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Title: Chad Ford: "I'd be shocked if Celtics didn't get something done."
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on January 10, 2013, 06:15:06 PM
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Will (Manhattan)

Do you see the Celtics making any trades as the deadline nears?
Chad Ford  (1:23 PM)

Yes. I would put them up there with the Rockets, Grizzlies and Lakers as the most active teams right now. I'd be shocked if they didn't get something done. May or may not include Rondo, but the Celtics are looking for a youngish player to fill out their front line.

This chat was from yesterday (1/9). Do you really think Danny would make a move as major as trading Rondo if this team continues to win and play well?
Title: Re: Chad Ford: "I'd be shocked if Celtics didn't get something done."
Post by: ScottHow on January 10, 2013, 06:17:04 PM
Rondo for Cousins/Thomas  ;D

Thomas
Bradley
Pierce
KG
Cousins

Future: Bradley, Sully, Cousins all under 22 yrs old
Title: Re: Chad Ford: "I'd be shocked if Celtics didn't get something done."
Post by: RJ87 on January 10, 2013, 06:24:37 PM
Rondo for Cousins/Thomas  ;D

Thomas
Bradley
Pierce
KG
Cousins

Future: Bradley, Sully, Cousins all under 22 yrs old

If Kings are really being sold, don't expect them to make any moves before the deadline.  The new ownership group is likely going to want to evaluate their roster and design their own strategy.
Title: Re: Chad Ford: "I'd be shocked if Celtics didn't get something done."
Post by: crownontherocks on January 10, 2013, 06:25:44 PM
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Will (Manhattan)

Do you see the Celtics making any trades as the deadline nears?
Chad Ford  (1:23 PM)

Yes. I would put them up there with the Rockets, Grizzlies and Lakers as the most active teams right now. I'd be shocked if they didn't get something done. May or may not include Rondo, but the Celtics are looking for a youngish player to fill out their front line.

This chat was from yesterday (1/9). Do you really think Danny would make a move as major as trading Rondo if this team continues to win and play well?


Starting to wondering if they will try to get cousins and evans for rondo etc

Do you guys think rondo will be shopped around?
Title: Re: Chad Ford: "I'd be shocked if Celtics didn't get something done."
Post by: KG_ended_Bias on January 10, 2013, 06:28:45 PM
Rondo for Cousins/Thomas  ;D

Thomas
Bradley
Pierce
KG
Cousins

Future: Bradley, Sully, Cousins all under 22 yrs old
Nope it will be Rondo & Melo for Jimmer Fredette & Cousins. Remember Danny is a BYU alum & watch alot of Jimmer in Jimmer's Cougar days.
Title: Re: Chad Ford: "I'd be shocked if Celtics didn't get something done."
Post by: ScottHow on January 10, 2013, 06:40:56 PM
Rondo for Cousins/Thomas  ;D

Thomas
Bradley
Pierce
KG
Cousins

Future: Bradley, Sully, Cousins all under 22 yrs old
Nope it will be Rondo & Melo for Jimmer Fredette & Cousins. Remember Danny is a BYU alum & watch alot of Jimmer in Jimmer's Cougar days.

I'd do it.
Title: Re: Chad Ford: "I'd be shocked if Celtics didn't get something done."
Post by: Celtics18 on January 10, 2013, 06:42:02 PM
I doubt Rondo's going anywhere.
Title: Re: Chad Ford: "I'd be shocked if Celtics didn't get something done."
Post by: Birdman on January 10, 2013, 06:45:48 PM
Rondo is top 5 PG in the NBA..he has lead the C's into late May of the playoffs last 5 years..i rather hold onto him
Title: Re: Chad Ford: "I'd be shocked if Celtics didn't get something done."
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on January 10, 2013, 06:46:23 PM
I doubt Rondo's going anywhere.

I'd hope not.

Anything where Rondo leaves town, we might as well rebuild, IMO.
Title: Re: Chad Ford: "I'd be shocked if Celtics didn't get something done."
Post by: Evantime34 on January 10, 2013, 07:06:37 PM
I would be shocked if Rondo was traded. He's been hurt a lot this year, leads the league in assists and is on a reasonable contract.
Title: Re: Chad Ford: "I'd be shocked if Celtics didn't get something done."
Post by: KG Living Legend on January 10, 2013, 07:09:44 PM

 I'b be Shocked if we get a great player. Period.
Title: Re: Chad Ford: "I'd be shocked if Celtics didn't get something done."
Post by: triboy16f on January 10, 2013, 07:18:07 PM
kings would rather take Bradley and Sully vs Rondo alone for cousins

But i will tell you one thing, Sac is going to make a huge change to their lineup by the trade deadline. They have to win right now, or else keep losing like they always do, have empty seats and get ready to move to seattle.

They have a dysfunctional team imo ,need new players and a decent pg.

Gone by trade deadline if possible - Evans, Salmons, Fredette, Marcus Thornton, thomas,chuck hayes, outlaw, garcia

gone only if its a deal they can't refuse: Cousins

Keepers: Thomas Robinson and Jason Thompson

These three guys, are the main guys they can build around. But man all of those players that need to be gone by trade deadline either are mediocre players or have some salary baggage tied to them. You almost have to deal cousins so, that you can have somebody take these guys too.

If we kept losing or playing 500 even with bradley , but bradley and sully (trade pieces) did quite well, i think we would be one of the teams definitely in line to get Cousins/Evans. But then we would also have to take on a Salmons, Hayes, Garcia, who knows.

But right now, i would be shocked danny would even trade bradley and sully for cousins.

A few teams i see having some nice pieces and making a run at cousins/evans

1. Denver : Cousins , Evans + pieces above
to Sac: Mcgee, Lawson , Chandler, Fournier + 1st round pick

2. Houston: Cousins , Evans + pieces above
to sac: Donatas Motiejunas, Toney Douglas, Royce White , Parsons , Patterson

Sac needs a decent pg as one of the key piece back.

Title: Re: Chad Ford: "I'd be shocked if Celtics didn't get something done."
Post by: nickagneta on January 10, 2013, 07:18:39 PM
I would be shocked if Rondo was traded and anything but a high caliber starting PG and a young large stud wasn't coming back the Celtics way.
Title: Re: Chad Ford: "I'd be shocked if Celtics didn't get something done."
Post by: celts10 on January 10, 2013, 07:28:26 PM
Anything where Rondo leaves town, we might as well rebuild, IMO.

Agreed. I don't think Pierce and especially Garnett would take a Rondo-trade too well. Rondo may possibly get dealt when Pierce and Garnett retire. Rondo thrives in the postseason and makes Celtics playoff games fun as heck to watch.

I'd prefer to send Bass and Green, along with a pick or two, out at this point.
Title: Re: Chad Ford: "I'd be shocked if Celtics didn't get something done."
Post by: albas89 on January 10, 2013, 07:39:19 PM
Rondo thrives in the postseason and makes Celtics playoff games fun as heck to watch.
This. When healthy, Rondo has been a top 3 postseason performer over the last 5 years. That's not something to ignore.
Title: Re: Chad Ford: "I'd be shocked if Celtics didn't get something done."
Post by: ejk3489 on January 10, 2013, 07:40:14 PM
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I'd be shocked if they didn't get something done. May or may not include Rondo, but the Celtics are looking for a youngish player to fill out their front line.

Sounds like every other trade deadline the Celtics have had since the 2008-09 season. Wouldn't be the same without a million Rondo trade rumors going around...Rondo for Tyreke Evans, Rondo/Scal for Conley/Gay, Rondo/Ray for Rip/Prince/Stuckey, Rondo/Ray for Amare/Barbosa, Rondo/Green for Westbrook/Perkins (lol), Rondo for CP3, Rondo for Pau, Rondo for Curry, Rondo for *insertplayerofchoice*

After all of the false alarms over the years, I think I'd be completely shocked if he ever was really traded.

kings would rather take Bradley and Sully vs Rondo alone for cousins

I completely disagree, I think the trade talks with Sacramento begin and end with Rondo. I'm sure Danny has tried offering some combo of Sully/Bradley/Melo, but I'd be shocked if that was actually enough. Sullinger and Avery are valuable, but not enough to bring in a potential franchise player like Cousins.
Title: Re: Chad Ford: "I'd be shocked if Celtics didn't get something done."
Post by: Birdman on January 10, 2013, 07:43:18 PM
I doubt any big name player in the NBA gets dealt..u may see a journeyman or two moved but thats it
Title: Re: Chad Ford: "I'd be shocked if Celtics didn't get something done."
Post by: CelticHooligan3 on January 10, 2013, 07:44:58 PM
Anything where Rondo leaves town, we might as well rebuild, IMO.

Agreed. I don't think Pierce and especially Garnett would take a Rondo-trade too well. Rondo may possibly get dealt when Pierce and Garnett retire. Rondo thrives in the postseason and makes Celtics playoff games fun as heck to watch.

I'd prefer to send Bass and Green, along with a pick or two, out at this point.




Assuming they themselves are not tired of Rondo's act.
Title: Re: Chad Ford: "I'd be shocked if Celtics didn't get something done."
Post by: D Dub on January 10, 2013, 07:48:02 PM
Why trade an All Star for a 'youngish big' when we already have one stashed away whose dropping 14 block trip-dubs for the Claws?  Said it before, will say it again.

Fab Melo is for real. 

He's on the Steamer plan, just like Sully's on the Baby/Powe plan.  Danny & Doc are just sticking to their winning formulas.




Title: Re: Chad Ford: "I'd be shocked if Celtics didn't get something done."
Post by: Smokeeye123 on January 10, 2013, 07:57:47 PM
Brandon Bass is a goner, that's all I know. With the emergance of Sullinger Bass is the odd man out seemingly.
Title: Re: Chad Ford: "I'd be shocked if Celtics didn't get something done."
Post by: Jeff on January 10, 2013, 07:57:59 PM
kind of encouraged by the "youngish" part
Title: Re: Chad Ford: "I'd be shocked if Celtics didn't get something done."
Post by: jdz101 on January 10, 2013, 08:10:44 PM
I'd be shocked if Chad Ford could be any more vague and wishy washy.
Title: Re: Chad Ford: "I'd be shocked if Celtics didn't get something done."
Post by: nickagneta on January 10, 2013, 08:18:17 PM
kings would rather take Bradley and Sully vs Rondo alone for cousins

But i will tell you one thing, Sac is going to make a huge change to their lineup by the trade deadline. They have to win right now, or else keep losing like they always do, have empty seats and get ready to move to seattle.

They have a dysfunctional team imo ,need new players and a decent pg.

Gone by trade deadline if possible - Evans, Salmons, Fredette, Marcus Thornton, thomas,chuck hayes, outlaw, garcia

gone only if its a deal they can't refuse: Cousins

Keepers: Thomas Robinson and Jason Thompson

These three guys, are the main guys they can build around. But man all of those players that need to be gone by trade deadline either are mediocre players or have some salary baggage tied to them. You almost have to deal cousins so, that you can have somebody take these guys too.

If we kept losing or playing 500 even with bradley , but bradley and sully (trade pieces) did quite well, i think we would be one of the teams definitely in line to get Cousins/Evans. But then we would also have to take on a Salmons, Hayes, Garcia, who knows.

But right now, i would be shocked danny would even trade bradley and sully for cousins.

A few teams i see having some nice pieces and making a run at cousins/evans

1. Denver : Cousins , Evans + pieces above
to Sac: Mcgee, Lawson , Chandler, Fournier + 1st round pick

2. Houston: Cousins , Evans + pieces above
to sac: Donatas Motiejunas, Toney Douglas, Royce White , Parsons , Patterson

Sac needs a decent pg as one of the key piece back.
Have you been reading up on what's been happening with the sale of the Kings? The are on the verge of being sold. Here's a couple of generalities about a team when a team is on the market and/or about to be sold:

1.) The franchise will get a better sale price if the team is under the tax line and even more if under the cap. Therefore, if teams are over the tax line or cap, while the team is for sale or about to be sold, trades that DO happen are trades that shed salary or committed salary in the future. The Kings are currently around the cap line and nowhere near the tax line. The only people I see them trading are long term large money contracts if they can get rid of them and reduce their future fiscal commitments.

2.) The franchise that is being sold that has a top ten player or lots of star potential young players will almost never move them before a PENDING sale as the future owners would want those assets on the team to develop or use as trade bait to shape the team they want.

3.) The above two generalities are even more of a guarantee to happen if the ownership is going to:
   A.) Move the franchise
   B.) Replace the coach
   C.) Replace the GM
   D.) All of the above

Sorry, but your scenario stands almost no chance of happening.
Title: Re: Chad Ford: "I'd be shocked if Celtics didn't get something done."
Post by: action781 on January 10, 2013, 08:26:17 PM
Crazy blockbuster idea with Memphis...

Memphis trades:  Conley, Gay, Gasol
Boston trades:  Rondo, Bradley, Green, Melo

Boston would become:
Conley/Terry
Gay/Lee
Pierce/Gay
KG/Bass
Gasol/Sullinger

I'd do this in a second.  That is a fantastic defensive starting 5 with a ton of offensive punch.

Memphis gives up a lot, but they aren't getting anywhere near as good of a player back for Gay as Rondo from any other team and they also get Bradley who I assume has to be considered a hugely valuable piece around the league.
Title: Re: Chad Ford: "I'd be shocked if Celtics didn't get something done."
Post by: cltc5 on January 10, 2013, 08:29:47 PM
Why trade an All Star for a 'youngish big' when we already have one stashed away whose dropping 14 block trip-dubs for the Claws?  Said it before, will say it again.

Fab Melo is for real. 

He's on the Steamer plan, just like Sully's on the Baby/Powe plan.  Danny & Doc are just sticking to their winning formulas.

agreed.  geez call him up and let him get into the flow of things.  We probably got a diamond in the rough down their and we're doin nothing with him/
Title: Re: Chad Ford: "I'd be shocked if Celtics didn't get something done."
Post by: nickagneta on January 10, 2013, 08:41:33 PM
Why trade an All Star for a 'youngish big' when we already have one stashed away whose dropping 14 block trip-dubs for the Claws?  Said it before, will say it again.

Fab Melo is for real. 

He's on the Steamer plan, just like Sully's on the Baby/Powe plan.  Danny & Doc are just sticking to their winning formulas.

agreed.  geez call him up and let him get into the flow of things.  We probably got a diamond in the rough down their and we're doin nothing with him/
We are doing something with him. We are developing him. In the NBA, if not ready, he will get lost, dominated and lose confidence if he isn't ready.

Doc and Danny have decided he isn't ready. They have a pretty dang good record regarding evaluating whether a young player is ready to play in this league or not. There are almost zero players that have ever gone on to disprove that Doc and Danny's evaluation skills in this regard are not extremely excellent.

Leave Melo where he is. Let him develop in the NBDL. When the team decides he is ready they will bring him up and use him.

My guess is he needs at least one entire year, one more entire off season with the coaches, one more entire Summer League and one more entire training camp before he will be close to being ready to contribute meaningfully to this team without causing serious setbacks to his game and psyche.
Title: Re: Chad Ford: "I'd be shocked if Celtics didn't get something done."
Post by: Yogi on January 10, 2013, 08:50:47 PM
Unless we're getting back Lebron, Durant or CP3, Rondo is not being moved.  If you want to move Rondo for anything resembling Cousins + Evans/Jimmer/Thomas etc.  you are not very good at running an NBA franchise. 
Title: Re: Chad Ford: "I'd be shocked if Celtics didn't get something done."
Post by: Smokeeye123 on January 10, 2013, 08:53:53 PM
Crazy blockbuster idea with Memphis...

Memphis trades:  Conley, Gay, Gasol
Boston trades:  Rondo, Bradley, Green, Melo

Boston would become:
Conley/Terry
Gay/Lee
Pierce/Gay
KG/Bass
Gasol/Sullinger

I'd do this in a second.  That is a fantastic defensive starting 5 with a ton of offensive punch.

Memphis gives up a lot, but they aren't getting anywhere near as good of a player back for Gay as Rondo from any other team and they also get Bradley who I assume has to be considered a hugely valuable piece around the league.

I agree, Memphis probably is our best trade partner. I just don't think that it would be such a mega deal. Maybe Rondo Bass and Lee for Gasol,Conley and Allen?
Title: Re: Chad Ford: "I'd be shocked if Celtics didn't get something done."
Post by: MJohnnyboy on January 10, 2013, 08:56:49 PM
You know, Chad Ford's been wrong. Plenty of times.

He thought Darko was going to revolutionize the game and thought Perk would bring nothing to the C's.

The draft is different from trade rumors but you see my point. Why can't we all relax? The Celtics are on a four game winning streak and are looking like they are getting their swagger back. Why so much discussion about something that most likely is not going to happen?
Title: Re: Chad Ford: "I'd be shocked if Celtics didn't get something done."
Post by: arctic 3.0 on January 10, 2013, 09:14:35 PM
Anything where Rondo leaves town, we might as well rebuild, IMO.

Agreed. I don't think Pierce and especially Garnett would take a Rondo-trade too well. Rondo may possibly get dealt when Pierce and Garnett retire. Rondo thrives in the postseason and makes Celtics playoff games fun as heck to watch.

I'd prefer to send Bass and Green, along with a pick or two, out at this point.




Assuming they themselves are not tired of Rondo's act.

true
Title: Re: Chad Ford: "I'd be shocked if Celtics didn't get something done."
Post by: arctic 3.0 on January 10, 2013, 09:15:58 PM
Why trade an All Star for a 'youngish big' when we already have one stashed away whose dropping 14 block trip-dubs for the Claws?  Said it before, will say it again.

Fab Melo is for real. 

He's on the Steamer plan, just like Sully's on the Baby/Powe plan.  Danny & Doc are just sticking to their winning formulas.

thats the plan.
melo could be huge in the future and he is exactly the right kind of big to pair with sully in the future.
Title: Re: Chad Ford: "I'd be shocked if Celtics didn't get something done."
Post by: nostar on January 10, 2013, 09:16:37 PM
Crazy blockbuster idea with Memphis...

Memphis trades:  Conley, Gay, Gasol
Boston trades:  Rondo, Bradley, Green, Melo

Boston would become:
Conley/Terry
Gay/Lee
Pierce/Gay
KG/Bass
Gasol/Sullinger

I'd do this in a second.  That is a fantastic defensive starting 5 with a ton of offensive punch.

Memphis gives up a lot, but they aren't getting anywhere near as good of a player back for Gay as Rondo from any other team and they also get Bradley who I assume has to be considered a hugely valuable piece around the league.

Two things. First Memphis laughs you out of the building on that offer. They would only consider doing it if they were bombing and wanted to go into rebuild mode.

Second if you check salaries that trade has Memphis sending out ~$38M and the C's sending out ~$22M.

Other than those things I'd love to have Memphis's team with Pierce/KG/Terry and Sully =)))
Title: Re: Chad Ford: "I'd be shocked if Celtics didn't get something done."
Post by: arctic 3.0 on January 10, 2013, 09:21:09 PM
Brandon Bass is a goner, that's all I know. With the emergance of Sullinger Bass is the odd man out seemingly.
i concur.
however to get what we need back we will need to give up another player.
i'd rather that be terry than: sully for obvious reasons, melo, because he could fabulous or lee because paired with bradley the c's perimeter D is the best in the league (imho).
so bass and terry gets us...?
probably not the young athletic impact big we're hoping for.
Title: Re: Chad Ford: "I'd be shocked if Celtics didn't get something done."
Post by: nickagneta on January 10, 2013, 09:32:59 PM
Brandon Bass is a goner, that's all I know. With the emergance of Sullinger Bass is the odd man out seemingly.
i concur.
however to get what we need back we will need to give up another player.
i'd rather that be terry than: sully for obvious reasons, melo, because he could fabulous or lee because paired with bradley the c's perimeter D is the best in the league (imho).
so bass and terry gets us...?
probably not the young athletic impact big we're hoping for.
I think Terry will rpove his worth in the stretch run for a playoff seeding and during the playoffs.

Honestly, I hope Melo RIPS up the D-League and combined with Bass nets us the starting big we so desperately need. I hope Melo increases his value  by dominating the NBDL because I don't think he has much of an NBA future.

Why? Because my son goes to Syracuse and is close with people in the basketball program. They say Melo had to leave school because he was flunking out. He says Melo is pretty limited mentally speaking. He says Melo had a hard time grasping Boeheim's simplistic basketball schemes and plays.

Chances are he'll never get NBA basketball and succeed at the level some think by simply reading his D-League stat lines.

So combined with Bass and Barbosa the Celtics could get a big with a salary in the $10 million a year range for a big man. I could go for that.
Title: Re: Chad Ford: "I'd be shocked if Celtics didn't get something done."
Post by: ejk3489 on January 10, 2013, 09:36:29 PM
Crazy blockbuster idea with Memphis...

Memphis trades:  Conley, Gay, Gasol
Boston trades:  Rondo, Bradley, Green, Melo

Boston would become:
Conley/Terry
Gay/Lee
Pierce/Gay
KG/Bass
Gasol/Sullinger

I'd do this in a second.  That is a fantastic defensive starting 5 with a ton of offensive punch.

Memphis gives up a lot, but they aren't getting anywhere near as good of a player back for Gay as Rondo from any other team and they also get Bradley who I assume has to be considered a hugely valuable piece around the league.

Not sure why Memphis would want Rondo when they already have a similar (although less skilled) point guard in Conley. If you cancel out those two players, they're essentially trading Rudy Gay and Marc Gasol (a top 5 center) for Bradley, an over paid bench player, and a rookie who has yet to play one game in the NBA. And Bradley becomes redundant on that roster with Tony Allen in the starting line up. Basically, Memphis has no reason to do this deal.

And with Hollinger running the Grizzlies front office, you can just forget any deal that includes Jeff Green.

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Can they amnesty Green yet, or do they have to wait until the games start? Maybe the Celtics are just trying to keep us on our toes and prove they're capable of screwing up, too. Here's what we know: Green was a fungible player before he missed last season with a heart problem; guaranteeing him four years (with a player option on the fourth!) at a rate far beyond any rational market level is something we might expect from a couple of the league's bumbling organizations, but certainly not this one. I can't stress this enough: Green is 26 and played four full seasons in the league, and after all that time there's no evidence he's actually any good and considerable evidence that he's a health risk. Yet he's being paid like a second-tier star. This was, without a doubt, the worst contract of the summer.-Hollinger
Title: Re: Chad Ford: "I'd be shocked if Celtics didn't get something done."
Post by: Cman on January 10, 2013, 09:39:17 PM
Brandon Bass is a goner, that's all I know. With the emergance of Sullinger Bass is the odd man out seemingly.
i concur.
however to get what we need back we will need to give up another player.
i'd rather that be terry than: sully for obvious reasons, melo, because he could fabulous or lee because paired with bradley the c's perimeter D is the best in the league (imho).
so bass and terry gets us...?
probably not the young athletic impact big we're hoping for.
I think Terry will rpove his worth in the stretch run for a playoff seeding and during the playoffs.

Honestly, I hope Melo RIPS up the D-League and combined with Bass nets us the starting big we so desperately need. I hope Melo increases his value  by dominating the NBDL because I don't think he has much of an NBA future.

Why? Because my son goes to Syracuse and is close with people in the basketball program. They say Melo had to leave school because he was flunking out. He says Melo is pretty limited mentally speaking. He says Melo had a hard time grasping Boeheim's simplistic basketball schemes and plays.

Chances are he'll never get NBA basketball and succeed at the level some think by simply reading his D-League stat lines.

So combined with Bass and Barbosa the Celtics could get a big with a salary in the Celtics could bring in a $10 million a year big man. I could go for that.

Interesting about Syracuse. Keep it under wraps till Melo is traded.
Title: Re: Chad Ford: "I'd be shocked if Celtics didn't get something done."
Post by: arctic 3.0 on January 10, 2013, 09:57:43 PM
Brandon Bass is a goner, that's all I know. With the emergance of Sullinger Bass is the odd man out seemingly.
i concur.
however to get what we need back we will need to give up another player.
i'd rather that be terry than: sully for obvious reasons, melo, because he could fabulous or lee because paired with bradley the c's perimeter D is the best in the league (imho).
so bass and terry gets us...?
probably not the young athletic impact big we're hoping for.
I think Terry will rpove his worth in the stretch run for a playoff seeding and during the playoffs.

Honestly, I hope Melo RIPS up the D-League and combined with Bass nets us the starting big we so desperately need. I hope Melo increases his value  by dominating the NBDL because I don't think he has much of an NBA future.

Why? Because my son goes to Syracuse and is close with people in the basketball program. They say Melo had to leave school because he was flunking out. He says Melo is pretty limited mentally speaking. He says Melo had a hard time grasping Boeheim's simplistic basketball schemes and plays.

Chances are he'll never get NBA basketball and succeed at the level some think by simply reading his D-League stat lines.

So combined with Bass and Barbosa the Celtics could get a big with a salary in the Celtics could bring in a $10 million a year big man. I could go for that.

Interesting about Syracuse. Keep it under wraps till Melo is traded.

interesting,
I watched him play in portland a few weeks back and was impressed, not so much by his numbers (5 points, 5 rbs a few blocks) but by his demeanor, he hustled, was focused and listened to his coach.

I remeber folks saying KG was a block head coming out of high school. turns out he's the most articulate, savvy  and funniest* men in the game.
*("honey nut cheerios"... ****)

i hope that, if we do package him, we find that young impact big who helps now and pairs well with sully in the future.

Title: Re: Chad Ford: "I'd be shocked if Celtics didn't get something done."
Post by: Clench123 on January 10, 2013, 10:22:46 PM
Trading Rondo will rate as one of the biggest mistakess this organization ever made.  We are done if we trade him.  We might as well start rebuilding if we decide to trade him
Title: Re: Chad Ford: "I'd be shocked if Celtics didn't get something done."
Post by: Kuberski33 on January 10, 2013, 10:31:08 PM
Regarding Syracuse all the talk about Boeheim being this alleged zone defense expert is total crap.  None of his teams have ever been able to play mam to man defense because he can't teach it.  It's like coaching youth basketball...just having a team play a 2-3 zone is a heck of a lot easier than trying to teach individual and team man to man defense.  And the type of defense NBA teams play is so far outside Boeheims skill set it isn't funny.

I'm sure this heavily factored into Danny's thinking regarding Melo.  That Melo allegedly was flunking out to me was a red flag but I'm guessing (hoping) Danny did his diligence and investigated it thoroughly.  Trust me....no one flunks out of Syracuse if Boeheim wants him there.  I had it on pretty good authority that one of Boeheims past stars was functionally illiterate and he stayed eligible his entire career there.
Title: Re: Chad Ford: "I'd be shocked if Celtics didn't get something done."
Post by: rav123 on January 10, 2013, 11:04:30 PM
They say Melo had to leave school because he was flunking out. He says Melo is pretty limited mentally speaking. He says Melo had a hard time grasping Boeheim's simplistic basketball schemes and plays.

I think people are being it bit unfair to Melo regarding his IQ (basketball and academic). He picked up basketball about 5 years ago, so he's had much less time to reach the level where he can memorize a whole host of set plays easily. Having lived in Brazil until college, he picked up the English language even later. This could be the explanation for his academic issues. D-1 athletes, esp. the ones who could play pro one day, are rarely the brightest. If you combine that with not knowing the language of instruction, it won't make for a 4.0.

Another poster said that KG wasn't bright either. That's true: one big factor in his decision to enter the draft out of HS was that he failed his SATs. Now, though, he seems to be one of the more cerebral (not just on the court, but when doing interviews as well) players around. Some of that could be chalked up to experience, but it tells you that these things can change.

Title: Re: Chad Ford: "I'd be shocked if Celtics didn't get something done."
Post by: ScottHow on January 10, 2013, 11:05:34 PM
Why trade an All Star for a 'youngish big' when we already have one stashed away whose dropping 14 block trip-dubs for the Claws?  Said it before, will say it again.

Fab Melo is for real. 

He's on the Steamer plan, just like Sully's on the Baby/Powe plan.  Danny & Doc are just sticking to their winning formulas.

I'm not saying he can't develop into a good player, but I don't know if we can say he is the real deal based on Red Claw games.
Title: Re: Chad Ford: "I'd be shocked if Celtics didn't get something done."
Post by: Kane3387 on January 10, 2013, 11:49:08 PM
I wonder who he is referring too...

Cousins likely won't be moved with the ownership change. Maybe Gortat? Is he considered youngish?

The expirings in Utah maybe? Big Al and Milsap...

Outside of those four I can't think of any youngish bigs rumored to be on the block.

Anyone else know of anyone? Maybe it's a guy whose name isn't as big like a JJ Hickson or something.
Title: Re: Chad Ford: "I'd be shocked if Celtics didn't get something done."
Post by: LB3533 on January 11, 2013, 12:19:02 AM
If we make a trade, I really hope it involves non-rotational players and draft picks.

Why ruin our momentum now?

Let's see how this team will flourish!!!
Title: Re: Chad Ford: "I'd be shocked if Celtics didn't get something done."
Post by: KGs Knee on January 11, 2013, 12:33:39 AM
They say Melo had to leave school because he was flunking out. He says Melo is pretty limited mentally speaking. He says Melo had a hard time grasping Boeheim's simplistic basketball schemes and plays.

I think people are being it bit unfair to Melo regarding his IQ (basketball and academic). He picked up basketball about 5 years ago, so he's had much less time to reach the level where he can memorize a whole host of set plays easily. Having lived in Brazil until college, he picked up the English language even later. This could be the explanation for his academic issues. D-1 athletes, esp. the ones who could play pro one day, are rarely the brightest. If you combine that with not knowing the language of instruction, it won't make for a 4.0.

Another poster said that KG wasn't bright either. That's true: one big factor in his decision to enter the draft out of HS was that he failed his SATs. Now, though, he seems to be one of the more cerebral (not just on the court, but when doing interviews as well) players around. Some of that could be chalked up to experience, but it tells you that these things can change.

Being "street smart" and being "book smart" are entirely different.  Seriously, TOTALLY different.

KG has an abundance of street smarts.  I have no idea about his book smarts.  I'm guessing probably not much back in his HS days.

As for Melo, can fathom how he'd do well in a US university having only a moderate grasp of the English language, at best.
Title: Re: Chad Ford: "I'd be shocked if Celtics didn't get something done."
Post by: Lightskinsmurf on January 11, 2013, 12:48:38 AM
Trading Rondo will rate as one of the biggest mistakess this organization ever made.  We are done if we trade him.  We might as well start rebuilding if we decide to trade him
LOL
Title: Re: Chad Ford: "I'd be shocked if Celtics didn't get something done."
Post by: Eddie20 on January 11, 2013, 12:56:57 AM
Trading Rondo will rate as one of the biggest mistakess this organization ever made.  We are done if we trade him.  We might as well start rebuilding if we decide to trade him
LOL

I agree. If I only read the quote, without knowing the name, I would immediately think it's referring to Durant or James. Rondo is an excellent player, but he is nowhere as untouchable as some on the blog like to think.
Title: Re: Chad Ford: "I'd be shocked if Celtics didn't get something done."
Post by: j804 on January 11, 2013, 01:01:00 AM
I doubt Rondo's going anywhere.

I'd hope not.

Anything where Rondo leaves town, we might as well rebuild, IMO.
There is no way KG or Paul would be ok with a trade for Rondo even for Cousns they'd probably laugh and retire next year
Title: Re: Chad Ford: "I'd be shocked if Celtics didn't get something done."
Post by: wahz on January 11, 2013, 01:05:03 AM
Brandon Bass is a goner, that's all I know. With the emergance of Sullinger Bass is the odd man out seemingly.

I know everyone hates on Bass now but he is a decent offensive rebounder, his d is better now that Avery is there to stop penetration, and he has an awesome mid range jumper.
Youngish and a great guy too. If we trade him we sure as heck better get a better player back
Title: Re: Chad Ford: "I'd be shocked if Celtics didn't get something done."
Post by: azzenfrost on January 11, 2013, 01:22:40 AM
Can't we just buy Krstic back from the Euro team he's on now?
Title: Re: Chad Ford: "I'd be shocked if Celtics didn't get something done."
Post by: Eddie20 on January 11, 2013, 07:40:13 AM
Unless we're getting back Lebron, Durant or CP3, Rondo is not being moved.  If you want to move Rondo for anything resembling Cousins + Evans/Jimmer/Thomas etc.  you are not very good at running an NBA franchise.

I guess you can also add Westbrook and Curry to your short list


Quote
The Celtics find Rondo's personality to be too high-maintenance and his clashes with coach Doc Rivers remain an off-court distraction, sources told Broussard, and the front office is now actively pitching him to other teams. With the Celtics realizing they are no longer title contenders, they don't believe his point guard prowess is worth the headaches Rondo brings, sources say. And they do not want to build around him.

In December, the Celtics had discussions with Golden State about a Stephen Curry-for-Rondo deal, and one source says it was Golden State that decided against pulling the trigger. But Curry's recent ankle injuries, which have caused him several problems in his short career, have given the Celtics pause.

The potential trade is still being discussed by Boston's braintrust, but they aren't sure they want to go forward with it. It also isn't clear whether the Warriors would be willing to do it. Other players would have to be thrown in to make it work financially.


Also Broussard in Nov/11:

Quote
Boston offered Rondo & Jeff Green to OKC for Westbrook & KPerkins after last season's playoffs. OKC was not interested, sources say.
Title: Re: Chad Ford: "I'd be shocked if Celtics didn't get something done."
Post by: Snakehead on January 11, 2013, 08:18:14 AM
If Russel Westbrook is ever wearing a Celtics uniform I will be a sad man.

Plays the exact opposite of how I want my PG to play.
Title: Re: Chad Ford: "I'd be shocked if Celtics didn't get something done."
Post by: slamtheking on January 11, 2013, 08:39:25 AM
I'd be surprised if there wasn't a small deal this year.  However, with the 2 roster spots open now, I have a feeling Danny is leaning towards keeping this roster intact and filling with waived players (like every other year) or picking up someone who's not signed yet once he sees how the full team is playing.

C's definitely need another center that can play serviceable defense and rebound.  It'll be interesting to see how Danny fills that need. 
Title: Re: Chad Ford: "I'd be shocked if Celtics didn't get something done."
Post by: pearljammer10 on January 11, 2013, 08:41:24 AM
Unless we're getting back Lebron, Durant or CP3, Rondo is not being moved.  If you want to move Rondo for anything resembling Cousins + Evans/Jimmer/Thomas etc.  you are not very good at running an NBA franchise.

I guess you can also add Westbrook and Curry to your short list


Quote
The Celtics find Rondo's personality to be too high-maintenance and his clashes with coach Doc Rivers remain an off-court distraction, sources told Broussard, and the front office is now actively pitching him to other teams. With the Celtics realizing they are no longer title contenders, they don't believe his point guard prowess is worth the headaches Rondo brings, sources say. And they do not want to build around him.

In December, the Celtics had discussions with Golden State about a Stephen Curry-for-Rondo deal, and one source says it was Golden State that decided against pulling the trigger. But Curry's recent ankle injuries, which have caused him several problems in his short career, have given the Celtics pause.

The potential trade is still being discussed by Boston's braintrust, but they aren't sure they want to go forward with it. It also isn't clear whether the Warriors would be willing to do it. Other players would have to be thrown in to make it work financially.


Also Broussard in Nov/11:

Quote
Boston offered Rondo & Jeff Green to OKC for Westbrook & KPerkins after last season's playoffs. OKC was not interested, sources say.

Wasn't that December of last year?
Title: Re: Chad Ford: "I'd be shocked if Celtics didn't get something done."
Post by: pearljammer10 on January 11, 2013, 08:44:26 AM
The only thing I could see us doing is trading Bass to try and get an equal talent center that can either start and play 20 minutes a game or back up KG. Not sure how many players like that are out there.

But what big man could Bass and a first round pick get us?
Title: Re: Chad Ford: "I'd be shocked if Celtics didn't get something done."
Post by: RJ87 on January 11, 2013, 08:50:33 AM
Unless we're getting back Lebron, Durant or CP3, Rondo is not being moved.  If you want to move Rondo for anything resembling Cousins + Evans/Jimmer/Thomas etc.  you are not very good at running an NBA franchise.

I guess you can also add Westbrook and Curry to your short list


Quote
The Celtics find Rondo's personality to be too high-maintenance and his clashes with coach Doc Rivers remain an off-court distraction, sources told Broussard, and the front office is now actively pitching him to other teams. With the Celtics realizing they are no longer title contenders, they don't believe his point guard prowess is worth the headaches Rondo brings, sources say. And they do not want to build around him.

In December, the Celtics had discussions with Golden State about a Stephen Curry-for-Rondo deal, and one source says it was Golden State that decided against pulling the trigger. But Curry's recent ankle injuries, which have caused him several problems in his short career, have given the Celtics pause.

The potential trade is still being discussed by Boston's braintrust, but they aren't sure they want to go forward with it. It also isn't clear whether the Warriors would be willing to do it. Other players would have to be thrown in to make it work financially.


Also Broussard in Nov/11:

Quote
Boston offered Rondo & Jeff Green to OKC for Westbrook & KPerkins after last season's playoffs. OKC was not interested, sources say.

Wasn't that December of last year?

Supposedly, we were gonna flip Curry to NO for Chris Paul.

And I never believed that OKC rumor, we had just completed the Perk/Jeff trade a couple of months earlier - there's CBA rules against reacquiring players that soon.
Title: Re: Chad Ford: "I'd be shocked if Celtics didn't get something done."
Post by: pearljammer10 on January 11, 2013, 09:10:43 AM
Unless we're getting back Lebron, Durant or CP3, Rondo is not being moved.  If you want to move Rondo for anything resembling Cousins + Evans/Jimmer/Thomas etc.  you are not very good at running an NBA franchise.

I guess you can also add Westbrook and Curry to your short list


Quote
The Celtics find Rondo's personality to be too high-maintenance and his clashes with coach Doc Rivers remain an off-court distraction, sources told Broussard, and the front office is now actively pitching him to other teams. With the Celtics realizing they are no longer title contenders, they don't believe his point guard prowess is worth the headaches Rondo brings, sources say. And they do not want to build around him.

In December, the Celtics had discussions with Golden State about a Stephen Curry-for-Rondo deal, and one source says it was Golden State that decided against pulling the trigger. But Curry's recent ankle injuries, which have caused him several problems in his short career, have given the Celtics pause.

The potential trade is still being discussed by Boston's braintrust, but they aren't sure they want to go forward with it. It also isn't clear whether the Warriors would be willing to do it. Other players would have to be thrown in to make it work financially.


Also Broussard in Nov/11:

Quote
Boston offered Rondo & Jeff Green to OKC for Westbrook & KPerkins after last season's playoffs. OKC was not interested, sources say.

Wasn't that December of last year?

Supposedly, we were gonna flip Curry to NO for Chris Paul.

And I never believed that OKC rumor, we had just completed the Perk/Jeff trade a couple of months earlier - there's CBA rules against reacquiring players that soon.

Yeah Im with you on this.
Title: Re: Chad Ford: "I'd be shocked if Celtics didn't get something done."
Post by: pearljammer10 on January 11, 2013, 09:19:53 AM
If Russel Westbrook is ever wearing a Celtics uniform I will be a sad man.

Plays the exact opposite of how I want my PG to play.

TP for this man. Westbrook still makes such terrible decisions with the ball its wild.

There was one game I watched where Durant has a mis match in the post but instead Westbrook jacked up a three, got his own rebound off a clank, Durant still had the mismatch but Westbrook jacked up a shot as soon as he got the long rebound, clanked again, OKC got a second rebound, reset the offense to Westbrook, who looked to Durant with an ok i guess you can have your turn look, he still had his mismatch. Westbrook finally gave him the ball and Durant scored in less than 3 seconds.
Title: Re: Chad Ford: "I'd be shocked if Celtics didn't get something done."
Post by: jdz101 on January 11, 2013, 09:23:45 AM
Unless we're getting back Lebron, Durant or CP3, Rondo is not being moved.  If you want to move Rondo for anything resembling Cousins + Evans/Jimmer/Thomas etc.  you are not very good at running an NBA franchise.

I guess you can also add Westbrook and Curry to your short list


Quote
The Celtics find Rondo's personality to be too high-maintenance and his clashes with coach Doc Rivers remain an off-court distraction, sources told Broussard, and the front office is now actively pitching him to other teams. With the Celtics realizing they are no longer title contenders, they don't believe his point guard prowess is worth the headaches Rondo brings, sources say. And they do not want to build around him.

In December, the Celtics had discussions with Golden State about a Stephen Curry-for-Rondo deal, and one source says it was Golden State that decided against pulling the trigger. But Curry's recent ankle injuries, which have caused him several problems in his short career, have given the Celtics pause.

The potential trade is still being discussed by Boston's braintrust, but they aren't sure they want to go forward with it. It also isn't clear whether the Warriors would be willing to do it. Other players would have to be thrown in to make it work financially.


Also Broussard in Nov/11:

Quote
Boston offered Rondo & Jeff Green to OKC for Westbrook & KPerkins after last season's playoffs. OKC was not interested, sources say.

Wasn't that December of last year?

Supposedly, we were gonna flip Curry to NO for Chris Paul.

And I never believed that OKC rumor, we had just completed the Perk/Jeff trade a couple of months earlier - there's CBA rules against reacquiring players that soon.

Yeah Im with you on this.

Chris Broussard is an idiot. Believe nothing he says or "reports".

Woj from yahoo is the only one of these guys that has reported anything with any accuracy recently.

Don't get me started on "insider" sherrod blakely. Apparently kris joseph getting waived was to make room for a Demarcus cousins trade.
Title: Re: Chad Ford: "I'd be shocked if Celtics didn't get something done."
Post by: pearljammer10 on January 11, 2013, 09:35:33 AM
Unless we're getting back Lebron, Durant or CP3, Rondo is not being moved.  If you want to move Rondo for anything resembling Cousins + Evans/Jimmer/Thomas etc.  you are not very good at running an NBA franchise.

I guess you can also add Westbrook and Curry to your short list


Quote
The Celtics find Rondo's personality to be too high-maintenance and his clashes with coach Doc Rivers remain an off-court distraction, sources told Broussard, and the front office is now actively pitching him to other teams. With the Celtics realizing they are no longer title contenders, they don't believe his point guard prowess is worth the headaches Rondo brings, sources say. And they do not want to build around him.

In December, the Celtics had discussions with Golden State about a Stephen Curry-for-Rondo deal, and one source says it was Golden State that decided against pulling the trigger. But Curry's recent ankle injuries, which have caused him several problems in his short career, have given the Celtics pause.

The potential trade is still being discussed by Boston's braintrust, but they aren't sure they want to go forward with it. It also isn't clear whether the Warriors would be willing to do it. Other players would have to be thrown in to make it work financially.


Also Broussard in Nov/11:

Quote
Boston offered Rondo & Jeff Green to OKC for Westbrook & KPerkins after last season's playoffs. OKC was not interested, sources say.

Wasn't that December of last year?

Supposedly, we were gonna flip Curry to NO for Chris Paul.

And I never believed that OKC rumor, we had just completed the Perk/Jeff trade a couple of months earlier - there's CBA rules against reacquiring players that soon.

Yeah Im with you on this.

Chris Broussard is an idiot. Believe nothing he says or "reports".

Woj from yahoo is the only one of these guys that has reported anything with any accuracy recently.

Don't get me started on "insider" sherrod blakely. Apparently kris joseph getting waived was to make room for a Demarcus cousins trade.

Broussard and Blakely could fight it out for idiot of the year and somehow they'd both win.
Title: Re: Chad Ford: "I'd be shocked if Celtics didn't get something done."
Post by: Eddie20 on January 11, 2013, 09:49:36 AM
Unless we're getting back Lebron, Durant or CP3, Rondo is not being moved.  If you want to move Rondo for anything resembling Cousins + Evans/Jimmer/Thomas etc.  you are not very good at running an NBA franchise.

I guess you can also add Westbrook and Curry to your short list


Quote
The Celtics find Rondo's personality to be too high-maintenance and his clashes with coach Doc Rivers remain an off-court distraction, sources told Broussard, and the front office is now actively pitching him to other teams. With the Celtics realizing they are no longer title contenders, they don't believe his point guard prowess is worth the headaches Rondo brings, sources say. And they do not want to build around him.

In December, the Celtics had discussions with Golden State about a Stephen Curry-for-Rondo deal, and one source says it was Golden State that decided against pulling the trigger. But Curry's recent ankle injuries, which have caused him several problems in his short career, have given the Celtics pause.

The potential trade is still being discussed by Boston's braintrust, but they aren't sure they want to go forward with it. It also isn't clear whether the Warriors would be willing to do it. Other players would have to be thrown in to make it work financially.


Also Broussard in Nov/11:

Quote
Boston offered Rondo & Jeff Green to OKC for Westbrook & KPerkins after last season's playoffs. OKC was not interested, sources say.

Wasn't that December of last year?

Supposedly, we were gonna flip Curry to NO for Chris Paul.

And I never believed that OKC rumor, we had just completed the Perk/Jeff trade a couple of months earlier - there's CBA rules against reacquiring players that soon.

November 29th, 2011.

The CBA rules are against re-aquiring players if they are waived after they're traded. I don't believe there is anything against them being traded back.
Title: Re: Chad Ford: "I'd be shocked if Celtics didn't get something done."
Post by: pearljammer10 on January 11, 2013, 10:06:38 AM
Unless we're getting back Lebron, Durant or CP3, Rondo is not being moved.  If you want to move Rondo for anything resembling Cousins + Evans/Jimmer/Thomas etc.  you are not very good at running an NBA franchise.

I guess you can also add Westbrook and Curry to your short list


Quote
The Celtics find Rondo's personality to be too high-maintenance and his clashes with coach Doc Rivers remain an off-court distraction, sources told Broussard, and the front office is now actively pitching him to other teams. With the Celtics realizing they are no longer title contenders, they don't believe his point guard prowess is worth the headaches Rondo brings, sources say. And they do not want to build around him.

In December, the Celtics had discussions with Golden State about a Stephen Curry-for-Rondo deal, and one source says it was Golden State that decided against pulling the trigger. But Curry's recent ankle injuries, which have caused him several problems in his short career, have given the Celtics pause.

The potential trade is still being discussed by Boston's braintrust, but they aren't sure they want to go forward with it. It also isn't clear whether the Warriors would be willing to do it. Other players would have to be thrown in to make it work financially.


Also Broussard in Nov/11:

Quote
Boston offered Rondo & Jeff Green to OKC for Westbrook & KPerkins after last season's playoffs. OKC was not interested, sources say.

Wasn't that December of last year?

Supposedly, we were gonna flip Curry to NO for Chris Paul.

And I never believed that OKC rumor, we had just completed the Perk/Jeff trade a couple of months earlier - there's CBA rules against reacquiring players that soon.

November 29th, 2011.

The CBA rules are against re-aquiring players if they are waived after they're traded. I don't believe there is anything against them being traded back.

There has to be something about a number of days needed to wait before a player gets traded back to the same team? I would imagine.
Title: Re: Chad Ford: "I'd be shocked if Celtics didn't get something done."
Post by: pearljammer10 on January 11, 2013, 10:11:28 AM
Unless we're getting back Lebron, Durant or CP3, Rondo is not being moved.  If you want to move Rondo for anything resembling Cousins + Evans/Jimmer/Thomas etc.  you are not very good at running an NBA franchise.

I guess you can also add Westbrook and Curry to your short list


Quote
The Celtics find Rondo's personality to be too high-maintenance and his clashes with coach Doc Rivers remain an off-court distraction, sources told Broussard, and the front office is now actively pitching him to other teams. With the Celtics realizing they are no longer title contenders, they don't believe his point guard prowess is worth the headaches Rondo brings, sources say. And they do not want to build around him.

In December, the Celtics had discussions with Golden State about a Stephen Curry-for-Rondo deal, and one source says it was Golden State that decided against pulling the trigger. But Curry's recent ankle injuries, which have caused him several problems in his short career, have given the Celtics pause.

The potential trade is still being discussed by Boston's braintrust, but they aren't sure they want to go forward with it. It also isn't clear whether the Warriors would be willing to do it. Other players would have to be thrown in to make it work financially.


Also Broussard in Nov/11:

Quote
Boston offered Rondo & Jeff Green to OKC for Westbrook & KPerkins after last season's playoffs. OKC was not interested, sources say.

Wasn't that December of last year?

Supposedly, we were gonna flip Curry to NO for Chris Paul.

And I never believed that OKC rumor, we had just completed the Perk/Jeff trade a couple of months earlier - there's CBA rules against reacquiring players that soon.

November 29th, 2011.

The CBA rules are against re-aquiring players if they are waived after they're traded. I don't believe there is anything against them being traded back.

There has to be something about a number of days needed to wait before a player gets traded back to the same team? I would imagine.

This is a direct quote from the CBA website

Quote
A team cannot reacquire a player they traded away during that season (a season being July 1 - June 30).

If he is waived by his new team, then he cannot re-sign with his original team until the one-year anniversary of the trade, or until the July 1 following the end of his contract, whichever comes first. However, if a team trades a player's draft rights, they can reacquire the player during the same season.
Title: Re: Chad Ford: "I'd be shocked if Celtics didn't get something done."
Post by: wdleehi on January 11, 2013, 10:17:49 AM
I can see anyone but KG (and probably Pierce) being traded for the right package in Ainge's eyes. 


This includes Rondo.  I could see Ainge try to trade Rondo for Evans and Cousins.  (possibly sending Evans to another team for a starting level PG)



Do I like such a move?
Not really. 

But I can see it happening with Ainge.
Title: Re: Chad Ford: "I'd be shocked if Celtics didn't get something done."
Post by: Roy H. on January 11, 2013, 10:19:19 AM
The CBA rules are against re-aquiring players if they are waived after they're traded. I don't believe there is anything against them being traded back.

You can't trade for a player you've traded away in the same season.  This rule was in place during the last CBA, as well.  They modified the rule about re-acquiring waived players to make it consistent with the no-trade rule.

The only exception is that if you trade a player's draft rights -- before they're signed -- you can acquire that player during the same season.
Title: Re: Chad Ford: "I'd be shocked if Celtics didn't get something done."
Post by: pearljammer10 on January 11, 2013, 10:21:02 AM
I can see anyone but KG (and probably Pierce) being traded for the right package in Ainge's eyes. 


This includes Rondo.  I could see Ainge try to trade Rondo for Evans and Cousins.  (possibly sending Evans to another team for a starting level PG)



Do I like such a move?
Not really. 

But I can see it happening with Ainge.

I could see this too. A three team deal where we get Cousins and a starting caliber PG, Kings get Rondo, Evans and another to the other team for a PG.

Like you say. I don't like it. But Ainge would be the one to do such a thing.
Title: Re: Chad Ford: "I'd be shocked if Celtics didn't get something done."
Post by: pearljammer10 on January 11, 2013, 10:53:42 AM
I could see Ainge making something like this happening... (Plus Jack would be a good replacement obtainable PG if we had to part with Rondo. Yuck the thought makes me sick!)

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=admwaza (http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=admwaza)

(Edit* link should now work! Thanks BudWeiser)

With the main players being (And just these four in the deal working in trade checker):
Rondo to the Kings
Cousins and Jack to the Celts
Evans to the Warriors

The Kings would probably want more however.

Back to that deal however. Kings and Warriors swap Bierndnies and Salmons. 2 not so great contracts for either team but the Kings save one year on Bierdnis's deal and give them an extra big man.

Jack/Terry
Bradley/Lee
Pierce/Green
KG/Sully
Cousins/Wilcox
Title: Re: Chad Ford: "I'd be shocked if Celtics didn't get something done."
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on January 11, 2013, 10:55:36 AM
I could see Ainge making something like this happening... (Plus Jack would be a good replacement obtainable PG if we had to part with Rondo. Yuck the thought makes me sick!)

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine (http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine)

With the main players being (And just these four in the deal working in trade checker):
Rondo to the Kings
Cousins and Jack to the Celts
Evans to the Warriors

The Kings would probably want more however.

Back to that deal however. Kings and Warriors swap Bierndnies and Salmons. 2 not so great contracts for either team but the Kings save one year on Bierdnis's deal and give them an extra big man.

Jack/Terry
Bradley/Lee
Pierce/Green
KG/Sully
Cousins/Wilcox

You didn't link us to your trade proposal :P

But that's an interesting proposal... I'm a huge fan of Jack.
Title: Re: Chad Ford: "I'd be shocked if Celtics didn't get something done."
Post by: pearljammer10 on January 11, 2013, 11:01:03 AM
I could see Ainge making something like this happening... (Plus Jack would be a good replacement obtainable PG if we had to part with Rondo. Yuck the thought makes me sick!)

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine (http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine)

With the main players being (And just these four in the deal working in trade checker):
Rondo to the Kings
Cousins and Jack to the Celts
Evans to the Warriors

The Kings would probably want more however.

Back to that deal however. Kings and Warriors swap Bierndnies and Salmons. 2 not so great contracts for either team but the Kings save one year on Bierdnis's deal and give them an extra big man.

Jack/Terry
Bradley/Lee
Pierce/Green
KG/Sully
Cousins/Wilcox

You didn't link us to your trade proposal :P

But that's an interesting proposal... I'm a huge fan of Jack.

Crud! Try this... http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=admwaza (http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=admwaza)

And I am too. He is a very efficient and smart point guard. He runs the pick and roll well and has a good intelligent game on both sides of the floor.
Title: Re: Chad Ford: "I'd be shocked if Celtics didn't get something done."
Post by: jdz101 on January 11, 2013, 11:06:52 AM
What's the bet that chad ford will be shocked?
Title: Re: Chad Ford: "I'd be shocked if Celtics didn't get something done."
Post by: Snakehead on January 11, 2013, 11:13:37 AM
What's the bet that chad ford will be shocked?

Quite good I think.

The players we have people really want Ainge doesn't want to trade.
Title: Re: Chad Ford: "I'd be shocked if Celtics didn't get something done."
Post by: mctyson on January 11, 2013, 03:05:08 PM
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Will (Manhattan)

Do you see the Celtics making any trades as the deadline nears?
Chad Ford  (1:23 PM)

Yes. I would put them up there with the Rockets, Grizzlies and Lakers as the most active teams right now. I'd be shocked if they didn't get something done. May or may not include Rondo, but the Celtics are looking for a youngish player to fill out their front line.

This chat was from yesterday (1/9). Do you really think Danny would make a move as major as trading Rondo if this team continues to win and play well?

Chad Ford is throwing out his opinion.  He knows Danny is a dealer who will do anything that he thinks could make his team better.
Title: Re: Chad Ford: "I'd be shocked if Celtics didn't get something done."
Post by: ScottHow on January 11, 2013, 03:10:11 PM
I could see Ainge making something like this happening... (Plus Jack would be a good replacement obtainable PG if we had to part with Rondo. Yuck the thought makes me sick!)

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=admwaza (http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=admwaza)

(Edit* link should now work! Thanks BudWeiser)

With the main players being (And just these four in the deal working in trade checker):
Rondo to the Kings
Cousins and Jack to the Celts
Evans to the Warriors

The Kings would probably want more however.

Back to that deal however. Kings and Warriors swap Bierndnies and Salmons. 2 not so great contracts for either team but the Kings save one year on Bierdnis's deal and give them an extra big man.

Jack/Terry
Bradley/Lee
Pierce/Green
KG/Sully
Cousins/Wilcox

I'd do that, Jack is a solid pg