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Title: Saw this over on Realgm about Barbosa
Post by: WeMadeIt17 on January 17, 2013, 11:33:16 AM
I am going to quote what this guy said. He used an article from Espn but its in spanish. Here is what it said over there.



This is basically what he said:

"I'm not going to lie I tried to leave a lot of times, but Danny doesn't want to let me go. He's been a fan of my bball for so many years. I wanted to get a good contract with C's but it didn't happen. But he's not going to let me go easily like this."

"This is the present situation, I have to wait for my chance. Doc talks normally with me he says that I have always to be prepared because everything can happen. I'm not Nash or Rondo, of course I prefer playing SG, but I feel confortable playing PG too. I used to in Phoenix where I won 6th man award."

"I don't know if it's a surprise (we say a bomb in Brazil), I can't talk anything. A lot will happen. Very soon you will hear about a surprise."




http://espn.estadao.com.br/noticia/304011_ignorado-leandrinho-pediu-para-sair-dos-celtics-rejeitou-fla-e-diz-que-jogaria-no-corinthians?timestamp=1358437609760
Title: Re: Saw this over on Realgm about Barbosa
Post by: WeMadeIt17 on January 17, 2013, 11:35:27 AM
Seems like Barbosa wants out.. Interesting though.
Title: Re: Saw this over on Realgm about Barbosa
Post by: slamtheking on January 17, 2013, 11:37:38 AM
sounds like he wants to leave and I can't blame him.  he provides the instant offense we've been looking for (even though he doesn't really pass the ball much). 

I'm sure a better coach could use him better than Doc does.
Title: Re: Saw this over on Realgm about Barbosa
Post by: WeMadeIt17 on January 17, 2013, 11:39:37 AM
I just wonder what the surprise might be.. Maybe he gets released? Maybe a trade where it allows him to get into the lineup? Idk I know its out on a limb but I love rumors!
Title: Re: Saw this over on Realgm about Barbosa
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on January 17, 2013, 11:45:01 AM
It's really too bad, I'm a big fan of the blur but he's stuck on the wrong end of a logjam so I can't really blame him
Title: Re: Saw this over on Realgm about Barbosa
Post by: esel1000 on January 17, 2013, 11:49:42 AM
whose really surprised by this? we could have used him last night and doc barely did... we needed a guy who would penetrate and he could have jump started us offensively. I really like doc but man I was very unimpressed with his coaching last night.

he deserves more playing time than he gets, this isn't sasha or marquis daniels
Title: Re: Saw this over on Realgm about Barbosa
Post by: CFAN38 on January 17, 2013, 11:52:38 AM
This is the link

http://espn.estadao.com.br/noticia/304011_ignorado-leandrinho-pediu-para-sair-dos-celtics-rejeitou-fla-e-diz-que-jogaria-no-corinthians?timestamp=1358437609760

I put it on a Portuguese to English translator. It clearly says that Barbosa has tryed to leave and that Doc and Danny have convinced him to stay. The fuzzy part is "the bomb". My guess is the bomb is either an inury to Rondo,
Terry, Ab, or Lee or its a trade involving AB, Terry, or Lee where Barbosa would be thrust into significant SG minutes. He makes mention of how he is more comfortable now at PG but prefers SG.

I tend to think that the likely scenario is they are getting him to stay in case of injury. My conspiracy theory is that they are planning on shipping out multiple players including a guard (Lee/Terry +Bass/Green to get a big guy and want Barbosa on the roster to step right in and take the minutes.     
Title: Re: Saw this over on Realgm about Barbosa
Post by: cons on January 17, 2013, 11:53:01 AM
wasn't he a free agent and could've signed anywhere? so why complain?
seems like nobody else wanted him anyway
he should be thankful they're playing him brief spurts where he can look good and get a chance to play some more. If he played longer minutes probably more of his flaws would be exposed
Title: Re: Saw this over on Realgm about Barbosa
Post by: esel1000 on January 17, 2013, 11:58:10 AM
the more I read into this, the more he seems to know a big trade might be in the works and they're holding onto him for the pg/sg minutes he's gonna provide if they ship out some pieces.

I don't know if it's a surprise (we say a bomb in Brazil), I can't talk anything. A lot will happen. Very soon you will hear about a surprise."
Title: Re: Saw this over on Realgm about Barbosa
Post by: ssspence on January 17, 2013, 12:06:11 PM
He clearly thinks there's gonna be a trade, which could be real, or could be the org telling him it could happen so he keeps his head in the game and the team...
Title: Re: Saw this over on Realgm about Barbosa
Post by: ScottHow on January 17, 2013, 12:09:09 PM
Interesting
Title: Re: Saw this over on Realgm about Barbosa
Post by: Snakehead on January 17, 2013, 12:23:44 PM
sounds like he wants to leave and I can't blame him.  he provides the instant offense we've been looking for (even though he doesn't really pass the ball much). 

I'm sure a better coach could use him better than Doc does.

A better coach?

The issue is that there aren't the minutes to go around.  Doc is doing nothing wrong.
Title: Re: Saw this over on Realgm about Barbosa
Post by: CFAN38 on January 17, 2013, 12:23:50 PM
The more I think about this the more I think Danny may have made a calculated move in bring in Barbosa. Last year he was inconsistent but averaged 9pts a game of Indy and 12 for Toronto, definitely more production than his current minutes dictate.

This is what I think Danny has up his sleeve.

knowing that AB is hurt and likely out till about mid season and that Ray was gone. He signs Terry to take Rays role. Then signs Lee as a part time AB fill in. Hoping that Lee gains value as a starter he convinces Barbosa to sign with a promise that Lee will moved at the trade deadline since Avery will be back and Lee will be expendable. The logic here is that Barbosa is always the 4th guard in a rotation that includes a 35year old Terry.

I think the teams rough start and Avery coming back a little sooner than expected threw this plans off a bit (and caused the Cs to almost loose Barbosa).
Title: Re: Saw this over on Realgm about Barbosa
Post by: Rick Robeys Return on January 17, 2013, 12:37:29 PM
watching Terry the last number of games, and especially when the second unit stalls offensively (in both senses) like last night against NO, I would much rather have Barbosa than Jet out there with CLee, Green, Sully, and KG....ability to drive, shoots the three, can play off the ball etc....DOC, YOU LISTENING?
Title: Re: Saw this over on Realgm about Barbosa
Post by: Chris on January 17, 2013, 12:38:32 PM
The more I think about this the more I think Danny may have made a calculated move in bring in Barbosa. Last year he was inconsistent but averaged 9pts a game of Indy and 12 for Toronto, definitely more production than his current minutes dictate.

This is what I think Danny has up his sleeve.

knowing that AB is hurt and likely out till about mid season and that Ray was gone. He signs Terry to take Rays role. Then signs Lee as a part time AB fill in. Hoping that Lee gains value as a starter he convinces Barbosa to sign with a promise that Lee will moved at the trade deadline since Avery will be back and Lee will be expendable. The logic here is that Barbosa is always the 4th guard in a rotation that includes a 35year old Terry.

I think the teams rough start and Avery coming back a little sooner than expected threw this plans off a bit (and caused the Cs to almost loose Barbosa).

I really think there is zero chance Danny makes promises like that.  Danny knows that promises MUST be kept, or lose the trust of agents.  And he also knows that trades are not easy to make in the NBA. 

Personally, I think he signed Barbosa as depth.  It allowed them the ability to stay afloat while Bradley was out, and it gives them some flexibility to offer different players in trades.

But I don't think anything is pre-arranged here. 

As for the comments by Barbosa, I think they are the typical comments of a frustrated player riding the bench, who might open up a little too much when talking to reporters from his home country.  It happens all the time (much more often in Baseball).
Title: Re: Saw this over on Realgm about Barbosa
Post by: pearljammer10 on January 17, 2013, 12:42:48 PM
Interesting

Very.

The whole "surprise" thing throw me off a bit.
Title: Re: Saw this over on Realgm about Barbosa
Post by: Fafnir on January 17, 2013, 12:55:55 PM
They could have easily sold him on staying till the trade deadline at least, becuase if they made a trade that cost them backcourt depth he'd get right back in the rotation.
Title: Re: Saw this over on Realgm about Barbosa
Post by: Chris on January 17, 2013, 01:03:54 PM
They could have easily sold him on staying till the trade deadline at least, becuase if they made a trade that cost them backcourt depth he'd get right back in the rotation.

Yeah, I think that could be reasonable.  Basically told him they need him while Bradley comes back, and perhaps if another spot opens up.  But if he is still blocked at the trade deadline, they will either trade him or buy him out. 
Title: Re: Saw this over on Realgm about Barbosa
Post by: j804 on January 17, 2013, 01:07:13 PM
So the article is actual quotes by him?!
Title: Re: Saw this over on Realgm about Barbosa
Post by: ssspence on January 17, 2013, 01:20:16 PM
They could have easily sold him on staying till the trade deadline at least, becuase if they made a trade that cost them backcourt depth he'd get right back in the rotation.

Yeah, I think that could be reasonable.  Basically told him they need him while Bradley comes back, and perhaps if another spot opens up.  But if he is still blocked at the trade deadline, they will either trade him or buy him out.

Even if the deadline passes and no trades are made, I think it's pretty hard to see them buying him out as long as they're still in the playoff hunt, and considering the hard cap they face to sign players (though I'm not familiar with what a buyout of a vet min guy looks like from a cap perspective).

If Rondo, Terry or Lee rolls an ankle (or stinks), he's a key factor....
Title: Re: Saw this over on Realgm about Barbosa
Post by: Chris on January 17, 2013, 01:24:49 PM
They could have easily sold him on staying till the trade deadline at least, becuase if they made a trade that cost them backcourt depth he'd get right back in the rotation.

Yeah, I think that could be reasonable.  Basically told him they need him while Bradley comes back, and perhaps if another spot opens up.  But if he is still blocked at the trade deadline, they will either trade him or buy him out.

Even if the deadline passes and no trades are made, I think it's pretty hard to see them buying him out as long as they're still in the playoff hunt, and considering the hard cap they face to sign players (though I'm not familiar with what a buyout of a vet min guy looks like from a cap perspective).

If Rondo, Terry or Lee rolls an ankle (or stinks), he's a key factor....

Eh, Danny strongly believes in keeping up relations with agents, and I believe Barbosa is with Dan Fegan, who is pretty powerful. 

If they really don't have a role for him, I would not be the least bit surprised if he gets bought out...although I do think a trade is more likely. 
Title: Re: Saw this over on Realgm about Barbosa
Post by: jgod213 on January 17, 2013, 01:32:13 PM
on: October 25, 2012 by JGod213, 02:57:38 PM

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Any chance this is a half-season rental scenario here? Maybe even discussed by both parties prior to signing? 

Barbosa boosts his own value over the next month or two, then when Bradley gets back Danny could move Barbosa if the Darko experiment doesn't work out or something of the like. 

We get guard help now, flip him for need down the line.  Seems like a win-win as I'm sure Barbosa isn't ready to be a fringe-rotation player yet.
Just a thought...

I don't get many chances to toot my own horn, so i'll do it now. 

I think this entire scenario that is unfolding with Barbosa was prearranged and that Danny definitely has something up his sleave with respects to one of these guards...
Title: Re: Saw this over on Realgm about Barbosa
Post by: Evantime34 on January 17, 2013, 01:32:51 PM
They could have easily sold him on staying till the trade deadline at least, becuase if they made a trade that cost them backcourt depth he'd get right back in the rotation.
I think if we deal for a big man it will be for a package including Terry. This would certainly free up some time for Barbosa.
Title: Re: Saw this over on Realgm about Barbosa
Post by: ssspence on January 17, 2013, 01:43:30 PM
They could have easily sold him on staying till the trade deadline at least, becuase if they made a trade that cost them backcourt depth he'd get right back in the rotation.
I think if we deal for a big man it will be for a package including Terry. This would certainly free up some time for Barbosa.

Amen, and fingers crossed!
Title: Re: Saw this over on Realgm about Barbosa
Post by: CelticG1 on January 17, 2013, 01:45:59 PM
They could have easily sold him on staying till the trade deadline at least, becuase if they made a trade that cost them backcourt depth he'd get right back in the rotation.

Yeah, I think that could be reasonable.  Basically told him they need him while Bradley comes back, and perhaps if another spot opens up.  But if he is still blocked at the trade deadline, they will either trade him or buy him out.

Even if the deadline passes and no trades are made, I think it's pretty hard to see them buying him out as long as they're still in the playoff hunt, and considering the hard cap they face to sign players (though I'm not familiar with what a buyout of a vet min guy looks like from a cap perspective).

If Rondo, Terry or Lee rolls an ankle (or stinks), he's a key factor....

Eh, Danny strongly believes in keeping up relations with agents, and I believe Barbosa is with Dan Fegan, who is pretty powerful. 

If they really don't have a role for him, I would not be the least bit surprised if he gets bought out...although I do think a trade is more likely.

I see people say this a lot and not calling you out but do you have evidence of this?

I can't think of a bunch of specific examples of it either way.

I mean that seems like something every GM would ideally want to do. Plus Danny has been ruthless with other things so what's really that big a difference?
Title: Re: Saw this over on Realgm about Barbosa
Post by: Chris on January 17, 2013, 01:57:56 PM
They could have easily sold him on staying till the trade deadline at least, becuase if they made a trade that cost them backcourt depth he'd get right back in the rotation.

Yeah, I think that could be reasonable.  Basically told him they need him while Bradley comes back, and perhaps if another spot opens up.  But if he is still blocked at the trade deadline, they will either trade him or buy him out.

Even if the deadline passes and no trades are made, I think it's pretty hard to see them buying him out as long as they're still in the playoff hunt, and considering the hard cap they face to sign players (though I'm not familiar with what a buyout of a vet min guy looks like from a cap perspective).

If Rondo, Terry or Lee rolls an ankle (or stinks), he's a key factor....

Eh, Danny strongly believes in keeping up relations with agents, and I believe Barbosa is with Dan Fegan, who is pretty powerful. 

If they really don't have a role for him, I would not be the least bit surprised if he gets bought out...although I do think a trade is more likely.

I see people say this a lot and not calling you out but do you have evidence of this?

I can't think of a bunch of specific examples of it either way.

I mean that seems like something every GM would ideally want to do. Plus Danny has been ruthless with other things so what's really that big a difference?

Depends what you consider evidence.

Its all rumors and speculation.  But here are some of the rumors and speculation that support this claim.

-Danny promising to take Orien Greene, and then when Amir Johnson was still on the board, trying to find a work around, but ending up taking Orien anyways, to make the agent happy.

-Danny working out the sign and trade for Antoine to get him paid as a favor to his agent, Mark Bartelstein

-Bartelstein returning that favor by delivering James Posey on a bargain "make good" deal in 2008, over other contenders
Title: Re: Saw this over on Realgm about Barbosa
Post by: Quinn on January 17, 2013, 02:07:29 PM
Am I the only one that thinks this could be a sign that rondo will be traded for a star big. The pg by committee would work if we got a huge upgrade in the front court in my opinion. Rondos my favorite player but it would open up a spot for barbosa especially if we moved away from the pg ball dominant offense
Title: Re: Saw this over on Realgm about Barbosa
Post by: pearljammer10 on January 17, 2013, 02:09:51 PM
Front page reports that "Barbosa requests trade".

From the article I didn't really get that? He mentioned he tried to get out but it doesnt really seems to me that he "demanded" anything.
Title: Re: Saw this over on Realgm about Barbosa
Post by: pearljammer10 on January 17, 2013, 02:18:44 PM
Am I the only one that thinks this could be a sign that rondo will be traded for a star big. The pg by committee would work if we got a huge upgrade in the front court in my opinion. Rondos my favorite player but it would open up a spot for barbosa especially if we moved away from the pg ball dominant offense

A few signals could point to that but I just dont see very many deals that make sense for anybody.

Here are a couple that could maybe...MAYBE... makes sense from both teams but I dont think I would make the moves.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=cl9kxn8 (http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=cl9kxn8)

Rondo for Evans Cousins

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=a6lyz6l (http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=a6lyz6l)

A deal for the oft rumored Lakers bigs but it doesnt make sense for LA with Nash there...
Rondo, Bass, Lee, Collins, For Gasol or Howard, Steve Blake, Meeks...

I mean I just don't see many superstar for superstar deals out there in which a team needs Rondo and the Celtics get fair return.
Title: Re: Saw this over on Realgm about Barbosa
Post by: crownontherocks on January 17, 2013, 02:40:56 PM
Leandro Barbosa has reportedly requested a trade from the Celtics. It sounds more like he's requested his release than a trade as he wants to play internationally and be close to his family. Barbosa has been an utter non-factor for the Celtics this season.

Source: Sportando Jan
Title: Re: Saw this over on Realgm about Barbosa
Post by: pp34isthe1 on January 17, 2013, 03:01:20 PM
I just hope Danny isnt making promises he cant fulfill. But whats with these guys wanting to be released/traded? First Darko now Barbosa. Didnt they know what they were committing to when they signed on here? Its rediculous.

What confuses me is this quote:
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I was supposed to have got a good contract with the Boston Celtics, but did not. He will not let me go so no.

Good as in he gets to play with an elite franchise in the Celtics or good as in $$ wise? Its not like teams were jumping out the gate to sign Barbosa.

Locker room issue or trade coming soon? Whats going on here!?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMHdlka9fvA
Title: Re: Saw this over on Realgm about Barbosa
Post by: crownontherocks on January 17, 2013, 03:05:56 PM
UPDATE 2:22 PM EST: We know there’s another member of the Leandro Barbosa household that doesn’t want Leandro in Boston.  Barbosa’s wife and Brazillian actress, Samara Felippo:

http://clnsradio.com/2013/01/17/leandro-barbosa-wants-out-of-boston-celtics-refuse-to-oblige/
Title: Re: Saw this over on Realgm about Barbosa
Post by: Chris on January 17, 2013, 03:06:39 PM
I just hope Danny isnt making promises he cant fulfill. But whats with these guys wanting to be released/traded? First Darko now Barbosa. Didnt they know what they were committing to when they signed on here? Its rediculous.

What confuses me is this quote:
Quote
I was supposed to have got a good contract with the Boston Celtics, but did not. He will not let me go so no.

Good as in he gets to play with an elite franchise in the Celtics or good as in $$ wise? Its not like teams were jumping out the gate to sign Barbosa.

Locker room issue or trade coming soon? Whats going on here!?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMHdlka9fvA

I wouldn't get too wrapped up in translated quotes.  I think a lot can get lost in translation.
Title: Re: Saw this over on Realgm about Barbosa
Post by: ScottHow on January 17, 2013, 03:10:21 PM
I wonder if other players are going to start looking over their shoulders for a trade.
Title: Re: Saw this over on Realgm about Barbosa
Post by: crownontherocks on January 17, 2013, 03:20:24 PM
Barbosa strongly denies report of trade request: "No, I want to play. I want to be here. That's it."

Barbosa was shown both the translation and original story and denied ever making the statements.

As for uneven playing time, Barbosa says, "I knew it was going to be like this when I came here."


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