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Title: Rondo outplayed in 5 of last 7 games
Post by: Smitty77 on January 12, 2013, 01:12:39 AM
Rondo has been outplayed by opposing PG's in 5 of the last 7 games and one was close to a tie.

All of these are efficiency ratings from popcornmachine.net

1. Lin outplayed him 19 to 14
2. Dragis outplay him 13 to 5
3. Rondo was a +24, but Teague was +16 and Lou was a +26.  This could be called a tie.
4. +23 vs. Indy.  Dominated!!!!
5. Conley dominated Rondo 29 to 12.
6. Isiah Thomas dominated Rondo 29 to 10.
7. Chris Paul outplayed RR 12 to 9.

What has happened to Rondo of late??  It seems that since the "STREAK" ended he is playing half-heartedly and seemingly disinterested. 

Thoughts??

$11 million this season is a LOT to play for someone that seems to take off large chunks of the season to me!!!!!

Any insight on this would be greatly appreciated!!! 

I know that he is leading the league in assists.  In this stretch he averaged only 8.4 assists (sounds silly, but well off his season's pace!!) and 3.86 turnovers.  That is only slightly over a 2 to 1 ratio.  This too is well of his season's pace to this point!!

What make this so frustrating is that Rondo can be one of the five most dominant players in this league IF he puts his mind to it.  Where has his mind been?? 

I know that we have won five in a row and all, but Rondo was suspended for one of those, was outplayed in 2 of those, and some might argue that he was virtually tied in the Atlanta win.  He only dominated his position in one of those five wins.

Thoughts?

Smitty77
Title: Re: Rondo outplayed in 5 of last 7 games
Post by: esel1000 on January 12, 2013, 01:13:51 AM
To be fair I'm pretty sure he's still getting over an injury
Title: Re: Rondo outplayed in 5 of last 7 games
Post by: Lord of Mikawa on January 12, 2013, 01:17:51 AM
I'd rather a strong group effort over one guy putting up big numbers or playing hero ball and we lose as a result of that.
Title: Re: Rondo outplayed in 5 of last 7 games
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on January 12, 2013, 01:18:49 AM
Not concerned at all....aren't we winning?

And he's still the leader of this team.

I personally don't care if Rondo is outplayed in the next 20 games...as long as we win the vast majority of those games he's doing his job.

Playoff Rondo is coming soon enough.
Title: Re: Rondo outplayed in 5 of last 7 games
Post by: Fafnir on January 12, 2013, 01:18:50 AM
The real problem you're having is that you're looking at the efficiency stat. Its garbage.
Title: Re: Rondo outplayed in 5 of last 7 games
Post by: Smitty77 on January 12, 2013, 01:22:55 AM
How about a pedestrian 2 to 1 assist to turnover ratio??  That is MORE than efficiency rating!!!
Title: Re: Rondo outplayed in 5 of last 7 games
Post by: KGs Knee on January 12, 2013, 01:25:17 AM
I'd rather a strong group effort over one guy putting up big numbers or playing hero ball and we lose as a result of that.

Nothing could be more true.  This is how sports (ANY SPORT) are meant to be played.

TP
Title: Re: Rondo outplayed in 5 of last 7 games
Post by: Fafnir on January 12, 2013, 01:27:15 AM
How about a pedestrian 2 to 1 assist to turnover ratio??  That is MORE than efficiency rating!!!
His season overall average is 3 to 1, going down to 2 to 1 for a stretch isn't a surprise. Especially when he's dominating the ball less and shooting a bit more.

He's playing better defense which is probably more important to our current winning streak. Our overall number of assists as a team have held steady at around our season average as well.
Title: Re: Rondo outplayed in 5 of last 7 games
Post by: Fafnir on January 12, 2013, 01:33:03 AM
I do think there is some concern about our starting unit the past few games. So far it hasn't produced very well for us.

I think that is more what's going on than Rondo's individual play.
Title: Re: Rondo outplayed in 5 of last 7 games
Post by: ScottHow on January 12, 2013, 01:34:19 AM
I still think he's dealing with that injury a bit and we are winning, so I'm good.

He will be back to his normal self soon enough.
Title: Re: Rondo outplayed in 5 of last 7 games
Post by: KGs Knee on January 12, 2013, 01:38:37 AM
I do think there is some concern about our starting unit the past few games. So far it hasn't produced very well for us.

I think that is more what's going on than Rondo's individual play.

KG and Pierce pretty much exclusively take jump shots (particularly the last few games).  Rondo plays his most minutes with them, and passes the ball to them more than any other player.

Pierce went 2.5 games without a free throw attempt.  Dead giveaway he's not playing aggressive (dogging it somewhat).  Pierce has been money with the 3 lately, though, so he has been able to get away with it.
Title: Re: Rondo outplayed in 5 of last 7 games
Post by: timobusa on January 12, 2013, 01:52:05 AM
I agree. I'll take a team win over monster games triple doubles but lose.

I think Rondo has been watching/learning how his teammates play, and is playing to their strengths.

If you watch the games closely you will see that he is letting AB call plays, and even CLEE. He's not pounding the ball on the top of the key as much anymore.
Tons of ball movement.

I think he's called a great game on a calling plays standpoint.

I think its a good thing.
Chemistry is building.

And lest we forget, Regular season Rondo is nothing compared to Playoffs Rondo.
Title: Re: Rondo outplayed in 5 of last 7 games
Post by: Mazingerz on January 12, 2013, 01:52:55 AM
I see a lot of this types of threads recently. People want to trade Rondo, portray him as a bad guy (which he isnt - per his team mates).

Be careful what you wish for, if Rondo was traded and replaced. We will lose all of this momentum.
Title: Re: Rondo outplayed in 5 of last 7 games
Post by: GrandTheftRondo on January 12, 2013, 01:56:18 AM
This couldn't have been posted in one of the other multiple Rondo sucks threads?

Its becoming overkill at this point.
Title: Re: Rondo outplayed in 5 of last 7 games
Post by: barefacedmonk on January 12, 2013, 01:56:36 AM
Why is Rondo all of a sudden seen as a problem or a dispensable player? Besides KG and PP he is still the most important player on this team. No matter how stifling Bradley's defense continues to be for the rest of season or no matter how many double double Sullinger puts up.

This team doesn't have a true PG besides Rondo. And he is one of the best in the league.
Title: Re: Rondo outplayed in 5 of last 7 games
Post by: ederson on January 12, 2013, 03:56:54 AM
Ok i go with the OP....
RR`s been outplayed and it`s a problem

But what does that say about the players that outplayed him but their teams lost the games?

the concern about RR (and any other player) should be whether he plays good or not and not if he playes better than the opposition
Title: Re: Rondo outplayed in 5 of last 7 games
Post by: LarBrd33 on January 12, 2013, 05:42:33 AM
As far as statistical production, after a brilliant start Rondo has now fallen to 3rd behind Chris Paul (well in the lead, as usual) and Russell Westbrook.  Kyrie Irving is hot on Rondo's heals.  Tony Parker and Steph Curry are right behind him as well.   Rondo was 5th last year.  Definitely a top 5 point guard.  He's got weaknesses, though.
Title: Re: Rondo outplayed in 5 of last 7 games
Post by: clover on January 12, 2013, 06:07:21 AM
As far as statistical production, after a brilliant start Rondo has now fallen to 3rd behind Chris Paul (well in the lead, as usual) and Russell Westbrook.  Kyrie Irving is hot on Rondo's heals.  Tony Parker and Steph Curry are right behind him as well.   Rondo was 5th last year.  Definitely a top 5 point guard.  He's got weaknesses, though.

Paul, Rose, Westbrook, Parker, Irving.
Title: Re: Rondo outplayed in 5 of last 7 games
Post by: Bahku on January 12, 2013, 06:23:17 AM
Not sure what the big mystery is here ...  he's just plain been getting the rest of the team involved more.

Have you noticed the huge improvement in bench contributions?

The intensified defensive effort he's giving, and the energized team?

The involvement and chemistry developing between the entire team?

The more clarified roles and limited rotaion combinations?

He has purposely taken less of a scoring role in order for this team to become more complete and cohesive.

He's also a in a slight funk, but that happens, and will correct itself.

Hopefully he's not reading the blogs much, cuz the number of absurd trade threads would discourage anyone.

Man, this team is finally coming together in a big way, and people are still not encouraged or satisfied, and can only focus on the negative.

Personally, I completely understand his lower numbers and realize it's a necessary part of bringing this team together right now ... it will change as the team solidifies even further, and Rondo will be the balanced player he has been.

Title: Re: Rondo outplayed in 5 of last 7 games
Post by: Greenbean on January 12, 2013, 06:46:54 AM
Not sure what the big mystery is here ...  he's just plain been getting the rest of the team involved more.

Have you noticed the huge improvement in bench contributions?

The intensified defensive effort he's giving, and the energized team?

The involvement and chemistry developing between the entire team?

The more clarified roles and limited rotaion combinations?

He has purposely taken less of a scoring role in order for this team to become more complete and cohesive.

He's also a in a slight funk, but that happens, and will correct itself.

Hopefully he's not reading the blogs much, cuz the number of absurd trade threads would discourage anyone.

Man, this team is finally coming together in a big way, and people are still not encouraged or satisfied, and can only focus on the negative.

Personally, I completely understand his lower numbers and realize it's a necessary part of bringing this team together right now ... it will change as the team solidifies even further, and Rondo will be the balanced player he has been.


Good point on the defense bahku...he's been giving the game what it needs lately and picking his spots...maybe taking a cue from the captain.

I also think Hes getting used to the new guys and now knows where to get them the ball to be effective.

Some games he's been a defender and distributor and some games he's attacked more offensively and some games he has attacked the boards.

I am fine if he doesn't do all of it every game like he does in the playoffs because the team finally has the role players to allow rondo to pick his spots.
Title: Re: Rondo outplayed in 5 of last 7 games
Post by: Greenbean on January 12, 2013, 07:06:20 AM
The real problem you're having is that you're looking at the efficiency stat. Its garbage.

Lol
Title: Re: Rondo outplayed in 5 of last 7 games
Post by: Bankshot on January 12, 2013, 08:01:52 AM
I do think there is some concern about our starting unit the past few games. So far it hasn't produced very well for us.

I think that is more what's going on than Rondo's individual play.

I think Rondo's play in part is what's causing the problems in the starting unit.  Rondo keeps walking the ball up, then holding and pounding the ball, letting the opposition set up their defense.  Maybe he's still getting over his injury, so I won't complain, but that's what I see.
Title: Re: Rondo outplayed in 5 of last 7 games
Post by: PhoSita on January 12, 2013, 08:07:33 AM
I do think there is some concern about our starting unit the past few games. So far it hasn't produced very well for us.

I think that is more what's going on than Rondo's individual play.

Yeah, the bench has bailed out the starters during much of this winning streak.  Which is both good and bad.

But Rondo definitely has been underwhelming recently.  Seems like a totally different player than earlier in the season when he was racking up double digit assist games every night.

However, the Celtics are playing better.  So one can't help but wonder if the Celtics are better with Rondo averaging 8-8-2?
Title: Re: Rondo outplayed in 5 of last 7 games
Post by: SHAQATTACK on January 12, 2013, 08:33:01 AM
Still believe Rondo is recovering from his hip injury. He seems reluctant to do alot of driving plays . ANd his defense has been down abit.  I'm thinking he just isn't 100 %healthy right now. ANd trying to play though it.
Title: Re: Rondo outplayed in 5 of last 7 games
Post by: PhoSita on January 12, 2013, 08:33:27 AM
Still believe Rondo is recovering from his hip injury. He seems reluctant to do alot of driving plays . ANd his defense has been down abit.  I'm thinking he just isn't 100 %healthy right now. ANd trying to play though it.

Yeah, he hasn't been the same since that injury.
Title: Re: Rondo outplayed in 5 of last 7 games
Post by: scaryjerry on January 12, 2013, 08:53:12 AM
haha haha hahahahahaha have to laugh at this thread...what do we want, wins or rondo stats? this is a team.he's our only guard capable of running an offense and passing and we're winning, buh byeeeeeee
Title: Re: Rondo outplayed in 5 of last 7 games
Post by: SHAQATTACK on January 12, 2013, 09:22:46 AM
I'm looking for ROndo to play better on monday, he'll have a couple days off to heal up his body.

Maybe we'll have Wilcox back monday and th team will look even better .  :)
Title: Re: Rondo outplayed in 5 of last 7 games
Post by: BballTim on January 12, 2013, 10:11:48 AM
Rondo has been outplayed by opposing PG's in 5 of the last 7 games and one was close to a tie.

All of these are efficiency ratings from popcornmachine.net

1. Lin outplayed him 19 to 14
2. Dragis outplay him 13 to 5
3. Rondo was a +24, but Teague was +16 and Lou was a +26.  This could be called a tie.
4. +23 vs. Indy.  Dominated!!!!
5. Conley dominated Rondo 29 to 12.
6. Isiah Thomas dominated Rondo 29 to 10.
7. Chris Paul outplayed RR 12 to 9.

What has happened to Rondo of late??  It seems that since the "STREAK" ended he is playing half-heartedly and seemingly disinterested. 

Thoughts??

$11 million this season is a LOT to play for someone that seems to take off large chunks of the season to me!!!!!

Any insight on this would be greatly appreciated!!! 

  It's fairly amazing that so many of Rondo's detractors (not just the OP) watch Rondo closely enough to see all of his perceived mistakes every game but are unable to figure out when his play is affected by injury. The fact that he missed one of the games in the streak due to injury should have been a hint though.
Title: Re: Rondo outplayed in 5 of last 7 games
Post by: alajet on January 12, 2013, 10:12:46 AM
As far as statistical production, after a brilliant start Rondo has now fallen to 3rd behind Chris Paul (well in the lead, as usual) and Russell Westbrook.  Kyrie Irving is hot on Rondo's heals.  Tony Parker and Steph Curry are right behind him as well.   Rondo was 5th last year.  Definitely a top 5 point guard.  He's got weaknesses, though.

If stats do suggest that Russell Westbrook is a better PG than Rajon Rondo, I'll just pass.
Paul, Kyrie, Parker, Steph. I could understand. Westbrook? No. Another mediocre guard that benefits from explosiveness to be mistaken as a great player.
Title: Re: Rondo outplayed in 5 of last 7 games
Post by: CoachBo on January 12, 2013, 10:14:43 AM
I do think there is some concern about our starting unit the past few games. So far it hasn't produced very well for us.

I think that is more what's going on than Rondo's individual play.


I think Rondo's play in part is what's causing the problems in the starting unit.  Rondo keeps walking the ball up, then holding and pounding the ball, letting the opposition set up their defense.  Maybe he's still getting over his injury, so I won't complain, but that's what I see.

Could be, but ... Rondo's penchant for stopping the basketball in the halfcourt has always been a problem. He's always been a bit of a ballstopper, and it hurts our transition offense.

Doc talks often about wanting him to attack the rim more, and getting that done is a pretty difficult thing.
Title: Re: Rondo outplayed in 5 of last 7 games
Post by: azzenfrost on January 12, 2013, 10:17:33 AM
Maybe it's just me but it seemed like he hasn't put as much effort in since his assist streak was broken.
Title: Re: Rondo outplayed in 5 of last 7 games
Post by: BballTim on January 12, 2013, 10:28:44 AM
I do think there is some concern about our starting unit the past few games. So far it hasn't produced very well for us.

I think that is more what's going on than Rondo's individual play.

Yeah, the bench has bailed out the starters during much of this winning streak.  Which is both good and bad.

But Rondo definitely has been underwhelming recently.  Seems like a totally different player than earlier in the season when he was racking up double digit assist games every night.

However, the Celtics are playing better.  So one can't help but wonder if the Celtics are better with Rondo averaging 8-8-2?

  They're playing better on defense but worse on offense. I don't see why having a worse offense is a good thing, even if we're winning now.
Title: Re: Rondo outplayed in 5 of last 7 games
Post by: nickagneta on January 12, 2013, 10:30:51 AM
In other news the Celtics have won 5 of their last 7 games.

If this keeps up Rondo will get outplayed by his PG counterpart and the Celtics will win 34 of the last 46 games and so the Celtics will end up 53-29.

I could live with that.
Title: Re: Rondo outplayed in 5 of last 7 games
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on January 12, 2013, 10:35:27 AM
Even with a 5 game winning streak there are still threads were RR is being treated as a problem. While nursing a hip injury too.

Good Lord realky, he should be traded now. He doesnt deserve this kind of treatment.
Title: Re: Rondo outplayed in 5 of last 7 games
Post by: PhoSita on January 12, 2013, 10:36:21 AM
I do think there is some concern about our starting unit the past few games. So far it hasn't produced very well for us.

I think that is more what's going on than Rondo's individual play.

Yeah, the bench has bailed out the starters during much of this winning streak.  Which is both good and bad.

But Rondo definitely has been underwhelming recently.  Seems like a totally different player than earlier in the season when he was racking up double digit assist games every night.

However, the Celtics are playing better.  So one can't help but wonder if the Celtics are better with Rondo averaging 8-8-2?

  They're playing better on defense but worse on offense. I don't see why having a worse offense is a good thing, even if we're winning now.

Well, I'll readily admit that I have no idea what correlation, if any, there is between Rondo's play and the team's resurgence.

But I have noticed that the starters seem to come in and start off slow, and then things pick up once the bench guys get in the game.  Usually that pick-up is characterized by players getting out in transition more, and the ball moving around a lot more in the half-court.  To the extent that Rondo sometimes seems to slow things down maybe a bit too much and hold onto the ball for a while, making it more of a 2 or 3 man game versus a 5 man game offensively, I think that could hurt them at times.

I guess what I'm trying to say, to answer your query, is that though the Celtics haven't been great overall offensively during this stretch, they've had some really great runs that have given them leads.  Usually those runs are easy buckets fueled by defensive stops.  Rondo has been a big part of that, at times. 

But I also notice that when the bench is in, and we have a sort of "run the offense by committee" thing going with Lee, Terry, Bradley, Green, etc, it seems like that actually creates some easier opportunities, especially ones closer to the rim (for guys like Green, Sullinger, and KG).

Take that for what it's worth.
Title: Re: Rondo outplayed in 5 of last 7 games
Post by: cltc5 on January 12, 2013, 10:41:08 AM
rondo sets the tone.  He can go fast or slow. So to some degree, for the sake of preserving energy especially for KG/Pierce, He's important to have.  He just needs to know when to set the tone.
Title: Re: Rondo outplayed in 5 of last 7 games
Post by: Vermont Green on January 12, 2013, 11:01:09 AM
Basketball isn't all about whether you outscore the person you are covering or whether you pile up more stats.  That was the problem when Rondo was getting 15 assists but we were losing.  Rondo has been a good solid, albeit under the radar, point guard these last few games.  To me, that is exactly what we need from him.

We don't need 15 assists, we don't need him taking 19 shots.  If he tries to be something he isn't, it hurts the team.  I really like this recent Rondo better than the 15 assists Rondo.

Of course the other big change is that the Celtics are 5-1 since Avery Bradley returned and it coincides both with us winning and Rondo’s more low profile play.

I see no problem with Rondo’s recent play.
Title: Re: Rondo outplayed in 5 of last 7 games
Post by: PhoSita on January 12, 2013, 11:10:36 AM
rondo sets the tone.  He can go fast or slow. So to some degree, for the sake of preserving energy especially for KG/Pierce, He's important to have.  He just needs to know when to set the tone.

I tend to agree with this.

I think that Rondo has been conditioned to slow down the offense a lot because in his first few years in the league, his main role on the team was to set the pace and get the Big 3 into their sets. 

Now the team is better served by Rondo upping the pace at the right times, getting the team into transition off of defensive stops and forced turnovers, and getting everybody moving.  The team is much better off playing a quicker, more flowing style rather than grinding out each possession, because Pierce and Garnett don't create 1 on 1 mismatches like they used to.  The team is built to take advantage of its young athletes and its overall depth.

I know Rondo can thrive in that sort of system, I think he just needs to change his tendencies a bit to play more that style.
Title: Re: Rondo outplayed in 5 of last 7 games
Post by: pearljammer10 on January 12, 2013, 11:33:39 AM
To be fair I'm pretty sure he's still getting over an injury

This.

And I could also care less since we are 5 and 2 during the last 7 games.
Title: Re: Rondo outplayed in 5 of last 7 games
Post by: celtics2 on January 12, 2013, 11:43:42 AM
Head to head usually he's outplayed by the better points in the League. He's a lot like Doc he plays better when the team is in sync. That has happened again only because someone useless is sitting and Bradley is starting. Doc nor Rondo had very little to do with this surge as is evidenced by the pre Bradley games. I will state that Bradley is more valuable to the Celts than Rondo. Rondo would be great on the Harlem Globetrotters if still in existence.
Title: Re: Rondo outplayed in 5 of last 7 games
Post by: Smitty77 on January 12, 2013, 11:47:23 AM
Timobusa,

You make a GREAT point.  I had not noticed him deferring play calling to Lee and AB.  That would make sense.  I do also believe that RR is still hurt a little.  Not much, but a little.

Thanks,

Smitty77
Title: Re: Rondo outplayed in 5 of last 7 games
Post by: celtics2 on January 12, 2013, 11:48:16 AM
I do think there is some concern about our starting unit the past few games. So far it hasn't produced very well for us.

I think that is more what's going on than Rondo's individual play.

Enjoy them now. At least 2 starters will have lead feet after 65 games. Bradley may hit a wall also.
Title: Re: Rondo outplayed in 5 of last 7 games
Post by: Smitty77 on January 12, 2013, 11:49:06 AM
Ederson,

We lost 3 of those 7:  LA Clips, Sac, and Memphis.

Smitty77
Title: Re: Rondo outplayed in 5 of last 7 games
Post by: Edgar on January 12, 2013, 11:50:51 AM
omg

yet another Rajon Rondo thread
Title: Re: Rondo outplayed in 5 of last 7 games
Post by: Smitty77 on January 12, 2013, 11:54:10 AM
Bakhu,

I am as thrilled with this 5 game winning streak as anyone, but that does NOT by any means there is NOT room for improvement.  We SHOULD be concerned for where the dominant RR went that can simply take over games as needed!!! We SHOULD be concerned when a team just shoots 13 more FT attempts than us on OUR HOME COURT!!

I love the kool-aid as much as anyone, but we must be more than a jump-shooting team whose shots happen to be falling if we are to be a contender!!!!  PP must get back to driving the ball to the hole.  KG must start posting up a little bit more!!  RR must get back to driving the ball to the lane and not launching insane 3-point attempts.

I am NOT satisfied and I will NOT apologize for that!!!

Smitty77
Title: Re: Rondo outplayed in 5 of last 7 games
Post by: BballTim on January 12, 2013, 12:21:19 PM
I do think there is some concern about our starting unit the past few games. So far it hasn't produced very well for us.

I think that is more what's going on than Rondo's individual play.


I think Rondo's play in part is what's causing the problems in the starting unit.  Rondo keeps walking the ball up, then holding and pounding the ball, letting the opposition set up their defense.  Maybe he's still getting over his injury, so I won't complain, but that's what I see.

Could be, but ... Rondo's penchant for stopping the basketball in the halfcourt has always been a problem. He's always been a bit of a ballstopper, and it hurts our transition offense.

  Rondo doesn't slow the ball down when we have transitional scoring opportunities, he slows things down when we *don't* have any kind of advantage.
Title: Re: Rondo outplayed in 5 of last 7 games
Post by: BballTim on January 12, 2013, 12:54:58 PM
Basketball isn't all about whether you outscore the person you are covering or whether you pile up more stats.  That was the problem when Rondo was getting 15 assists but we were losing.  Rondo has been a good solid, albeit under the radar, point guard these last few games.  To me, that is exactly what we need from him.

We don't need 15 assists, we don't need him taking 19 shots.  If he tries to be something he isn't, it hurts the team.  I really like this recent Rondo better than the 15 assists Rondo.

  I read a ton of posts about how happy people are that the offense is less Rondo-centric and he isn't controlling the ball and looking for assists as much. When Rondo's assist streak ended we were 10th in the league in offensive efficiency, now we're 21st or so. We were 6th in the league in 4th quarter points per game when the streak ended, now we're 23rd. I'd rather see the team play the style of offense that leads to more efficient scoring but that seems to put me squarely in the minority here.
Title: Re: Rondo outplayed in 5 of last 7 games
Post by: PhoSita on January 12, 2013, 01:01:38 PM
Basketball isn't all about whether you outscore the person you are covering or whether you pile up more stats.  That was the problem when Rondo was getting 15 assists but we were losing.  Rondo has been a good solid, albeit under the radar, point guard these last few games.  To me, that is exactly what we need from him.

We don't need 15 assists, we don't need him taking 19 shots.  If he tries to be something he isn't, it hurts the team.  I really like this recent Rondo better than the 15 assists Rondo.

  I read a ton of posts about how happy people are that the offense is less Rondo-centric and he isn't controlling the ball and looking for assists as much. When Rondo's assist streak ended we were 10th in the league in offensive efficiency, now we're 21st or so. We were 6th in the league in 4th quarter points per game when the streak ended, now we're 23rd. I'd rather see the team play the style of offense that leads to more efficient scoring but that seems to put me squarely in the minority here.

I think there's a difference between how the team has played overall since the streak ended and how the team has played since Bradley came back.

Mostly I think people are talking about the offense looking better since Bradley came back. 

So the change in offensive rankings since the streak ended doesn't really speak to that. 

Though I'm not discounting what you're getting at which is that people may be seeing what they want to see / having selective memories.
Title: Re: Rondo outplayed in 5 of last 7 games
Post by: BballTim on January 12, 2013, 01:28:34 PM
Basketball isn't all about whether you outscore the person you are covering or whether you pile up more stats.  That was the problem when Rondo was getting 15 assists but we were losing.  Rondo has been a good solid, albeit under the radar, point guard these last few games.  To me, that is exactly what we need from him.

We don't need 15 assists, we don't need him taking 19 shots.  If he tries to be something he isn't, it hurts the team.  I really like this recent Rondo better than the 15 assists Rondo.

  I read a ton of posts about how happy people are that the offense is less Rondo-centric and he isn't controlling the ball and looking for assists as much. When Rondo's assist streak ended we were 10th in the league in offensive efficiency, now we're 21st or so. We were 6th in the league in 4th quarter points per game when the streak ended, now we're 23rd. I'd rather see the team play the style of offense that leads to more efficient scoring but that seems to put me squarely in the minority here.

I think there's a difference between how the team has played overall since the streak ended and how the team has played since Bradley came back.

Mostly I think people are talking about the offense looking better since Bradley came back. 

So the change in offensive rankings since the streak ended doesn't really speak to that. 

Though I'm not discounting what you're getting at which is that people may be seeing what they want to see / having selective memories.

  You'd expect some improvement over the last 5 games because our defense is better, and you get easier baskets off of steals or missed baskets than you do inbounding the ball after a made basket. We haven't seen much improvement overall but I'd expect that to change as Rondo gets healthier, Bradley gets more in a groove and the bench keeps producing.