CelticsStrong
Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: BIGTIME_CELTICS on January 09, 2013, 09:37:31 PM
-
Not saying we should be trading Rondo, just some constructive criticism. Luv rondo to death, and he is a superstar for sure
when he is not looking to attack, he does not draw double team like he used to. He is slowing the pace, everybody is standing around. When he gets to the paint, he does not even look at the rim...then kicks out to a contested jump shot.
He is not pushing the tempo either, killing any chance to create easy points. When JT/C.Lee is running the point, quick passes and much better pace.
Rondo needs to start to do all those things now.
-
Until Rondo lets us down big time in the playoffs, when we know he's playing to his full potential and giving it his all, I'll never want to trade him. He's truly unique and yes, he coasts in the regular season, but its not worth it to risk a major injury. Just look what happen to D Rose in garbage time. I believe Rondo will correct the things we criticize him for in the playoffs.
-
Another annoying Rondo hating thread.
-
Another annoying Rondo hating thread.
Well deserved I think.
-
While Rondo did not play well today, he is absolutely crucial to our playoff success. I'm not sure I've ever seen a guy just take it up so many more notches once the big games come in.
Sure, it's frustrating to watch during the regular season, but I'll take a lack of effort right now in exchange for games in May and June.
-
8 points 8 assists 30 mpg
not spectacular anything slow but nothing to make big
hes still an All Star.
-
The whole starting unit didnt play well tonight, the bench won this game. Where's the threads for the other starters?
-
Seems like every season, Rondo misses some time, we win a game, and then all I see is Rondo sucks, trade him, don't need him.
C'mon guys really? I'm not saying Rondo is untradable, but he isn't hurting the team and we aren't better without him.
Don't forget that playoff Rondo is different from mid-season Rondo.
-
The whole starting unit didnt play well tonight, the bench won this game. Where's the threads for the other starters?
Pierce was the only other starter who only played half decent (I wouldn't say played bad).
-
The whole starting unit didnt play well tonight
With the way the bench stepped up tonight, the starters didn't really need to
-
The whole starting unit didnt play well tonight, the bench won this game. Where's the threads for the other starters?
I think it is very obvious that the first unit did not play well because of Rondo. I hope you have watched the game.
-
except for maybe bradley(he really went on a tear offensively/defensively in the 2nd quarter) I thought the whole starting unit looked mediocre
but THAT is why danny constructed this bench...so the starters can have nights like this and the team can still grind out wins.
last year we wouldve killed to have just 1 player on the bench score in double digits....tonight we had 3..
-
except for maybe bradley(he really went on a tear offensively/defensively in the 2nd quarter) I thought the whole starting unit looked mediocre
but THAT is why danny constructed this bench...so the starters can have nights like this and the team can still grind out wins.
last year we wouldve killed to have just 1 player on the bench score in double digits....tonight we had 3..
We might have lost this game last season! Our bench was terrible.
-
The whole starting unit didnt play well tonight, the bench won this game. Where's the threads for the other starters?
I think it is very obvious that the first unit did not play well because of Rondo. I hope you have watched the game.
::)
-
The problem with Rondo for me is how he runs the offense and his effort level. If it's not there, it brings the whole unit down. That's just the reality of it, that's the responsibility that has been placed on his shoulders whether fair or unfair.
And that's something he controls, there's no excuse for it. He can miss shots, he can have zero rebounds, zero assists, but please run the offense as it should. Stop walking the ball up the floor. Stop playing lazily defensively. There's no excuse for those.
-
Not saying we should be trading Rondo, just some constructive criticism. Luv rondo to death, and he is a superstar for sure
when he is not looking to attack, he does not draw double team like he used to. He is slowing the pace, everybody is standing around. When he gets to the paint, he does not even look at the rim...then kicks out to a contested jump shot.
He is not pushing the tempo either, killing any chance to create easy points. When JT/C.Lee is running the point, quick passes and much better pace.
Rondo needs to start to do all those things now.
???
I will say he was low on effort level and energy
but still plays a pretty decent game
Bech plays better
Starters miss a lot of road and not only because of rondo but
because Bass and KG playing slow too.
Even pp was slow on offense and better on rebounding
well next game please
-
Some people just can't take criticism towards a player they like.
-
For the most part, people around here to need to start differentiating between a bad stretch and a bad player.
And when you have a player like Rondo, who has been little short of epic in the playoffs. (Averaging almost a triple-double w/out KG 16.9/9.8/9.7 *2009*, the jason williams steal *2010*, Wade's Takedown *2011*, 76ers Game 7 *2012*, 43 Points vs. Miami *2012* 4 Triple Doubles in the Playoffs *2012*)
You got to call a thread like this after an 8-point win what it is, ridiculous.
-
I think we should just start Sullinger at all five positions.
-
Some people just can't take criticism towards a player they like.
And some criticize towards a player they dont like just because
thats the nature of a place like this
somehow... 8)
-
A good trade Rondo thread should pop up anytime... ???
maybe ;D
-
Some people just can't take criticism towards a player they like.
Very true.
But there is a difference from saying "Rondo had a poor game" and threads like this that say we play better without him. The Celtics clearly don't, plus his two prior games (Hawks/Pacers) were good games!
-
I think we should just start Sullinger at all five positions.
I would almost agree Butttttttttttttttttttttt.
I think AVERY B. deserves that . He is THE MAN
Avery is GOD ;)
-
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/rondora01/on-off/2013/
Taking a look at the on/off stats its funny. We're better in every offensive category with Rondo on the court than off except rebounding, specifically offensive rebounding.
AKA Rondo is playing more of his time on the court without Sullinger than with him.
-
I think we should just start Sullinger at all five positions.
i don't know kg at point looked pretty good
-
I think we should just start Sullinger at all five positions.
This
-
Some people just can't take criticism towards a player they like.
And some criticize towards a player they dont like just because
thats the nature of a place like this
somehow... 8)
Except the OP clearly likes and respects rondos game. And except 95percent of celtics fans like rondo. Difference is some of us criticise him when he deserves it while others don't.
-
Some people just can't take criticism towards a player they like.
Its not that at all - but there's already 5 or 6 active threads about Rondo and there's no new insight or criticisms in any of them. And of course there's a few posters (I won't mention names because calling out is against the rules) that just don't like him and crap him at any chance.
-
The whole first unit played badly? Bradley was great. KG was his usual great. Pierce was a little down. Bass wasn't good at all and neither was Rondo.
I get how people can say, "hey wait until Rondo turns it on in the playoffs," but can you ever see Garnet taking off regular season games? Is playing hard really too much to ask for from Rondo?
-
Some people just can't take criticism towards a player they like.
And some criticize towards a player they dont like just because
thats the nature of a place like this
somehow... 8)
Except the OP clearly likes and respects rondos game. And except 95percent of celtics fans like rondo. Difference is some of us criticise him when he deserves it while others don't.
People have different opinions on things.
For example people blame Rondo for walking the ball up, the Rondo I see screams for the ball and tries to run more often than not. Overall the C's are very aggressive in transition and semi-transition. We're just not built to run.
Just differences of opinion based on watching the same season of the same player.
-
Some people just can't take criticism towards a player they like.
And some criticize towards a player they dont like just because
thats the nature of a place like this
somehow... 8)
Except the OP clearly likes and respects rondos game. And except 95percent of celtics fans like rondo. Difference is some of us criticise him when he deserves it while others don't.
IMHO its easier to say I respect kobe and that i love how he plays and be happy than he just missed one because i am actually waiting for him to fail, than to say I dont like him and I thin his mother dresses him funny and be happy than he just missed one, and saying i am waiting for him to fail.
Not saying thats the case with the OP
-
Some people just can't take criticism towards a player they like.
And some criticize towards a player they dont like just because
thats the nature of a place like this
somehow... 8)
Except the OP clearly likes and respects rondos game. And except 95percent of celtics fans like rondo. Difference is some of us criticise him when he deserves it while others don't.
People have different opinions on things.
For example people blame Rondo for walking the ball up, the Rondo I see screams for the ball and tries to run more often than not. Overall the C's are very aggressive in transition and semi-transition. We're just not built to run.
Just differences of opinion based on watching the same season of the same player.
Yep. People blame Rondo for walking the ball up, but he's a pass first pg who wants/needs to take advantage of the best two options(Pierce and KG) who aren't motoring up the court.
Rondo runs one man breaks plenty of times.
-
The whole first unit played badly? Bradley was great. KG was his usual great. Pierce was a little down. Bass wasn't good at all and neither was Rondo.
I get how people can say, "hey wait until Rondo turns it on in the playoffs," but can you ever see Garnet taking off regular season games? Is playing hard really too much to ask for from Rondo?
Last week against Memphis, KG went 5 of 14 from the field and 2 of 5 from the free throw line in a game we lost - no one accused him of taking that game off. There's been more than a few games where Paul has done nothing but jack up threes and he's never accused of taking games off. Rondo gets nitpicked by a different standard.
-
Some people just can't take criticism towards a player they like.
And some criticize towards a player they dont like just because
thats the nature of a place like this
somehow... 8)
Except the OP clearly likes and respects rondos game. And except 95percent of celtics fans like rondo. Difference is some of us criticise him when he deserves it while others don't.
People have different opinions on things.
For example people blame Rondo for walking the ball up, the Rondo I see screams for the ball and tries to run more often than not. Overall the C's are very aggressive in transition and semi-transition. We're just not built to run.
Just differences of opinion based on watching the same season of the same player.
Yep. People blame Rondo for walking the ball up, but he's a pass first pg who wants/needs to take advantage of the best two options(Pierce and KG) who aren't motoring up the court.
Rondo runs one man breaks plenty of times.
Plus sometimes the fast break is dictated by the defense.
For example Lee/Terry/Bradley got out more than Rondo today because they were the guards when the C's got some nice live ball turnovers. (at least that's what I saw in the second half and the highlight Green alley oop play, I missed the first half)
They then ran the floor and got nice easy buckets, which is awesome. But that's not really "pushing the pace" as much as it is good defense or bad passing/handling by the other team.
-
Some people just can't take criticism towards a player they like.
Very true.
But there is a difference from saying "Rondo had a poor game" and threads like this that say we play better without him. The Celtics clearly don't, plus his two prior games (Hawks/Pacers) were good games!
I really don't think it's even feasible to argue that we play better without Rondo. That's ridiculous. We are much, much better with Rondo.
The problem though is Rondo often takes nights off for various reasons. Sometimes he looks like he's pouting over a bad call or a teammate or coach that may have rubbed him the wrong way. Other times elite level PGs get into his head and get him off his game (CP3). Sometimes he just doesn't take the opponent seriously, and finally, sometimes he's just tired and or beaten up.
Pierce also takes many nights off.
KG however, at his age no less, never takes a night off.
-
Some people just can't take criticism towards a player they like.
And some criticize towards a player they dont like just because
thats the nature of a place like this
somehow... 8)
Except the OP clearly likes and respects rondos game. And except 95percent of celtics fans like rondo. Difference is some of us criticise him when he deserves it while others don't.
People have different opinions on things.
For example people blame Rondo for walking the ball up, the Rondo I see screams for the ball and tries to run more often than not. Overall the C's are very aggressive in transition and semi-transition. We're just not built to run.
Just differences of opinion based on watching the same season of the same player.
Yep. People blame Rondo for walking the ball up, but he's a pass first pg who wants/needs to take advantage of the best two options(Pierce and KG) who aren't motoring up the court.
Rondo runs one man breaks plenty of times.
This. I'd like to see Rondo jog the ball a little more, but I have no problem with him dominating the ball when he's on the floor. He is our general, after all.
The thing about Rondo that disappoints me the most is his defense. Now, you could say it's because he exerts so much energy on O, but there are times when he just doesn't try. Didn't he lead the league in steals three or four years ago?
-
Some people just can't take criticism towards a player they like.
Very true.
But there is a difference from saying "Rondo had a poor game" and threads like this that say we play better without him. The Celtics clearly don't, plus his two prior games (Hawks/Pacers) were good games!
I really don't think it's even feasible to argue that we play better without Rondo. That's ridiculous. We are much, much better with Rondo.
The problem though is Rondo often takes nights off for various reasons. Sometimes he looks like he's pouting over a bad call or a teammate or coach that may have rubbed him the wrong way. Other times elite level PGs get into his head and get him off his game (CP3). Sometimes he just doesn't take the opponent seriously, and finally, sometimes he's just tired and or beaten up.
Pierce also takes many nights off.
KG however, at his age no less, never takes a night off.
This is somewhat true, but I think people also conflate "poor shooting" with "poor effort" too often with Pierce/Rondo. With KG his defensive effort is always a given thus he'll get credit for that even in games where his shot isn't falling and he's not aggressively posting up.
Not to mention energy level is by definition an eye test thing, thus people will disagree with it.
-
Some people just can't take criticism towards a player they like.
And some criticize towards a player they dont like just because
thats the nature of a place like this
somehow... 8)
Except the OP clearly likes and respects rondos game. And except 95percent of celtics fans like rondo. Difference is some of us criticise him when he deserves it while others don't.
People have different opinions on things.
For example people blame Rondo for walking the ball up, the Rondo I see screams for the ball and tries to run more often than not. Overall the C's are very aggressive in transition and semi-transition. We're just not built to run.
Just differences of opinion based on watching the same season of the same player.
Yep. People blame Rondo for walking the ball up, but he's a pass first pg who wants/needs to take advantage of the best two options(Pierce and KG) who aren't motoring up the court.
Rondo runs one man breaks plenty of times.
This. I'd like to see Rondo jog the ball a little more, but I have no problem with him dominating the ball when he's on the floor. He is our general, after all.
The thing about Rondo that disappoints me the most is his defense. Now, you could say it's because he exerts so much energy on O, but there are times when he just doesn't try. Didn't he lead the league in steals three or four years ago?
I can agree that Rondo dogs it on D sometimes. I don't think it's as bad as some make it seem, but that certainly is a weak point in his game.
-
This is getting to be ridiculous.
-
Other than Bradley I thought the whole starting five played lazy tonight.
Singling out rondo for this is just unfair.
Terry wheeling and dealing as the pick and roll guy with the second unit was definitely nice to see. He was running the offense very well.
-
Been a season tix holder for 7 years and not ok with rondo blatantly taking nights off..too many. We have seen what he's capable of. I go to 30 + games a year and his inconsistency is incredibly frustrating.
-
We also played well with Pierce on the bench tonight, does that mean we are a better team without him? Obviously not.
Rondo hasn't played up to his usual standards as of late, but I think we should keep in mind that he is coming off a recent hip injury.
Overall, Rondo's been having one of his best seasons in the league. He's averaging 13.2 points (.5 points less than his career high), 11.3 assists (.4 less than career high), 5.2 rebounds (career high), 64.7 FT% (career high), .514 eFG% (ties 2nd best career high). He's shooting 51% from 16-23FT (would be career high, easily), 44% from 3-9FT (a drastic +20% improvement from his last two seasons), 63.2% at rim (2nd best in career). Even without looking at the stats it's clear that Rondo's shooting has improved this year.
And at his best (which is usually in the playoffs) he takes this team to another level. Of course KG and Bradley's impact on the defensive end is important too, but when Rondo is "on" he has the potential to effect every aspect of the game; scoring, rebounding, defense, play-making, ect. I think the problem is some expect that out of him every night, when that's just not going to happen. He is what he is at this point...he's prone to defensive lapses and lack of effort in some games, but overall he's pretty consistent in his play.
So one bad stretch does not = were better off without him.
-
I hate the crap he gets for his triple doubles on national tv games. Fans pointing to that need to take a step back and think about what they are asking/implying.
Rondo isn't the Big O. He can't average a triple double in a season, lol.
-
The "lack of effort" tag is hysterical. Heck, even KG has plays where he dogs it.
Oh well, Rondo's a rising young star. He's going to be under the microscope.
-
Keep rondo. Trading him is not an option for this franchise. The Celtics have the starting five (the older gnarlier guys) and the bench (the young run and gun squad).
We need both approaches to win. Confuses the opponent.
-
Some people just can't take criticism towards a player they like.
You mean Avery Bradley?
-
The whole first unit played badly? Bradley was great. KG was his usual great. Pierce was a little down. Bass wasn't good at all and neither was Rondo.
I get how people can say, "hey wait until Rondo turns it on in the playoffs," but can you ever see Garnet taking off regular season games? Is playing hard really too much to ask for from Rondo?
Last week against Memphis, KG went 5 of 14 from the field and 2 of 5 from the free throw line in a game we lost - no one accused him of taking that game off. There's been more than a few games where Paul has done nothing but jack up threes and he's never accused of taking games off. Rondo gets nitpicked by a different standard.
I think that is because Garnet never takes a night off defensively. Guys miss shots, it happens, but turnovers and getting beat repeatedly on defense is another thing.
It isn't even that Rondo gets beaten defensively that annoys me sometimes, it is that he just stands there afterwards. And his walking the ball up the court is annoying, push it and if nothing is there then pull it out and run a play. When you stop pushing the ball up the floor the other team starts hanging around for offensive rebounds. If you consistently push they automatically start to fall back, or as I call it, the Celtic transition.
-
except for maybe bradley(he really went on a tear offensively/defensively in the 2nd quarter) I thought the whole starting unit looked mediocre
but THAT is why danny constructed this bench...so the starters can have nights like this and the team can still grind out wins.
last year we wouldve killed to have just 1 player on the bench score in double digits....tonight we had 3..
We might have lost this game last season! Our bench was terrible.
if they logged a ton of minutes, I think a KG, Sullinger, Green, Terry, Bradley lineup might be our best. KG, Sully, Green up front have been great and with Avery back, that Avery, Terry backcourt is solid
-
And some criticize towards a player they dont like just because
thats the nature of a place like this
somehow...
Who here seriously doesn't like Rondo?
We are Celtics fans, that's why we are here. 90% of us like Rondo, in fact 90% of us love Rondo.
We just get incredibly frustrated by the fact that he is such a "love / hate" player as a fan because his effort is either 150% or else it's 0%.
When Rondo plays like he's interested he is easilly a top 10 player in this league, and he's borderline unstoppable. When he plays like he's not interested he's as good as useless, and just about any decent PG would do a better job. The problem is that it seems like for every interested game, there are 2 or 3 uninterested ones.
That's the problem - that's why people get frustrated. You never know what you will get from him, you can't depend on him as a leader because you never know which Rondo is going to show up.
Sometimes I feel like I'd rather have somebody who is less talented but gives consistent effort on a nightly basis. Someone like KG or Avery Bradley could shoot 9-12 or 1-12 and you don't care either way, becuase you know that every single night their defense and effort are going to be there, and you know you can depend on that.
As for the "turns it on in the playoffs" argument, well that's all pretty useless if we don't MAKE it to the playoffs, isn't it? Up until Bradley's return we were out of the top 8 and on target to not make the playoffs, yet Rondo didn't suddenly turn it up and play with a sense of urgency. He kept playing 60% of the time like he wasn't interested.
Bradley comes back and now everyone is playing with more effort, and we win 4 games out of 5 - THAT is a leader's mentality.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/rondora01/on-off/2013/
Taking a look at the on/off stats its funny. We're better in every offensive category with Rondo on the court than off except rebounding, specifically offensive rebounding.
Yeah, and last time I checked those numbers for Rondo it revealed something very interesting. Our offense rating with Rondo on the court was barely above the team average, yet our offensive rating with him off the court was far below team average.
That suggests to me that it's not Rondo's offensive brilliance that helps us, it's the lack of a proper (and productive) backup PG that hurts us. If we traded Rondo for a good PG and a decent big I'd bet we woudl be at least as good (if not better) after the trade as we are now.
-
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/rondora01/on-off/2013/
Taking a look at the on/off stats its funny. We're better in every offensive category with Rondo on the court than off except rebounding, specifically offensive rebounding.
Yeah, and last time I checked those numbers for Rondo it revealed something very interesting. Our offense rating with Rondo on the court was barely above the team average, yet our offensive rating with him off the court was far below team average.
That suggests to me that it's not Rondo's offensive brilliance that helps us, it's the lack of a proper (and productive) backup PG that hurts us. If we traded Rondo for a good PG and a decent big I'd bet we woudl be at least as good (if not better) after the trade as we are now.
So your reasoning for our above average offense with Rondo on the court versus a below average offense without him is that we have a hole at the back up point guard spot, and your solution is to...trade Rondo for another PG?
Wouldn't it make more sense to just get a capable back-up PG instead, if your theory is true?
-
Yeah, and last time I checked those numbers for Rondo it revealed something very interesting. Our offense rating with Rondo on the court was barely above the team average, yet our offensive rating with him off the court was far below team average.
That suggests to me that it's not Rondo's offensive brilliance that helps us, it's the lack of a proper (and productive) backup PG that hurts us. If we traded Rondo for a good PG and a decent big I'd bet we woudl be at least as good (if not better) after the trade as we are now.
Well given that he plays for over 3/4 of the game isn't that what you'd expect from a good offensive player?
Kevin Durant's on/off is +2 points better on ORTG for the thunder at 115 (team average is 113) meanwhile when he's off the court its 104.
He's played 82% of the minutes for the Thunder.
-
Some people just can't take criticism towards a player they like.
And some criticize towards a player they dont like just because
thats the nature of a place like this
somehow... 8)
Except the OP clearly likes and respects rondos game. And except 95percent of celtics fans like rondo. Difference is some of us criticise him when he deserves it while others don't.
People have different opinions on things.
For example people blame Rondo for walking the ball up, the Rondo I see screams for the ball and tries to run more often than not. Overall the C's are very aggressive in transition and semi-transition. We're just not built to run.
Just differences of opinion based on watching the same season of the same player.
Really? I'm floored you think this way. Nobody slow walks it up the court like Rondo does. Nobody. It annoys me to no end. It reeks of a power play. After a made basket, all his teammates at least jog up the court but Rondo trails behind and dribbles the ball up like a 85 year old making everyone wait for him. It happens all the freaking time.
And with Rondo at the helm, the Celtics have to be the worst or near the worst secondary transition team in the league. He almost never passes the ball up ahead. The guy dribbles the ball more than anybody in the league. It drives me batty. Even if a teammate isn't wide-open up ahead, just passing him the ball makes the defense react and can create openings off that. This almost never happens. Rondo doesn't allow it. When he's out of the lineup, things like Barbosa, Barbosa of all people, passing to Green for layups against the Knicks happen. If Rondo played, that would not have happened.
It's a weird disconnect. Rondo is a great athlete, tremendously fast, one of the best transition finishers in the league but he loves to play halfcourt, he loves to call set plays and dominate the middle of the halfcourt and play off picks. The guy is almost the Iverson of point guards but instead of shots, it's all dribble and ball possession.
-
The whole first unit played badly? Bradley was great. KG was his usual great. Pierce was a little down. Bass wasn't good at all and neither was Rondo.
I get how people can say, "hey wait until Rondo turns it on in the playoffs," but can you ever see Garnet taking off regular season games? Is playing hard really too much to ask for from Rondo?
Last week against Memphis, KG went 5 of 14 from the field and 2 of 5 from the free throw line in a game we lost - no one accused him of taking that game off. There's been more than a few games where Paul has done nothing but jack up threes and he's never accused of taking games off. Rondo gets nitpicked by a different standard.
I think that is because Garnet never takes a night off defensively. Guys miss shots, it happens, but turnovers and getting beat repeatedly on defense is another thing.
It isn't even that Rondo gets beaten defensively that annoys me sometimes, it is that he just stands there afterwards. And his walking the ball up the court is annoying, push it and if nothing is there then pull it out and run a play. When you stop pushing the ball up the floor the other team starts hanging around for offensive rebounds. If you consistently push they automatically start to fall back, or as I call it, the Celtic transition.
I'm am so with you here. Why can't Rondo pass the ball up ahead and let his teammates at least probe out early offense. If nothing materializes because the defense gets set up quickly, fine, Rondo can get the ball back and call the set plays he loves to run. But not even looking for the opportunity? It's inexplicable.
Rondo can pass the ball up ahead just fine. After his two game suspension, he spent the whole first quarter in his first game back passing the ball up ahead and pushing the pace by PASSING, not DRIBBLING. I was giddy. I thought Rondo had had a breakthrough, an epiphany watching his teammates while he was out. Alas, it lasted only a quarter. I guess maybe he just didn't enjoy playing that way. He reverted back to hogging the ball.
-
Some people just can't take criticism towards a player they like.
You mean Avery Bradley?
I mean any player that deserves criticism.
-
And some criticize towards a player they dont like just because
thats the nature of a place like this
somehow...
Who here seriously doesn't like Rondo?
We are Celtics fans, that's why we are here. 90% of us like Rondo, in fact 90% of us love Rondo.
We just get incredibly frustrated by the fact that he is such a "love / hate" player as a fan because his effort is either 150% or else it's 0%.
When Rondo plays like he's interested he is easilly a top 10 player in this league, and he's borderline unstoppable. When he plays like he's not interested he's as good as useless, and just about any decent PG would do a better job. The problem is that it seems like for every interested game, there are 2 or 3 uninterested ones.
That's the problem - that's why people get frustrated. You never know what you will get from him, you can't depend on him as a leader because you never know which Rondo is going to show up.
Sometimes I feel like I'd rather have somebody who is less talented but gives consistent effort on a nightly basis. Someone like KG or Avery Bradley could shoot 9-12 or 1-12 and you don't care either way, becuase you know that every single night their defense and effort are going to be there, and you know you can depend on that.
As for the "turns it on in the playoffs" argument, well that's all pretty useless if we don't MAKE it to the playoffs, isn't it? Up until Bradley's return we were out of the top 8 and on target to not make the playoffs, yet Rondo didn't suddenly turn it up and play with a sense of urgency. He kept playing 60% of the time like he wasn't interested.
Bradley comes back and now everyone is playing with more effort, and we win 4 games out of 5 - THAT is a leader's mentality.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/rondora01/on-off/2013/
Taking a look at the on/off stats its funny. We're better in every offensive category with Rondo on the court than off except rebounding, specifically offensive rebounding.
Yeah, and last time I checked those numbers for Rondo it revealed something very interesting. Our offense rating with Rondo on the court was barely above the team average, yet our offensive rating with him off the court was far below team average.
That suggests to me that it's not Rondo's offensive brilliance that helps us, it's the lack of a proper (and productive) backup PG that hurts us. If we traded Rondo for a good PG and a decent big I'd bet we woudl be at least as good (if not better) after the trade as we are now.
Guys he has been pretty inconsistent lately but was he ever accused of taking games off during his 34 game assist streak? How does 5 games offset all the others?
-
And some criticize towards a player they dont like just because
thats the nature of a place like this
somehow...
Who here seriously doesn't like Rondo?
We are Celtics fans, that's why we are here. 90% of us like Rondo, in fact 90% of us love Rondo.
We just get incredibly frustrated by the fact that he is such a "love / hate" player as a fan because his effort is either 150% or else it's 0%.
When Rondo plays like he's interested he is easilly a top 10 player in this league, and he's borderline unstoppable. When he plays like he's not interested he's as good as useless, and just about any decent PG would do a better job. The problem is that it seems like for every interested game, there are 2 or 3 uninterested ones.
That's the problem - that's why people get frustrated. You never know what you will get from him, you can't depend on him as a leader because you never know which Rondo is going to show up.
Sometimes I feel like I'd rather have somebody who is less talented but gives consistent effort on a nightly basis. Someone like KG or Avery Bradley could shoot 9-12 or 1-12 and you don't care either way, becuase you know that every single night their defense and effort are going to be there, and you know you can depend on that.
As for the "turns it on in the playoffs" argument, well that's all pretty useless if we don't MAKE it to the playoffs, isn't it? Up until Bradley's return we were out of the top 8 and on target to not make the playoffs, yet Rondo didn't suddenly turn it up and play with a sense of urgency. He kept playing 60% of the time like he wasn't interested.
Bradley comes back and now everyone is playing with more effort, and we win 4 games out of 5 - THAT is a leader's mentality.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/rondora01/on-off/2013/
Taking a look at the on/off stats its funny. We're better in every offensive category with Rondo on the court than off except rebounding, specifically offensive rebounding.
Yeah, and last time I checked those numbers for Rondo it revealed something very interesting. Our offense rating with Rondo on the court was barely above the team average, yet our offensive rating with him off the court was far below team average.
That suggests to me that it's not Rondo's offensive brilliance that helps us, it's the lack of a proper (and productive) backup PG that hurts us. If we traded Rondo for a good PG and a decent big I'd bet we woudl be at least as good (if not better) after the trade as we are now.
edit inappropriate edit
WHAT A PLAYER HAS DONE IN THEIR ENTIRE CAREER IS NOT OFFSET BY 5 GAMES. HE HAD A TRIPLE DOUBLE 2 GAMES AGO.
-
The half court offense was clearly not good tonight when Rondo was in the game.
Even KG played better point tonight. Just callin it as I saw it.
-
The constant effort to label Rondo as a superstar ends up derailing the expectations. To me, he isn't a superstar. If he were to be called one, teams would be willing to make trades for him when Ainge was apparently shopping him and also, your GM wouldn't be shopping him in the first place.
That said, he's clearly a much better PG than we could ever get if we were to replace him via trade at this point. I don't really care if he is Top 3, Top 5 or Top 10 in his position. What really matters is he isn't beyond that number and that's more than enough.
-
The half court offense was clearly not good tonight when Rondo was in the game.
KG played better point tonight. Just callin it as I saw it.
KG and Paul in the Knicks game with just pick and roll was unstoppable.
-
The Celtics have had 501 transition offensive plays, Rondo has been made a FGA or TO in 101 of them. I can't find data on how many transition assists he has, but I'd guess its an awful lot as his TOs are high in transition.
The Celtics score middle (15th) of the pack percentage of their points in transition and have a bad PPP or efficiency in the low 20s in transition.
I agree Rondo doesn't run off made baskets or play a very fast paced game, but he's not the king of walking the ball up. Off misses he probes the defense in transition and semi-transition a lot.
-
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/rondora01/on-off/2013/
Taking a look at the on/off stats its funny. We're better in every offensive category with Rondo on the court than off except rebounding, specifically offensive rebounding.
Yeah, and last time I checked those numbers for Rondo it revealed something very interesting. Our offense rating with Rondo on the court was barely above the team average, yet our offensive rating with him off the court was far below team average.
That suggests to me that it's not Rondo's offensive brilliance that helps us, it's the lack of a proper (and productive) backup PG that hurts us. If we traded Rondo for a good PG and a decent big I'd bet we woudl be at least as good (if not better) after the trade as we are now.
That's a very strange argument there.
Of course we will have drop off... not having a backup PG is the issue.
What does that take away from Rondo?
-
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/rondora01/on-off/2013/
Taking a look at the on/off stats its funny. We're better in every offensive category with Rondo on the court than off except rebounding, specifically offensive rebounding.
Yeah, and last time I checked those numbers for Rondo it revealed something very interesting. Our offense rating with Rondo on the court was barely above the team average, yet our offensive rating with him off the court was far below team average.
That suggests to me that it's not Rondo's offensive brilliance that helps us, it's the lack of a proper (and productive) backup PG that hurts us. If we traded Rondo for a good PG and a decent big I'd bet we woudl be at least as good (if not better) after the trade as we are now.
That's a very strange argument there.
Of course we will have drop off... not having a backup PG is the issue.
What does that take away from Rondo?
Why would we trade Rondo, (IMO the best point guard in the league but I'll listen to arguments as second best.) for a less talented PG and a big, when we could just use Lee or Barbosa as our back up PG for 10 minutes and be fine?
-
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/rondora01/on-off/2013/
Taking a look at the on/off stats its funny. We're better in every offensive category with Rondo on the court than off except rebounding, specifically offensive rebounding.
Yeah, and last time I checked those numbers for Rondo it revealed something very interesting. Our offense rating with Rondo on the court was barely above the team average, yet our offensive rating with him off the court was far below team average.
That suggests to me that it's not Rondo's offensive brilliance that helps us, it's the lack of a proper (and productive) backup PG that hurts us. If we traded Rondo for a good PG and a decent big I'd bet we woudl be at least as good (if not better) after the trade as we are now.
That's a very strange argument there.
Of course we will have drop off... not having a backup PG is the issue.
What does that take away from Rondo?
Why would we trade Rondo, (IMO the best point guard in the league but I'll listen to arguments as second best.) for a less talented PG and a big, when we could just use Lee or Barbosa as our back up PG for 10 minutes and be fine?
They group that are down on Rondo confuses me greatly and I'm really not going to bother trying to figure out their logic much because I totally disagree with all the points they present.
-
The constant effort to label Rondo as a superstar ends up derailing the expectations. To me, he isn't a superstar. If he were to be called one, teams would be willing to make trades for him when Ainge was apparently shopping him and also, your GM wouldn't be shopping him in the first place.
That said, he's clearly a much better PG than we could ever get if we were to replace him via trade at this point. I don't really care if he is Top 3, Top 5 or Top 10 in his position. What really matters is he isn't beyond that number and that's more than enough.
Yeah rondo is a allstar definitely not a superstar.
-
Rondo makes us better.
-
The constant effort to label Rondo as a superstar ends up derailing the expectations. To me, he isn't a superstar. If he were to be called one, teams would be willing to make trades for him when Ainge was apparently shopping him and also, your GM wouldn't be shopping him in the first place.
That said, he's clearly a much better PG than we could ever get if we were to replace him via trade at this point. I don't really care if he is Top 3, Top 5 or Top 10 in his position. What really matters is he isn't beyond that number and that's more than enough.
Yeah rondo is a allstar definitely not a superstar.
Which NBA players do you put in the category of "superstar."
-
This team is better with Rondo then without him (in a vacuum)
Mind you that doesn't mean the team couldn't get better if they traded him. It depends on the return, but there are not a whole lot of returns out there for him that would actually improve the team (or possibly keep them at the same level)
-
And some criticize towards a player they dont like just because
thats the nature of a place like this
somehow...
Who here seriously doesn't like Rondo?
We are Celtics fans, that's why we are here. 90% of us like Rondo, in fact 90% of us love Rondo.
We just get incredibly frustrated by the fact that he is such a "love / hate" player as a fan because his effort is either 150% or else it's 0%.
When Rondo plays like he's interested he is easilly a top 10 player in this league, and he's borderline unstoppable. When he plays like he's not interested he's as good as useless, and just about any decent PG would do a better job. The problem is that it seems like for every interested game, there are 2 or 3 uninterested ones.
That's the problem - that's why people get frustrated. You never know what you will get from him, you can't depend on him as a leader because you never know which Rondo is going to show up.
That's pretty ridiculous. Look at his play the last 3-4 years, when he's been healthy he's generally played well. If you just think about what you wrote, players like Magic and Bird would have trouble being seen as great players if they gave zero effort and showed no interest in 2 games out of every 3.
As for the "turns it on in the playoffs" argument, well that's all pretty useless if we don't MAKE it to the playoffs, isn't it? Up until Bradley's return we were out of the top 8 and on target to not make the playoffs, yet Rondo didn't suddenly turn it up and play with a sense of urgency. He kept playing 60% of the time like he wasn't interested.
Rondo was seriously hampered by his hip injury but he still played because he was trying to help the team win. Many people would consider that to be showing a sense of urgency. The fact that you're knocking someone who's playing through an injury even though he's hobbling up and down the court in an effort to help the team as not interested and lacking in urgency says a lot about your overall opinion of Rondo.
-
When I read the title of this thread, all I see is :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P
(http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/24611754.jpg)
-
Rondo seems to be either the most loved or hated player on the Celtics. The extremes are amazing, lol
-
Rondo seems to be either the most loved or hated player on the Celtics. The extremes are amazing, lol
He's a confusing player. He doesn't fit the "mold" we're used to.
He's a tempermental guy emotionally you can see that. He's also very stubborn.
Then he's also a PG who doesn't shoot much and became an impact offensive player without shooting free throws, threes, or jump shots well. And he did this while his team was winning a LOT of games.
-
One thing is when ROndo is playing hurt , he doesn't help the Celtics very little. IF he was a great shooter , then he would still be some help. But, Rondo relies alot on his speed and athletic skills... when he is hurt or not 100% his game goes in the tank.
He might be hurtin the team by playn hurt and he thinks he is helping.
I rather see Barbosa and Lee playing or PP than a standing around looking lost and sick ROndo.
He just doesn't look right out there is past few games.
-
And some criticize towards a player they dont like just because
thats the nature of a place like this
somehow...
Who here seriously doesn't like Rondo?
We are Celtics fans, that's why we are here. 90% of us like Rondo, in fact 90% of us love Rondo.
We just get incredibly frustrated by the fact that he is such a "love / hate" player as a fan because his effort is either 150% or else it's 0%.
When Rondo plays like he's interested he is easilly a top 10 player in this league, and he's borderline unstoppable. When he plays like he's not interested he's as good as useless, and just about any decent PG would do a better job. The problem is that it seems like for every interested game, there are 2 or 3 uninterested ones.
That's the problem - that's why people get frustrated. You never know what you will get from him, you can't depend on him as a leader because you never know which Rondo is going to show up.
That's pretty ridiculous. Look at his play the last 3-4 years, when he's been healthy he's generally played well. If you just think about what you wrote, players like Magic and Bird would have trouble being seen as great players if they gave zero effort and showed no interest in 2 games out of every 3.
As for the "turns it on in the playoffs" argument, well that's all pretty useless if we don't MAKE it to the playoffs, isn't it? Up until Bradley's return we were out of the top 8 and on target to not make the playoffs, yet Rondo didn't suddenly turn it up and play with a sense of urgency. He kept playing 60% of the time like he wasn't interested.
Rondo was seriously hampered by his hip injury but he still played because he was trying to help the team win. Many people would consider that to be showing a sense of urgency. The fact that you're knocking someone who's playing through an injury even though he's hobbling up and down the court in an effort to help the team as not interested and lacking in urgency says a lot about your overall opinion of Rondo.
I honestly have a hard time believing that anyone could believe this team wouldnt make the playoffs even if Bradley was out for the entire year...I mean yea we are in 8th right now but really. You really dont think we would turn our season around and make at least the 8th slot if Bradley was hurt all year?
-
Rondo seems to be either the most loved or hated player on the Celtics. The extremes are amazing, lol
He's a confusing player. He doesn't fit the "mold" we're used to.
He's a tempermental guy emotionally you can see that. He's also very stubborn.
Then he's also a PG who doesn't shoot much and became an impact offensive player without shooting free throws, threes, or jump shots well. And he did this while his team was winning a LOT of games.
I understand these but still don't see how some people don't see the impact he makes or how he steps up.
I think people get spoiled and don't appreciate good PG play. I've seen bad. You have a PG like Rondo you hold onto him.
And there's been the whole "his team now" talk the last couple seasons, but some fans just still seem to think he rides coat tails or something of guys like Pierce and KG.
One thing is when ROndo is playing hurt , he doesn't help the Celtics very little. IF he was a great shooter , then he would still be some help. But, Rondo relies alot on his speed and athletic skills... when he is hurt or not 100% his game goes in the tank.
He might be hurtin the team by playn hurt and he thinks he is helping.
I rather see Barbosa and Lee playing or PP than a standing around looking lost and sick ROndo.
He just doesn't look right out there is past few games.
You seriously think he hasn't played well the last few games? C'mon.
-
The constant effort to label Rondo as a superstar ends up derailing the expectations. To me, he isn't a superstar. If he were to be called one, teams would be willing to make trades for him when Ainge was apparently shopping him and also, your GM wouldn't be shopping him in the first place.
That said, he's clearly a much better PG than we could ever get if we were to replace him via trade at this point. I don't really care if he is Top 3, Top 5 or Top 10 in his position. What really matters is he isn't beyond that number and that's more than enough.
Yeah rondo is a allstar definitely not a superstar.
Which NBA players do you put in the category of "superstar."
The ones that dominate. LeBron is the easiest choice. He led a bunch of scrubs to the finals. Granted, the East was a wreck back at that time, but that takes little out of it.
Durant, after he got past his rookie season, in which he struggled with his shot.
Kobe, because he is the clutchest active player.
All others are replaceable in my book, and if you are replaceable, you aren't a superstar. In that sense, PGs have the least luck out of any position to be superstars, since they are the least likely to dominate the game so much. Unless they are Big O or Magic, of course.
-
The constant effort to label Rondo as a superstar ends up derailing the expectations. To me, he isn't a superstar. If he were to be called one, teams would be willing to make trades for him when Ainge was apparently shopping him and also, your GM wouldn't be shopping him in the first place.
That said, he's clearly a much better PG than we could ever get if we were to replace him via trade at this point. I don't really care if he is Top 3, Top 5 or Top 10 in his position. What really matters is he isn't beyond that number and that's more than enough.
Yeah rondo is a allstar definitely not a superstar.
Which NBA players do you put in the category of "superstar."
The ones that dominate. LeBron is the easiest choice. He led a bunch of scrubs to the finals. Granted, the East was a wreck back at that time, but that takes little out of it.
Durant, after he got past his rookie season, in which he struggled with his shot.
Kobe, because he is the clutchest active player.
All others are replaceable in my book, and if you are replaceable, you aren't a superstar. In that sense, PGs have the least luck out of any position to be superstars, since they are the least likely to dominate the game so much. Unless they are Big O or Magic, of course.
Couldn't possibly disagree with the bolded more.
Rondo has dominated games himself.
Did you miss the Celtics Cavs or Rondo vs the Heat last year for example?
Not even saying Rondo's a "superstar" but PGs dominate games for sure.
-
The constant effort to label Rondo as a superstar ends up derailing the expectations. To me, he isn't a superstar. If he were to be called one, teams would be willing to make trades for him when Ainge was apparently shopping him and also, your GM wouldn't be shopping him in the first place.
That said, he's clearly a much better PG than we could ever get if we were to replace him via trade at this point. I don't really care if he is Top 3, Top 5 or Top 10 in his position. What really matters is he isn't beyond that number and that's more than enough.
Yeah rondo is a allstar definitely not a superstar.
Which NBA players do you put in the category of "superstar."
The ones that dominate. LeBron is the easiest choice. He led a bunch of scrubs to the finals. Granted, the East was a wreck back at that time, but that takes little out of it.
Durant, after he got past his rookie season, in which he struggled with his shot.
Kobe, because he is the clutchest active player.
All others are replaceable in my book, and if you are replaceable, you aren't a superstar. In that sense, PGs have the least luck out of any position to be superstars, since they are the least likely to dominate the game so much. Unless they are Big O or Magic, of course.
I'll buy that. Basically, you are saying that there are a total of two players who still have their prime years of basketball ahead of them that can be labelled "superstars."
I feel like people should keep that in mind when they suggest trading Rondo because "he's not an elite player who can lead a team to contention by himself." Unless, we are getting back James or Durant, there is no trade out there that brings back such a player.
-
The constant effort to label Rondo as a superstar ends up derailing the expectations. To me, he isn't a superstar. If he were to be called one, teams would be willing to make trades for him when Ainge was apparently shopping him and also, your GM wouldn't be shopping him in the first place.
That said, he's clearly a much better PG than we could ever get if we were to replace him via trade at this point. I don't really care if he is Top 3, Top 5 or Top 10 in his position. What really matters is he isn't beyond that number and that's more than enough.
Yeah rondo is a allstar definitely not a superstar.
Which NBA players do you put in the category of "superstar."
The ones that dominate. LeBron is the easiest choice. He led a bunch of scrubs to the finals. Granted, the East was a wreck back at that time, but that takes little out of it.
Durant, after he got past his rookie season, in which he struggled with his shot.
Kobe, because he is the clutchest active player.
All others are replaceable in my book, and if you are replaceable, you aren't a superstar. In that sense, PGs have the least luck out of any position to be superstars, since they are the least likely to dominate the game so much. Unless they are Big O or Magic, of course.
Couldn't possibly disagree with the bolded more.
Rondo has dominated games himself.
Did you miss the Celtics Cavs or Rondo vs the Heat last year for example?
Not even saying Rondo's a "superstar" but PGs dominate games for sure.
When I said "the game", it was an overall reference. Rondo dominated games throughout his career. He's just not doing it on a consistent basis to call him a dominant player.
The constant effort to label Rondo as a superstar ends up derailing the expectations. To me, he isn't a superstar. If he were to be called one, teams would be willing to make trades for him when Ainge was apparently shopping him and also, your GM wouldn't be shopping him in the first place.
That said, he's clearly a much better PG than we could ever get if we were to replace him via trade at this point. I don't really care if he is Top 3, Top 5 or Top 10 in his position. What really matters is he isn't beyond that number and that's more than enough.
Yeah rondo is a allstar definitely not a superstar.
Which NBA players do you put in the category of "superstar."
The ones that dominate. LeBron is the easiest choice. He led a bunch of scrubs to the finals. Granted, the East was a wreck back at that time, but that takes little out of it.
Durant, after he got past his rookie season, in which he struggled with his shot.
Kobe, because he is the clutchest active player.
All others are replaceable in my book, and if you are replaceable, you aren't a superstar. In that sense, PGs have the least luck out of any position to be superstars, since they are the least likely to dominate the game so much. Unless they are Big O or Magic, of course.
I'll buy that. Basically, you are saying that there are a total of two players who still have their prime years of basketball ahead of them that can be labelled "superstars."
I feel like people should keep that in mind when they suggest trading Rondo because "he's not an elite player who can lead a team to contention by himself." Unless, we are getting back James or Durant, there is no trade out there that brings back such a player.
That's how I interpret it. If we are to include a list of other players, Rondo could make it, too.
The only reason trading Rondo could make sense is to go on rebuilding with cheaper pieces somehow. Not sure how hefty their contracts will be, but a package of Evans and Cousins sounds good if you are out looking for a trade. You aren't getting an upgrade in overall play, but get two good young pieces. I'd live with it.
-
The constant effort to label Rondo as a superstar ends up derailing the expectations. To me, he isn't a superstar. If he were to be called one, teams would be willing to make trades for him when Ainge was apparently shopping him and also, your GM wouldn't be shopping him in the first place.
That said, he's clearly a much better PG than we could ever get if we were to replace him via trade at this point. I don't really care if he is Top 3, Top 5 or Top 10 in his position. What really matters is he isn't beyond that number and that's more than enough.
Yeah rondo is a allstar definitely not a superstar.
Which NBA players do you put in the category of "superstar."
The ones that dominate. LeBron is the easiest choice. He led a bunch of scrubs to the finals. Granted, the East was a wreck back at that time, but that takes little out of it.
Durant, after he got past his rookie season, in which he struggled with his shot.
Kobe, because he is the clutchest active player.
All others are replaceable in my book, and if you are replaceable, you aren't a superstar. In that sense, PGs have the least luck out of any position to be superstars, since they are the least likely to dominate the game so much. Unless they are Big O or Magic, of course.
Couldn't possibly disagree with the bolded more.
Rondo has dominated games himself.
Did you miss the Celtics Cavs or Rondo vs the Heat last year for example?
Not even saying Rondo's a "superstar" but PGs dominate games for sure.
When I said "the game", it was an overall reference. Rondo dominated games throughout his career. He's just not doing it on a consistent basis to call him a dominant player.
The constant effort to label Rondo as a superstar ends up derailing the expectations. To me, he isn't a superstar. If he were to be called one, teams would be willing to make trades for him when Ainge was apparently shopping him and also, your GM wouldn't be shopping him in the first place.
That said, he's clearly a much better PG than we could ever get if we were to replace him via trade at this point. I don't really care if he is Top 3, Top 5 or Top 10 in his position. What really matters is he isn't beyond that number and that's more than enough.
Yeah rondo is a allstar definitely not a superstar.
Which NBA players do you put in the category of "superstar."
The ones that dominate. LeBron is the easiest choice. He led a bunch of scrubs to the finals. Granted, the East was a wreck back at that time, but that takes little out of it.
Durant, after he got past his rookie season, in which he struggled with his shot.
Kobe, because he is the clutchest active player.
All others are replaceable in my book, and if you are replaceable, you aren't a superstar. In that sense, PGs have the least luck out of any position to be superstars, since they are the least likely to dominate the game so much. Unless they are Big O or Magic, of course.
I'll buy that. Basically, you are saying that there are a total of two players who still have their prime years of basketball ahead of them that can be labelled "superstars."
I feel like people should keep that in mind when they suggest trading Rondo because "he's not an elite player who can lead a team to contention by himself." Unless, we are getting back James or Durant, there is no trade out there that brings back such a player.
That's how I interpret it. If we are to include a list of other players, Rondo could make it, too.
The only reason trading Rondo could make sense is to go on rebuilding with cheaper pieces somehow. Not sure how hefty their contracts will be, but a package of Evans and Cousins sounds good if you are out looking for a trade. You aren't getting an upgrade in overall play, but get two good young pieces. I'd live with it.
Evans' contract runs out after this season. Cousins' after the next. Unless someone is willing to overpay (which there's a good chance that someone will be), Evans might be slightly cheaper. I doubt Cousins will be.
-
we are winning. And before nyc game, we won two with rondo with one game where he and pierce ignited the comeback.
Instead of trading Rondo, i'd say for the last 5 to 7 min left of the game, to take rondo out and put in Bradley plus lee or terry out there.
Rondo has never been a good 4th quarter guy, esp in the last 7 min left. All he does is dribble it up, drop it to pierce and clear the way. Rather have Bradley do this, bc he can still give you great defense and can shoot with confidence if wide left open
-
For the most part, people around here to need to start differentiating between a bad stretch and a bad player.
And when you have a player like Rondo, who has been little short of epic in the playoffs. (Averaging almost a triple-double w/out KG 16.9/9.8/9.7 *2009*, the jason williams steal *2010*, Wade's Takedown *2011*, 76ers Game 7 *2012*, 43 Points vs. Miami *2012* 4 Triple Doubles in the Playoffs *2012*)
You got to call a thread like this after an 8-point win what it is, ridiculous.
If he is playin like that, why would i have a problem. I know he is capable, but he has been doing those last time i checked. Love Rondo to death as a fan for what he can, just cannot stand his effort level and lack of energy
-
I think another problem here is we are expecting rondo to be a MVP player type(some posted he will become an MVP). But that is not we see from him right now to which some are disappointed. We just hope he is taking one step at a time maybe play off MVP first before season MVP. Just my thoughts...
-
he still can be finals MVP
thats pretty much what i hope.