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Title: What you consider is the biggest mistake D.Ainge made since 2007 ?
Post by: vgulab on January 14, 2013, 07:59:23 PM
Feel free to comment and add something if you can thing of. I know many have diffrent opinions so that is why a made a poll.

My choice is not signing Tony Allen, one of my favorite guys not signed also he didn't asked for a lot of money. Ray leaving for noting is also bad but look at that poor scouting especialy oversees scouting where we missed on pretty good not-american players
Title: Re: What you consider is the biggest mistake D.Ainge made since 2007 ?
Post by: lon3lytoaster on January 14, 2013, 08:03:59 PM
JR Giddens. I remember half the forum was split between Bill Walker, DeAndre Jordan and a few people in the Chalmers camp.

The day of the draft Jordan still was projected late lottery, when he was still on the board at 30, pretty sure everyone was shocked we didn't take him.

At that point in time, we could have afforded to have a project on the roster.
Title: Re: What you consider is the biggest mistake D.Ainge made since 2007 ?
Post by: Roy H. on January 14, 2013, 08:10:58 PM
The 2008 off-season in general.  Drafting Giddens, bringing in POB, not finding an adequate replacement for Posey, etc.

Not re-signing Tony was a mistake, especially since our lack of a backup SF caused us to tank our championship hopes by trading Perk.
Title: Re: What you consider is the biggest mistake D.Ainge made since 2007 ?
Post by: BASS_THUMPER on January 14, 2013, 08:25:39 PM
true hobbs
perk was def a part of the core
tony allen not gettin resigned was crazy
also lettin Scalabrine go

Title: Re: What you consider is the biggest mistake D.Ainge made since 2007 ?
Post by: Birdman on January 14, 2013, 08:28:44 PM
Perkins trade...he was a "big" part of our success
Title: Re: What you consider is the biggest mistake D.Ainge made since 2007 ?
Post by: CoachBo on January 14, 2013, 08:35:48 PM
The 2008 off-season was a disaster post-championship.

But I'm not including unloading Perkins' inflated contract as one. Thank God.
Title: Re: What you consider is the biggest mistake D.Ainge made since 2007 ?
Post by: jax_celtsfan on January 14, 2013, 08:36:29 PM
Easily the Giddens pick. That was the one decision that I just could never understand or rationalize, especially looking at the players taken immediately after him.
Title: Re: What you consider is the biggest mistake D.Ainge made since 2007 ?
Post by: AB_Celtic on January 14, 2013, 08:44:14 PM
Can I make a request that you change the last selection so it isn't all one word? That way we can actually see the bars.

(I don't actually know if you can edit poll selections though)
Title: Re: What you consider is the biggest mistake D.Ainge made since 2007 ?
Post by: RebusRankin on January 14, 2013, 08:44:23 PM
Giddens pick. Drafting Pruitt versus Gasol in 07.
Title: Re: What you consider is the biggest mistake D.Ainge made since 2007 ?
Post by: jambr380 on January 14, 2013, 08:53:15 PM
It's always hard to speculate on late round draft picks, but that doesn't totally dismiss blame here for Ainge.

Instead, I went with not trading Ray for Mayo - especially given the season that OJ is having now. I get that we were able to pick up Terry and Lee, but now I have to hate Ray Allen forever, and I didn't want it to end that way.
Title: Re: What you consider is the biggest mistake D.Ainge made since 2007 ?
Post by: vgulab on January 14, 2013, 08:57:06 PM
Can I make a request that you change the last selection so it isn't all one word? That way we can actually see the bars.

(I don't actually know if you can edit poll selections though)

I don't see a edit button,forum managers probably can edit so if someone of those guys read this, please edit the poll so we can see the results. thanks
Title: Re: What you consider is the biggest mistake D.Ainge made since 2007 ?
Post by: Mazingerz on January 14, 2013, 09:01:46 PM
Keeping Jermaine o'Neal. He was lazy and despised by the other players.
Title: Re: What you consider is the biggest mistake D.Ainge made since 2007 ?
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on January 14, 2013, 09:02:03 PM
JR Giddens. I remember half the forum was split between Bill Walker, DeAndre Jordan and a few people in the Chalmers camp.

The day of the draft Jordan still was projected late lottery, when he was still on the board at 30, pretty sure everyone was shocked we didn't take him.

At that point in time, we could have afforded to have a project on the roster.

Nope, 90% were moaning about Chris Douglas-Roberts
Title: Re: What you consider is the biggest mistake D.Ainge made since 2007 ?
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on January 14, 2013, 09:06:06 PM
The 2008 off-season was a disaster post-championship.

But I'm not including unloading Perkins' inflated contract as one. Thank God.

If I had to point to something, it would probably be that one. Though most here would point to not signing Posey, and I say not signing Posey wasn't the problem, but not replacing him. We just didn't have enough vets on that roster that Doc could trust, and ended up with two rookies as back-up SF, hoping that one could contribute, and Doc never gave either the opportunity even with the glaring need we had.

So either Ainge needed to make roster changes or Doc needed to do a better job using the tools he had... I felt both failed on this particular regard.
Title: Re: What you consider is the biggest mistake D.Ainge made since 2007 ?
Post by: Roy H. on January 14, 2013, 09:13:06 PM
Perhaps the biggest mistake of the era -- and this isn't solely on Ainge -- was not getting KG's bone spurs / tendon issue taken care of when it first came up in the pre-season.  The team + KG decided to try to let it heal on its own, and it never did.
Title: Re: What you consider is the biggest mistake D.Ainge made since 2007 ?
Post by: Roy H. on January 14, 2013, 09:14:52 PM
Can I make a request that you change the last selection so it isn't all one word? That way we can actually see the bars.

(I don't actually know if you can edit poll selections though)

Under your member menu in the upper-right, select "wide" to view the results for now.
Title: Re: What you consider is the biggest mistake D.Ainge made since 2007 ?
Post by: Atzar on January 14, 2013, 09:18:52 PM
I agree with the sentiment that Danny didn't do enough to help the team in the offseason following the championship.  The rest of the league got better while we actually got a little worse. 

Regarding specific moves, I generally don't like making judgments of a GM's moves in hindsight, but drafting JR Giddens in the 2008 draft has to be considered a mistake.  If you look back at that draft, it was extremely deep with many very good players.  Giddens was one of only five or six "busts" in that first round.  There were also several very good players who dropped into the second round, including DeAndre, Asik, Pekovic, Chalmers, Mbah a Moute and Dragic. 

Even then, you can see what Ainge liked.  Giddens was a guard with good size and elite athleticism.  He flashed an ability to do a lot of things well, but unfortunately could never do them consistently. 

He could have been a SG/SF version of Bradley, but unfortunately he never adapted to the NBA well enough.  Looked like he never shook the nerves of playing on the biggest stage.  Possibly wasn't smart enough to pick up the system either, though that's admittedly a guess on my part.
Title: Re: What you consider is the biggest mistake D.Ainge made since 2007 ?
Post by: Kiorrik on January 14, 2013, 09:24:22 PM
The 2008 off-season in general.  Drafting Giddens, bringing in POB, not finding an adequate replacement for Posey, etc.

Not re-signing Tony was a mistake, especially since our lack of a backup SF caused us to tank our championship hopes by trading Perk.
Just imagine Bradley & Tony on the court at once...

Makes me weep.
Title: Re: What you consider is the biggest mistake D.Ainge made since 2007 ?
Post by: AB_Celtic on January 14, 2013, 09:30:46 PM
Can I make a request that you change the last selection so it isn't all one word? That way we can actually see the bars.

(I don't actually know if you can edit poll selections though)

Under your member menu in the upper-right, select "wide" to view the results for now.

Thanks
Title: Re: What you consider is the biggest mistake D.Ainge made since 2007 ?
Post by: SHAQATTACK on January 14, 2013, 09:42:00 PM
I would have liked the C's to have Kept Perk till the seasons end. , and then let him walk.

It was a blown chance at a Championship IMO....
Title: Re: What you consider is the biggest mistake D.Ainge made since 2007 ?
Post by: barefacedmonk on January 14, 2013, 09:45:02 PM
I would have liked the C's to have Kept Perk till the seasons end. , and then let him walk.

It was a blown chance at a Championship IMO....

And miss out on Jeff Green and *gulp* Nenad Krstic?!?! Blasphemy! ;)
Title: Re: What you consider is the biggest mistake D.Ainge made since 2007 ?
Post by: CelticHooligan3 on January 14, 2013, 09:50:46 PM
Not trading Ray for Mayo when he had the chance.
Title: Re: What you consider is the biggest mistake D.Ainge made since 2007 ?
Post by: barefacedmonk on January 14, 2013, 09:57:47 PM
Not trading Ray for Mayo when he had the chance.

That deal fell apart. I don't think DA is at fault there. He was ready to move Allen.
Title: Re: What you consider is the biggest mistake D.Ainge made since 2007 ?
Post by: Smutzy#9 on January 14, 2013, 10:07:35 PM
I would have liked the C's to have Kept Perk till the seasons end. , and then let him walk.

It was a blown chance at a Championship IMO....

Perks knee was still bat **** then.
Title: Re: What you consider is the biggest mistake D.Ainge made since 2007 ?
Post by: azzenfrost on January 14, 2013, 10:08:23 PM
Not trading Ray for Mayo when he had the chance.

This.
Title: Re: What you consider is the biggest mistake D.Ainge made since 2007 ?
Post by: BadNewsBarnes on January 14, 2013, 10:09:36 PM
Tough choice between letting TA walk and not dealing Ray for Mayo.  But I'll go with letting TA leave.

I don't think we know all the details on that proposed trade of Ray for Mayo.  There were rumors floating around that KG & Pierce campaigned for them to keep Ray and not make the deal.  Which is why they may feel Ray stabbed them in the back.
Title: Re: What you consider is the biggest mistake D.Ainge made since 2007 ?
Post by: CelticSooner on January 14, 2013, 10:14:23 PM
I don't think many will dispute that Giddens pick. He wasn't even a good college player and it was a definite reach from Ainge.

Title: Re: What you consider is the biggest mistake D.Ainge made since 2007 ?
Post by: TripleOT on January 14, 2013, 10:15:56 PM
Trading Perkins.  I don't buy that the Cs couldn't have gotten value for him in a S and T if he was going elsewhere in the summer.  The starting unit had perfect synergy and would have been a tough playoff out, even with Perk coming off his knee surgery. 

The move balanced up OKC's starting lineup and roster, which has propelled them to the very top of the league, and put a hole in the Cs roster that they still haven't filled.

I'm not going to cherry pick second round picks and say "Ainge should have drafted so and so."  It's fishing in a barrel.  Ainge's second round history has been way better than average, as has his mid and late first round picks.   
Title: Re: What you consider is the biggest mistake D.Ainge made since 2007 ?
Post by: Fafnir on January 14, 2013, 10:18:50 PM
Perhaps the biggest mistake of the era -- and this isn't solely on Ainge -- was not getting KG's bone spurs / tendon issue taken care of when it first came up in the pre-season.  The team + KG decided to try to let it heal on its own, and it never did.
Yeah, though I put that on KG in the end.

The team was begging him to get surgery sooner (Jackie Mac's article I think? Maybe another writer went through it), but he wanted to wait till the playoffs and try to play. A few months would have helped him be just that bit stronger for 09-10.
Title: Re: What you consider is the biggest mistake D.Ainge made since 2007 ?
Post by: barefacedmonk on January 14, 2013, 10:27:49 PM
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As the NBA trade deadline lurched into its final hour a month ago, league sources say the call Ray Allen long feared had come: Boston Celtics coach Doc Rivers was on the line, telling him he had been traded. Allen had been sent to the Memphis Grizzlies for a package including O.J. Mayo and a draft pick, and the Celtics' Big Three had come to a most brusque ending.

For 20 minutes or so, Allen had to process the information. They traded me to Memphis? And yet, as the disappointment dissolved to anger, Rivers returned with a messengerís nightmare: Never mind. The deal fell apart. Take a deep breath and letís go back to work again.

Link (http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--celtics--big-three-nearly-split-at-trade-deadline.html)

DA had pulled the trigger on Ray-Mayo deal. I don't know if the reasons were made public but that deal fell through. You can't blame DA for a failed trade.

Just glad we didn't end up trading the Captain for Okur + lottery pick.

Title: Re: What you consider is the biggest mistake D.Ainge made since 2007 ?
Post by: CelticHooligan3 on January 14, 2013, 10:53:08 PM
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As the NBA trade deadline lurched into its final hour a month ago, league sources say the call Ray Allen long feared had come: Boston Celtics coach Doc Rivers was on the line, telling him he had been traded. Allen had been sent to the Memphis Grizzlies for a package including O.J. Mayo and a draft pick, and the Celtics' Big Three had come to a most brusque ending.

For 20 minutes or so, Allen had to process the information. They traded me to Memphis? And yet, as the disappointment dissolved to anger, Rivers returned with a messengerís nightmare: Never mind. The deal fell apart. Take a deep breath and letís go back to work again.

Link (http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--celtics--big-three-nearly-split-at-trade-deadline.html)

DA had pulled the trigger on Ray-Mayo deal. I don't know if the reasons were made public but that deal fell through. You can't blame DA for a failed trade.

Just glad we didn't end up trading the Captain for Okur + lottery pick.




I was under the impression that the reason the trade fell through was because Danny Ainge took the advice of KG and other vets to keep Ray. And that was also one of the reasons KG took it so personally when Allen left.

In this article Mayo alludes to the fact some Celtics had some input there. If that was the case i think it's Dannys biggest mistake because he should never take any input from players. Their reasoning will always be biased. And in this case he rolled the dice and lost.



http://greenstreet.weei.com/sports/boston/basketball/celtics/2012/12/13/o-j-mayo-wouldve-been-an-honor-to-play-for-celtics/
Title: Re: What you consider is the biggest mistake D.Ainge made since 2007 ?
Post by: LEHGOCELTICS on January 14, 2013, 10:56:41 PM
drafting, drafting, and more drafting, although he's made some nice drafting moves recently.
Title: Re: What you consider is the biggest mistake D.Ainge made since 2007 ?
Post by: Kane3387 on January 14, 2013, 10:57:36 PM
I put missing on guys like deandre Jordan for giddens, etc.

It's nitpicking bc DA has a great track record for drafting late. Yet, out of the options I think it's the worst.

By far is the mishandling of the kg injury in 2008-09 if that's how it went down though.
Title: Re: What you consider is the biggest mistake D.Ainge made since 2007 ?
Post by: celts10 on January 14, 2013, 10:58:47 PM
Mikki Moore
Title: Re: What you consider is the biggest mistake D.Ainge made since 2007 ?
Post by: barefacedmonk on January 14, 2013, 11:08:02 PM
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As the NBA trade deadline lurched into its final hour a month ago, league sources say the call Ray Allen long feared had come: Boston Celtics coach Doc Rivers was on the line, telling him he had been traded. Allen had been sent to the Memphis Grizzlies for a package including O.J. Mayo and a draft pick, and the Celtics' Big Three had come to a most brusque ending.

For 20 minutes or so, Allen had to process the information. They traded me to Memphis? And yet, as the disappointment dissolved to anger, Rivers returned with a messengerís nightmare: Never mind. The deal fell apart. Take a deep breath and letís go back to work again.

Link (http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--celtics--big-three-nearly-split-at-trade-deadline.html)

DA had pulled the trigger on Ray-Mayo deal. I don't know if the reasons were made public but that deal fell through. You can't blame DA for a failed trade.

Just glad we didn't end up trading the Captain for Okur + lottery pick.




I was under the impression that the reason the trade fell through was because Danny Ainge took the advice of KG and other vets to keep Ray. And that was also one of the reasons KG took it so personally when Allen left.

In this article Mayo alludes to the fact some Celtics had some input there. If that was the case i think it's Dannys biggest mistake because he should never take any input from players. Their reasoning will always be biased. And in this case he rolled the dice and lost.



http://greenstreet.weei.com/sports/boston/basketball/celtics/2012/12/13/o-j-mayo-wouldve-been-an-honor-to-play-for-celtics/

I have to assume there was more to it than KG's + PP's input. I mean, Doc had already informed Ray that he was traded to Memphis. Plus, there were talks of Paul Pierce being traded for Okur's expiring contract and a lottery pick. KG and PP must have had some pretty convincing talking points in Ray's favour if that was the reason the deal fell apart.

DA must have asked for their input before he made the final decision to trade Ray, right? He'd be pretty stupid to make a trade, inform the player and then back out of it because the veteran's on the team were against it.

Perhaps reports that Mayo had actually refused to play for our team were indeed true and he was pandering to Boston's media and fans that night?
Title: Re: What you consider is the biggest mistake D.Ainge made since 2007 ?
Post by: indeedproceed on January 14, 2013, 11:11:02 PM
Not drafting a player. Which really means I don't think he's really done a bad job at all.
Title: Re: What you consider is the biggest mistake D.Ainge made since 2007 ?
Post by: PhoSita on January 14, 2013, 11:36:43 PM
I think Danny made the mistake of taking guys in free agency who had a lot of "upside" but who were a bit too injury prone or who were kind of on the old side.  He should have prioritized getting younger and more athletic prior to this off-season.

That really hurt us at times when we were relying on guys like Jermaine O'Neal, Delonte West, and Marquis Daniels.  All valuable when they could play, but they missed a ton of games.  Shaq was old too, but that gamble was worth it, since we were so darned good when he could play.
Title: Re: What you consider is the biggest mistake D.Ainge made since 2007 ?
Post by: xmuscularghandix on January 15, 2013, 12:15:19 AM
Not trading Ray Allen to get something of value when he had the chance.
Title: Re: What you consider is the biggest mistake D.Ainge made since 2007 ?
Post by: Bahku on January 15, 2013, 12:18:03 AM
This one's easy for me ... trading Perk.
Title: Re: What you consider is the biggest mistake D.Ainge made since 2007 ?
Post by: CelticSooner on January 15, 2013, 12:22:11 AM
If Ainge traded Ray who's to say KG doesn't retire at the end of the season? If indeed KG had some input on the whole thing.
Title: Re: What you consider is the biggest mistake D.Ainge made since 2007 ?
Post by: DeeMeds on January 15, 2013, 01:05:26 AM
For me it's easily drafting J.R. Giddens over Deandre Jordan, how do you pass on a guy with as high a ceiling as Jordan late in the first round? That's the ideal place to draft a project.

But since everyone keeps saying the same thing, how about when the Celtics traded the 7th pick in the draft (Randy Foye) for Sebastian Telfair. Rudy Gay was selected at pick 8. Brandon Roy was selected at pick 6 for Portland by Minnesota who got Foye.

Of course, DA did trade into the first round to select Rondo in that draft, but did he really know what he was selecting in Rondo? The idea was for Telfair to start after all.

The blessing in disguise in that deal of course was the Celtics acquired Theo Ratliff in the trade who later became the contract needed for the KG deal.

Need a little bit of luck to be good as a GM.
Title: Re: What you consider is the biggest mistake D.Ainge made since 2007 ?
Post by: fairweatherfan on January 15, 2013, 01:20:35 AM
I wish we'd had DeAndre Jordan on his rookie contract, but I'm glad we don't have him on his current one.

For me, it's failing to resign Tony Allen on the cheap in 2010.  A unit of Rondo, Bradley, TA, Pierce, and KG would be absolutely smothering against nearly any small-ball lineup in the league.  And TA would give us another defender to throw at the superstar wings out there.  He's a piece we've missed.
Title: Re: What you consider is the biggest mistake D.Ainge made since 2007 ?
Post by: 2short on January 15, 2013, 01:33:49 AM
has to be draft picks or not getting an adequate backup for pierce when posey/ta left
i'm fine with not resigning perk or posey for too much money (look at how they did after those contracts)
tony still has the brain farts to this day but has improved, took some time and he could still be at the celtic level (which was good)

danny, doc, kg and pp have extended a 3 year window pretty well, if not for injuries we could have more championships, shaq's 50 year old body would have held up we were easily the best team in nba
Title: Re: What you consider is the biggest mistake D.Ainge made since 2007 ?
Post by: azzenfrost on January 15, 2013, 02:26:29 AM
Kg was gonna play for as long as he could play at a high level. A personal decision on his ability to perform. Not because of some other player.
Title: Re: What you consider is the biggest mistake D.Ainge made since 2007 ?
Post by: ejk3489 on January 15, 2013, 02:42:46 AM
Danny Ainge's over-reliance on aging and/or injury prone players to balance out the Big 4 has been an issue, especially in the 2010 off season.

Letting Tony Allen go and relying on Marquis Daniels to fill the role as the first swingman off the bench was the biggest mistake. After Daniels got injured, the only SF on the roster that could backup Pierce was Von Wafer, which of course led to Danny trading Perkins for Green. Once again, DA put all of his faith into two old, injured players. The fact that he made that move based off the assumption that Shaq and/or JO would be healthy for the playoffs was short-sighted at best.
Title: Re: What you consider is the biggest mistake D.Ainge made since 2007 ?
Post by: lightspeed5 on January 15, 2013, 02:43:27 AM
he didnt trade marshon brooks, he traded the rights to marshon brooks. Theres a difference because he was never going to draft brooks, brooks wasnt on his radar according to everyone.

it was probably a decision between jajuan and chandler parsons.
Title: Re: What you consider is the biggest mistake D.Ainge made since 2007 ?
Post by: LooseCannon on January 15, 2013, 06:43:19 AM
he didnt trade marshon brooks, he traded the rights to marshon brooks. Theres a difference because he was never going to draft brooks, brooks wasnt on his radar according to everyone.

it was probably a decision between jajuan and chandler parsons.

It was reported that the three players Ainge was interested in were JJJ, Reggie Jackson (who had been drafted earlier by OKC), and Jimmy Butler (who was drafted later by Chicago).
Title: Re: What you consider is the biggest mistake D.Ainge made since 2007 ?
Post by: mctyson on January 15, 2013, 06:49:09 AM
Great idea for a thread, TP.

I chose "Not Trading a Player."  Primarily for the Ray situation, because if Danny/Doc knew that Ray was p---ed at them and was gonna leave anyways, regardless of what we offered him, then you have to trade him.  This isn't baseball where you get compensation picks.  We could be sitting here with OJ Mayo and another 1st round talent right now.  Instead, we got nothing and Ray still went to Miami.

I think it is easy to point fingers at a GM for draft mistakes, but they all make them, and fortunately ours makes very, very few.  I can't get all over him for drafting a guy at the end of the 1st round when those players are basically a crap shoot.

Title: Re: What you consider is the biggest mistake D.Ainge made since 2007 ?
Post by: bfrombleacher on January 15, 2013, 07:06:43 AM
It has to be not drafting a player right?

Drafting a player: no Beasleys or Blatches drafted. No impact players drafted but no bad players drafted.

Not trading a player: Ray for Mayo was out of his hands. Also, trading Ray might have meant KG, Pierce retiring.

Signing a player: JG was probably the worst one. But we were so far over the cap it didn't matter I believe. JO sucked but he was meant to be Shaq's backup.

Not signing a player: Tony Allen wanted a bigger role when we had Ray Allen. As for not signing better depth and free agents...we were paying scraps so we could only get scraps.

If we'd gotten players after Giddens or players after Jajuan Johnson, we'd have been in better shape.

We could have had one of Pekovic, Asik, DeAndre Jordan, Douglas Roberts, Dragic and one of Chandler Parsons, Marshon Brookes, Lavoy Allen, Jon Leuer.

But, as others have mentioned, gain some, lose some. We only missed out on a handful of players out of the 30, 40, 50 something viable players left on the board.

He has created one of the, if not the, best locker rooms in the league since 2007. This is not the beginning of the end but the beginning of the beginning. He turned the franchise around.
Title: Re: What you consider is the biggest mistake D.Ainge made since 2007 ?
Post by: celtics2 on January 15, 2013, 07:41:19 AM
Too numerous.
Title: Re: What you consider is the biggest mistake D.Ainge made since 2007 ?
Post by: Bankshot on January 15, 2013, 07:54:31 AM
The 2008 off-season in general.  Drafting Giddens, bringing in POB, not finding an adequate replacement for Posey, etc.

Not re-signing Tony was a mistake, especially since our lack of a backup SF caused us to tank our championship hopes by trading Perk.

I'm going with this. 
Title: Re: What you consider is the biggest mistake D.Ainge made since 2007 ?
Post by: BballTim on January 15, 2013, 08:00:15 AM
For me it's easily drafting J.R. Giddens over Deandre Jordan, how do you pass on a guy with as high a ceiling as Jordan late in the first round? That's the ideal place to draft a project.

But since everyone keeps saying the same thing, how about when the Celtics traded the 7th pick in the draft (Randy Foye) for Sebastian Telfair. Rudy Gay was selected at pick 8. Brandon Roy was selected at pick 6 for Portland by Minnesota who got Foye.

Of course, DA did trade into the first round to select Rondo in that draft, but did he really know what he was selecting in Rondo? The idea was for Telfair to start after all.

The blessing in disguise in that deal of course was the Celtics acquired Theo Ratliff in the trade who later became the contract needed for the KG deal.

Need a little bit of luck to be good as a GM.

  Theo wasn't the blessing in disguise, his contract was the reason for the deal.
Title: Re: What you consider is the biggest mistake D.Ainge made since 2007 ?
Post by: PhoSita on January 15, 2013, 08:03:46 AM
The 2008 off-season in general.  Drafting Giddens, bringing in POB, not finding an adequate replacement for Posey, etc.

Not re-signing Tony was a mistake, especially since our lack of a backup SF caused us to tank our championship hopes by trading Perk.

I'm going with this.

Yeah, I agree with everything Roy said except the one thing about trading Perk ruining the championship hopes.

There were no championship hopes that season without a healthy Shaq.
Title: Re: What you consider is the biggest mistake D.Ainge made since 2007 ?
Post by: bopna on January 15, 2013, 08:05:12 AM
DA ain't perfect...but his viisions were quite obvious, he reached for Giddens which is very baffling because he thought he would be what Bradley is to us now.

But sure wish DA pulled the trigger on the Ray Allen for Mayo deal, but in the end KG and PP vouched for Ray to stay but its pretty obvious since 2010, the first to go in the Big 3 would be Ray, Its annoying that we didn't get anything back for Ray...I will never have any respect for Judas.
Title: Re: What you consider is the biggest mistake D.Ainge made since 2007 ?
Post by: pearljammer10 on January 15, 2013, 08:10:42 AM
I voted for drafting a player, but I could have easily been swayed to not trading a player. However like many said, trading Ray probably would have lost us KG and Pierce. Also, if we traded Ray for Mayo, I would have been ecstatic if we made the deal but this wouldnt have solved our current big man problem.
Title: Re: What you consider is the biggest mistake D.Ainge made since 2007 ?
Post by: slamtheking on January 15, 2013, 08:32:47 AM
I'd say it's primarily his FA signings.  basically the over-reliance on older, injury-prone players to fill out the roster.  that and the reliance on vet-min guys to also be rotation-quality players.  this year for example, our backup centers are again vet-mins in Wilcox and Collins.

Other than this latest offseason and the one where he built the title team, the support behind the primary players has been lacking at best.  this year we're pretty deep (when the support players play to their abilities) and now we're seeing the team we expected this year.  If we had a decent bench from '09 through last year, we probably take another title or 2 even with KG's and Perk's injuries in 09 and 10.
Title: Re: What you consider is the biggest mistake D.Ainge made since 2007 ?
Post by: wdleehi on January 15, 2013, 08:36:41 AM
Too many seasons of "not going all in" with KG, Pierce, Ray and Rondo. 
Title: Re: What you consider is the biggest mistake D.Ainge made since 2007 ?
Post by: sofutomygaha on January 15, 2013, 10:33:45 AM
I think you guys making the Giddens/Jordan case are on point, but everyone is going to miss on most diamonds in the rough and we've had a nice success rate overall. We could equally well fault Ainge for not identifying Jeremy Lin back when he was an unknown everywhere except for Boston, for example.

I think the real mistakes are the ones where you have all the information but you don't act logically on it. Perkins was a case where Ainge made the right choice even though it was brutal. The Jeff Green deal, though, has had bust written all over it from day one. I'm as hopeful as the rest of you to be proven wrong, but so far that looks like a terrible move that defies all reason.
Title: Re: What you consider is the biggest mistake D.Ainge made since 2007 ?
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on January 15, 2013, 10:39:26 AM
Too many seasons of "not going all in" with KG, Pierce, Ray and Rondo.

1 by my count.
Title: Re: What you consider is the biggest mistake D.Ainge made since 2007 ?
Post by: Roy H. on January 15, 2013, 10:42:19 AM
I think you guys making the Giddens/Jordan case are on point, but everyone is going to miss on most diamonds in the rough and we've had a nice success rate overall. We could equally well fault Ainge for not identifying Jeremy Lin back when he was an unknown everywhere except for Boston, for example.

The difference between Jordan and Lin is that Jordan's size, athleticism, and upside was pretty clear to everyone at the time.  The questions were about his basketball IQ and work ethic.  With Lin, there were a lot more unknowns.
Title: Re: What you consider is the biggest mistake D.Ainge made since 2007 ?
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on January 15, 2013, 10:45:26 AM
I think you guys making the Giddens/Jordan case are on point, but everyone is going to miss on most diamonds in the rough and we've had a nice success rate overall. We could equally well fault Ainge for not identifying Jeremy Lin back when he was an unknown everywhere except for Boston, for example.

The difference between Jordan and Lin is that Jordan's size, athleticism, and upside was pretty clear to everyone at the time.  The questions were about his basketball IQ and work ethic.  With Lin, there were a lot more unknowns.

I'd still point out most were moaning about CDR, and not enthusiastic about big man project.
Title: Re: What you consider is the biggest mistake D.Ainge made since 2007 ?
Post by: Fafnir on January 15, 2013, 10:45:55 AM
I think you guys making the Giddens/Jordan case are on point, but everyone is going to miss on most diamonds in the rough and we've had a nice success rate overall. We could equally well fault Ainge for not identifying Jeremy Lin back when he was an unknown everywhere except for Boston, for example.

The difference between Jordan and Lin is that Jordan's size, athleticism, and upside was pretty clear to everyone at the time.  The questions were about his basketball IQ and work ethic.  With Lin, there were a lot more unknowns.
Plus would the C's have played him enough for him to develop?

I mean Jordan took a good 4 years of pretty heavy minutes before he reached even his current level of defensive/team play. And they had to pay him before he even could be trusted in to play in the fourth quarter of tight games.

Tough to say, though clearly it'd be nice to have his length and athleticism.
Title: Re: What you consider is the biggest mistake D.Ainge made since 2007 ?
Post by: Chris on January 15, 2013, 10:46:30 AM
I hate looking back at this stuff, because I think there are so many variables that it is hard to see how things would have really worked out.  But, I have to go with not drafting certain players (that many other teams whiffed on as well). 

To me, that is the only really straightforward mistake.

Just to break down some of the others:

I can't say not signing Posey was a mistake, since KG got hurt in 2009, and after that Posey really did fall off a cliff.

I can't say not signing Allen was a mistake, because I still am not sure he would have been anywhere near as good in Boston as he was in Memphis.  His defense is great, but his lack of discipline would have been a much bigger issue in the C's system than in Memphis. 

Perk trade...well, to me the juries still out.  I think the timing of the trade sucked, but I don't feel like Perk would have made the difference for that team to win a championship, and he likely would have walked after the season anyways.

And so on and so forth.

But, while I can say that I understood passing on D'Andre Jordan at the time.  There is no way to argue against that being a big mistake in hindsight. 
Title: Re: What you consider is the biggest mistake D.Ainge made since 2007 ?
Post by: BballTim on January 15, 2013, 10:53:01 AM
I think you guys making the Giddens/Jordan case are on point, but everyone is going to miss on most diamonds in the rough and we've had a nice success rate overall. We could equally well fault Ainge for not identifying Jeremy Lin back when he was an unknown everywhere except for Boston, for example.

The difference between Jordan and Lin is that Jordan's size, athleticism, and upside was pretty clear to everyone at the time.  The questions were about his basketball IQ and work ethic.  With Lin, there were a lot more unknowns.

I'd still point out most were moaning about CDR, and not enthusiastic about big man project.

  I agree. I remember more calls to draft CDR than anyone else.
Title: Re: What you consider is the biggest mistake D.Ainge made since 2007 ?
Post by: Chris on January 15, 2013, 10:54:38 AM
I think you guys making the Giddens/Jordan case are on point, but everyone is going to miss on most diamonds in the rough and we've had a nice success rate overall. We could equally well fault Ainge for not identifying Jeremy Lin back when he was an unknown everywhere except for Boston, for example.

The difference between Jordan and Lin is that Jordan's size, athleticism, and upside was pretty clear to everyone at the time.  The questions were about his basketball IQ and work ethic.  With Lin, there were a lot more unknowns.

I'd still point out most were moaning about CDR, and not enthusiastic about big man project.

  I agree. I remember more calls to draft CDR than anyone else.

Absolutely true.  We were all wrong on it.  Doesn't mean it wasn't a mistake in hindsight though.

But GMs make mistakes.  I just am not sure why we would be focusing on the mistakes, when Danny has done such a tremendous job overall.
Title: Re: What you consider is the biggest mistake D.Ainge made since 2007 ?
Post by: CelticG1 on January 15, 2013, 11:14:50 AM
I think Tony Allen.

He wasn't a somewhat unknown draft player. He was in our system for years and truly showed his worth in the playoffs. He still didn't manage to get much attention and could have been had for very cheap. Even if he got.injured or didn't live up to expectations it was still a pretty low risk high reward signing.

Plus with Lebron and some other wing players in their prime and an aging Pierce it seemed like a no brainer.

I mean we were paying Jo, Sheed and Terry twice the money. I still don't really get it. We basically tried to sign and trade for Quis for the same numbers and he had same injury history. I don't know
Title: Re: What you consider is the biggest mistake D.Ainge made since 2007 ?
Post by: bdm860 on January 15, 2013, 11:57:03 AM
Itís definitely easier to say:  ďHe should have drafted Player X over YĒ because we know who Danny took and exactly who was still available.

So Iím going to take the easy answer (even though I donít blame him, talent evaluation is tough, for every Deandre Jordan we can probably show a dozen late first round/2nd round 7-foot busts).

But everything else, itís really tough to know the alternatives to what Danny actually did.

Not trading Ray for Mayo is tough, because I donít think any of us are quite sure what happened there, who pulled out, etc.  Also, who knows, we trade for Mayo but then he leaves as a FA at the end of the year anyway (because he doesnít want to come off the bench behind Bradley), so we still end up with nothing, then everybody would be saying we should have kept Ray, we drove him to sign with the Heat!

And everybody always says Doc called Ray and told him he was traded, but according to Ray Allenís version, thatís not what happened and he was never explicitly told he was traded.  Although I know there are other credible versions out there too, it's still tough to know what really happened.

http://espn.go.com/boston/nba/story/_/id/8552139/ray-allen-left-boston-celtics-no-trade-clause-table
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The team was in San Francisco on their West Coast swing when Allen got a call from Ainge at around 12:15 p.m., the afternoon of the trade deadline.

"Danny told me he had a deal on the table for me to go to Memphis for O.J. Mayo and he asked me what I thought," Allen said. "I told him I didn't like it. I told him I didn't want to leave Boston. He said, 'I hope you understand my position.' I said, 'I know you have to build this team for the future, but I'm not happy about it.'"

Allen called his family and instructed them to pack their things. Instead, 45 minutes later Ainge called back to say the deal was off.

And for people who say he didnít sign/acquire a backup, well I always wonder who we should he have signed/traded for?  And who would we have traded to make it happen?  A better 2008 off season, and I the Cís still don't win it all in 2009 (because I assume KG still gets injured).  No bench player is going to make us overcome that.  In any trade we probably would have sent out our 2010 (Bradley) or 2012 (Sullinger or Melo) draft pick, or maybe we get lucky and trade the 2011 pick (JJJ), but then do we get Courtney LeeÖ

A big part of the problem in 2008 though was he waited too long to settle the Posey situation, the other realistic signable options were already off the table.  Who else could we have gotten? Matt Barnes maybe? Sasha Vujacic? Ricky Davis? Pietrus was available at the start but already gone, same with James Jones, thatís about it.  Though I remember hearing the Cís offered the full mid level to Corey Maggette, that was always a pipe dream.

(I based who was available off of this, though no idea if accurate/complete)
http://nbaweblog.com/suns/archive/2008/07/02/2008-nba-free-agents-signings-trades-amp-player-movement-updated-regularly.aspx

We should have re-signed Tony Allen, easy to say now, but I always thought TA would still be the same knucklehead we had here should the Cís have kept him.  Going to Memphis helped him break out.  Staying with the Cís I doubt that happens, doubt he gets the chance to be All-Defense here.  Just like I'm sure there's fans in Golden State saying we should have kept Jeremy Lin.  But had they kept him, he'd probably still be riding their bench and nobody would have ever heard of him.
Title: Re: What you consider is the biggest mistake D.Ainge made since 2007 ?
Post by: LooseCannon on January 15, 2013, 12:53:47 PM
I can't say not signing Posey was a mistake, since KG got hurt in 2009, and after that Posey really did fall off a cliff.

I can't say not signing Allen was a mistake, because I still am not sure he would have been anywhere near as good in Boston as he was in Memphis.  His defense is great, but his lack of discipline would have been a much bigger issue in the C's system than in Memphis. 

Perk trade...well, to me the juries still out.  I think the timing of the trade sucked, but I don't feel like Perk would have made the difference for that team to win a championship, and he likely would have walked after the season anyways.

I'd tie these all together and say that they all come out of the same mindset.  Ainge wasn't going to give Posey a guaranteed fourth year.  Ainge wasn't going to give Tony Allen a guaranteed third year.  And Ainge knew he wasn't going to give Perkins the guaranteed fourth year that Perk was going to get in free agency.

Is the basic strategy of avoiding giving out long, fully guaranteed contracts, especially to non-stars who are aging or have injury risks a bad one?
Title: Re: What you consider is the biggest mistake D.Ainge made since 2007 ?
Post by: droopdog7 on January 15, 2013, 01:01:17 PM
The 2008 off-season in general.  Drafting Giddens, bringing in POB, not finding an adequate replacement for Posey, etc.

Not re-signing Tony was a mistake, especially since our lack of a backup SF caused us to tank our championship hopes by trading Perk.
Just imagine Bradley & Tony on the court at once...

Makes me weep.
I would certainly make you weep on offense too.
Title: Re: What you consider is the biggest mistake D.Ainge made since 2007 ?
Post by: fairweatherfan on January 15, 2013, 01:01:57 PM
I can't say not signing Posey was a mistake, since KG got hurt in 2009, and after that Posey really did fall off a cliff.

I can't say not signing Allen was a mistake, because I still am not sure he would have been anywhere near as good in Boston as he was in Memphis.  His defense is great, but his lack of discipline would have been a much bigger issue in the C's system than in Memphis. 

Perk trade...well, to me the juries still out.  I think the timing of the trade sucked, but I don't feel like Perk would have made the difference for that team to win a championship, and he likely would have walked after the season anyways.

I'd tie these all together and say that they all come out of the same mindset.  Ainge wasn't going to give Posey a guaranteed fourth year.  Ainge wasn't going to give Tony Allen a guaranteed third year.  And Ainge knew he wasn't going to give Perkins the guaranteed fourth year that Perk was going to get in free agency.

Is the basic strategy of avoiding giving out long, fully guaranteed contracts, especially to non-stars who are aging or have injury risks a bad one?

It's not a bad strategy but not every situation is created equal.  Posey was already 31 and starting to break down - it was a bad risk to guarantee him a 4th year at MLE money, and Danny was vindicated for passing on that, I'd say.  Perk was only 27 but coming off a major injury and it looked like we'd need to give him $8-10 mill per to keep him, which was a high price even when healthy.  I'd say that, the trade aside, not resigning him was the right move, but it wasn't as clear-cut as Posey.

But TA was still just 28 and only got about $3.1 mill per for 3 years.  That's peanuts for a quality reserve with his skillset, and a much safer gamble than Perk or Posey - fewer $ and years.  I think Danny dropped the ball on that one.
Title: Re: What you consider is the biggest mistake D.Ainge made since 2007 ?
Post by: Fafnir on January 15, 2013, 01:04:48 PM
The way the Allen saga played out I still think Danny thought Allen would do what Posey did and give the C's every chance to match.

Tony didn't, he got his best offer from Memphis and took it along with eventually more minutes than I thought he'd get. (I assumed they'd keep force feeding Mayo)
Title: Re: What you consider is the biggest mistake D.Ainge made since 2007 ?
Post by: CelticG1 on January 15, 2013, 01:09:56 PM
I can't say not signing Posey was a mistake, since KG got hurt in 2009, and after that Posey really did fall off a cliff.

I can't say not signing Allen was a mistake, because I still am not sure he would have been anywhere near as good in Boston as he was in Memphis.  His defense is great, but his lack of discipline would have been a much bigger issue in the C's system than in Memphis. 

Perk trade...well, to me the juries still out.  I think the timing of the trade sucked, but I don't feel like Perk would have made the difference for that team to win a championship, and he likely would have walked after the season anyways.

I'd tie these all together and say that they all come out of the same mindset.  Ainge wasn't going to give Posey a guaranteed fourth year.  Ainge wasn't going to give Tony Allen a guaranteed third year.  And Ainge knew he wasn't going to give Perkins the guaranteed fourth year that Perk was going to get in free agency.

Is the basic strategy of avoiding giving out long, fully guaranteed contracts, especially to non-stars who are aging or have injury risks a bad one?

It's not a bad strategy but not every situation is created equal.  Posey was already 31 and starting to break down - it was a bad risk to guarantee him a 4th year at MLE money, and Danny was vindicated for passing on that, I'd say.  Perk was only 27 but coming off a major injury and it looked like we'd need to give him $8-10 mill per to keep him, which was a high price even when healthy.  I'd say that, the trade aside, not resigning him was the right move, but it wasn't as clear-cut as Posey.

But TA was still just 28 and only got about $3.1 mill per for 3 years.  That's peanuts for a quality reserve with his skillset, and a much safer gamble than Perk or Posey - fewer $ and years.  I think Danny dropped the ball on that one.

Thank you.

For people saying he wouldn't offer 3rd year because of cap flexibility etc.....it was 3 mil!!
What it came down to is Danny low balling TA and never engaged in serious talks with him.

And don't say TA wanted to start either. He wanted more money/respect. Im sure he wasn't exactly thrilled to go from a major player in the run to the finals to a terrible (at the time) Memphis team. Not to mention he still salivates when talking about the C's
Title: Re: What you consider is the biggest mistake D.Ainge made since 2007 ?
Post by: moiso on January 15, 2013, 01:22:22 PM
I can't say not signing Posey was a mistake, since KG got hurt in 2009, and after that Posey really did fall off a cliff.

I can't say not signing Allen was a mistake, because I still am not sure he would have been anywhere near as good in Boston as he was in Memphis.  His defense is great, but his lack of discipline would have been a much bigger issue in the C's system than in Memphis. 

Perk trade...well, to me the juries still out.  I think the timing of the trade sucked, but I don't feel like Perk would have made the difference for that team to win a championship, and he likely would have walked after the season anyways.

I'd tie these all together and say that they all come out of the same mindset.  Ainge wasn't going to give Posey a guaranteed fourth year.  Ainge wasn't going to give Tony Allen a guaranteed third year.  And Ainge knew he wasn't going to give Perkins the guaranteed fourth year that Perk was going to get in free agency.

Is the basic strategy of avoiding giving out long, fully guaranteed contracts, especially to non-stars who are aging or have injury risks a bad one?

It's not a bad strategy but not every situation is created equal.  Posey was already 31 and starting to break down - it was a bad risk to guarantee him a 4th year at MLE money, and Danny was vindicated for passing on that, I'd say.  Perk was only 27 but coming off a major injury and it looked like we'd need to give him $8-10 mill per to keep him, which was a high price even when healthy.  I'd say that, the trade aside, not resigning him was the right move, but it wasn't as clear-cut as Posey.

But TA was still just 28 and only got about $3.1 mill per for 3 years.  That's peanuts for a quality reserve with his skillset, and a much safer gamble than Perk or Posey - fewer $ and years.  I think Danny dropped the ball on that one.

Thank you.

For people saying he wouldn't offer 3rd year because of cap flexibility etc.....it was 3 mil!!
What it came down to is Danny low balling TA and never engaged in serious talks with him.

And don't say TA wanted to start either. He wanted more money/respect. Im sure he wasn't exactly thrilled to go from a major player in the run to the finals to a terrible (at the time) Memphis team. Not to mention he still salivates when talking about the C's
Starting can be a form of respect.  My least favorite moves were letting TA go, and although I tried to be optomistic I really disliked Rasheed and JO.  They turned out to be pretty bad as well (Although some always argue on Rasheed's behalf).
Title: Re: What you consider is the biggest mistake D.Ainge made since 2007 ?
Post by: CelticG1 on January 15, 2013, 01:36:10 PM
I can't say not signing Posey was a mistake, since KG got hurt in 2009, and after that Posey really did fall off a cliff.

I can't say not signing Allen was a mistake, because I still am not sure he would have been anywhere near as good in Boston as he was in Memphis.  His defense is great, but his lack of discipline would have been a much bigger issue in the C's system than in Memphis. 

Perk trade...well, to me the juries still out.  I think the timing of the trade sucked, but I don't feel like Perk would have made the difference for that team to win a championship, and he likely would have walked after the season anyways.

I'd tie these all together and say that they all come out of the same mindset.  Ainge wasn't going to give Posey a guaranteed fourth year.  Ainge wasn't going to give Tony Allen a guaranteed third year.  And Ainge knew he wasn't going to give Perkins the guaranteed fourth year that Perk was going to get in free agency.

Is the basic strategy of avoiding giving out long, fully guaranteed contracts, especially to non-stars who are aging or have injury risks a bad one?

It's not a bad strategy but not every situation is created equal.  Posey was already 31 and starting to break down - it was a bad risk to guarantee him a 4th year at MLE money, and Danny was vindicated for passing on that, I'd say.  Perk was only 27 but coming off a major injury and it looked like we'd need to give him $8-10 mill per to keep him, which was a high price even when healthy.  I'd say that, the trade aside, not resigning him was the right move, but it wasn't as clear-cut as Posey.

But TA was still just 28 and only got about $3.1 mill per for 3 years.  That's peanuts for a quality reserve with his skillset, and a much safer gamble than Perk or Posey - fewer $ and years.  I think Danny dropped the ball on that one.

Thank you.

For people saying he wouldn't offer 3rd year because of cap flexibility etc.....it was 3 mil!!
What it came down to is Danny low balling TA and never engaged in serious talks with him.

And don't say TA wanted to start either. He wanted more money/respect. Im sure he wasn't exactly thrilled to go from a major player in the run to the finals to a terrible (at the time) Memphis team. Not to mention he still salivates when talking about the C's
Starting can be a form of respect.  My least favorite moves were letting TA go, and although I tried to be optomistic I really disliked Rasheed and JO.  They turned out to be pretty bad as well (Although some always argue on Rasheed's behalf).

Yeah Sheed wasn't fantastic but he really did make up for a lot of it in the playoffs. At the time it seemed like it was either Sheed or McDyess and in hindsight I still take Sheed.

JO was just brutal and injured all the time. At least Sheed played in every game just about. I feel like we went after JO too quickly and didn't realize we could have had Shaq until after the fact. Would be curious who else we could have had.
Title: Re: What you consider is the biggest mistake D.Ainge made since 2007 ?
Post by: Fred Roberts on January 15, 2013, 01:43:07 PM
Not selecting Rudy Gay and not taking a flyer on Marc Gasol. Any 7 ft tall brother of a current 7 ft tall all star who is available to anyone in the mid to late second round is worth a flyer. Gimme a break. Gabe Pruitt?

The Rudy Gay pick was complicated by the need to get rid of LaFrentz, but Danny should have found a way. Telfair was useless.
Title: Re: What you consider is the biggest mistake D.Ainge made since 2007 ?
Post by: DeeMeds on January 15, 2013, 01:46:52 PM
For me it's easily drafting J.R. Giddens over Deandre Jordan, how do you pass on a guy with as high a ceiling as Jordan late in the first round? That's the ideal place to draft a project.

But since everyone keeps saying the same thing, how about when the Celtics traded the 7th pick in the draft (Randy Foye) for Sebastian Telfair. Rudy Gay was selected at pick 8. Brandon Roy was selected at pick 6 for Portland by Minnesota who got Foye.

Of course, DA did trade into the first round to select Rondo in that draft, but did he really know what he was selecting in Rondo? The idea was for Telfair to start after all.

The blessing in disguise in that deal of course was the Celtics acquired Theo Ratliff in the trade who later became the contract needed for the KG deal.

Need a little bit of luck to be good as a GM.

  Theo wasn't the blessing in disguise, his contract was the reason for the deal.

^ Didn't I say that...
Title: Re: What you consider is the biggest mistake D.Ainge made since 2007 ?
Post by: celts10 on January 15, 2013, 02:26:28 PM
Yes, the 2008 off-season.

Sometimes it's hard to believe that even with KG and Powe's injuries, we were 1 game away from playing Cleveland in the Eastern Conference Finals that year. I mentioned Mikki Moore in an earlier post and with good reason, he was absolutely terrible for us. And then we had Starbury, who didn't work out well either.
Title: Re: What you consider is the biggest mistake D.Ainge made since 2007 ?
Post by: CelticSooner on January 15, 2013, 02:45:23 PM
Kg was gonna play for as long as he could play at a high level. A personal decision on his ability to perform. Not because of some other player.

Loyalty is very important to KG. If in fact Ainge did talk to KG about trading Ray you don't think that had a say in his decision to return?




Title: Re: What you consider is the biggest mistake D.Ainge made since 2007 ?
Post by: azzenfrost on January 15, 2013, 02:57:25 PM
In my opinion, Danny Ainge asking for KG's input on a business decision shows respect for his view as one of the leaders of the team. That it was about Ray Allen or any other player is inconsequential.

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On returning to Boston: ďMy No. 1 reason for coming back, obviously, was Doc. Doc being here is huge. I enjoy playing for him. The guys, the city, the fans here are by far the best fans that Iíve ever been a part of, and all that stuck with me ó along with some family motivation and other things of that nature. Ö You want to be in a position where you can still contribute and still give something. I donít know how Danny talked me into three years. Iím enjoying my journey here. I know it sounds lame and kind of cheesy, but coming in here, preparing, doing what I love, all those put together is why Iím here.Ē

On Ray Allenís departure: ďI donít have Rayís number anymore. Iím not trying to communicate with him. Iím just being honest with everybody in here. Itís not that I wish him less than or whatever, itís just what it is. I choose not to. Thatís a choice I personally made. Iím very close to Ray, I know his family, I wish nothing but the best for him and his family, I just made the choice to move on. Thatís all. Iím focusing on J.T., Courtney Lee, the new guys that are here. Ö I wasnít going to come here and answer a bunch of Ray Allen questions. I was going to obviously answer one time, and then focus on whatís right here in this gym and whatís present. Thatís where Iím at.Ē