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Title: The Celtics are among the teams monitoring Oden's progress
Post by: crownontherocks on January 17, 2013, 02:57:44 PM
Greg Oden, the No. 1 pick in 2007 who hasn't played in an NBA game since 2009 due to a litany of knee injuries, is aiming for a comeback. Part of Oden's plan is to sign with a team in the next month and get into a training and conditioning program with an eye toward returning to the floor next season. The Celtics are among the teams monitoring Oden's progress, and sources tell CBSSports.com's Jeff Goodman that the Spurs and Cavaliers have expressed interest, too.
Title: Re: The Celtics are among the teams monitoring Oden's progress
Post by: pearljammer10 on January 17, 2013, 02:58:35 PM
Sign him up.
Title: Re: The Celtics are among the teams monitoring Oden's progress
Post by: ScottHow on January 17, 2013, 03:10:59 PM
Totally worth the risk
Title: Re: The Celtics are among the teams monitoring Oden's progress
Post by: Chris on January 17, 2013, 03:13:37 PM
It all depends on the price, but if you can sign him to a contract that...

a. Gives you control of him next year at a reasonable price, and at least early bird rights to him after that(which a contract signed now would do)

and

b. Does not impede you too much from filling in the roster to compete this year (remember, the C's are very close to the apron)

Then its a no brainer. 
Title: Re: The Celtics are among the teams monitoring Oden's progress
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on January 17, 2013, 03:14:45 PM
We should give him an offer he can't refuse. Otherwise the Heat will steal him from us.

Very huge risk involved, but very high reward as well if it worked out.
Title: Re: The Celtics are among the teams monitoring Oden's progress
Post by: lightspeed5 on January 17, 2013, 03:18:10 PM
Just like fab melo, we need to keep oden away from the heat.
Title: Re: The Celtics are among the teams monitoring Oden's progress
Post by: rondohondo on January 17, 2013, 03:19:39 PM
We should give him an offer he can't refuse. Otherwise the Heat will steal him from us.

Very huge risk involved, but very high reward as well if it worked out.

How is it a huge risk? He won't get more than a Bass type MLE contract, doubt he even gets that much . Maybe 3 mil for next year at the most ?
Title: Re: The Celtics are among the teams monitoring Oden's progress
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on January 17, 2013, 03:26:24 PM
We should give him an offer he can't refuse. Otherwise the Heat will steal him from us.

Very huge risk involved, but very high reward as well if it worked out.

How is it a huge risk? He won't get more than a Bass type MLE contract, doubt he even gets that much . Maybe 3 mil for next year at the most ?

Thats what I mean. Every team can offer him the MLE, which means Miami can as well.

If the Celtics offer him more than the MLE, he might sway in our favor because of the financial security. He'll be guaranteed more money in case (knock on wood) he just can't stay healthy enough to play in the NBA. That is what I'm suggesting. Pay him a lot of money so he wont consider any other teams. Unless those teams offer him more.

But there comes the risk, because we will be investing on a kid who's, well, fragile. But the turnout could be great as well. But we got to go all in here.
Title: Re: The Celtics are among the teams monitoring Oden's progress
Post by: rondohondo on January 17, 2013, 03:32:36 PM
We should give him an offer he can't refuse. Otherwise the Heat will steal him from us.

Very huge risk involved, but very high reward as well if it worked out.

How is it a huge risk? He won't get more than a Bass type MLE contract, doubt he even gets that much . Maybe 3 mil for next year at the most ?

Thats what I mean. Every team can offer him the MLE, which means Miami can as well.

If the Celtics offer him more than the MLE, he might sway in our favor because of the financial security. He'll be guaranteed more money in case (knock on wood) he just can't stay healthy enough to play in the NBA. That is what I'm suggesting. Pay him a lot of money so he wont consider any other teams. Unless those teams offer him more.

But there comes the risk, because we will be investing on a kid who's, well, fragile. But the turnout could be great as well. But we got to go all in here.

C's are over the cap, they can't offer more than the mle.
Title: Re: The Celtics are among the teams monitoring Oden's progress
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on January 17, 2013, 03:35:16 PM
We should give him an offer he can't refuse. Otherwise the Heat will steal him from us.

Very huge risk involved, but very high reward as well if it worked out.

How is it a huge risk? He won't get more than a Bass type MLE contract, doubt he even gets that much . Maybe 3 mil for next year at the most ?

Thats what I mean. Every team can offer him the MLE, which means Miami can as well.

If the Celtics offer him more than the MLE, he might sway in our favor because of the financial security. He'll be guaranteed more money in case (knock on wood) he just can't stay healthy enough to play in the NBA. That is what I'm suggesting. Pay him a lot of money so he wont consider any other teams. Unless those teams offer him more.

But there comes the risk, because we will be investing on a kid who's, well, fragile. But the turnout could be great as well. But we got to go all in here.

C's are over the cap, they can't offer more than the mle.

That I didn't know.

Well, I guess I'll be praying to the Basketball Gods a ton this year.
Title: Re: The Celtics are among the teams monitoring Oden's progress
Post by: wdleehi on January 17, 2013, 03:36:47 PM
Celtics already used the MLE for this season.  They can't use it to sign him at the end of this season. 
Title: Re: The Celtics are among the teams monitoring Oden's progress
Post by: Moranis on January 17, 2013, 03:47:16 PM
C's can basically offer him the minimum, which means he probably doesn't come here.
Title: Re: The Celtics are among the teams monitoring Oden's progress
Post by: Chris on January 17, 2013, 03:50:26 PM
C's can basically offer him the minimum, which means he probably doesn't come here.

They could offer him the LLE.  And I am not sure he would be getting much more than that right now.

He is just such an injury risk, that he is not going to be insurable.  I just don't see any teams giving much more than the minimum, at least as a guarantee.

And I am not sure he is looking for that.  I think he is looking for the right situation to revive his career, and hopefully showcase himself next year, so he can cash in the following year. 
Title: Re: The Celtics are among the teams monitoring Oden's progress
Post by: Sketch5 on January 17, 2013, 03:59:39 PM
This is probably the reason why Miami and The Celtics haven't brought in some one like Birdman.

I'd bring him in on a MLE as long as they can trade for a big man this year. Then go on from there.

But man, if Oden can come back, imagine him next to KG next season...WoW!
Title: Re: The Celtics are among the teams monitoring Oden's progress
Post by: Chris on January 17, 2013, 04:06:45 PM
This is probably the reason why Miami and The Celtics haven't brought in some one like Birdman.


Eh, I think its just about flexibility really.  They would have signed Birdman if they thought he could help and could be relied on.

But, for some reason, they don't, so they are keeping the roster spot open for trades, buyouts, or guys like Oden.  Its just really early in the season to be committing to those last roster spots.
Title: Re: The Celtics are among the teams monitoring Oden's progress
Post by: indeedproceed on January 17, 2013, 04:14:21 PM
I'm not sure how much harder I could cross my fingers.
Title: Re: The Celtics are among the teams monitoring Oden's progress
Post by: LarBrd33 on January 17, 2013, 04:28:23 PM
Man I'd LOVE that.  He was an amazing prospect and played pretty darn well when he got on the court.  He never really got up to speed with the pacing of the game and was consistently in foul trouble, but you could see the hype was legitimate.  If he had remained healthy, everyone agreed his worst case scenario would be Dwight Howard... just an incredible physical specimen with amazing defensive timing and instincts.

I know it's seen as a long shot at this point, but the idea of him miraculously reaching his potential while playing on the Heat makes me nauseous.  I'd LOVE to take a chance on him in Boston.  Very little could make me more excited than rolling the dice on Oden.  Low risk...unlimited potential reward.
Title: Re: The Celtics are among the teams monitoring Oden's progress
Post by: indeedproceed on January 17, 2013, 04:31:07 PM
Man I'd LOVE that.  He was an amazing prospect and played pretty darn well when he got on the court.  He never really got up to speed with the pacing of the game and was consistently in foul trouble, but you could see the hype was legitimate.  If he had remained healthy, everyone agreed his worst case scenario would be Dwight Howard... just an incredible physical specimen with amazing defensive timing and instincts.

I know it's seen as a long shot at this point, but the idea of him miraculously reaching his potential while playing on the Heat makes me nauseous.  I'd LOVE to take a chance on him in Boston.  Very little could make me more excited than rolling the dice on Oden.  Low risk...unlimited potential reward.

I mean, imagine if he just ceiling'd out at 11-10 and 2 blocks, while shooting 55% from the field. That's a possible scenario, right? That could happen?

Rondo
Bradley
Not Jeff Green
Sullinger
Oden

I really like that idear.
Title: Re: The Celtics are among the teams monitoring Oden's progress
Post by: LarBrd33 on January 17, 2013, 04:36:49 PM
Man I'd LOVE that.  He was an amazing prospect and played pretty darn well when he got on the court.  He never really got up to speed with the pacing of the game and was consistently in foul trouble, but you could see the hype was legitimate.  If he had remained healthy, everyone agreed his worst case scenario would be Dwight Howard... just an incredible physical specimen with amazing defensive timing and instincts.

I know it's seen as a long shot at this point, but the idea of him miraculously reaching his potential while playing on the Heat makes me nauseous.  I'd LOVE to take a chance on him in Boston.  Very little could make me more excited than rolling the dice on Oden.  Low risk...unlimited potential reward.

I mean, imagine if he just ceiling'd out at 11-10 and 2 blocks, while shooting 55% from the field. That's a possible scenario, right? That could happen?

Rondo
Bradley
Not Jeff Green
Sullinger
Oden

I really like that idear.
Like I said, he never really got the pacing down and got in foul trouble.  It's something Perk struggled with early in his career too.  It's something I have zero doubt he'd adjust to with time on the court.. he just never had the time.   Still.. the raw talent was very clear.    In his second season (21 games) he averaged 11 points, 8.5 rebounds, 2.3 blocks in 24 minutes while shooting 60% ... 4 fouls per game was the reason why he didn't get more minutes. 

If you projected that over 36 minutes, it's 17 points, 13 rebounds, 3.4 blocks ... 

If he can ever get back into the kind of shape he had been in... he's absolutely worth any risk you wish to take.  He wasn't a bust in the sense he wasn't good... it was just injuries.  You'd take a healthy young injury-free Greg Oden over 98% of the players in this league.   
Title: Re: The Celtics are among the teams monitoring Oden's progress
Post by: LarBrd33 on January 17, 2013, 04:43:54 PM
I think it's fair to say that if Oden gets to the point where he is healthy enough to step on the court, his worst-case-scenario at this point is rich man's Kendrick Perkins.
Title: Re: The Celtics are among the teams monitoring Oden's progress
Post by: Roy H. on January 17, 2013, 04:44:07 PM
If chronically injured big men and fellow Trail Blazers Bill Walton and Sam Bowie can have a couple of good (or in Walton's case, great) seasons, so can Oden.  Sign him up.
Title: Re: The Celtics are among the teams monitoring Oden's progress
Post by: angryguy77 on January 17, 2013, 04:46:18 PM
Where do I sign the petition?
Title: Re: The Celtics are among the teams monitoring Oden's progress
Post by: crownontherocks on January 17, 2013, 05:03:49 PM
Ainge confirms the Celtics are monitoring Greg Oden. They haven't attempted to sign him, but they've monitored him.
Title: Re: The Celtics are among the teams monitoring Oden's progress
Post by: LarBrd33 on January 17, 2013, 05:06:21 PM
Ainge confirms the Celtics are monitoring Greg Oden. They haven't attempted to sign him, but they've monitored him.
I'm sure this is a nonstory.  If you're a gm in this league, you probably should be monitoring Greg Oden's progress. 
Title: Re: The Celtics are among the teams monitoring Oden's progress
Post by: CelticsFan9 on January 17, 2013, 05:06:53 PM
He's well worth the risk at the minimum,  would love to see us get a TRUE center.

Imagine him and Sully after practice learning from KG!  That'd be awesome.
Title: Re: The Celtics are among the teams monitoring Oden's progress
Post by: MJohnnyboy on January 17, 2013, 05:09:33 PM
Here's to hoping he's got Benjamin Button's disease. I'd love to have him but he's fragile.
Title: Re: The Celtics are among the teams monitoring Oden's progress
Post by: jdz101 on January 17, 2013, 05:37:40 PM
Not even worth wasting the minimum on.

When will people start giving up on this guy? The 14th and 15th surgeries?

Title: Re: The Celtics are among the teams monitoring Oden's progress
Post by: Celtics4ever on January 17, 2013, 06:05:46 PM
Quote
He's well worth the risk at the minimum,  would love to see us get a TRUE center.

Only thing he has been true is wheelchair squad.
Title: Re: The Celtics are among the teams monitoring Oden's progress
Post by: nickagneta on January 17, 2013, 06:17:38 PM
Oooooh..this is almost as exciting as all the Darius Miles stuff that set this blog aBlaze back in 2008.

I can feel the hair standing up on the back of my neck.

Its deja vu all over again.

Yawn!!!!!!! He's done.
Title: Re: The Celtics are among the teams monitoring Oden's progress
Post by: LarBrd33 on January 17, 2013, 06:18:30 PM
Not even worth wasting the minimum on.

When will people start giving up on this guy? The 14th and 15th surgeries?

If he's still injured at 34, people will give up on him.  So like 10 years from now.
Title: Re: The Celtics are among the teams monitoring Oden's progress
Post by: Birdman on January 17, 2013, 07:57:41 PM
Oooooh..this is almost as exciting as all the Darius Miles stuff that set this blog aBlaze back in 2008.

I can feel the hair standing up on the back of my neck.

Its deja vu all over again.

Yawn!!!!!!! He's done.
Whatever happen to Darius Miles
Title: Re: The Celtics are among the teams monitoring Oden's progress
Post by: nickagneta on January 17, 2013, 08:18:24 PM
Oooooh..this is almost as exciting as all the Darius Miles stuff that set this blog aBlaze back in 2008.

I can feel the hair standing up on the back of my neck.

Its deja vu all over again.

Yawn!!!!!!! He's done.
Whatever happen to Darius Miles
Google search: Bill Walton, Brandon Roy, Darius Miles.

Basically if he looks to have a top 5 player in the league pedigree, year, two years, potential or hype, and you are playing in Portland, you will soon be having knee problems that will render you to be so much less than you should have been.

Poor Portland. If Boston leads the league in heart ailments on young players, Portland leads the league in potential top 5 talent being lost because of knee injuries.
Title: Re: The Celtics are among the teams monitoring Oden's progress
Post by: Birdman on January 17, 2013, 08:22:28 PM
Sam Bowie also but it was his legs
Title: Re: The Celtics are among the teams monitoring Oden's progress
Post by: TripleOT on January 17, 2013, 11:02:42 PM
Walton's issues were mostly foot problems. 

I'm not going to be surprised if Oden gets back into the league and contributes to a team, probably as a backup center. 
Title: Re: The Celtics are among the teams monitoring Oden's progress
Post by: indeedproceed on January 17, 2013, 11:20:22 PM
Oooooh..this is almost as exciting as all the Darius Miles stuff that set this blog aBlaze back in 2008.

I can feel the hair standing up on the back of my neck.

Its deja vu all over again.

Yawn!!!!!!! He's done.

You're a cloud on a sunny day, a screen door in our submarine, that one number on a lottery ticket thatis the difference between a big payout and nothing. You're a 22 in blackjack. You stop it right now, nickagneta.
Title: Re: The Celtics are among the teams monitoring Oden's progress
Post by: Kane3387 on January 17, 2013, 11:33:16 PM
Due Dilligence
Title: Re: The Celtics are among the teams monitoring Oden's progress
Post by: TripleOT on January 18, 2013, 09:20:21 AM
All Oden has to do this summer is leak some footage of him running up and down the court in a pickup game to get teams to throw at least a LLE deal at him.

He might want to get with an NBA team now, to use their facilities and medical staff, but is probably going to want more than a vetmin deal.  There's really not much upside for the Cs to do it unless they get a contract that controls  him for the rest of this season, where he  probably never gets on the court, and next, where the upside is huge for a small investment. 

Title: Re: The Celtics are among the teams monitoring Oden's progress
Post by: Chris on January 18, 2013, 09:32:09 AM
All Oden has to do this summer is leak some footage of him running up and down the court in a pickup game to get teams to throw at least a LLE deal at him.

He might want to get with an NBA team now, to use their facilities and medical staff, but is probably going to want more than a vetmin deal.  There's really not much upside for the Cs to do it unless they get a contract that controls  him for the rest of this season, where he  probably never gets on the court, and next, where the upside is huge for a small investment.

The reason for him to sign now is simple.  It makes it easier for him to get paid, and stay in a favorable situation earlier.

If he waits until the summer to sign, and only signs a one year deal, then the team he signs with would only be able to resign him to a larger contract if they used their MLE or cap space...and if he is looking to hook up with a good organization, that is close to the luxury tax, that MLE might only be $3 million.

However, if he signs now, he can play out next year, and then have early Bird rights next summer, which will allow him to resign with that team (assuming he likes it there) for 104% of the league average salary (MLE) without them having to use any exceptions.

Or if he signs a three year deal, he would have full bird rights in 2 seasons rather than 3.

Its actually a very smart tactic, and probably worth the extra couple million he might be giving up for next season, by not waiting for the summer to sign. 

He is taking the longview.  Find a situation that is beneficial to him, where he thinks he has the best chance to succeed, and look to cash in on a bigger contract, not this little one. 
Title: Re: The Celtics are among the teams monitoring Oden's progress
Post by: pearljammer10 on January 18, 2013, 09:37:52 AM
Oooooh..this is almost as exciting as all the Darius Miles stuff that set this blog aBlaze back in 2008.

I can feel the hair standing up on the back of my neck.

Its deja vu all over again.

Yawn!!!!!!! He's done.
Whatever happen to Darius Miles

Man I was such a huge Darius Miles fan when he got drafted. He was my favorite player when he came out of college. When he played for us for that short stint I was beyond estatic. Too bad he fell off the face of the basketball planet.
Title: Re: The Celtics are among the teams monitoring Oden's progress
Post by: Chris on January 18, 2013, 09:39:50 AM
Oooooh..this is almost as exciting as all the Darius Miles stuff that set this blog aBlaze back in 2008.

I can feel the hair standing up on the back of my neck.

Its deja vu all over again.

Yawn!!!!!!! He's done.
Whatever happen to Darius Miles

Man I was such a huge Darius Miles fan when he got drafted. He was my favorite player when he came out of college. When he played for us for that short stint I was beyond estatic. Too bad he fell off the face of the basketball planet.

Its amazing what bad knees can do to a guy whose game is predicated on freakish athleticism.
Title: Re: The Celtics are among the teams monitoring Oden's progress
Post by: Roy H. on January 18, 2013, 09:47:14 AM
Oooooh..this is almost as exciting as all the Darius Miles stuff that set this blog aBlaze back in 2008.

I can feel the hair standing up on the back of my neck.

Its deja vu all over again.

Yawn!!!!!!! He's done.
Whatever happen to Darius Miles

Man I was such a huge Darius Miles fan when he got drafted. He was my favorite player when he came out of college. When he played for us for that short stint I was beyond estatic. Too bad he fell off the face of the basketball planet.

High school.
Title: Re: The Celtics are among the teams monitoring Oden's progress
Post by: Snakehead on January 18, 2013, 09:49:08 AM
Oooooh..this is almost as exciting as all the Darius Miles stuff that set this blog aBlaze back in 2008.

I can feel the hair standing up on the back of my neck.

Its deja vu all over again.

Yawn!!!!!!! He's done.
Whatever happen to Darius Miles

Man I was such a huge Darius Miles fan when he got drafted. He was my favorite player when he came out of college. When he played for us for that short stint I was beyond estatic. Too bad he fell off the face of the basketball planet.

Flashbacks.

Lived in Cleveland when Darius was on the team.

Also when Kemp came there... and became super fat. So disappointing.
Title: Re: The Celtics are among the teams monitoring Oden's progress
Post by: Cman on January 18, 2013, 10:10:56 AM
Oooooh..this is almost as exciting as all the Darius Miles stuff that set this blog aBlaze back in 2008.

I can feel the hair standing up on the back of my neck.

Its deja vu all over again.

Yawn!!!!!!! He's done.
Whatever happen to Darius Miles
Google search: Bill Walton, Brandon Roy, Darius Miles.

Basically if he looks to have a top 5 player in the league pedigree, year, two years, potential or hype, and you are playing in Portland, you will soon be having knee problems that will render you to be so much less than you should have been.

Poor Portland. If Boston leads the league in heart ailments on young players, Portland leads the league in potential top 5 talent being lost because of knee injuries.

Yeah, it really is as if the two teams have a curse of some sort.
It also just so happens that they are my two favorite teams. Is the problem.... me?
:)
Title: Re: The Celtics are among the teams monitoring Oden's progress
Post by: Cman on January 18, 2013, 10:11:24 AM
Every team is monitoring Oden.
No news here.
Title: Re: The Celtics are among the teams monitoring Oden's progress
Post by: Evantime34 on January 18, 2013, 10:22:54 AM
Every team is monitoring Oden.
No news here.
The news is that fans can discuss the merits of bringing Oden in.

I think it's a no brainer for us, in that we could bring him in and hopefully he could help us as a big next year and maybe part of our future.

For him I think it would be good to be under the constant supervision of our training staff. His development would be helped by KG, explaining things to him as well.
Title: Re: The Celtics are among the teams monitoring Oden's progress
Post by: pearljammer10 on January 18, 2013, 10:29:17 AM
Oooooh..this is almost as exciting as all the Darius Miles stuff that set this blog aBlaze back in 2008.

I can feel the hair standing up on the back of my neck.

Its deja vu all over again.

Yawn!!!!!!! He's done.
Whatever happen to Darius Miles

Man I was such a huge Darius Miles fan when he got drafted. He was my favorite player when he came out of college. When he played for us for that short stint I was beyond estatic. Too bad he fell off the face of the basketball planet.

High school.

My fingers slipped!
Title: Re: The Celtics are among the teams monitoring Oden's progress
Post by: Surferdad on January 19, 2013, 10:16:23 PM
Every team is monitoring Oden.
No news here.
The news is that fans can discuss the merits of bringing Oden in.

I think it's a no brainer for us, in that we could bring him in and hopefully he could help us as a big next year and maybe part of our future.

For him I think it would be good to be under the constant supervision of our training staff. His development would be helped by KG, explaining things to him as well.
This. It seems that taking the risk is worth it for the upside.  You have to find some luck using measured risk to get ahead.  C's have a great young core now and adding Oden to that is an exciting prospect. 
Title: Re: The Celtics are among the teams monitoring Oden's progress
Post by: Moranis on January 20, 2013, 09:57:41 PM
Oden wants to sign around the middle to end of February.  Probably will decide where he wants to go after the trade deadline.