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Around the League => Around the NBA => Topic started by: rondohondo on January 13, 2013, 10:34:42 AM
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Executives and agents around the league are convinced the Cavaliers won’t do anything to jeopardize their ability to sign a free agent to a max contract during the summer of 2014, when LeBron James can again become a free agent. As fans in Northeast Ohio continue to howl and remain divided about the possibility of his return, more and more people around the league believe there is a strong possibility James will indeed return to Cleveland after next season.
via Jason Lloyd of the Akron Beacon Journal
http://www.hoopsworld.com/growing-belief-lebron-returns-to-cavs/
I don't see it, after living in Miami and most likely winning a few rings it would make no sense. Only way I can see him going back to Cle is if Wade starts to slow down and Miami no longer has a big 3.
Irving + Lebron would be pretty great though.
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Wishful thinking.
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I don't see that at all. I think he would be more hated for it. First he put them through the decision, goes to Miami to win a title or two basically saying the cavs aren't good enough. Then goes back to the cavs? Nah
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2014 is coming around too quickly. If it were 2016 or 2017, maybe ... but I think Wade and Bosh last long enough to keep LeBron in Miami past this free agency opportunity. The next free agency moment could be another matter altogether though.
Also, I think LeBron gives first stab to Miami and Pat Riley to show they can build a post-Wade + post-Bosh team there. Cleveland would be the fall-back if it didn't come together.
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It would help his popularity and change how he's viewed by the league if he went back and won, but I can't imagine him going back after everything that happened.
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Lebron won't leave the Heat until Wade breaks down completely, 2015 or 2016 sounds more likely.
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In my 2k game he ended up a Laker. Now that would be awful.
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Executives and agents around the league are convinced the Cavaliers won’t do anything to jeopardize their ability to sign a free agent to a max contract during the summer of 2014, when LeBron James can again become a free agent. As fans in Northeast Ohio continue to howl and remain divided about the possibility of his return, more and more people around the league believe there is a strong possibility James will indeed return to Cleveland after next season.
via Jason Lloyd of the Akron Beacon Journal
http://www.hoopsworld.com/growing-belief-lebron-returns-to-cavs/
I don't see it, after living in Miami and most likely winning a few rings it would make no sense. Only way I can see him going back to Cle is if Wade starts to slow down and Miami no longer has a big 3.
Irving + Lebron would be pretty great though.
1 ring, singular... no more.
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I think he will go back to Cleveland. He dont want to be hated all his life there. Plus i just dont think Wade will play too long anyways.
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How would Irving and Lebron be great? Maybe if Irving redefines his game to being a spot up shooter and capable defender, otherwise it would be a disaster
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How would Irving and Lebron be great? Maybe if Irving redefines his game to being a spot up shooter and capable defender, otherwise it would be a disaster
Is wade a spot up shooter? Irving is just as good of a play maker as Wade and a better shooter.
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How would Irving and Lebron be great? Maybe if Irving redefines his game to being a spot up shooter and capable defender, otherwise it would be a disaster
Is wade a spot up shooter? Irving is just as good of a play maker as Wade and a better shooter.
exactly. Add to that Waiters and Andy Varejao and you have a team with Lebron that would be as strong as the Heat are now possibly.
I think he goes back to Cleveland. It would do wonders for his legacy and for the league.
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worst possible outcome , LBJ is on LA with Howard &CP3
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He wont ask for a huge money making contract cause he has enough now to last him for life..with that, Cleveland can go out a sign a couple of great players to help him. But who wants to play in Cleveland?
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worst possible outcome , LBJ is on LA with Howard &CP3
I stll think CP and Howard will sign with Dallas
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I don't see that at all. I think he would be more hated for it. First he put them through the decision, goes to Miami to win a title or two basically saying the cavs aren't good enough. Then goes back to the cavs? Nah
I don't follow this. Who would hate LeBron for returning home, literally? Guy's entitled to grow up, and make amends.
The only haters would Miamians, the nation's softest sports fans...
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Hard to picture it playing out this way. Miami and Pat Riley let Lebron expire and walk away. What star could they sign that year to take his place? It would have to be pre-orchestrated, kinda like Miami's last move :P
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How would Irving and Lebron be great? Maybe if Irving redefines his game to being a spot up shooter and capable defender, otherwise it would be a disaster
Is wade a spot up shooter? Irving is just as good of a play maker as Wade and a better shooter.
Nope and wade and Lebron were never an ideal fit for this reason...wade is far superior to kyrie athletically, defensively, kyrie is a great shooter after dribbling around the duration of the shot clock and frankly I'm starting to get sick of how overrated he is...he's had no impacts on wins, better than wade? Ha....he's not Derrick rose people.
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Lebron never wanted to leave, he just didn't see a way for Cleveland to build a winner around him so he had to leave. I think he always thought he would go back and end his career in Cleveland.
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He has lived most his life in that area. I can definitely see him going back there.
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I don't see that at all. I think he would be more hated for it. First he put them through the decision, goes to Miami to win a title or two basically saying the cavs aren't good enough. Then goes back to the cavs? Nah
I don't follow this. Who would hate LeBron for returning home, literally? Guy's entitled to grow up, and make amends.
The only haters would Miamians, the nation's softest sports fans...
It depends on when he goes back. If he plays out his prime elsewhere and wants to finish out his career in Cleveland they should boo him every time he touches the ball.
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How would Irving and Lebron be great? Maybe if Irving redefines his game to being a spot up shooter and capable defender, otherwise it would be a disaster
Is wade a spot up shooter? Irving is just as good of a play maker as Wade and a better shooter.
Nope and wade and Lebron were never an ideal fit for this reason...wade is far superior to kyrie athletically, defensively, kyrie is a great shooter after dribbling around the duration of the shot clock and frankly I'm starting to get sick of how overrated he is...he's had no impacts on wins, better than wade? Ha....he's not Derrick rose people.
Wade Rookie: 16.2 pts 4 RPG 4.5 AST 3.21 TO
Rose Rookie: 16.8 pts 3.9 RBS 6.3 AST 2.49 TO
Irving Rookie: 18.5 pts 3.7 rbs 5.4 ast 3.14 TO
Overated?????? Id say he is in pretty good company when comparing to those guys rookie seasons?
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I don't see that at all. I think he would be more hated for it. First he put them through the decision, goes to Miami to win a title or two basically saying the cavs aren't good enough. Then goes back to the cavs? Nah
I don't follow this. Who would hate LeBron for returning home, literally? Guy's entitled to grow up, and make amends.
The only haters would Miamians, the nation's softest sports fans...
James basically told the Cavs you arent good enough for me to win a championship. So Im going to leave win won, maybe a couple, and then return to finish out my career on cruise control.
If I was a Cavs fan I wouldnt like that very much.
That would be like Pierce signing with the Lakers in his prime to win a couple then come back to Boston because he "loved the city" or something like that.
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I don't see that at all. I think he would be more hated for it. First he put them through the decision, goes to Miami to win a title or two basically saying the cavs aren't good enough. Then goes back to the cavs? Nah
I don't follow this. Who would hate LeBron for returning home, literally? Guy's entitled to grow up, and make amends.
The only haters would Miamians, the nation's softest sports fans...
James basically told the Cavs you arent good enough for me to win a championship. So Im going to leave win won, maybe a couple, and then return to finish out my career on cruise control.
If I was a Cavs fan I wouldnt like that very much.
That would be like Pierce signing with the Lakers in his prime to win a couple then come back to Boston because he "loved the city" or something like that.
And he was right.
Pierce was ready to ask for a trade before they brought in Ray and KG.
The Cavs never brought a single player of that status (and close enough to their prime play)
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I don't see that at all. I think he would be more hated for it. First he put them through the decision, goes to Miami to win a title or two basically saying the cavs aren't good enough. Then goes back to the cavs? Nah
I don't follow this. Who would hate LeBron for returning home, literally? Guy's entitled to grow up, and make amends.
The only haters would Miamians, the nation's softest sports fans...
James basically told the Cavs you arent good enough for me to win a championship. So Im going to leave win won, maybe a couple, and then return to finish out my career on cruise control.
If I was a Cavs fan I wouldnt like that very much.
That would be like Pierce signing with the Lakers in his prime to win a couple then come back to Boston because he "loved the city" or something like that.
And he was right.
Pierce was ready to ask for a trade before they brought in Ray and KG.
The Cavs never brought a single player of that status (and close enough to their prime play)
Not saying he wasnt right, just saying if I was a Cavs fan I wouldn't want him back after that debacle.
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How would Irving and Lebron be great? Maybe if Irving redefines his game to being a spot up shooter and capable defender, otherwise it would be a disaster
Is wade a spot up shooter? Irving is just as good of a play maker as Wade and a better shooter.
Nope and wade and Lebron were never an ideal fit for this reason...wade is far superior to kyrie athletically, defensively, kyrie is a great shooter after dribbling around the duration of the shot clock and frankly I'm starting to get sick of how overrated he is...he's had no impacts on wins, better than wade? Ha....he's not Derrick rose people.
Not being an ideal fit and it being a "disaster" are a huge difference.
Kyrie is only a good shooter after dribbling out the shot clock? What?
That's fine if you think he is overrated or if you don't think a team consisting of Lebron and Irving would be a favorite but at least be realistic with what you are saying.
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I could see this happening. At the same time, I don't think it makes a lot of sense to buy into reports this early. Weren't we told that Lebron was a lock for the Knicks or the Nets?
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Nope and wade and Lebron were never an ideal fit for this reason...wade is far superior to kyrie athletically, defensively, kyrie is a great shooter after dribbling around the duration of the shot clock and frankly I'm starting to get sick of how overrated he is...he's had no impacts on wins, better than wade? Ha....he's not Derrick rose people.
I would take Kyrie Irving over D-Rose any day of the week. D-Rose is incredibly overrated (not saying he isn't a GOOD basketball player, but he is NOT an MVP-caliber player). The fact that the Bulls are doing so well in his absence is proof that he was not the most valuable player on that team.
Irving is still young and unpolished, but is already better than D-Rose was as a rookie.
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Nope and wade and Lebron were never an ideal fit for this reason...wade is far superior to kyrie athletically, defensively, kyrie is a great shooter after dribbling around the duration of the shot clock and frankly I'm starting to get sick of how overrated he is...he's had no impacts on wins, better than wade? Ha....he's not Derrick rose people.
I would take Kyrie Irving over D-Rose any day of the week. D-Rose is incredibly overrated (not saying he isn't a GOOD basketball player, but he is NOT an MVP-caliber player). The fact that the Bulls are doing so well in his absence is proof that he was not the most valuable player on that team.
Irving is still young and unpolished, but is already better than D-Rose was as a rookie.
Lol@taking kyrie Irving over Derrick rose...that guy who after 3 years in the league won an MVP, led his team to the playoffs every year and prohibitive favorites before his injury, the best record and the conference finals on a franchise that had done nothing since Jordan...lol@ taking a guy who hasn't had an impact on wins over d rose. Is jj reddick better then Lebron too?
Irving is pretty polished actually...rose changed a culture and won an mvp and wasn't nearly polished at all. Irving isn't an mvp, isn't a culture changer, he's a nice cute little player with a nice jump shot.
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Nope and wade and Lebron were never an ideal fit for this reason...wade is far superior to kyrie athletically, defensively, kyrie is a great shooter after dribbling around the duration of the shot clock and frankly I'm starting to get sick of how overrated he is...he's had no impacts on wins, better than wade? Ha....he's not Derrick rose people.
I would take Kyrie Irving over D-Rose any day of the week. D-Rose is incredibly overrated (not saying he isn't a GOOD basketball player, but he is NOT an MVP-caliber player). The fact that the Bulls are doing so well in his absence is proof that he was not the most valuable player on that team.
Irving is still young and unpolished, but is already better than D-Rose was as a rookie.
Lol@taking kyrie Irving over Derrick rose...that guy who after 3 years in the league won an MVP, led his team to the playoffs every year and prohibitive favorites before his injury, the best record and the conference finals on a franchise that had done nothing since Jordan...lol@ taking a guy who hasn't had an impact on wins over d rose. Is jj reddick better then Lebron too?
Irving is pretty polished actually...rose changed a culture and won an mvp and wasn't nearly polished at all. Irving isn't an mvp, isn't a culture changer, he's a nice cute little player with a nice jump shot.
I think you are underselling Kyrie Irving. He had a rookie season that is right up there with the all time best rookie season for a PG. It was the best when you look at totals, efficiency, etc. probably since Magic.
And if you put Lebron on the Cavs right now with Irving, Varejao, Thompson, Waiters, Zeller, etc. I would think that team would be one of the favorites in the East if not the team to beat.
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Nope and wade and Lebron were never an ideal fit for this reason...wade is far superior to kyrie athletically, defensively, kyrie is a great shooter after dribbling around the duration of the shot clock and frankly I'm starting to get sick of how overrated he is...he's had no impacts on wins, better than wade? Ha....he's not Derrick rose people.
I would take Kyrie Irving over D-Rose any day of the week. D-Rose is incredibly overrated (not saying he isn't a GOOD basketball player, but he is NOT an MVP-caliber player). The fact that the Bulls are doing so well in his absence is proof that he was not the most valuable player on that team.
Irving is still young and unpolished, but is already better than D-Rose was as a rookie.
Lol@taking kyrie Irving over Derrick rose...that guy who after 3 years in the league won an MVP, led his team to the playoffs every year and prohibitive favorites before his injury, the best record and the conference finals on a franchise that had done nothing since Jordan...lol@ taking a guy who hasn't had an impact on wins over d rose. Is jj reddick better then Lebron too?
Irving is pretty polished actually...rose changed a culture and won an mvp and wasn't nearly polished at all. Irving isn't an mvp, isn't a culture changer, he's a nice cute little player with a nice jump shot.
I think you are underselling Kyrie Irving. He had a rookie season that is right up there with the all time best rookie season for a PG. It was the best when you look at totals, efficiency, etc. probably since Magic.
And if you put Lebron on the Cavs right now with Irving, Varejao, Thompson, Waiters, Zeller, etc. I would think that team would be one of the favorites in the East if not the team to beat.
but without LeBron they're a lottery team?put LeBron on any team and they're the team to beat.put a healtjy rose instead of Irving, you're a top seed as opposed to a lottery team...don't see the debate and until kyrie can win I don't care about his numbers..what rose did as a rookie in the playoffs= more impressive..
Irving nice little shooter and all star talent.. rose an athletic specimen franchise changing hall of fame talent
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If the Cavs can develop their young talent and Dwyane Wade continues to physically decline then I can definitely see him going home.
As good as Miami is, without LeBron, they're probably no more then a playoff team exiting the first round.
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put a healtjy rose instead of Irving, you're a top seed as opposed to a lottery team
Rose isn't getting the current Cavs roster (minus Irving) to the playoffs, let alone a top seed. No way.
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put a healtjy rose instead of Irving, you're a top seed as opposed to a lottery team
Rose isn't getting the current Cavs roster (minus Irving) to the playoffs. No way.
absolutely does if only an 8 seed
rose is a franchise changing talent, Irving is a nice player
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put a healtjy rose instead of Irving, you're a top seed as opposed to a lottery team
Rose isn't getting the current Cavs roster (minus Irving) to the playoffs. No way.
absolutely does if only an 8 seed
rose is a franchise changing talent, Irving is a nice player
Well, at least you've backed off on your "top seed" argument.
They're both franchise players, you just haven't watched enough Cavs games. Irving was the best "clutch" player in the NBA last year, and his scoring + efficiency was the highest for any rookie since Tim Duncan, and the highest for a guard since Michael Jordan. Very impressive.
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put a healtjy rose instead of Irving, you're a top seed as opposed to a lottery team
Rose isn't getting the current Cavs roster (minus Irving) to the playoffs. No way.
absolutely does if only an 8 seed
rose is a franchise changing talent, Irving is a nice player
Well, at least you've backed off on your "top seed" argument.
They're both franchise players, you just haven't watched enough Cavs games. Irving was the best "clutch" player in the NBA last year, and his scoring + efficiency was the highest for any rookie since Tim Duncan, and the highest for a guard since Michael Jordan. Very impressive.
but if he had the athletic prowess of LeBron or rose (or Jordan) or was as big as Duncan he'd be a franchise changing talent..he's about as athletic as mo Williams no one is debating he's a great little efficient shooter, rose clearly can't touch him in that regard.
was Mark price better than Jordan?
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put a healtjy rose instead of Irving, you're a top seed as opposed to a lottery team
Rose isn't getting the current Cavs roster (minus Irving) to the playoffs. No way.
absolutely does if only an 8 seed
rose is a franchise changing talent, Irving is a nice player
Well, at least you've backed off on your "top seed" argument.
They're both franchise players, you just haven't watched enough Cavs games. Irving was the best "clutch" player in the NBA last year, and his scoring + efficiency was the highest for any rookie since Tim Duncan, and the highest for a guard since Michael Jordan. Very impressive.
but if he had the athletic prowess of LeBron or rose he'd be a franchise changing talent..he's about as athletic as mo Williams no one is debating he's a great little efficient shooter, rose clearly can't touch him in that regard
Do franchise players need to be super athletic?
The fact that Irving lacks Rose's athleticism doesn't limit him in any way. He's an amazing shooter, has great instincts, doesn't shrink under pressure, and is possibly the best ball-handler in the NBA.
I again question how much you've seen Kyrie Irving, if you're comparing him to Mark Price (and presumably, Rose to Michael Jordan). I'm pretty sure Price couldn't do this at 20 years old:
(http://cdn2.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1117215/IrvingWow2.gif)
or this:
(http://i39.tinypic.com/25qdwms.gif)(http://i42.tinypic.com/20rplyf.gif)
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put a healtjy rose instead of Irving, you're a top seed as opposed to a lottery team
Rose isn't getting the current Cavs roster (minus Irving) to the playoffs. No way.
absolutely does if only an 8 seed
rose is a franchise changing talent, Irving is a nice player
Well, at least you've backed off on your "top seed" argument.
They're both franchise players, you just haven't watched enough Cavs games. Irving was the best "clutch" player in the NBA last year, and his scoring + efficiency was the highest for any rookie since Tim Duncan, and the highest for a guard since Michael Jordan. Very impressive.
but if he had the athletic prowess of LeBron or rose he'd be a franchise changing talent..he's about as athletic as mo Williams no one is debating he's a great little efficient shooter, rose clearly can't touch him in that regard
Do franchise players need to be super athletic?
The fact that Irving lacks Rose's athleticism doesn't limit him in any way. He's an amazing shooter, has great instincts, doesn't shrink under pressure, and is possibly the best ball-handler in the NBA.
Its going to limit his defense and rebounding impact. But his shooting also opens up things for him that Rose doesn't have. He's a PG anyways, you can live with defensive and rebounding issues at that position.
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kyrie is good don't take it like I'm saying he isn't...his only chance to be better than rose is if rose never fully recovers...I've seen all the gifs you just posted and many of his games...not a franchise changer on the rose level who was making LeBron like impact in his first few years, his team even stays in the hunt because they know they can do real damage when he returns healthy.
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kyrie is good don't take it like I'm saying he isn't...his only chance to be better than rose is if rose never fully recovers...I've seen all the gifs you just posted and many of his games...not a franchise changer on the rose level who was making LeBron like impact in his first few years, his team even stays in the hunt because they know they can do real damage when he returns healthy.
Rose wasn't/isn't close to LeBron like impact though.
The reason the Bulls stay in the hunt without him is that they have a really good defensive and rebounding team, things that don't really depend on Rose. We've seen plenty the past two years to realize that right?
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In 6 years Kyrie will be a dominant PG, a perenial All-Star, and only 26 years old. At the same time Lebron will be 34 years old, Wade will be 36 and most likely done due to the way he relies on his athleticism. Do you think if The Cavs offered Miami a 26 year old All-Star PG for a 34 year old Lebron James the Heat would take it?
How would Lebron winning 3-4 more rings in that period affect their answer?
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kyrie is good don't take it like I'm saying he isn't...his only chance to be better than rose is if rose never fully recovers...I've seen all the gifs you just posted and many of his games...not a franchise changer on the rose level who was making LeBron like impact in his first few years, his team even stays in the hunt because they know they can do real damage when he returns healthy.
So number 1 picks reach their ceilings at age 20?
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Nope and wade and Lebron were never an ideal fit for this reason...wade is far superior to kyrie athletically, defensively, kyrie is a great shooter after dribbling around the duration of the shot clock and frankly I'm starting to get sick of how overrated he is...he's had no impacts on wins, better than wade? Ha....he's not Derrick rose people.
I would take Kyrie Irving over D-Rose any day of the week. D-Rose is incredibly overrated (not saying he isn't a GOOD basketball player, but he is NOT an MVP-caliber player). The fact that the Bulls are doing so well in his absence is proof that he was not the most valuable player on that team.
Irving is still young and unpolished, but is already better than D-Rose was as a rookie.
Lol@taking kyrie Irving over Derrick rose...that guy who after 3 years in the league won an MVP, led his team to the playoffs every year and prohibitive favorites before his injury, the best record and the conference finals on a franchise that had done nothing since Jordan...lol@ taking a guy who hasn't had an impact on wins over d rose. Is jj reddick better then Lebron too?
Irving is pretty polished actually...rose changed a culture and won an mvp and wasn't nearly polished at all. Irving isn't an mvp, isn't a culture changer, he's a nice cute little player with a nice jump shot.
I think you are underselling Kyrie Irving. He had a rookie season that is right up there with the all time best rookie season for a PG. It was the best when you look at totals, efficiency, etc. probably since Magic.
And if you put Lebron on the Cavs right now with Irving, Varejao, Thompson, Waiters, Zeller, etc. I would think that team would be one of the favorites in the East if not the team to beat.
but without LeBron they're a lottery team?put LeBron on any team and they're the team to beat.put a healtjy rose instead of Irving, you're a top seed as opposed to a lottery team...don't see the debate and until kyrie can win I don't care about his numbers..what rose did as a rookie in the playoffs= more impressive..
Irving nice little shooter and all star talent.. rose an athletic specimen franchise changing hall of fame talent
They aren't exactly healthy. It is hard to gauge how good the Cavs really are when they haven't been able to field a healthy squad between Kyrie and Andy (not to mention Boobie and Waiters).
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kyrie is good don't take it like I'm saying he isn't...his only chance to be better than rose is if rose never fully recovers...I've seen all the gifs you just posted and many of his games...not a franchise changer on the rose level who was making LeBron like impact in his first few years, his team even stays in the hunt because they know they can do real damage when he returns healthy.
Rose wasn't/isn't close to LeBron like impact though.
The reason the Bulls stay in the hunt without him is that they have a really good defensive and rebounding team, things that don't really depend on Rose. We've seen plenty the past two years to realize that right?
sure he is, LeBrons Cavs teams were great defensively with or without him...they're culture changers. in his first 3years rose had every single bit the LeBron impact in his first 3years, if not more..Cavs were middle of the pack playoff teams then and the bulls had the best record and a tougher road
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kyrie is good don't take it like I'm saying he isn't...his only chance to be better than rose is if rose never fully recovers...I've seen all the gifs you just posted and many of his games...not a franchise changer on the rose level who was making LeBron like impact in his first few years, his team even stays in the hunt because they know they can do real damage when he returns healthy.
Rose wasn't/isn't close to LeBron like impact though.
The reason the Bulls stay in the hunt without him is that they have a really good defensive and rebounding team, things that don't really depend on Rose. We've seen plenty the past two years to realize that right?
sure he is, LeBrons Cavs teams were great defensively with or without him...they're culture changers. in his first 3years rose had every single bit the LeBron impact in his first 3years, if not more..Cavs were middle of the pack playoff teams then and the bulls had the best record and a tougher road
Leadership is important, but Deng/Noah/Asik/Brewer/Bogans/etc... are good defensive players playing for a great defensive coach.
Rose had team success propelled by a fantastic defense/rebounding cast and the inflated rep and "storyline" MVP for it.
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kinda sounds like the beginning of LeBrons career!
with that I said I'll be the first to admit I'm wrong if kyrie turns around the Cavs next year and going forward and it more than likely won't be with LeBron..sorry for the thread hijacking!
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Lebron is cheating! this is part of his plan all along!, get a ring or two in Miami, have the Cavs rebuild while he's gone then come back! lol
but yea, a roster with Kyrie, and Lebron is kinda scary
now that they drafted Waiters who also very good.
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After all that jersey burning...I don't know.