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Title: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: FLCeltsFan on January 19, 2013, 09:00:30 PM
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Boston Celtics (20-19) at Detroit Pistons (14-25)
Sunday, January 20, 2013
7:30 PM ET
Regular Season Game #40, Road Game #19
TV:  CSNNE, FSD,  LP 754(C's Feed)/755(Pistons Feed)
Radio:  WEEI, 97.1 FM The Ticket
Palace of Auburn Hills   

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Probable Starters
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Rajon Rondo.... Leandro Barbosa.... Paul Pierce.....Brandon Bass.... Kevin Garnett

Celtics Reserves
Jared Sullinger
Jason Collins
Jeff Green
Courtney Lee
Jason Terry

Injured
Avery Bradley (ribs) day to day
Chris Wilcox (thumb) day to day

Red Claws

Fab Melo


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Probable Starters
PG(http://basketball.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Knight_Brandon_det_12.jpg) SG(http://basketball.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Singler_Kyle_DET.jpg) SF(http://basketball.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Prince_Tayshaun_det.jpg) PF(http://basketball.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Maxiell_Jason_det_12.jpg) C(http://basketball.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Monroe_Greg_det_12.jpg)
Brandon Knight...kyle Singler...Tayshaun Prince...Jason Maxiell..Greg Monroe 

Pistons Bench
Rodney Stuckey
Will Bynum
Corey Maggette
Jonas Jerebko
Austin Daye
Khris Middleton
Charlie Villanueva
Kim English
Viacheslav Kravtsov

Injuries

None

Team Connections

Tayshaun Prince and Rajon Rondo both attended the University of Kentucky
Jeff Green and Greg Monroe attended Georgetown
Corey Maggette and Chris Wilcox were teammates on the LA Clippers from 2002-06
Pistons Head Coach Lawrence Frank was an assistant coach with the Celtics during the 2010-11 season
Pistons assistant coach Roy Rogers was an assistant with the Celtics during the 2010-11 season and played for the Celtics during the 1997-98 season
Pistons Assistant Coach Dee Brown played for the Celtics from 1990-98 and was drafted by the team with the 19th pick in the 1990 NBA Draft
Chris Wilcox played for the Pistons from 2009-11. 

Key Matchups 
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Rajon Rondo vs Brandon Knight
Rajon Rondo is the engine that stirs the drink for the Celtics. He is coming off a very devastating loss in which he had his best scoring effort this season.   I expect another strong effort from him in this game.    Knight has been playing well for the Pistons, averaging 13.7 points, 3.6 rebounds and 4.3 assists.    He is coming off a sub-par effort against the Knicks with 1 point, 1 rebound and 1 assists and will  be looking to step up his game in this one.   This should be a good matchup. 

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Paul Pierce vs Tayshaun Prince
This has been a great matchup over the years,  Prince's length can give Pierce problems but Pierce's strength can also give Prince problems.   Pierce has been struggling to find his shot in recent games,  shooting just 32.7%  from the floor in the last three games.   Hopefully he can get back on track in this game as Prince always seems to play well against the Celtics. 

Honorable Mention

Kevin Garnett vs Greg Monroe
KG has also been struggling in his past 3 games,  shooting 31.3%  or less in 2 of his last 3 games.  He seemed to find his shot again in the second half against the Bulls and hopefully that carries over.  In the last meeting between these two teams, Monroe led the Pistons with 20 points and 13 rebounds.  KG has to slow Monroe down in this game while at the same time, get his own offense back on track. 

Game Notes
The Celtics face former Celtics assistant Lawrence Frank and his Pistons for the 2nd of 3 meetings this season.  The Pistons won the series 2-1 last season.  The Pistons won the first game between them 103-83 and so the Celtics should be looking to avenge that loss along with getting back on a winning track.   

The Celtics have struggled somewhat on the road with a 7-11 record away from the Garden.  The Pistons are a slightly better 10-11 at home.  Both teams are 6-4 in their last 10 games and both teams have lost their last 2 games.   The Celtics last played at home on Friday while the Pistons last played on Thursday in London.    We can hope that they still have a bit of jet lag left from the trip. 

The Pistons are healthy with no injuries to report.   Avery Bradley's xrays on his ribs were negative but they ribs weren't any better as of the game on Friday and he is listed as day to day.   If he is unable to go,  Doc will probably start Barbosa in his place, although Lee might be the better choice against the 6'8" Kyle Singler.    We may get to see Chris Wilcox in this game.  He has been cleared for contact and has a couple of practices under his belt now and may get some playing time in this game.   He is also still listed as day to day. 

The Pistons are one of the teams that the Celtics should beat but they are also a team that they shouldn't take for granted as can be seen by their 20 point win in the first game between these two teams.   The Celtics have dropped to one game above .500 again after 2 losses at home and need to get back on track.   This would be a good time to do so. 

Keys to the Game
Defense - It all begins with defense.  The Celtics have been winning with defense.  When they play lock down defense they are very hard to beat.    When they get lax on defense, they struggle all the way around. 

Rebound - The Celtics need to be aggressive on the boards.  Rebounding is effort and if the Celtics are putting the effort out to grab rebounds then that effort will translate to the other areas of their game.  Sully, when he can stay out of foul trouble, has been a big help in this area.   But, every Celtic needs to crash the boards.  It has to be a team effort.   


Focus and Aggressiveness
- It could be easy for the Celtics to let down their guard in this one.   But they need to keep their focus and be aggressive.  They have to be aggressive in going to the basket and not settle for jumpers.  They have to be aggressive on defense and going for loose balls.  They have lost easy games in the past because they play down to their opponents.   They have to avoid that in this game.

X-Factors
On the Road, focus, and Officiating
The Celtics are on the road but they have to focus on getting the win.  After losing 2 in a row at home, they need to focus on getting a win in this game in hostile territory.   The Celtics would have won their last game if it wasn't for the refs failing to call the fouls on Pierce and not giving the time out that Rondo called twice before the jump ball was called.  With the officiating costing the Celtics that game,  they need to play through any bad calls in this one and not let it get down to the last play. 
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: csfansince60s on January 19, 2013, 09:31:12 PM
We owe them big-time.

The loss to them was the lowest (to me)of many lowpoints this year.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: ScottHow on January 19, 2013, 09:49:14 PM
I'm interested in the battle of the bench big men, Drummond vs Sully
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: jdz101 on January 19, 2013, 10:11:10 PM
lawrence frank loves beating the celtics....and he usually does.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: Who on January 20, 2013, 02:53:39 AM
A little worried about this game coming off of losses to the Hornets and Bulls.

It would be nice to get Bradley back. Give the team an emotional lift after the Chicago game. Otherwise, I think this could be one of those games where they are hugely dependent on Rondo to carry them.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: Who on January 20, 2013, 03:06:41 AM
Avery Bradley's xrays on his ribs were negative but they ribs weren't any better as of the game on Friday and he is listed as day to day.   If he is unable to go,  Doc will probably start Barbosa in his place, although Lee might be the better choice against the 6'8" Kyle Singler.   

Jeff Green seems to be the best option. I'd like to see Doc go big on the wings to matchup with Pierce and J.Green against Detroit's three forwards lineup.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: j804 on January 20, 2013, 03:38:09 AM
Who else is going to DVR this to see later and watch football? ;D

Go C's
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: azzenfrost on January 20, 2013, 07:23:45 AM
We need this. I want to see them believe that they can win even with AB out.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: Birdman on January 20, 2013, 10:06:16 AM
Who else is going to DVR this to see later and watch football? ;D

Go C's
Football playoffs is the best!!
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: slamtheking on January 20, 2013, 10:56:45 AM
Who else is going to DVR this to see later and watch football? ;D

Go C's
Football playoffs is the best!!
not when the Skins aren't playing   :'(
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: mgent on January 20, 2013, 11:20:06 AM
Is Bradley definitely out or a game-time decision?
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: WeMadeIt17 on January 20, 2013, 11:45:27 AM
Gotta win tonight
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: FLCeltsFan on January 20, 2013, 02:52:35 PM
Is Bradley definitely out or a game-time decision?

Game time decision.  He said he was going to try to go through shoot around but also said that his ribs were still sore.  So it's probably 50-50.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: Who on January 20, 2013, 07:44:22 PM
Looking forward to this one. I haven't been able to catch the last few games.

Detroit, to my surprise, have been one of the more enjoyable teams I have seen this season. A nice up and coming squad. That Monroe + Drummond combo has been very interesting to follow.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: ScottHow on January 20, 2013, 07:46:57 PM
Eh, Bass
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: Who on January 20, 2013, 07:47:51 PM
Bad help defense on that B.Knight dribble drive. KG wasn't awake. Slow on the help.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: Who on January 20, 2013, 07:48:47 PM
Nice quick push by Rondo after the conceded dunk. He's been getting the ball upcourt quickly to start the game. Bradley has looked aggressive too.

Good signs.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: KGs Knee on January 20, 2013, 07:49:11 PM
forgot game was on...doh!
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: hpantazo on January 20, 2013, 07:49:42 PM
afwul energy out there. time to put Sullinger in
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: tgreanier on January 20, 2013, 07:49:51 PM
Um...what? This is ridiculous. How on earth is Detroit killing it?
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: CelticSooner on January 20, 2013, 07:49:54 PM
Looks like another no show against Detroit.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: Who on January 20, 2013, 07:50:25 PM
Not wild about the Bass vs Maxiell matchup. Too similar.

Bass doesn't really attack him anywhere. Just a lot of back and forth with Maxiell being a bit better as a defender and rebounder.

I think Sullinger is the better option. At least Sully will attack Max on the boards.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: edwardjkasche on January 20, 2013, 07:50:35 PM
I think the Celtics forgot they had a game tonight. 

Already down 11-2.  They love digging themselves a hole.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: tgreanier on January 20, 2013, 07:52:29 PM
Does Rondo get an assit for passing it to Detroit?
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: Birdman on January 20, 2013, 07:52:38 PM
The Celtics need to make a move and quick!!
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: Who on January 20, 2013, 07:52:50 PM
Strange looking turnover by Rondo.

I really like Brandon Knight's defense. I think he has become one of the better defensive PGs in the league. Tremendous improvement from last season to this season on the defensive end of the floor.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: edwardjkasche on January 20, 2013, 07:53:38 PM
How do you get down 10 less than 5 minutes into a game to a bunch of scrubs like the Pistons?
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: PhoSita on January 20, 2013, 07:54:50 PM
Celtics are preoccupied thinking about the Pats-Ravens game, apparently.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: KGs Knee on January 20, 2013, 07:55:09 PM
forgot game was on...doh!

nevermind...looks the C's forgot they were playing today too.

not sure i want to waste too much time watching this mess
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: Who on January 20, 2013, 07:55:16 PM
I don't like how the frontcourt has started. KG, Pierce or Bass.

I would like to see Jeff Green get an early call. For Pierce ... or maybe Bradley to give more length against Singler.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: JoT on January 20, 2013, 07:55:46 PM
Ummm... do they understand that they need a win tonight against Detroit because they sure aren't playing like it.

Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: lon3lytoaster on January 20, 2013, 07:55:52 PM
What in the..
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: Who on January 20, 2013, 07:56:28 PM
Is Wilcox back yet?

I think he'd be more useful than Jason Collins here.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: albas89 on January 20, 2013, 07:57:06 PM
Another losing streak right after a winning streak, after a losing streak and so on... yeah, we are contenders for sure... ::)

On another note, Pierce needs to sit 2-3 games, I can't stand watching his carcass moving up and down the court!
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: hpantazo on January 20, 2013, 07:57:22 PM
I thought this lack of effort wasn't supposed to happen when Bradley plays. Isn't he the spark plug that activates out defense and inspires everyone else to play hard?
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: lon3lytoaster on January 20, 2013, 07:57:49 PM
"Pierce the two guard out there.. I guess."

I'm confused too, Mike.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: Who on January 20, 2013, 07:58:27 PM
Good help side defensive rotation by Sully to cut off the layup attempt for Monroe on the pick and roll. Better recovery by Monroe to gather himself and finish over the top of Sully.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: edwardjkasche on January 20, 2013, 07:59:02 PM
I'm getting much more of a realistic vibe that Ainge will pull a trade in the next 10 days.

They play the Cavs, Knicks, Hawks, and Heat next week, and I feel they'll lose 3 of those 4.  And, potentially tonight to the lowly Pistons.

More realistic trade targets - like Reddick - have been mentioned recently, and it's more likely Ainge grabs a guy like that than going all out for Smith or Jefferson or Millsap, or something else.

But, there will definitely be a trade ten days from now.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: Who on January 20, 2013, 07:59:23 PM
2nd blocked shot for Maxiell. He is giving Detroit a real lift early. Lot of hustle.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: bello_man09 on January 20, 2013, 08:00:45 PM
The pistons own us this year :'( :'( we suck
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: lon3lytoaster on January 20, 2013, 08:00:51 PM
If only, if only we had been able to trade up for Drummond.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: Birdman on January 20, 2013, 08:01:08 PM
Hope they trade Pierce but alot of ppl believe in loyalty and wants to retire a Celtic..hogwash!! its a business
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: Who on January 20, 2013, 08:01:10 PM
Drummond + Monroe = exciting
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: WeMadeIt17 on January 20, 2013, 08:01:30 PM
Not watching but we need to make a move soon
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: edwardjkasche on January 20, 2013, 08:01:46 PM
Quote
Lot of hustle.

What is this "hustle" you speak of?

Celtics fans know nothing of this.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: SCeltic34 on January 20, 2013, 08:02:01 PM
Hack-a-Drummond and he drains em both.  Gonna be that kind of night for the C's it looks like.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: lon3lytoaster on January 20, 2013, 08:02:23 PM
Oh wow. I think that's 7 layups for us that've rimmed out so far. Ouch.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: celticinorlando on January 20, 2013, 08:02:31 PM
started thinking they had turned the corner...last 3 games they have shown some of the old nasty habits once again.

Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: Who on January 20, 2013, 08:02:44 PM
Sully missing three shots around the basket with Drummond challenging.

Did a nice job getting the shots up around the shot-blocker but rimmed out on all three attempts.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: Birdman on January 20, 2013, 08:02:55 PM
cant win without a true center folks!! Said it in september and knew we was in trouble b/c we had no center..Wilcox, Darko, Collins, Fab..c'mon man
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: Smutzy#9 on January 20, 2013, 08:03:26 PM
Sully got fouled about 5 times in that sequence
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: celticinorlando on January 20, 2013, 08:03:37 PM
make a move danny....get someone with some size...enough it enough
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: dinome18 on January 20, 2013, 08:05:29 PM
Amen!
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: csfansince60s on January 20, 2013, 08:05:38 PM
cant win without a true center folks!! Said it in september and knew we was in trouble b/c we had no center..Wilcox, Darko, Collins, Fab..c'mon man

There is some consolation in this.

Danny WILL get a big....OR.....blow it up....I think the former...soon
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: JoT on January 20, 2013, 08:05:54 PM
This team is so consistently inconsistent.
They need a big like no other and I hope Danny sees this.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: Smutzy#9 on January 20, 2013, 08:06:20 PM
I want a big game from jeff, he should be able to abuse prince
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: apc on January 20, 2013, 08:06:44 PM
3-19 FG ouch!
first it was PP, than KG, now the whole team. its contagions!
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: bello_man09 on January 20, 2013, 08:07:09 PM
good look Green!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: PhoSita on January 20, 2013, 08:07:25 PM
Guess we're back to playing like we did before that 6 game honeymoon.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: droopdog7 on January 20, 2013, 08:08:09 PM
cant win without a true center folks!! Said it in september and knew we was in trouble b/c we had no center..Wilcox, Darko, Collins, Fab..c'mon man

There is some consolation in this.

Danny WILL get a big....OR.....blow it up....I think the former...soon
What are we going to give up for this big?  I think the right play is to blow it up, but I'm not sure we can pull it off.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: hpantazo on January 20, 2013, 08:08:52 PM
Wow! What a shot by Green!
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: mr. dee on January 20, 2013, 08:09:27 PM
Jeff carrying the game so far....
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: slamtheking on January 20, 2013, 08:09:29 PM
wow, Green with a helluva shot.  looks like we've got the good Green tonight.  hope some of the others decide to show up tonight.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: vinnie on January 20, 2013, 08:09:37 PM
Looks like tonight is one of the 4 out of 10 games Green decides to play.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: Smutzy#9 on January 20, 2013, 08:10:40 PM
Looks like tonight is one of the 4 out of 10 games Green decides to play.

He can score when he gets the ball........
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: hpantazo on January 20, 2013, 08:11:05 PM
Looks like tonight is one of the 4 out of 10 games Green decides to play.

He can score when he gets the ball........

and when they actually run a play for him
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: vinnie on January 20, 2013, 08:11:30 PM
Looks like tonight is one of the 4 out of 10 games Green decides to play.

He can score when he gets the ball........

He needs to want the ball to get the ball.......
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: tgreanier on January 20, 2013, 08:11:36 PM
I am not a Patriots fan (more in the "anyone but New England" camp) so multitasking this Celtics embarrassment and the Ravens playcalling being about as useless as it can get - this is not my best night.

However, while I have no faith Baltimore can win their game, I still think the Celtics will win this one...ugly, but win.

Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: mr. dee on January 20, 2013, 08:12:21 PM
This is why Jeff is important regardless of how he plays. When Pierce goes down, who will be his replacement?
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: Rtpas11 on January 20, 2013, 08:13:10 PM
this team is sad to watch... it's like watching a straight A student fail on purpose :-[
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: Who on January 20, 2013, 08:13:11 PM
Ugly final possession bailed out by a lucky shot by Jeff Green.

Green did a poor job attacking the much smaller Rodney Stuckey in the mismatch and forced himself into a much tougher low percentage shot. Just got lucky and it went in. Bailed out a bad basketball play.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: PhoSita on January 20, 2013, 08:13:38 PM
Rondo 0 assists in the 4th quarter.

What the heck has happened to him recently?  Seems like a long time since he racked up a bunch of assists. 
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: bello_man09 on January 20, 2013, 08:14:29 PM
please doc get Terry Outta there!!!
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: csfansince60s on January 20, 2013, 08:14:44 PM
cant win without a true center folks!! Said it in september and knew we was in trouble b/c we had no center..Wilcox, Darko, Collins, Fab..c'mon man

There is some consolation in this.

Danny WILL get a big....OR.....blow it up....I think the former...soon
What are we going to give up for this big?  I think the right play is to blow it up, but I'm not sure we can pull it off.

It will happen. AlJeff, Gortat,Okafor, Nene, Josh Smith......one will be here....otherwise they blow it up. we have some assets....not like the cHeat
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: letsgoblue86 on January 20, 2013, 08:15:24 PM
Wut?
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: Who on January 20, 2013, 08:15:27 PM
Haha, oh boy, you know it's not your night when Charlie V is draining triples from that far behind the three point line. Yeesh ...
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: vinnie on January 20, 2013, 08:16:09 PM
Haha, oh boy, you know it's not your night when Charlie V is draining triples from that far behind the three point line. Yeesh ...

Third most made threes of all NBA bench players
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: hpantazo on January 20, 2013, 08:16:19 PM
It hurts when KG's best friend Charlie V starts hitting garbage shots like that. Come on guys!!
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: tgreanier on January 20, 2013, 08:16:29 PM
I am not a Patriots fan (more in the "anyone but New England" camp) so multitasking this Celtics embarrassment and the Ravens playcalling being about as useless as it can get - this is not my best night.

However, while I have no faith Baltimore the Celtics can win their game, I still think the Celtics Baltimore will win this one...ugly, but win.

It seems more likely. Stupid Celtics.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: vinnie on January 20, 2013, 08:17:04 PM
Pretty inspired effort so far......
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: droopdog7 on January 20, 2013, 08:17:20 PM
cant win without a true center folks!! Said it in september and knew we was in trouble b/c we had no center..Wilcox, Darko, Collins, Fab..c'mon man

There is some consolation in this.

Danny WILL get a big....OR.....blow it up....I think the former...soon
What are we going to give up for this big?  I think the right play is to blow it up, but I'm not sure we can pull it off.

It will happen. AlJeff, Gortat,Okafor, Nene, Josh Smith......one will be here....otherwise they blow it up. we have some assets....not like the cHeat
Youre right, we do have some assets.  And they start with Bradley and sullinger.  You ready to give up the future for a .001 chance of winning this year?  Are are you suggesting we can get an impact big without trading both those guys?
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: Rtpas11 on January 20, 2013, 08:17:42 PM
Well i'm done watching hopefully they're able to have some luck & win eventually. OKC Vs. Denver is playing
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: Who on January 20, 2013, 08:18:09 PM
Only down 16. Plenty of time left.

Just need to find their footing in this game.

Start making a few more shots and start getting a lot more defensive stops.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: JoT on January 20, 2013, 08:18:49 PM
And back to .500 they go  ::).
I thought a corner was turned during that 6 game stretch but I guess I was wrong.

eta:Thank you for waking up Celtics... now keep it and win this game.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: Who on January 20, 2013, 08:18:56 PM
C-Lee for 3 !
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: vinnie on January 20, 2013, 08:18:57 PM
Good run. Keep it going
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: Who on January 20, 2013, 08:19:33 PM
C-Lee for 3 !
x2
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: hpantazo on January 20, 2013, 08:19:50 PM
That's it Lee! Boost that trade value!
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: SCeltic34 on January 20, 2013, 08:20:54 PM
Gotta pick up our PnR defense.  It's been horrendous.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: Who on January 20, 2013, 08:21:11 PM
It's only an 8 point game now. They are right back in it.

I liked Doc's decision to keep Rondo in the game. No point in sitting Rondo down when your team is on the verge of getting blown out. Being able to play more later won't matter if you are down 20-25 points in the second half. Leave Rondo and try to scrape back into the game. Good call by Doc.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: Who on January 20, 2013, 08:22:33 PM
Who didn't box out Drummond?
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: SCeltic34 on January 20, 2013, 08:22:53 PM
KG and PP short on all of their jumpshots.  Not surprising I guess
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: Who on January 20, 2013, 08:22:58 PM
Good job by C-Lee to force the turnover.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: Who on January 20, 2013, 08:24:02 PM
It looks like the bench are going to need to carry the team tonight. Some of the starters have been struggling pretty badly.

Courtney Lee and Jeff Green have given the team a really good lift off the bench.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: hpantazo on January 20, 2013, 08:24:15 PM
Drummond is a freakin beast! I'd love to see him go against D12
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: albas89 on January 20, 2013, 08:25:12 PM
Are the Pistons playing that hard every game or just against the Celtics??
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: Who on January 20, 2013, 08:26:08 PM
I don't like the full court defensive pressure.

Detroit is a very bad offensive team in the halfcourt. Just let them play there. Giving up too many chances for W.Bynum to penetrate in the open floor with the pressure defense. I'd like to see Rondo back off W.Bynum and dare him to shoot long jumpers.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: Smutzy#9 on January 20, 2013, 08:27:03 PM
Are the Pistons playing that hard every game or just against the Celtics??

Frank makes it his mission to beat the celtics everytime he plays them
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: Smutzy#9 on January 20, 2013, 08:28:43 PM
Charlie V dropping bombs with hands in his face
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: Who on January 20, 2013, 08:30:31 PM
Pierce hasn't looked good with the ball in his hands.

I am expecting something bad to happen every time he touches it.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: SCeltic34 on January 20, 2013, 08:31:45 PM
Are the Pistons playing that hard every game or just against the Celtics??

Pistons have won 8 of their last 12 or something like that.  Beat some good teams in the process too.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: letsgoblue86 on January 20, 2013, 08:31:48 PM
Love when Scal does the commentating.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: Who on January 20, 2013, 08:32:14 PM
That was a lovely ball fake, shot fake, by Jeff Green out of the left corner but a horrible running baseline shot that missed badly after the drive.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: Who on January 20, 2013, 08:33:34 PM
I still think they are giving up too many high percentage shots because of that full court defensive pressure.

No need for it. Detroit is a bad halfcourt team.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: slamtheking on January 20, 2013, 08:34:31 PM
Rondo should have just taken that.  dumb even though KG got the basket
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: albas89 on January 20, 2013, 08:35:02 PM
Pierce hasn't looked good with the ball in his hands.

I am expecting something bad to happen every time he touches it.
I'm starting to believe he's been playing like hot garbage lately on purpose, so that he doesn't get called in the ASG and take the weekend off... :P
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: Smutzy#9 on January 20, 2013, 08:35:25 PM
Great hustle by KG
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: Who on January 20, 2013, 08:36:37 PM
Rondo should have just taken that.  dumb even though KG got the basket
I think Rondo just wanted to reward KG for getting the turnover.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: 2short on January 20, 2013, 08:37:03 PM
jeff green haters?
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: Who on January 20, 2013, 08:37:58 PM
3 point game ... fun game. Mixed performance.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: CeltsRoxfan on January 20, 2013, 08:40:21 PM
Tie game! We back in this. Lee and green picking up the slack
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: vinnie on January 20, 2013, 08:41:32 PM
Nice. Just switched back from the Pats to see the score
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: Who on January 20, 2013, 08:42:25 PM
Nice pull-up jumper off the dribble at the elbow by Brandon Knight over Jeff Green.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on January 20, 2013, 08:42:34 PM
Bass puts the ball on the floor = 90% of the time a TO or an awful shot.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: csfansince60s on January 20, 2013, 08:44:09 PM
cant win without a true center folks!! Said it in september and knew we was in trouble b/c we had no center..Wilcox, Darko, Collins, Fab..c'mon man

There is some consolation in this.

Danny WILL get a big....OR.....blow it up....I think the former...soon
What are we going to give up for this big?  I think the right play is to blow it up, but I'm not sure we can pull it off.

It will happen. AlJeff, Gortat,Okafor, Nene, Josh Smith......one will be here....otherwise they blow it up. we have some assets....not like the cHeat
Youre right, we do have some assets.  And they start with Bradley and sullinger.  You ready to give up the future for a .001 chance of winning this year?  Are are you suggesting we can get an impact big without trading both those guys?

We may have to give up one, unless it's for someone like JSmoove or DMC and then we would have to give up both. If we eat Beasley we could get Gortat without giving either, we could get Dalembert without giving up either, AlJeff we'd have to include one, probably the same for Nene/Okafor.

Ainge will blow this up if he can't get a big who will at least give us a puncher's shot.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: Who on January 20, 2013, 08:44:32 PM
Bass never got back in after that lazy start.

Edit: Oh, oops, that was Bass right at the end turning the ball over. Missed that.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: vinnie on January 20, 2013, 08:45:28 PM
jeff green haters?

Yup. He is awesome. He shows up 40 percent of the time. Give him a raise.  ::)
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: apc on January 20, 2013, 08:46:57 PM
considering the FG % differences we are very lucky to be down by 4.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on January 20, 2013, 08:49:52 PM
Bass never got back in after that lazy start.

Edit: Oh, oops, that was Bass right at the end turning the ball over. Missed that.

He got in with about 3 or so minutes to go.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: Who on January 20, 2013, 08:57:05 PM
Bass never got back in after that lazy start.

Edit: Oh, oops, that was Bass right at the end turning the ball over. Missed that.

He got in with about 3 or so minutes to go.
Game play by play has him leaving the first quarter at the 9:17 minute mark and not returning until the 1:07 minute mark in the second quarter.

Just under 4 minutes playing time in the entire first half. Doc benched him the rest of the time.

I'd like to see Doc bring Bass off the bench to start the third period. Go with either Sullinger or Jeff Green. I think Jeff Green. Green gave the team a real lift in the first half.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on January 20, 2013, 09:02:04 PM
Bass never got back in after that lazy start.

Edit: Oh, oops, that was Bass right at the end turning the ball over. Missed that.

He got in with about 3 or so minutes to go.
I'd like to see Doc bring Bass off the bench to start the third period. Go with either Sullinger or Jeff Green. I think Jeff Green. Green gave the team a real lift in the first half.

Let's start a thread, "Things I know Doc won't do, but will still take the time to say them"
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on January 20, 2013, 09:03:39 PM
Rondo got scared of contact and missed the layup badly. Would rather he just passed it to the open man in the corner if he's going to do that.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: Who on January 20, 2013, 09:04:55 PM
Bass never got back in after that lazy start.

Edit: Oh, oops, that was Bass right at the end turning the ball over. Missed that.

He got in with about 3 or so minutes to go.
I'd like to see Doc bring Bass off the bench to start the third period. Go with either Sullinger or Jeff Green. I think Jeff Green. Green gave the team a real lift in the first half.

Let's start a thread, "Things I know Doc won't do, but will still take the time to say them"

Does Doc ever change his starting lineup to open the third quarter?

He must have at some point but it's been so long that I cannot remember the last time he has done it.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: Who on January 20, 2013, 09:06:34 PM
Nice leakout by Bradley, great pass by Rondo
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on January 20, 2013, 09:07:16 PM
Bass never got back in after that lazy start.

Edit: Oh, oops, that was Bass right at the end turning the ball over. Missed that.

He got in with about 3 or so minutes to go.
I'd like to see Doc bring Bass off the bench to start the third period. Go with either Sullinger or Jeff Green. I think Jeff Green. Green gave the team a real lift in the first half.

Let's start a thread, "Things I know Doc won't do, but will still take the time to say them"

Does Doc ever change his starting lineup to open the third quarter?

He must have at some point but it's been so long that I cannot remember the last time he has done it.

I really don't recall... maybe when Baby and Powe were in town. Doc is not big on unit personnel adjustments regardless.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: Who on January 20, 2013, 09:07:38 PM
I don't like Bradley running for corner threes in transition.

I don't think that is a good shot for him. He seems to miss a lot of them. I'd love to know what percentage he shoots on those transition threes.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on January 20, 2013, 09:11:07 PM
Scal with the man-crush on Singler lol
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on January 20, 2013, 09:12:07 PM
What is Rondo doing? Open layup and does a bad circus pass.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: Who on January 20, 2013, 09:12:44 PM
Ah crap. Awful turnover by Rondo. Take the shot. Don't jump in the air with no pass on in transition and don't even look at the basket.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: Who on January 20, 2013, 09:13:30 PM
Oh, lovely shot fake by Tayshaun. Dunk.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: Smutzy#9 on January 20, 2013, 09:13:40 PM
the cap stepped up there
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: SCeltic34 on January 20, 2013, 09:15:05 PM
I'd much rather have Wilcox out there than Bass.  Or even Collins at this point.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: Who on January 20, 2013, 09:15:36 PM
Clearouts for Bass ... terrific (sighs)
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: Who on January 20, 2013, 09:16:47 PM
I don't really like J.Collins on G.Monroe. Tough matchup for Collins.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on January 20, 2013, 09:17:39 PM
Awful call by the ref.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: Who on January 20, 2013, 09:19:08 PM
Celtics big men looking very shaky here with KG on the bench.

Bass has sucked. Sullinger has been quiet. Collins has done nothing. A serious lack of contributions from the Celtics supporting bigs.

I can't wait for KG to get back on the floor ... who hasn't been great himself. 
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: Who on January 20, 2013, 09:21:26 PM
Quick crossover by Courtney Lee to beat his defender to the rim for the layup. Nice.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: vinnie on January 20, 2013, 09:21:43 PM
Pats going to go down.  Getting beaten up by the Ravens. Come on Celts
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on January 20, 2013, 09:21:47 PM
Don't like those transition 3s from the top from Lee... he should be strictly from the corner.

Nice putting the ball on the floor in the next possession.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on January 20, 2013, 09:24:27 PM
We need to involve Terry more with the corner 3s, he's been hitting them well. Such a huge weapon for us, rarely used.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on January 20, 2013, 09:25:36 PM
We're very very small right now...
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: Who on January 20, 2013, 09:26:47 PM
Oh ho ho, that was a nasty block by Drummond on Rondo's runner. Right out of mid-air.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: CelticSooner on January 20, 2013, 09:27:16 PM
What's up with Pierce? C's will be fortunate to get out of the first round with this Pierce.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on January 20, 2013, 09:27:40 PM
Oh ho ho, that was a nasty block by Drummond on Rondo's runner. Right out of mid-air.

Should've passed to Green, open around the free-throw line.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: SCeltic34 on January 20, 2013, 09:30:07 PM
Missed free throws have really killed us these past 3 games.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: Who on January 20, 2013, 09:30:17 PM
PG - Rondo vs W.Bynum
SG - Terry vs R.Stuckey
SF - C.Lee vs Tayshaun
PF - J.Green vs Drummond / Monroe
C  - Sully vs Monroe / Drummond

Drummond isn't a threat to score in the post so I am fine with Green defending him. Drummond would be a major threat on the offensive glass though. Green weak at boxing out.

Monroe is a good shot-creator though. He'd be able to punish Green in the post. Drummond is the lesser threat for Green to cover.

Tayshaun has a nice post up advantage against Courtney Lee if Detroit chooses to exploit. They should. It's their best offensive matchup right now.

Edit: Ah, Pierce is there now. Better. He should defend Drummond. Leave Sully on Monroe. Green is on Tayshaun to take that away. Much better lineup.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: dinome18 on January 20, 2013, 09:31:48 PM
Another Rondo dud..8 TO and 3 for 13 from the field. Shouldn't the leader of the team not allow us to lose two game to the Pistons
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on January 20, 2013, 09:32:52 PM
Hacking Drummond with a small unit is very risky.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: Who on January 20, 2013, 09:33:21 PM
I hate these hack-a-whoever plays. They should be outlawed.

Free throws + possession. Or get to choose which player you want to take the free throws so you can put a high percentage shooter in there to punish this.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: YouCantHandleTheTruth! on January 20, 2013, 09:33:55 PM
Do they have wider baskets in Waltham??
The saddest part is Drummond hitting FT's and Celtics jacking up them..
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: Kane3387 on January 20, 2013, 09:35:42 PM
This sucks. Another losing streak.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: GrandTheftRondo on January 20, 2013, 09:35:51 PM
Can't see the game so can someone please explain why we're down by 10 to the Pistons?
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: YouCantHandleTheTruth! on January 20, 2013, 09:35:59 PM
10 points down..

man, C's are just sad to watch these days  ::)
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: JoT on January 20, 2013, 09:36:34 PM
Is Rondo off or what, 8 TO's?
They get so close yet lose the lead and have to claw right back in.
I think they can still win this, but they need to really turn it around.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: YouCantHandleTheTruth! on January 20, 2013, 09:36:54 PM
Can't see the game so can someone please explain why we're down by 10 to the Pistons?

because we can't get anything rolling for more than a minute
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: Who on January 20, 2013, 09:37:34 PM
Nice right handed hook shot off the right box by Monroe.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: GrandTheftRondo on January 20, 2013, 09:38:02 PM
Can't see the game so can someone please explain why we're down by 10 to the Pistons?

because we can't get anything rolling for more than a minute

Oh...one of those...kind of like the Bulls game? Get close only to go back down? Sigh.

Thanks. TP.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: YouCantHandleTheTruth! on January 20, 2013, 09:38:52 PM
Can't see the game so can someone please explain why we're down by 10 to the Pistons?

because we can't get anything rolling for more than a minute

Oh...one of those...kind of like the Bulls game? Get close only to go back down? Sigh.

Thanks. TP.

exactly
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: Who on January 20, 2013, 09:39:40 PM
Soft foul against Terry
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: letsgoblue86 on January 20, 2013, 09:40:37 PM
Something about playing the Pistons.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: celticslove on January 20, 2013, 09:40:37 PM
This game is painful to watch. No energy no passoon back to november celtics team.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: Who on January 20, 2013, 09:40:37 PM
14 point deficit ... running out of time. Need to make a run quickly. Get this to single digits.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: apc on January 20, 2013, 09:40:46 PM
Barbosa in. i guess Doc gave up on this game.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: PhoSita on January 20, 2013, 09:41:01 PM
Just a bad sports night in New England.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: YouCantHandleTheTruth! on January 20, 2013, 09:41:36 PM
We're not losing to the Pistons. We're getting BLOWN OUT. It's different.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: Who on January 20, 2013, 09:41:44 PM
I don't trust Pierce to produce at this point. Too up and down this season.

Not reliable.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: vinnie on January 20, 2013, 09:42:08 PM
This team is the definition of mediocre. Come on, Danny
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: syfy9 on January 20, 2013, 09:42:51 PM
Andre Drummond is legit.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: Who on January 20, 2013, 09:42:54 PM
This has been a really crappy defensive effort against a fairly limited offensive team.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: cltc5 on January 20, 2013, 09:43:14 PM
what in the world is going on with this team
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: CelticsFan9 on January 20, 2013, 09:44:47 PM
Something major needs to occur.  Like a massive shakeup without giving up Pierce, Rondo, or KG.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: cltc5 on January 20, 2013, 09:44:57 PM
 :-[
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: Who on January 20, 2013, 09:45:02 PM
Detroit haven't even played that well today. They have had some hot shooting from three but that is about it. The rest is fairly standard fare.

Boston have just been that lackluster.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: bello_man09 on January 20, 2013, 09:47:29 PM
Why is Terry still on this team....
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: Who on January 20, 2013, 09:47:32 PM
Pretty finish by Barbosa. A runner off glass from 14 feet in transition.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: bello_man09 on January 20, 2013, 09:48:02 PM
Why is Terry still on this team....cut him for more mins for barbosa
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: letsgoblue86 on January 20, 2013, 09:48:26 PM
Man Pierce has looked absolutely cooked tonight
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: bello_man09 on January 20, 2013, 09:48:59 PM
Man Pierce has looked absolutely cooked tonight

the last 3 games.... :-X :-X
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: YouCantHandleTheTruth! on January 20, 2013, 09:50:01 PM
what in the world is going on with this team

I start to think Doc is no longer in command
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: JHTruth on January 20, 2013, 09:50:37 PM
We're too small PP is washed up. We need to sign Oden, get him ready for next year and bring up Fab next year. Try to make a respectable playoff playoff run this year to get some experience and then transition to the new era next year with KG and PP as bit players..
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: YouCantHandleTheTruth! on January 20, 2013, 09:50:52 PM
Man Pierce has looked absolutely cooked tonight

He's hard to watch, really. He looks like a former player.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: JoT on January 20, 2013, 09:51:20 PM
I would've thought losing to the Bulls they way they did would help them and motivate them, but I guess I was wrong.
They were starting to go in the right direction only to fall back to their old tricks.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: vinnie on January 20, 2013, 09:52:25 PM
20-20. Looks like they are ready for a championship run.  ::)
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: Who on January 20, 2013, 09:52:26 PM
Man Pierce has looked absolutely cooked tonight

What I hate is that Doc has given Pierce so many minutes tonight. He hasn't deserved them.

There is a very talented bench there (especially the perimeter players). Doc needs to be willing to give guys the quick hook when necessary. Pierce clearly didn't have it. He was clearly dragging the team down on multiple occasions tonight. Take him out, sit him down. Give Jeff Green more playing time on nights like this ... because there are going to be nights like this where old-age Pierce just doesn't have his legs.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: cltc5 on January 20, 2013, 09:53:37 PM
If Pierce had a decent backup( not You Jeff Green ::)), He might actually have some energy
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: esel1000 on January 20, 2013, 09:53:44 PM
didnt think it could get worse after the pats loss, but this celts game looks ugly...
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: vinnie on January 20, 2013, 09:54:16 PM
Last 4 games Pierce looks like he is done.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: albas89 on January 20, 2013, 09:54:51 PM
Pierce is done.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: letsgoblue86 on January 20, 2013, 09:55:42 PM
This team needs a lot of help.  Not sure who the guy is though.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: JoT on January 20, 2013, 09:56:59 PM
Paul better not think about going to the ASG this year at all.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: Who on January 20, 2013, 09:57:21 PM
I thought Bass would start playing better when he got into this old starting lineup. Got away from Jason Terry and got to play with the lower usage Bradley. Would get more involved offensively and get back to where he was last year.

But it looks like Bass is just getting worse ... and worse, ughh!
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: Who on January 20, 2013, 09:58:28 PM
It would be pretty ridiculous if this team got 3 All-Stars while struggling along to .500

I'd like to see Luol Deng make it over Pierce.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: vinnie on January 20, 2013, 09:59:49 PM
Danny will be burning up the phone lines tomorrow
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: bello_man09 on January 20, 2013, 10:00:18 PM
It would be pretty ridiculous if this team got 3 All-Stars while struggling along to .500

I'd like to see Luol Deng make it over Pierce.

Pierce made it :o :o
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: Who on January 20, 2013, 10:00:51 PM
This team needs a lot of help.  Not sure who the guy is though.
I'd like to see more quickness. Especially from the bigs.

When Garnett has one of his slower nights, Boston's bigs are awful slow and unathletic out there.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: vinnie on January 20, 2013, 10:00:56 PM
15 assists and 9 turnovers for Rondo I believe.  :o
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: SCeltic34 on January 20, 2013, 10:01:25 PM
Rondo with a triple double opportunity.  10 boards, 15 assists, 10 turnovers.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: Who on January 20, 2013, 10:03:35 PM
15 assists and 9 turnovers for Rondo I believe.  :o
Strange night from Rondo. Lot of good moments but lots of bad moments too.

Be surprised if he did more than break even by the end of the night between good plays and bad plays.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: JoT on January 20, 2013, 10:04:12 PM
15 assists and 9 turnovers for Rondo I believe.  :o
If he gets 1 more rebound, 1 more turnover and 4 more points he can get a quadruple-double.

He still played bad though.

eta:well 2 more points now.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: vinnie on January 20, 2013, 10:04:56 PM
This team is getting pretty close to garbage. Celtics pride is dead
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: blink on January 20, 2013, 10:05:29 PM
really pathetic end to this game.  at least try.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: rocknrollforyoursoul on January 20, 2013, 10:05:32 PM
What a miserable day in Boston sports. I can't believe the Cs are losing this badly to the Pistons.

Are the Celtics so dependent on Bradley that they can't win without him? Such self-destruction by this team with turnovers, missed open shots, refusal to make adjustments, laziness.

I'm on the verge of wanting this thing blown up—by which I mean trade anyone not named Bradley or Sully for whatever draft picks and decent young hopefuls we can get. Start the rebuild now and we might be back to relevance in three seasons.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: albas89 on January 20, 2013, 10:05:46 PM
lol, Celtics have become Pistons' b***h...
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: Kane3387 on January 20, 2013, 10:06:11 PM
Man this is a joke
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: SHAQATTACK on January 20, 2013, 10:06:25 PM
I predicted after AB was hurt again (rib) , as long as he is out , the Celtics won't win another game.


My heart sank at the NO gmae, the Celtics suck without him,

ROndo should probally be traded for a BIG to help Avery
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: vinnie on January 20, 2013, 10:07:02 PM
Absolutely pitiful.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: JHTruth on January 20, 2013, 10:07:33 PM
What a miserable day in Boston sports. I can't believe the Cs are losing this badly to the Pistons.

Are the Celtics so dependent on Bradley that they can't win without him? Such self-destruction by this team with turnovers, missed open shots, refusal to make adjustments, laziness.

I'm on the verge of wanting this thing blown up—by which I mean trade anyone not named Bradley or Sully for whatever draft picks and decent young hopefuls we can get. Start the rebuild now and we might be back to relevance in three seasons.

I think we rebuild around Rondo Bradley Sully and Melo. Maybe we can grab an Oden for our frontline and then starting to look for a star SF that can score some dang points..
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: cltc5 on January 20, 2013, 10:07:48 PM
no playoffs this year :P
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: blink on January 20, 2013, 10:08:19 PM
well that 6 game win streak is so far in the rear view mirror you can't really see it.

Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: SHAQATTACK on January 20, 2013, 10:09:36 PM
Rondo is too inconsistant...without AB ...Celtics are't going to do peanuts
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: TenaciousD on January 20, 2013, 10:11:23 PM
well that 6 game win streak is so far in the rear view mirror you can't really see it.
  Fading in the dust. 
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: ejk3489 on January 20, 2013, 10:11:58 PM
At least we're not the Lakers...?
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: WeMadeIt17 on January 20, 2013, 10:14:52 PM
Need a guy who isn't afraid to get to the rim cause rondo is our only guy and he struggles with free throws and a rebounder.. maybe we can pull.of a lakers trade and get some talent.. idk i really don't want to blow it up but 20-20 is scary and we need to do something soon
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on January 20, 2013, 10:18:43 PM
complete DISGRACE. if some guys do not want to show up every night then SEND THEM PACKING. I DO NOT WANT THEM. I said if we lost to this crap city and crap team again i would explode. I honestly think i am too darn tired to do it after this long weekend. that 6 win streak was fools gold. changes are needed. we have people not showing up night in and night out. SHIP THEM OUT!
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: PhoSita on January 20, 2013, 10:22:57 PM
At least we're not the Lakers...?

Surprisingly I don't find this sentiment as comforting as I would have expected it to be earlier this season.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: LarBrd33 on January 20, 2013, 10:23:58 PM
well that 6 game win streak is so far in the rear view mirror you can't really see it.
  Fading in the dust.
a .500 team tends to win half their games and lose half their games.  Feel the same about this team as I did in the offseason.  Still need to make a move.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: cltc5 on January 20, 2013, 10:26:09 PM
Wow, Doc just went off on the team.  Good for him
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: mahonedog88 on January 20, 2013, 10:26:52 PM
Wow...that was quite the post-game press conference.

After watching that terrible Pats game, Doc gave me exactly what I needed.  He's clearly frustrated and showing it.  Good for him.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: PhoSita on January 20, 2013, 10:29:29 PM
well that 6 game win streak is so far in the rear view mirror you can't really see it.
  Fading in the dust.
a .500 team tends to win half their games and lose half their games.  Feel the same about this team as I did in the offseason.  Still need to make a move.

I agree with you that the team would need to change the roster to become truly competitive.

But WHAT move?  What trade are they going to make to suddenly become substantially better?

I think Danny did as many acrobatics as he could this off-season and he gave the team depth, and youth, and weapons.  But it hasn't come together, and the players at the top just aren't good enough. 

So can Danny really squeeze any more water out of this rock?

I can't escape the notion that we're in for more mediocrity as long as we hang with this core.  Maybe that's okay, though.  Maybe we just want to see these old guys have their retirement tour and hold onto Rondo for the sake of keeping him in Celtics green.  Perhaps there simply aren't any decent trades out there anyway.

But I don't see any quick fixes for this.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: albas89 on January 20, 2013, 10:29:59 PM
Wow...that was quite the post-game press conference.

After watching that terrible Pats game, Doc gave me exactly what I needed.  He's clearly frustrated and showing it.  Good for him.
Yeah, glad to hear those things from him, cause it's the truth... that's exactly what I was thinking watching this game, some guys need to go!! and unfortunately the Captain is one of them, he has sucked so bad I can't even describe it...
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: SHAQATTACK on January 20, 2013, 10:32:39 PM
DUMP Rondo while some teams still want him.   PG that can't shoot freethrow is worthless ,  turns the ball over like crazy and ,barely plays defense , and not much of a shooting threat....I wouldn't miss him and doubt the team would either...as LONG AS BRADLEY is there.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: LarBrd33 on January 20, 2013, 10:37:35 PM
well that 6 game win streak is so far in the rear view mirror you can't really see it.
  Fading in the dust.
a .500 team tends to win half their games and lose half their games.  Feel the same about this team as I did in the offseason.  Still need to make a move.

I agree with you that the team would need to change the roster to become truly competitive.

But WHAT move?  What trade are they going to make to suddenly become substantially better?

I think Danny did as many acrobatics as he could this off-season and he gave the team depth, and youth, and weapons.  But it hasn't come together, and the players at the top just aren't good enough. 

So can Danny really squeeze any more water out of this rock?

I can't escape the notion that we're in for more mediocrity as long as we hang with this core.  Maybe that's okay, though.  Maybe we just want to see these old guys have their retirement tour and hold onto Rondo for the sake of keeping him in Celtics green.  Perhaps there simply aren't any decent trades out there anyway.

But I don't see any quick fixes for this.
Too soon to say.  We're not going to see much trade talk until the deadline gets a little closer.  I don't think Bradley and Sully have a ton of trade value around the league, but maybe you can trick some team into giving up a disgruntled impact player for Bradley, Sully, multiple picks, Bass, Green, etc ... Don't know yet.  We'll see what happens. 

It's interesting, because if you weren't watching the games you'd probably say that Courtney Lee has been completely outplaying Bradley since his return.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: cltc5 on January 20, 2013, 10:40:53 PM
Begin by getting rid of Jeff Green and Jason Terry
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: lon3lytoaster on January 20, 2013, 10:42:30 PM
Begin by getting rid of Jeff Green and Jason Terry

Who wants them?
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: Galeto on January 21, 2013, 11:31:05 AM
Another game in which a former Doc assistant beats his former boss resoundingly.  Franks and Thibideau have thumped the Celtics to so many double-digit losses these past two years that I feel embarrassed for Doc. 
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: alley oop on January 21, 2013, 11:52:38 AM
http://www.nba.com/statistics/player/Assists.jsp

PLAYER NAME, TEAM NAME
   GP    MPG    AST    APG    TO    TOPG    AP48M    AST/TO   
1    
Rajon Rondo , BOS
   35    37.1    390    11.1    133     3.8      14.4        2.93
2    
Chris Paul , LAC
   38    33.5    369    9.7      83        2.2       13.9       4.45

A big difference between them on turnovers.
Title: Re: Celtics (20-19) at Pistons (14-25) 1/20
Post by: BballTim on January 21, 2013, 12:12:59 PM
http://www.nba.com/statistics/player/Assists.jsp

PLAYER NAME, TEAM NAME
   GP    MPG    AST    APG    TO    TOPG    AP48M    AST/TO   
1    
Rajon Rondo , BOS
   35    37.1    390    11.1    133     3.8      14.4        2.93
2    
Chris Paul , LAC
   38    33.5    369    9.7      83        2.2       13.9       4.45

A big difference between them on turnovers.

  Paul's exceptionally careful with the ball. Rondo's 10th in the league in assist/turnover ratio after being top 4 the last 2 years and 7-8 the two previous years.