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Title: Who is Kevin Garnett? What has he done?
Post by: TheBigTicket23 on January 10, 2013, 09:53:54 AM
I make this topic to hopefully get some clear answers and to see what's your opinion about the following subject:

When I think of Kevin Garnett, I see he is my favourite player, I pretty much love everything about him. He is loyal, passion, pride, hall of famer so important for the current team, KG is a celtic and I'm super happy he will retire as a Celtic :)
Not only he is my favourite player but I also really look up against him on the way he lives. His work ethic, respect for family and friends, he helps everybody who is on your team etc..

When I discuss him on a Dutch Forum (I'm from the Netherlands) some people who know pretty much about the game and history don't like him anymore, call him dirty, call him disrespectfull to other players etc... I'm always there and try everything to defend him. Obviously he is not so much a fan favourite anymore around the NBA (ofcourse he is in Boston!). But the're are just a few incidents which I want to know a little more about.

- KG vs Tim Duncan. I cannot believe KG said something like, Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. you motherEdited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline.er on mothersday against Duncan? Does someone know a little more about this? Ofcourse there is this scene that he slaps Duncan on the back of his head.

- The Villanueva scene, well alright he just called him a cancer to his team right (not so smart either with his hair sickness), he didn't call him a cancer patient?

- And then Carmelo, do you think he talked about his girlfriend, you cannot do that. But I believe KG when he says on his facebook that he didn't and got to much respect for that.

- And then there are some fouls like the on Frye in the groin area which is probably the ONLY thing I don't like about KG.

What do you think about all this things and Kevin Garnett his legacy.
I found a good article on nba.com today about it aswell...
http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2013/01/09/blogtable-the-thing-about-kg/?ls=iref:nbahpt6f

I see him a my hero but I just hope he doesn't say such stupid things because that would me personally give him a little less respect. But I'm glad these things are just on the basketbal court and not like Kidd/Olajuwon who mistreat their wifes...

Hope to see some clear opinions and reactions! :) Celtics for life!!
Title: Re: Who is Kevin Garnett? What has he done?
Post by: scaryjerry on January 10, 2013, 10:16:13 AM
he's simply not the golden child you think he is...he's got the worst mouth in the history of the nba, is a cheap shot artist, bullys lesser players, and was never a good teammate in Minnesota like he's praised for being here... but who really cares he's an all time great and mellowed considerably in recent years, has become a true legendary Celtic and a first ballot hall of famer...I find it infuriating he's praised for the same reason rondo is called a punk by his own fanbase
Title: Re: Who is Kevin Garnett? What has he done?
Post by: pearljammer10 on January 10, 2013, 10:52:05 AM
A cheap punk who is number 17 all time in scoring, 12th all time in rebounding, 19th all time in blocked shots, and 18th in steals.

Worst mouth in NBA history? Check. Cheap shot artist? Check. Bully? Check. NBA legend? Check.
Title: Re: Who is Kevin Garnett? What has he done?
Post by: KG_ended_Bias on January 10, 2013, 11:02:07 AM
Why do people care about his mouthing off & cursing other players? He curses himself out about 5-6 times a game which is just a way to keep himself invested in every game. He is a stickler to every detail & every play that happens on the court. I wish just 60% of the NBA cared as much as he does, if so, the NBA would have a great product all 82 games a year. Unfortunately that percentage of guys that care is about 25-30%!
Title: Re: Who is Kevin Garnett? What has he done?
Post by: wiley on January 10, 2013, 11:03:19 AM
Why do people care about his mouthing off & cursing other players? He curses himself out about 5-6 times a game which is just a way to keep himself invested in every game. He is a stickler to every detail & every play that happens on the court. I was just 60% of the NBA cared as much as he does, if so, the NBA would have a great product all 82 games a year. Unfortunately that percentage of guys that care is about 25-30%!

beautifully said.  tp.
Title: Re: Who is Kevin Garnett? What has he done?
Post by: CelticG1 on January 10, 2013, 11:03:44 AM
I think the cheap shot artist bully thing etc is just so overblown.

Competitive sports and your trying to get an edge. That sack tap is probably the most overblown thing in the world. That happens in the collegiate/high school level in different sports.

Im sorry but nothing in the NBA as far as "bullying" "cheap shots" I have ever thought of as being that bad at all besides the whole Artest incident.

The NBA is basically PG rated material and people get all up and arms.sometimes because its not G rated

And also I love how the previous 60 years are just ignored. Im sure way worse stuff happened but because it wasn't covered like today people just turn a blind eye.

Although I have heard a lot worse stuff come out of guys mouths like Isaiah Thomas and Karl Malone that were actually pre meditated.
Title: Re: Who is Kevin Garnett? What has he done?
Post by: wiley on January 10, 2013, 11:07:24 AM
KG is the structure and backbone of a Celtics team making its 6th title run.
Title: Re: Who is Kevin Garnett? What has he done?
Post by: Snakehead on January 10, 2013, 11:23:20 AM
An old school type of player.  People say they want it so bad but when one's in front of them so many hate him.

Oh well.  People are full of it, that's what I take out of that.

KG is what a basketball player should be.  There's really no other play I think I would choose if you let me choose any to start a team with.
Title: Re: Who is Kevin Garnett? What has he done?
Post by: LooseCannon on January 10, 2013, 11:57:27 AM
call him dirty, call him disrespectfull to other players etc...

This is part of why I like him.
Title: Re: Who is Kevin Garnett? What has he done?
Post by: Kane3387 on January 10, 2013, 12:18:49 PM
Kevin Garnett changed the culture of this franchise. His intensity, passion, and attention to defense and detail made all around him better. His unselfishness and belief in team caused guys to play for each other rather then themselves.

Kevin Garnett, IMO, is the biggest reason a banner was raised in 2008.

Many guys are good. Fewer are great. And Franchise players are rare. However only a handful of guys within in their generation are culture changers.
Title: Re: Who is Kevin Garnett? What has he done?
Post by: Greenbean on January 10, 2013, 12:24:20 PM
he's simply not the golden child you think he is...he's got the worst mouth in the history of the nba, is a cheap shot artist, bullys lesser players, and was never a good teammate in Minnesota like he's praised for being here... but who really cares he's an all time great and mellowed considerably in recent years, has become a true legendary Celtic and a first ballot hall of famer...I find it infuriating he's praised for the same reason rondo is called a punk by his own fanbase

Where are you getting he wasn't a good teammate in Sota? All your other comments are positives in my opinion. The only thing I don't like about Rondo is when he isn't on the court...so he has to figure out how to stay composed enough for his TEAM in order to avoid suspensions.
Title: Re: Who is Kevin Garnett? What has he done?
Post by: Celtics18 on January 10, 2013, 12:35:19 PM
Who is Kevin Garnett?

One of the greatest to ever play the game and a Celtic legend.
Title: Re: Who is Kevin Garnett? What has he done?
Post by: barefacedmonk on January 10, 2013, 12:56:02 PM
Kevin Garnett changed the culture of this franchise. His intensity, passion, and attention to defense and detail made all around him better. His unselfishness and belief in team caused guys to play for each other rather then themselves.

Kevin Garnett, IMO, is the biggest reason a banner was raised in 2008.

Many guys are good. Fewer are great. And Franchise players are rare. However only a handful of guys within in their generation are culture changers.

TP.
Title: Re: Who is Kevin Garnett? What has he done?
Post by: rav123 on January 10, 2013, 01:40:28 PM
OP,

Yes, Garnett is "dirty". He's done most of the things you've mentioned. The Duncan's Mom insult is not as definitive (don't think there's a video where we can lip-read or whatever). I'm pretty sure he called Villanueva a "cancer patient" - who says "you are a cancer to your team and our league" on a basketball court, unless they're an 18th-century British aristocrat?

He's elbowed people in the head, slapped them, tapped their nuts, undercut them etc. But players like Wade and Chris Paul have done the same. Think the reputation of him going after only small white guys is overblown - there are fights with Tim Duncan, Andray Blatche etc. who are neither white nor tiny. Though I guess small white guys are only ~10% of the NBA but make up ~50% of Garnett's fights.

Also, we gotta think about how today's NBA is a lot "nicer" than it used to be. Legends like Michael Jordan, Isaiah Thomas were known to be trash-talkers non pareil. Nowadays, any time a player hears something he doesn't like, he can tweet it immediately post game, which wasn't an option back then.

was never a good teammate in Minnesota

Idk about this. Only the time he punched out Rick Rickert agrees with your statement. Wally Szczerbiak didn't like him, but then he was a known whiner. Marbury, too, but that was more contract-related than KG-related. Everybody else who played on the TWolves loved him.
Title: Re: Who is Kevin Garnett? What has he done?
Post by: igorsure on January 10, 2013, 01:41:46 PM
Nobody (other then Celtics fan )like KG, but everybody wants this type of player for their team.

And, yes, probably Carmelo is right, and some words should not be said in any case. You cannot insult people just because they are playing for the other team and you want to win the game. But who cares in "a-win-is-a-win" land?
Title: Re: Who is Kevin Garnett? What has he done?
Post by: quidinqui33 on January 10, 2013, 02:00:40 PM
I think you can look up to KG and not have to defend yourself about it at all.

If the worst thing that people can say about KG is that he has said some mean things on the court, takes the occasional cheapshot while playing, and has gotten into with teammates, then you are describing every great player that has ever played the game.

I wish they would record the audio of every player that plays any sport at any level, and you honestly tell me that the type of talk that KG does is any worse than anything else that is being said.  It's trash talk, and that's it.  I metaphorically compare it to a comedian making jokes during his job.  Some jokes are very un-PC but it does not necessarily mean that the person feels that way.

People want to say KG is fake tough, and then they go crying to the media when he says something mean to them on the court.  Give me a break.  It happens in all sports...everywhere.  Guys like Carmelo and Villanueva are just being baby's when they take that stuff off the court.  If you are upset about it during the game, do something about it.  Win the game. Talk back.  Fight back.  But don't take it off the court.

KG is a good guy and a good person.  He has never had any off court issues, is a good family guy, and comes to work everyday.  All the other chatter that people say about him is no more significant than anything that is ever said on a basketball court.

Title: Re: Who is Kevin Garnett? What has he done?
Post by: TheBigTicket23 on January 10, 2013, 02:05:28 PM

KG is a good guy and a good person.  He has never had any off court issues, is a good family guy, and comes to work everyday.  All the other chatter that people say about him is no more significant than anything that is ever said on a basketball court.

TP!
Title: Re: Who is Kevin Garnett? What has he done?
Post by: j804 on January 10, 2013, 02:16:12 PM
I love how since we're now doing good ESPN wants to write good things about Garnett. I know he's respected by people who know basketball but guarantee that article would have had some cheap shots on him about huffing and puffing, oh he's too old, the Celtics aren't going anywhere. Blah bla blah.

Hop off the bandwagon can't get on it now.
Title: Re: Who is Kevin Garnett? What has he done?
Post by: Edgar on January 11, 2013, 03:15:32 AM
well.. you dont win this game throwing flowers in the road of the winners

Basketball like it is is a contact game
and usually contact comes with a heavy load of generated anger
Celtics are playing contact big men basketball....amazing...theyre winning.

Remember first game of Collins I loved it , yes Collins is a srub yadayadayada but people in the other team realize theres no an open sign there

Title: Re: Who is Kevin Garnett? What has he done?
Post by: Smutzy#9 on January 11, 2013, 04:08:40 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INZ3hJjW0w4

1:14 nuff said
Title: Re: Who is Kevin Garnett? What has he done?
Post by: j804 on January 11, 2013, 04:15:20 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INZ3hJjW0w4

1:14 nuff said
TP love it 
Title: Re: Who is Kevin Garnett? What has he done?
Post by: Kiorrik on January 11, 2013, 05:39:12 AM
When I discuss him on a Dutch Forum (I'm from the Netherlands) some people who know pretty much about the game and history don't like him anymore, call him dirty, call him disrespectfull to other players etc... I'm always there and try everything to defend him.
Link me these forums - I'll help you out and defend him with ya ;)

I used to live in the Netherlands, moved to Australia!
Title: Re: Who is Kevin Garnett? What has he done?
Post by: mctyson on January 11, 2013, 06:10:54 AM
One thing that is consistently not mentioned about KG is that he altered the NBA landscape for good when he skipped college to go to the NBA.  At the time, everyone went to college.  He was the first person to attempt the high school to pro route in a long time.

He started the wave of high school guys going to the pros.
Title: Re: Who is Kevin Garnett? What has he done?
Post by: freshinthehouse on January 11, 2013, 07:07:02 AM
KG is a good guy and a good person.  He has never had any off court issues, is a good family guy, and comes to work everyday.  All the other chatter that people say about him is no more significant than anything that is ever said on a basketball court.

Haha I'm not too sure about that.  Dude has had a mistress since his days back in Minny.
Title: Re: Who is Kevin Garnett? What has he done?
Post by: ACF on January 11, 2013, 07:24:48 AM
The sad part is, while people are busy hatin' on KG, they are missing are a lot of other minute details in KG's game, stuff he does which enables his team to win basketball games. They really don't recognize that they're watching one of the all-time greats. A type of player that only comes around every 10 or 15 years and just dominates from day 1. KG pretty much did that. Still is, on this Celtic team. And some people, some casual fans, do not recognize it because they're busy spewing venom. That's sad. Just sad. Maybe they'll come around some day. One can only hope. Kevin Garnett's impact on the basketball court goes way beyond stat lines and you have to acknowledge that, whether you love KG or you hate him.


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"They only hate you when you're fabulous."

Title: Re: Who is Kevin Garnett? What has he done?
Post by: Eja117 on January 15, 2013, 09:40:13 AM
KG is a good guy and a good person.  He has never had any off court issues, is a good family guy, and comes to work everyday.  All the other chatter that people say about him is no more significant than anything that is ever said on a basketball court.

Haha I'm not too sure about that.  Dude has had a mistress since his days back in Minny.
Whaaaattt? How do keep that quiet in this day and age? Wife could divorce him, take $50 mill, the kids, and two houses
Title: Re: Who is Kevin Garnett? What has he done?
Post by: Eja117 on January 15, 2013, 09:45:46 AM
A cheap punk who is number 17 all time in scoring, 12th all time in rebounding, 19th all time in blocked shots, and 18th in steals.

Worst mouth in NBA history? Check. Cheap shot artist? Check. Bully? Check. NBA legend? Check.
So basically he would fit right in with Celts and Pistons of the 80s but is completely out of place in this corporate pretty boy era of guards you can't touch where the commissioner fines you for not wearing a tie. check.

Ironically KG being the first high schooler in a while to go pro ushered in this era as the next three high schoolers that followed him were Kobe, Jermaine O N, and TMac.

But then thooosse guys ushered in Kwame Brown, D Howard, Bron, and Melo.
Title: Re: Who is Kevin Garnett? What has he done?
Post by: RyNye on January 15, 2013, 10:15:33 AM
What really bothers me is the hypocrisy of people when talking about KG.

Everyone likes to say he is a "fake tough guy," all talk, and will never actually start anything. As if that is somehow a bad thing? How is not escalating trash talk into a brawl a NEGATIVE quality? If KG actually did start a fight, these same people would stop calling him a fake tough guy and would start calling him Ron Artest.

It's just a stupid excuse made up by people who don't like KG. And 100% of the time it is said by people who themselves would never start a fight, or probably even get into a confrontation in the first place.
Title: Re: Who is Kevin Garnett? What has he done?
Post by: Snakehead on January 15, 2013, 10:18:03 AM
What really bothers me is the hypocrisy of people when talking about KG.

Everyone likes to say he is a "fake tough guy," all talk, and will never actually start anything. As if that is somehow a bad thing? How is not escalating trash talk into a brawl a NEGATIVE quality? If KG actually did start a fight, these same people would stop calling him a fake tough guy and would start calling him Ron Artest.

It's just a stupid excuse made up by people who don't like KG. And 100% of the time it is said by people who themselves would never start a fight, or probably even get into a confrontation in the first place.

These are similar people who say athletes don't care about winning or team anymore, athletes are too buddy buddy, athletes won't commit to teams, and miss the "old school" hard nosed style.

Here is that player in the modern era and they all hate him.
Title: Re: Who is Kevin Garnett? What has he done?
Post by: LA_33 on January 15, 2013, 11:32:59 AM
KG is a good guy and a good person.  He has never had any off court issues, is a good family guy, and comes to work everyday.  All the other chatter that people say about him is no more significant than anything that is ever said on a basketball court.

Haha I'm not too sure about that.  Dude has had a mistress since his days back in Minny.
Whaaaattt? How do keep that quiet in this day and age? Wife could divorce him, take $50 mill, the kids, and two houses
His wife almost certainly knows about any extracurriculars, and accepts it as the reality of herself and the kids living the "NBA wives" lifestyle.

It's probably safe to assume that a LOT of pro athletes "cheat" (or "open" relationships with mistresses on the side), it's just how these kinds of egos often work. 

- KG vs Tim Duncan. I cannot believe KG said something like, **** you mother****er on mothersday against Duncan? Does someone know a little more about this? Ofcourse there is this scene that he slaps Duncan on the back of his head.

As for this, the story as I've heard it is that the first time they played after Duncan's mother died, KG greeted him before the opening tip by saying "Happy Mother's Day!"

Which is freaking horrible, but also pretty epic trash talking. 

As for the LaLa/Melo stuff, unfortunately I know suspect that the "honey nut cheerios" comment probably didn't happen, but frankly I wish it had, because he pretty clearly said something to Melo about his (estranged) wife, but there's almost no chance that it was as funny as that probably-made-up line.
Title: Re: Who is Kevin Garnett? What has he done?
Post by: timobusa on January 15, 2013, 05:49:17 PM
Duncans mother died when he was 14, that was way long after he got into the NBA