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Title: Calling out KG
Post by: Smitty77 on January 16, 2013, 10:26:31 PM
Let me first say I love KG and I appreciate what he has given us, but he is GASSED!!

He looked HORRIBLE against the Bobcats who have NO ONE on their front line!!

He had BY FAR the worst differential on the team and the court (-26)!!!

He only had 4 rebounds against the lowly Hornets.

Everyone loves to call out Rondo, who certainly was "bad" Rondo tonight and there is plenty of reason to blame PP (-10 tonite), but I am calling for Doc to rest KG.

Something is wrong with him.  He looked 55 years old vs. the Bobcats.

Smitty77
Title: Re: Calling out KG
Post by: csfansince60s on January 16, 2013, 10:30:59 PM
But we don't need a big. ::)
Title: Re: Calling out KG
Post by: pearljammer10 on January 16, 2013, 10:32:57 PM
The whole team looked like they went out all last night and were still shaking off a hangover...Was it anyone birthday or anything, any big celebration. I mean geesh.

I dont understand why KG doesnt take the open lanes to the basket more. Tonight there were three or four times he had a wide open lane and ended up stopping for a turn around jumper which missed front rim. Man up and go to the hoop big fellah!
Title: Re: Calling out KG
Post by: ejk3489 on January 16, 2013, 10:40:20 PM
The only thing wrong with KG is that he's 36 playing in his 18th season in the league.

And resting him is a nice idea, but who takes his place in the line up? Collins? I think we've already seen what a disaster that is.
Title: Re: Calling out KG
Post by: PhoSita on January 16, 2013, 10:54:03 PM
There are going to be some nights -- and for stretches, more nights than not -- when KG simply doesn't have it.

That's just how it is.  Gotta make the most of the nights when he does have it and find ways to make up for it when he doesn't.

The good news is he "has it" on defense most of the time.
Title: Re: Calling out KG
Post by: Change on January 16, 2013, 11:02:03 PM
haha funny  >:( This team is a lottery team without KG. And you picked a bad night to call him out. KG had good shooting night leading the Celtics in scoring. As far as the rebounding goes Garnett counterpart Lopez had 6 rebounds, so rebounding point is moot. Celtics lost the game as a collective. The Pelicans outplayed them in every facet of the game.
Title: Re: Calling out KG
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on January 16, 2013, 11:10:21 PM
But we don't need a big. ::)

EGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGSACTLLLLLLLYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY   ;D


Mr Cousins or Mr. Gortat ....welcome to beantown!
Title: Re: Calling out KG
Post by: Eddie20 on January 16, 2013, 11:13:40 PM
I love KG, but Ainge did say that he believes that he sometimes "lacks spirit".

Not sure how many caught his pre-game interview with Dickerson, but here it is around the 4:20 mark...

http://www.csnne.com/pages/celticsvideo?PID=uvXM2-Oq6y259Wriu7QZnOOoT_dT6EkS_FhOED (http://www.csnne.com/pages/celticsvideo?PID=uvXM2-Oq6y259Wriu7QZnOOoT_dT6EkS_FhOED)
Title: Re: Calling out KG
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on January 16, 2013, 11:15:13 PM
haha funny  >:( This team is a lottery team without KG. And you picked a bad night to call him out. KG had good shooting night leading the Celtics in scoring. As far as the rebounding goes Garnett counterpart Lopez had 6 rebounds, so rebounding point is moot. Celtics lost the game as a collective. The Pelicans outplayed them in every facet of the game.

outcoached also. no coach in his right mind would allow his team to shoot bricks for 48 minutes. insanity. at least try to attack in all ways. something. anything.
Title: Re: Calling out KG
Post by: Lord of Mikawa on January 16, 2013, 11:22:48 PM
haha funny  >:( This team is a lottery team without KG. And you picked a bad night to call him out. KG had good shooting night leading the Celtics in scoring. As far as the rebounding goes Garnett counterpart Lopez had 6 rebounds, so rebounding point is moot. Celtics lost the game as a collective. The Pelicans outplayed them in every facet of the game.
People just don't understand that dude. TP
Title: Re: Calling out KG
Post by: Smitty77 on January 16, 2013, 11:25:58 PM
Change,

If KG was so good tonite, then how were we -26 points with him on the floor????

Please help me understand that!!

Please tell me that KG was NOT beyond terrible vs. perhaps the WORST front line in the NBA, the Bobcats.

Thanks,

Smitty77
Title: Re: Calling out KG
Post by: jdz101 on January 16, 2013, 11:33:14 PM
Shoot 38% from the free throw line and most NBA teams will beat you...

Not even mad about this loss.
Title: Re: Calling out KG
Post by: RJ87 on January 16, 2013, 11:33:24 PM
haha funny  >:( This team is a lottery team without KG. And you picked a bad night to call him out. KG had good shooting night leading the Celtics in scoring. As far as the rebounding goes Garnett counterpart Lopez had 6 rebounds, so rebounding point is moot. Celtics lost the game as a collective. The Pelicans outplayed them in every facet of the game.

outcoached also. no coach in his right mind would allow his team to shoot bricks for 48 minutes. insanity. at least try to attack in all ways. something. anything.

Because I'm sure Doc wanted the team to brick jumpers all night... this is what happens when you have a team that relies so much on jumpers - some nights, guys will be off and the offense will stagnate.  Short of suiting up and getting into the game himself, nkt much Doc can do to fix that.

As far as KG, the only real criticism I have actually relates to the first part of my post - I think he settles for jumpers too much. He's SO good when he goes into the paint, but he just doesn't do it enough.
Title: Re: Calling out KG
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on January 16, 2013, 11:39:36 PM
haha funny  >:( This team is a lottery team without KG. And you picked a bad night to call him out. KG had good shooting night leading the Celtics in scoring. As far as the rebounding goes Garnett counterpart Lopez had 6 rebounds, so rebounding point is moot. Celtics lost the game as a collective. The Pelicans outplayed them in every facet of the game.

outcoached also. no coach in his right mind would allow his team to shoot bricks for 48 minutes. insanity. at least try to attack in all ways. something. anything.

Because I'm sure Doc wanted the team to brick jumpers all night... this is what happens when you have a team that relies so much on jumpers - some nights, guys will be off and the offense will stagnate.  Short of suiting up and getting into the game himself, nkt much Doc can do to fix that.

As far as KG, the only real criticism I have actually relates to the first part of my post - I think he settles for jumpers too much. He's SO good when he goes into the paint, but he just doesn't do it enough.

I disagree. you tell them to dribble drive, dish, and cut to the hoop. even post up. get in the paint.
Title: Re: Calling out KG
Post by: Kane3387 on January 16, 2013, 11:40:53 PM
Pierce looked worse in my opinion. Too many threes and just seemed to have no legs.

Then again everyone looked bad after Austin checked in. The body language was some of the worst I had seen. No sense if urgency.

I'm going to be optimistic and say this could be a "good" loss before this upcoming stretch of tough playoff opponents. Hopefully it's a reminder that we can be beat by any and everyone if we don't bring the necessary energy and effort.
Title: Re: Calling out KG
Post by: KGs Knee on January 17, 2013, 12:42:23 AM
Unfortunately, this another one of the C's infamous sand baggings.

Not terribly surprised by this.  After a nice little stretch of success, we happened upon a bad team that juat so happened to be playing well over the last few games.  The C's, predictably, overlooked them with a tough rematch against Chicago Friday.  Sure-fire recipe for a letdown.

This was a team loss without a doubt, though.  KG, Pierce and Rondo are apart of this team, so they are responsible, as is everyone.  Don't be fooled, KG gives half-effort at this point in his career occasionally too.
Title: Re: Calling out KG
Post by: azzenfrost on January 17, 2013, 02:53:04 AM
This isn't calling out KG. This is calling out KG supporters on the Celticsblog forum. While you may be right with all the critical comments, I only have one reply. Would you rather have him on another team playing against the Celtics?
Title: Re: Calling out KG
Post by: mr. dee on January 17, 2013, 03:14:39 AM
If you're gonna blame someone, blame the whole team. Where's the effort? That's right. When they are resorting to lazy passes and long jumpers, there is a 90% chance that we lose, no matter who the team plays.

No Effort, No win.
Title: Re: Calling out KG
Post by: Bahku on January 17, 2013, 03:29:03 AM
Come on man!

KG has been the most consistent contributor for this team on both ends of the court, for this season and last season, without question, and you're going to call him out because he has a bad game or two?!?

Please!

Big Ticket has been huge for us this season, and is highly entitled to a couple of slow games without getting crap for it.

Sorry, I don't usually let things get to me anymore, but this got me a bit peeved, to say the least.

Wow.
Title: Re: Calling out KG
Post by: relja on January 17, 2013, 05:01:50 AM
Your logic when writing the post: Hmmm, who should I call out? I know, the most consistent guy on the team for the last 5 years and the backbone of our defense! ^^
Title: Re: Calling out KG
Post by: alajet on January 17, 2013, 05:05:24 AM
If this was 5-6 years ago, Kevin Garnett could have singlehandedly defeated the opposition, but at 36, it's not happening.
The Hornets are playing better basketball as of late, so, it's not as shocking as it would be if we were to play them and lose a couple of weeks ago. Without bringing in effort, we can't hope to win games and it didn't happen the last night, either.

No reason to dwell on this loss more than any other. The team has got to move on and focus on the Bulls game.
Title: Re: Calling out KG
Post by: 2short on January 17, 2013, 05:38:41 AM
If you're gonna blame someone, blame the whole team. Where's the effort? That's right. When they are resorting to lazy passes and long jumpers, there is a 90% chance that we lose, no matter who the team plays.

No Effort, No win.
yeah this was a team loss, from coaching staff right down
not even sure if it was a loss more than a thrown game
celtics lockerroom, "hey think we can beat these guys if we only try 35% or so?"
"at the least lets try, if  we can't everyone has tonights game off"

game started with bass looking like an all star, anyone who took it to the bucket wasn't met with much defense
keeping it short, next game
Title: Re: Calling out KG
Post by: Bankshot on January 17, 2013, 08:04:24 AM
The Celtics looked good at first, until Doc took Bradley out when his son entered the game.  Looked like he didn't want his son to be defended by Bradley.  Maybe that signaled to the team that winning that game wasn't important.  :-\  They sure played like after a pretty good beginning to the game.

Well, I don't really believe that, but it did cross my mind.
Title: Re: Calling out KG
Post by: pearljammer10 on January 17, 2013, 08:06:19 AM
The Celtics looked good at first, until Doc took Bradley out when his son entered the game.  Looked like he didn't want his son to be defended by Bradley.  Maybe that signaled to the team that winning that game wasn't important.  :-\  They sure played like after a pretty good beginning to the game.

Well, I don't really believe that, but it did cross my mind.

Haha I kept saying all night that Doc was throwing the game to have Austen get the win.
Title: Re: Calling out KG
Post by: pearljammer10 on January 17, 2013, 08:09:30 AM
haha funny  >:( This team is a lottery team without KG. And you picked a bad night to call him out. KG had good shooting night leading the Celtics in scoring. As far as the rebounding goes Garnett counterpart Lopez had 6 rebounds, so rebounding point is moot. Celtics lost the game as a collective. The Pelicans outplayed them in every facet of the game.

outcoached also. no coach in his right mind would allow his team to shoot bricks for 48 minutes. insanity. at least try to attack in all ways. something. anything.

Because I'm sure Doc wanted the team to brick jumpers all night... this is what happens when you have a team that relies so much on jumpers - some nights, guys will be off and the offense will stagnate.  Short of suiting up and getting into the game himself, nkt much Doc can do to fix that.

As far as KG, the only real criticism I have actually relates to the first part of my post - I think he settles for jumpers too much. He's SO good when he goes into the paint, but he just doesn't do it enough.

I disagree. you tell them to dribble drive, dish, and cut to the hoop. even post up. get in the paint.

Yeah I gotta go with you here. Doc's rotations over the 6 game win streak were phenominal. Tonight is was another what are you doing type game? Guys were clanking and you could tell they were tired from something. But he kept with them kept with them.

We couldnt score any baskets in the second half, Terry played a lot of minutes when Lee has been playing better out of the two. Pierce was in for a long stretch of time and only missed, isoed, and made lazy passes. Bradley didnt get enough minutes in my eyes. I mean try Barbosa for a 2 or 3 minutes stretch. He may have been able to end our two 5 minute scoreless streaks or whatever we had.

Poor TEAM effort. Poor coaching by Doc.
Title: Re: Calling out KG
Post by: Smitty77 on January 17, 2013, 08:18:34 AM
Many of you were rather quick to question my "logic" and therefore lost sight of what I was saying.  KG was a +9 and a +11 against two of the teams with the worst front lines in basketball.  That is a FACT.  That is NOT my opinion.  KG looked very old and VERY TIRED vs. Charlotte.  I was unable to see the N.O. game, but I bet he looked the same.  Guys mentioned that he had open lanes to the hoop on 3 to 4 occasions, yet he took his typical fade away jumpers.

I think KG needs some days off.

Do you disagree with that????

Smitty77
Title: Re: Calling out KG
Post by: slamtheking on January 17, 2013, 08:34:07 AM
Many of you were rather quick to question my "logic" and therefore lost sight of what I was saying.  KG was a +9 and a +11 against two of the teams with the worst front lines in basketball.  That is a FACT.  That is NOT my opinion.  KG looked very old and VERY TIRED vs. Charlotte.  I was unable to see the N.O. game, but I bet he looked the same.  Guys mentioned that he had open lanes to the hoop on 3 to 4 occasions, yet he took his typical fade away jumpers.

I think KG needs some days off.

Do you disagree with that????

Smitty77
titling your thread "calling out KG" suggests an attack on him for one reason or another.  now posting a 'clarification' that you think he needs time off is a completely different message.

with Doc doiing the 5-minute spurts for KG, he really shouldn't need time off at this point in the season. 

face it, the whole team stunk last night, not just KG.  I really think if you take another look at that game, you'll find a few other players that are more deserving of being called out for their play.
Title: Re: Calling out KG
Post by: scaryjerry on January 17, 2013, 08:39:18 AM
perfectly reasonable to call out kg...his trademark intensity just isn't there and he's near useless for anything but a long jumper after 5minutes of run...anyone who can't take a little kg criticism?....stop making trade rondo threads everyday
Title: Re: Calling out KG
Post by: pearljammer10 on January 17, 2013, 08:39:52 AM
Many of you were rather quick to question my "logic" and therefore lost sight of what I was saying.  KG was a +9 and a +11 against two of the teams with the worst front lines in basketball.  That is a FACT.  That is NOT my opinion.  KG looked very old and VERY TIRED vs. Charlotte.  I was unable to see the N.O. game, but I bet he looked the same.  Guys mentioned that he had open lanes to the hoop on 3 to 4 occasions, yet he took his typical fade away jumpers.

I think KG needs some days off.

Do you disagree with that????

Smitty77

The open lane plays where he stopped going to the basket killlllled me!
Title: Re: Calling out KG
Post by: scaryjerry on January 17, 2013, 08:43:23 AM
haha funny  >:( This team is a lottery team without KG. And you picked a bad night to call him out. KG had good shooting night leading the Celtics in scoring. As far as the rebounding goes Garnett counterpart Lopez had 6 rebounds, so rebounding point is moot. Celtics lost the game as a collective. The Pelicans outplayed them in every facet of the game.


lottery team without kg huh? haha replace him with a nikola pekovic  and we're nearly the same, cute theory though

no one in the history of the nba gets more credit for carrying a team with such average play.
Title: Re: Calling out KG
Post by: action781 on January 17, 2013, 08:56:40 AM
Come on man!

KG has been the most consistent contributor for this team on both ends of the court, for this season and last season, without question, and you're going to call him out because he has a bad game or two?!?

Please!

Big Ticket has been huge for us this season, and is highly entitled to a couple of slow games without getting crap for it.

Sorry, I don't usually let things get to me anymore, but this got me a bit peeved, to say the least.

Wow.

Thank you.
Title: Re: Calling out KG
Post by: CelticsFan9 on January 17, 2013, 09:41:47 AM
KG wasn't at fault for last night's loss.

He and Bradley are the only two guys who I think give 100% every game.
Title: Re: Calling out KG
Post by: BballTim on January 17, 2013, 10:10:37 AM
haha funny  >:( This team is a lottery team without KG. And you picked a bad night to call him out. KG had good shooting night leading the Celtics in scoring. As far as the rebounding goes Garnett counterpart Lopez had 6 rebounds, so rebounding point is moot. Celtics lost the game as a collective. The Pelicans outplayed them in every facet of the game.

outcoached also. no coach in his right mind would allow his team to shoot bricks for 48 minutes. insanity. at least try to attack in all ways. something. anything.

Because I'm sure Doc wanted the team to brick jumpers all night... this is what happens when you have a team that relies so much on jumpers - some nights, guys will be off and the offense will stagnate.  Short of suiting up and getting into the game himself, nkt much Doc can do to fix that.

As far as KG, the only real criticism I have actually relates to the first part of my post - I think he settles for jumpers too much. He's SO good when he goes into the paint, but he just doesn't do it enough.

I disagree. you tell them to dribble drive, dish, and cut to the hoop. even post up. get in the paint.

  What's the thinking behind this? That the players could easily get to the rim and score, but Doc tells them not to and to just take jumpers? Or that Doc should tell them to force up shots that they aren't comfortable taking (or as open when they take them)?
Title: Re: Calling out KG
Post by: mgent on January 17, 2013, 10:10:38 AM
Impossible to blame this on anything other than FTs.  We took more shots than them AND shot better from the field/3.
Title: Re: Calling out KG
Post by: scaryjerry on January 17, 2013, 11:00:30 AM
KG wasn't at fault for last night's loss.

He and Bradley are the only two guys who I think give 100% every game.

then kgs 100% has changed dramatically. He plays no harder then rondo every night who is constantly criticized. Even danny on a pregame interview had mention of kg not bringing it every night like he use too...sorry but he's more passive then ever this season, his trade mark intensity all but gone and he can only play 5 minutes at a time..his conditioning is apparently weak compared to other old stars Duncan and Kobe. Kg is an elite role player and his worth in the locker room and practice is more valuable at this point then anything he does in the games.