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Around the League => Around the NBA => Topic started by: cman88 on January 09, 2013, 10:14:52 PM
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I cant really think of another NBA team who has had so many all-stars on it that was such a dissapointment....has there been??
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If the season continues this way? I don't see how they could not be. It is absolutely shocking how terrible they are. I didn't see it coming at all.
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bad coach, quick fire
hire another bad coach
kobe might be a great player but he's a jerk, team rift for sure
so what about this steve nash bumping ref that mike & tommy were talking about?
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so what about this steve nash bumping ref that mike & tommy were talking about?
when did that happen?
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so what about this steve nash bumping ref that mike & tommy were talking about?
when did that happen?
i don't know, tommy & mike were talking about it but i haven't seen it
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so what about this steve nash bumping ref that mike & tommy were talking about?
when did that happen?
I saw it. It was yesterday, a call went the other way and Nash walked down court with his arm over the official's back pleading his cause. It wasn't anything aggressive of course, but still, he indeed touched him.
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Its ALL THE COACHS fault ::)
KOBE playing selfish ball is at least 50% of the problem. a
He is the Ultimate Carmelo Anthony ....BALL HOG ..el Diva
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The Lakers have generally been underwhelming. Even Kobe, who has played matador defense the whole season. They need someone to kick their butts around and set their defense up.
But yes, it's hard to believe that they are not a .500 team based on their starters' talent alone. It's like they have been coached down and/or have serious chemistry issues.
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I REALLY hate to be a Laker advocate, but they've been absolutely killed by injuries this year.
That being said, some of the games they've lost (when healthy or not) this season were embarrassing.
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If this continues...
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I REALLY hate to be a Laker advocate, but they've been absolutely killed by injuries this year.
That being said, some of the games they've lost (when healthy or not) this season were embarrassing.
Yeah the Lakers have had terrible depth for years, but overall great health and top level talent have kept them at the top.
Now health and poor roster fit have really killed them.
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so what about this steve nash bumping ref that mike & tommy were talking about?
when did that happen?
I saw it. It was yesterday, a call went the other way and Nash walked down court with his arm over the official's back pleading his cause. It wasn't anything aggressive of course, but still, he indeed touched him.
funny
well rondo's suspension was a joke, have to see if the league continues with nash
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so what about this steve nash bumping ref that mike & tommy were talking about?
when did that happen?
I saw it. It was yesterday, a call went the other way and Nash walked down court with his arm over the official's back pleading his cause. It wasn't anything aggressive of course, but still, he indeed touched him.
funny
well rondo's suspension was a joke, have to see if the league continues with nash
It was sorta like when you go to your buddy and say "listen" and you put your arm around him you know? Of course he's not getting suspended, Rondo got suspended because of his history and the way he handled the phone call thingy. Even if it were something severe with Nash, you know the league wouldn't say a thing.
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I REALLY hate to be a Laker advocate, but they've been absolutely killed by injuries this year.
That being said, some of the games they've lost (when healthy or not) this season were embarrassing.
Yeah the Lakers have had terrible depth for years, but overall great health and top level talent have kept them at the top.
Now health and poor roster fit have really killed them.
This is true but this bench is worse than ever.
To get the all star cast, they greatly sacrificed depth. And on a team with aging parts. Now they pay the price.
Can't say I'm not enjoying it.
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Now that the C's are winning, I'd agree.
loving it but I have that horrible feeling deep down that IF the Lakers miss the playoffs this year, they will end up with a top 3 pick and land their next franchise cornerstone
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They haven't disappointed me yet!
;D
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loving it but I have that horrible feeling deep down that IF the Lakers miss the playoffs this year, they will end up with a top 3 pick and land their next franchise cornerstone
Phoenix would be very happy if the Lakers missed the playoffs and wound up in the lottery.
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Based on the starting lineups, easily they are. But if we were to include benchs in this one, they would probably not be referred to as elite.
Winning with 5 players alone is close to impossible, especially if they suffer from injuries at this pace.
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loving it but I have that horrible feeling deep down that IF the Lakers miss the playoffs this year, they will end up with a top 3 pick and land their next franchise cornerstone
Phoenix would be very happy if the Lakers missed the playoffs and wound up in the lottery.
Phx gets their pick but somehow that scumbag franchise always lands on their feet. Frankly, I'd be stunned if they don't somehow end up with a pick in the lottery this year if they miss the playoffs. Could be a Gasol trade. Could be a DH trade if he continues to push the idea he won't resign there. The lakers will scam someone out of their pick >:(
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They've looked more beatable than most thought possible. That's been the biggest surprise IMO.
Still a lot of water to go under the bridge yet but these struggles so far go a long way to ensuring they won't have home court advantage in the Playoffs after the 1st round (should they make it of course) and that could be significant.
Couldn't be happening to a bigger bunch of pricks!
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They haven't disappointed me yet!
;D
hahahaha!
Feel free to post this on the Lakers board!
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loving it but I have that horrible feeling deep down that IF the Lakers miss the playoffs this year, they will end up with a top 3 pick and land their next franchise cornerstone
Good news for you, in the trade with the Suns they agreed to send their pick to the Suns if it was in the top 14 (aka lottery).
So there is no upside for them missing the playoffs. Of course that also means they're not ever going to throw in the towel and just tank. They can still make the playoffs, though its going to be very tough.
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Nowhere near as star studded, but when I think of failures…
2002 Milwaukee Bucks.
In 2001 they lost in the ECF in 7 games to the Iverson-led Sixers. There is the belief by some that Stern wanted Philly and not the Bucks in the Finals and will point to the foul shot discrepancy between the 2 teams.
The Bucks had 3 relatively young All-Stars, in Ray Allen (25), Glenn Robison (28), and Sam Cassell (31), though Sam wouldn’t become an All-Star for a few years, he had All-Star talent.
A young stud Tim Thomas, shockingly re-signed with the Bucks, even though he was coming off the bench, instead of attempting to be a star somewhere else. Ray Allen even said of him, "If he wanted to, Tim Thomas could be the best player in the league." He re-signed, to come off the bench, in Milwaukee!
A 52 win team, 3 All-Stars, and many Bucks fan’s probably thought of Tim Thomas like we think of Sullinger, or thought of Big Al, or whoever.
Then they go out and sign Anthony Mason coming off an All-Star year. That’s like 4 All-Stars and a future All-Star, on a team that won 52 games and went to game 7 of the ECF, Going into March I believe they were 2nd in the East, 1st in their division, at 35-25, then go 6-16 the rest of the way. Missing the playoffs.
One game away from the Finals, brought everybody back and added an All-Star, yet missed the playoffs.
Not a big market, so nobody remembered, and not as big as the Lakers missing would be, but still quite the disappointment.
Also think of the '99 Rockets. Had Barkely and Olajuwon, had there not been a lockout, Drexler might have stuck around too. They go out and sign Scottie Pippen. 1st round playoff loss in 4 games. Again not as big of a disappointment as the Lakers would be, but still disappointing.
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No. I still think it's 2010 Miami Heat.
That team should have won the Championship. But hey, I think they erased that by winning the next year.
Them and the Dallas team that got bounced by the Dubs in the 1st round.
As star studded as the Lakers current team is, we gotta put into perspective that Nash is old, Howard is not himself they have no bench at all. The Miami team, while has no solid bench either have 3 healthy, in their prime superstars, one being the MVP. The Dallas team, well...
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I've been losing alot of sleep over the Lakers poor showing this year.
I worry do they have enough stars to really compete.?
How can they be expected to win with such second rate stars.
If I was STERN ..I would immediately make some small franchise teams give up their stars like ..DURANT and ZBO ...its not fair .
My heart is so broken over the Lakers woes...
They deserve much better players.
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I wonder how much different this Lakers team would look if the Chris Paul trade actually went through. Would they still have been able to swing a deal for Howard. They would be lacking even more pieces than they have now.
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I think the 2004 Lakers were a bigger disappointment. They had Gary Payton, Karl Malone, Kobe and Shaq. People thought they were a lock for the championship, but they got beat by a team with no superstars, the Detroit Pistons.
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I think the 2004 Lakers were a bigger disappointment. They had Gary Payton, Karl Malone, Kobe and Shaq. People thought they were a lock for the championship, but they got beat by a team with no superstars, the Detroit Pistons.
They still made the Finals and Malone was hurt badly and couldn't play there.
Plus Detroit wasn't chopped liver either, they returned to the Finals and almost defeated the Spurs next year.
I don't see how 2004 Lakers were more disappointing than this current Lakers squad potentially missing the playoffs.
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No. I still think it's 2010 Miami Heat.
That team should have won the Championship. But hey, I think they erased that by winning the next year.
Them and the Dallas team that got bounced by the Dubs in the 1st round.
As star studded as the Lakers current team is, we gotta put into perspective that Nash is old, Howard is not himself they have no bench at all. The Miami team, while has no solid bench either have 3 healthy, in their prime superstars, one being the MVP. The Dallas team, well...
That team made it to the Finals. Hardly a failure.
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So far, yeah. Lots of injuries but injuries are "disappointing" too, and the names are what people really care about.
Don't forget they've actually got 5 guys with multiple All-Stars (Jamison). With Kobe and Howard locks to make this year's team they might actually finish with more All-Star appearances (at least 36) than wins. How's that for a star-studded depressing stat?
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I think the 2004 Lakers were a bigger disappointment. They had Gary Payton, Karl Malone, Kobe and Shaq. People thought they were a lock for the championship, but they got beat by a team with no superstars, the Detroit Pistons.
They still made the Finals and Malone was hurt badly and couldn't play there.
Plus Detroit wasn't chopped liver either, they returned to the Finals and almost defeated the Spurs next year.
I don't see how 2004 Lakers were more disappointing than this current Lakers squad potentially missing the playoffs.
Yeah I agree. They got to the Finals.
That Detroit team was good. 5 really good starters and awesome defense.
People overuse superstars lately I think... to me there are like 5 or so superstars in the league at most at any time.
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I wouldn't be surprised if they finally "get it" and start winning games just like the celtics. They certainly have the talent, i'm just not sure if the players themselves believe in D'antoni's system and in each other for that matter. I also think Howard can't handle being second fiddle to Kobe. Sometimes it as though he's just going through the motions while playing, resulting in too many missed easy baskets. If Howard refuses to sign an extension, maybe he gets traded instead of Pau. Howard for Brooke Lopez and change probably?
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I wouldn't be surprised if they finally "get it" and start winning games just like the celtics. They certainly have the talent, i'm just not sure if the players themselves believe in D'antoni's system and in each other for that matter. I also think Howard can't handle being second fiddle to Kobe. Sometimes it as though he's just going through the motions while playing, resulting in too many missed easy baskets. If Howard refuses to sign an extension, maybe he gets traded instead of Pau. Howard for Brooke Lopez and change probably?
The biggest issue for them vs us is they have no room for injuries at all.
We have some. KG and Rondo are pretty essential but a lot of wing and guard depth.
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Also think of the '99 Rockets. Had Barkely and Olajuwon, had there not been a lockout, Drexler might have stuck around too. They go out and sign Scottie Pippen. 1st round playoff loss in 4 games. Again not as big of a disappointment as the Lakers would be, but still disappointing.
On paper, yes, though all of them were well into their thirties by the time.
That said, it's the same for Nash and Kobe, too.
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LAL do not have great snipers if you compary them to NYK. They play a poor defence under D'Antoni's. But I think they are gonna be in playoff.
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As much as I loathe the Lakers and love to see them struggle, I'm believing that they will get it together before it's all said and done.
DH will get healthy, Pau will come back from his concussion, and they will all form some semblance of chemistry.
They are somewhat behind in the standings, but imagine the Lakers, as a 7th or 8th seed - BUT - playing with some chemistry?
They could be perhaps the most dangerous lower-seeded team since...The Boston Celtics 11-12.
As much as I can't stand them I can't count them out just yet.
I guess I am still holding out hope for one last grudge match with them...give them some payback for 09-10 finals. I'd LOVE that.
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They could be perhaps the most dangerous lower-seeded team since...The Boston Celtics 11-12.
As much as I can't stand them I can't count them out just yet.
I will addd
theyre giving their bench time to taste real time NBA
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They could be perhaps the most dangerous lower-seeded team since...The Boston Celtics 11-12.
As much as I can't stand them I can't count them out just yet.
I will addd
theyre giving their bench time to taste real time NBA
That isn't going to make them suddenly talented though.
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As much as I loathe the Lakers and love to see them struggle, I'm believing that they will get it together before it's all said and done.
DH will get healthy, Pau will come back from his concussion, and they will all form some semblance of chemistry.
They are somewhat behind in the standings, but imagine the Lakers, as a 7th or 8th seed - BUT - playing with some chemistry?
They could be perhaps the most dangerous lower-seeded team since...The Boston Celtics 11-12.
As much as I can't stand them I can't count them out just yet.
I guess I am still holding out hope for one last grudge match with them...give them some payback for 09-10 finals. I'd LOVE that.
They'll need to win over 60% of their remaining games just to be in the hunt for the playoffs, and that number will go up until they get their players back. I'm starting to think they'll be more of a dangerous lottery team.
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So many things need to happen for me to be satisfied. None have come to fruition yet and I have no faith that they will:
1. LA does not make the playoffs. Note that if they do make the playoffs it will be on the wings of very strong finish making them very dangerous (of course).
2. Lakers do not pull off a season saving trade for Pau or Dwight.
3. Dwight does not return to LA.
4. Lakers get nothing for Dwight.
I don't have any faith that the Lakers will continue to fail. Each year they will at least seem to be a contender. They have been a constant thorn in my side since the 70's and will continue to be.
BTW -- when you sign a 38 year old PG and trade for a guy just off back surgery, and you have the oldest team in the league, don't you forfeit the right to whine about injuries? Same with C's (though a little better this year re: overall age) -- if we have injuries to our elderly or injury-prone players, we have little right to complain. Risk/Reward.
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Without a doubt and it's not even close! They were predicted by almost everyone to have 4 times the amount of wins they currently have, at season's end. They will be lucky to have 3 times their current amount.
If they miss the playoffs they might have nothing to show for AND then some! not only does their lottery pick and future prospect go to the Suns, but Howard could leave too.
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In most of the Laker Fans eye , this is another "LOST" year, of Kobe being in top form and leading them to the promised land. BOO HOO HOO another Kobe year wasted..HEE HEE HEE HEE HEE HEE ...
I smile everyday knowing it an't happening this year. ;D
I 'd love to see them NOT make the playoffs , never see Jackon again in the NBA..ever again on any team. , and Kobe to retire ASAP. ANd CP3 sign an extension withthe CLIPPERS.....LoL ..last dagger in the LAKERS back.
These are some of my favorite things...
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Without a doubt and it's not even close! They were predicted by almost everyone to have 4 times the amount of wins they currently have, at season's end. They will be lucky to have 3 times their current amount.
If they miss the playoffs they might have nothing to show for AND then some! not only does their lottery pick and future prospect go to the Suns, but Howard could leave too.
It would be hilarious if Howard left
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In most of the Laker Fans eye , this is another "LOST" year, of Kobe being in top form and leading them to the promised land. BOO HOO HOO another Kobe year wasted..HEE HEE HEE HEE HEE HEE ...
I smile everyday knowing it an't happening this year. ;D
I 'd love to see them NOT make the playoffs , never see Jackon again in the NBA..ever again on any team. , and Kobe to retire ASAP. ANd CP3 sign an extension withthe CLIPPERS.....LoL ..last dagger in the LAKERS back.
These are some of my favorite things...
(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n114/TIGERRADIATION/fakersgif.gif)
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I know most posters here are not a big fan of advanced stats, but for the record, many advanced stats predicted before the season the Lakers would be an 8th seed at best. Just sayin'.
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As much as I loathe the Lakers and love to see them struggle, I'm believing that they will get it together before it's all said and done.
DH will get healthy, Pau will come back from his concussion, and they will all form some semblance of chemistry.
They are somewhat behind in the standings, but imagine the Lakers, as a 7th or 8th seed - BUT - playing with some chemistry?
They could be perhaps the most dangerous lower-seeded team since...The Boston Celtics 11-12.
As much as I can't stand them I can't count them out just yet.
I guess I am still holding out hope for one last grudge match with them...give them some payback for 09-10 finals. I'd LOVE that.
They'll need to win over 60% of their remaining games just to be in the hunt for the playoffs, and that number will go up until they get their players back. I'm starting to think they'll be more of a dangerous lottery team.
That would be a dream come true - to see The Los Angeles Lakers as a Lottery Team in my lifetime.
I don't believe that has happened in quite a while.
However, I just don't see it happening. And if the Lakers make the playoffs as even an 8th seed, they will still be extremely dangerous if they have some sort of chemistry established.
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Jack Nicholson has had enough. Nicholson, who has been sitting courtside at Lakers games since before you were old enough to watch The Shining, waved goodbye to someone and left with more than seven minutes to go in the 4th quarter last night. The Lakers lost to the Thunder by 15 and dropped to a dismal 15-21 on the season. Kevin Durant finished with 42 points, eight rebounds and five assists.
Source: www.thebiglead.com/index.php/2013/01/12/jack-nicholson-adam-sandler-have-had-enough-of-this-pathetic-lakers-team-video/
WINNING!! ;D
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Looooove it!!!!!
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As much as I loathe the Lakers and love to see them struggle, I'm believing that they will get it together before it's all said and done.
DH will get healthy, Pau will come back from his concussion, and they will all form some semblance of chemistry.
They are somewhat behind in the standings, but imagine the Lakers, as a 7th or 8th seed - BUT - playing with some chemistry?
They could be perhaps the most dangerous lower-seeded team since...The Boston Celtics 11-12.
As much as I can't stand them I can't count them out just yet.
I guess I am still holding out hope for one last grudge match with them...give them some payback for 09-10 finals. I'd LOVE that.
They'll need to win over 60% of their remaining games just to be in the hunt for the playoffs, and that number will go up until they get their players back. I'm starting to think they'll be more of a dangerous lottery team.
That would be a dream come true - to see The Los Angeles Lakers as a Lottery Team in my lifetime.
I don't believe that has happened in quite a while.
However, I just don't see it happening. And if the Lakers make the playoffs as even an 8th seed, they will still be extremely dangerous if they have some sort of chemistry established.
Well their biggest problem is playing defense, and considering they have one of the absolute worst defensive minds running the show, I wouldn't get my hopes up.
Also, in order to develop chemistry you need your coach to trust you, and things have been very shaky between Gasol and D'Antoni. I don't think that's about to change.
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Those Rockets in the late 90s were too old and truth is Pippen was a horrible fit with Barkley and Olajuwon.
If we're talking sports in general, how bout the eagles the past two years? Remember the "Dream team"? Yeah no.
The Lakers have been a colossal disappointment this year, and that's not just because I hate them. I seriously thought they had a perfect set-up for success even if their bench on paper looked bad. But you know what, it seems pretty explainable now.
What made the Lakers great a few years ago was the edge they had with Odom as their sixth man. A lengthy point forward who could run the offense gave other teams a ton of match-up problems. They don't have that edge anymore and I think they should have tried to get Odom back this off-season (It's not like the Mavericks were aching to keep him or anything). He's slowly but surely coming back to form on the Clips and has given them a spark.
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Another Laker loss is another ray of pure sunshine for my day.
Should be beautiful to watch the Heat nuke the Lakers .
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Another Laker loss is another ray of pure sunshine for my day.
Should be beautiful to watch the Heat nuke the Lakers .
I wish there was a way for both teams to lose that game.