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Title: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: jbaerg on January 09, 2013, 04:33:56 PM
This was on ESPN Insider today. They mention Brandon Bass, but I honestly have no idea what we would be able to ask for. Picks or possibly as a facilitator for a 3 team trade?

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In my "Trade Chips" piece at ESPN Insider today, I mentioned the Rockets as a team that could be on the market for a veteran forward.

The presence of Jeremy Lin and James Harden has the Rockets set up well in the backcourt for years to come, but players like Brandon Bass and Amir Johnson could help take some pressure off of Patrick Patterson at the four.

How likely is it that Houston is active before the trade deadline? Will they be looking to deal? Here's Chad Ford with more.
Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: fairweatherfan on January 09, 2013, 04:40:13 PM
There'd have to be more salary-wise, but I'd love to see us pick up Greg Smith.  Young, smart, and efficient (20+ PER), but stuck behind Asik. 

Not going to revolutionize the team but he'd help a bit this year and would be a good piece for the future.

Trading Bass for Aldrich (+ salary pieces) would not make me happy, though.
Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: Lucky17 on January 09, 2013, 04:40:47 PM
Hmm. I have to think Daryl Morey will look to make a bigger splash than adding Bass before the deadline. Rockets have cap space (nearly $7 mil) and a bevy of young talent to consolidate via a trade.

I'm surprised we haven't already heard of Houston as a potential destination for Rudy Gay.
Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on January 09, 2013, 04:42:20 PM
This is what is said:


*Can't be traded until Jan. 15

It's no secret that Boston is looking to add a key big man who can take some of the load off 36-year-old Kevin Garnett, and dealing Bass is one of the ways it might be able to do so. The tricky part in any deal that involves moving Bass to a contender will be getting a quality big man back in return.

One trade that could make sense might be Denver's Kosta Koufos and a throw-in like Anthony Randolph for Bass, but it's doubtful that the Nuggets would want to take on the nearly $14 million owed to Bass beyond this season. And Koufos might not be enough to move the needle, with the window of opportunity for a championship rapidly closing in Beantown.

Good fits: Pacers, Nuggets, Rockets, Trail Blazers
Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: Change on January 09, 2013, 04:50:18 PM
I can't see Morey messing with their cap space. He still has his eye on Dwight this summer. Lakers seem to be imploding right before our eyes. Why would Dwight stick around with that core?
Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: PhoSita on January 09, 2013, 05:05:20 PM
The problem is that the Celtics need an UPGRADE on Bass.  Who is going to trade us a legit player who is an upgrade at PF or C for Bass, who plays that position?
Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: kozlodoev on January 09, 2013, 05:06:07 PM
Why anyone would want to trade Bass, who is a reasonable player on a reasonable contract -- even given his current slump -- is beyond me.


This was on ESPN Insider today. They mention Brandon Bass, but I honestly have no idea what we would be able to ask for. Picks or possibly as a facilitator for a 3 team trade?

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In my "Trade Chips" piece at ESPN Insider today, I mentioned the Rockets as a team that could be on the market for a veteran forward.

The presence of Jeremy Lin and James Harden has the Rockets set up well in the backcourt for years to come, but players like Brandon Bass and Amir Johnson could help take some pressure off of Patrick Patterson at the four.

How likely is it that Houston is active before the trade deadline? Will they be looking to deal? Here's Chad Ford with more.
Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: PhoSita on January 09, 2013, 05:06:11 PM
I can't see Morey messing with their cap space. He still has his eye on Dwight this summer. Lakers seem to be imploding right before our eyes. Why would Dwight stick around with that core?

Because in a year or two Kobe will be gone and then Dwight gets to be the main man, and they can build the team around his strengths.
Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on January 09, 2013, 05:09:14 PM
JJ Hickson for bass? Sure thanks
Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: 2short on January 09, 2013, 05:15:13 PM
The problem is that the Celtics need an UPGRADE on Bass.  Who is going to trade us a legit player who is an upgrade at PF or C for Bass, who plays that position?
agreed but if bass + someone/thing could improve us at that position great
if bass for a player of reasonable skills but TALLER might make sense as well
i do like the open spots that ainge has currently
Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: Accension13 on January 09, 2013, 05:23:52 PM
Trading bass to Houston for basically nothing could help facilitate the c's moving green to Memphis for Gay.

Boston gets Gay
Houston gets Bass
Memphis gets Green

Maybe throw in picks to both teams to sweeten the deal
Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: winsomme on January 09, 2013, 05:31:43 PM
I know we are all really liking what we are seeing out of Sullinger but let's not forget that the starting 5 of Rondo, PP, AB, Bass, and KG was VERY effective last year especially at the end of the season into the playoffs. And Bass was a key part of that unit. He was a solid scoring option in that unit and was money with the pick and pop plays.

Honestly, I'm not sure what way to go. I know we need a backup center and that Bass/Sully lineups aren't good, but I want to see what this starting unit can do now that it is back together.
Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on January 09, 2013, 05:36:17 PM
Why anyone would want to trade Bass, who is a reasonable player on a reasonable contract -- even given his current slump -- is beyond me.


This was on ESPN Insider today. They mention Brandon Bass, but I honestly have no idea what we would be able to ask for. Picks or possibly as a facilitator for a 3 team trade?

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In my "Trade Chips" piece at ESPN Insider today, I mentioned the Rockets as a team that could be on the market for a veteran forward.

The presence of Jeremy Lin and James Harden has the Rockets set up well in the backcourt for years to come, but players like Brandon Bass and Amir Johnson could help take some pressure off of Patrick Patterson at the four.

How likely is it that Houston is active before the trade deadline? Will they be looking to deal? Here's Chad Ford with more.

Considering that him and Sully don't mix well, if you can find someone who's a better fit, then I don't see the problem.

I personally like Wilcox over him anyways, so to me he's the big to trade if the team is pressed for a center.

There are two possibilities in my scenario... find a legit center who'll serve you well for a couple of years, the second is a center who can give you good minutes this year, but is an expiring contract, which will guaranteed you full mid-level next year.

So I can see plenty of reasons why Bass is the player to trade to upgrade the roster.

My preference is still to find someone in the market without having to trade, but if I have to decide on who to trade over our current bigs who are rotation players to trade, it would be Bass.

If we can somehow discover how to use Bass and Sully together effectively, then I would reconsider, but I don't see it happening personally.
Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: RJ87 on January 09, 2013, 05:38:42 PM
Trading bass to Houston for basically nothing could help facilitate the c's moving green to Memphis for Gay.

Boston gets Gay
Houston gets Bass
Memphis gets Green

Maybe throw in picks to both teams to sweeten the deal

As long as John Hollinger works for Memphis,  they're not taking Green.  And Rudy Gay would be waste backing up Paul.
Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: pearljammer10 on January 09, 2013, 05:39:32 PM
Trading bass to Houston for basically nothing could help facilitate the c's moving green to Memphis for Gay.

Boston gets Gay
Houston gets Bass
Memphis gets Green

Maybe throw in picks to both teams to sweeten the deal


Mmmmm, what?
Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: ssspence on January 09, 2013, 05:43:47 PM
Why anyone would want to trade Bass, who is a reasonable player on a reasonable contract -- even given his current slump -- is beyond me.


This was on ESPN Insider today. They mention Brandon Bass, but I honestly have no idea what we would be able to ask for. Picks or possibly as a facilitator for a 3 team trade?

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In my "Trade Chips" piece at ESPN Insider today, I mentioned the Rockets as a team that could be on the market for a veteran forward.

The presence of Jeremy Lin and James Harden has the Rockets set up well in the backcourt for years to come, but players like Brandon Bass and Amir Johnson could help take some pressure off of Patrick Patterson at the four.

How likely is it that Houston is active before the trade deadline? Will they be looking to deal? Here's Chad Ford with more.

So Bass is untouchable? Sounds... reasonable.
Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: Smutzy#9 on January 09, 2013, 05:53:16 PM
Trading bass to Houston for basically nothing could help facilitate the c's moving green to Memphis for Gay.

Boston gets Gay
Houston gets Bass
Memphis gets Green

Maybe throw in picks to both teams to sweeten the deal

As long as John Hollinger works for Memphis,  they're not taking Green.  And Rudy Gay would be waste backing up Paul.

This. you wouldnt start him at the 4 because everyone here already complains about small ball. Dont know why you would take gay to back up peirce who is on an even worse contract than jeff green and would probs put up relatively similar numbers if he was backing up pierce.

Give me a koufas/okafor/mozgov/dalembert type. I reckon you could get them for Bass + picks and they would slot right in
Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: 2short on January 09, 2013, 06:01:00 PM
If bass and picks would get oakafor it's a no brainer
Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: Neurotic Guy on January 09, 2013, 06:07:35 PM
If bass and picks would get oakafor it's a no brainer

I am firmly hooked onto the Okafur train. I think we can get him relatively cheap.  Unfortunately, not as cheap as your suggestion. He has a 13M salary we have to come close to matching.  Bass and Lee or Terry probably does it (may need to add Collins). 
Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: fitzhickey on January 09, 2013, 06:23:40 PM
Bass for Amir Johnson.  Guy's never averaged over 25 mins a game. His per 36 stats are good. 12 pts, 9 rebounds, 2 blocks and a steal. He's also only 25
Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: LooseCannon on January 09, 2013, 06:35:26 PM
The problem is that the Celtics need an UPGRADE on Bass.  Who is going to trade us a legit player who is an upgrade at PF or C for Bass, who plays that position?

The Celtics would be fine with Bass and Sullinger as PF and getting an upgrade on Wilcox and Collins as the backup centers behind KG.
Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: kozlodoev on January 10, 2013, 12:13:18 PM
Why anyone would want to trade Bass, who is a reasonable player on a reasonable contract -- even given his current slump -- is beyond me.


This was on ESPN Insider today. They mention Brandon Bass, but I honestly have no idea what we would be able to ask for. Picks or possibly as a facilitator for a 3 team trade?

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In my "Trade Chips" piece at ESPN Insider today, I mentioned the Rockets as a team that could be on the market for a veteran forward.

The presence of Jeremy Lin and James Harden has the Rockets set up well in the backcourt for years to come, but players like Brandon Bass and Amir Johnson could help take some pressure off of Patrick Patterson at the four.

How likely is it that Houston is active before the trade deadline? Will they be looking to deal? Here's Chad Ford with more.

So Bass is untouchable? Sounds... reasonable.
No, sounds like you're looking to put words in my mouth.

 
Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: CFAN38 on January 10, 2013, 02:51:10 PM
The fact that a Bass for Koufas trade is even mentioned gives me some hope on the type of return we could be looking at for Bass.

I think Bass needs to be traded. This has very little to do with how Bass has been playing. It has everything to do with our rotation. Sully at center and Bass at PF is very fare from ideal. As the season has progressed it is now become obvious that KG is still our #1 big and Sully has surpassed Bass as #2. For the #3 big we need more length and shot blocking than Bass can provide. Udoh or dalembert from the Bucks could fit this role. Wilcox and Collins fit very nicely as our #4 and #5 bigs.

Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: Fafnir on January 10, 2013, 02:56:21 PM
Bass's ability to play quality defense and hit jump shots helps the team a lot. While we need someone other than Garnett to anchor the defense its tough for me to see Bass being traded for a C who adds more than he does.

Big men who can anchor things like that are tough to come by. (clearly otherwise we'd have more than KG on our team)

Maybe if I thought we can count on Sullinger/Wilcox to man the PF spot I'd be for a trade. But Wilcox's injury history makes me doubt him, and Sullinger is a rookie....
Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: j804 on January 10, 2013, 03:01:07 PM
I think Bass needs to be traded. This has very little to do with how Bass has been playing. It has everything to do with our rotation. Sully at center and Bass at PF is very fare from ideal. As the season has progressed it is now become obvious that KG is still our #1 big and Sully has surpassed Bass as #2. For the #3 big we need more length and shot blocking than Bass can provide. Udoh or dalembert from the Bucks could fit this role. Wilcox and Collins fit very nicely as our #4 and #5 bigs.
Who starts then? Dont tell me you think Dalembert will work starting and theres a chance the chemistry never even forms and we go on another slumping losing streak (Bass has chemistry with our starting unit dating back to last year he knows the Celtic's system). I think it'd be a big mistake.
Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: j804 on January 10, 2013, 03:09:13 PM
Bass's ability to play quality defense and hit jump shots helps the team a lot. While we need someone other than Garnett to anchor the defense its tough for me to see Bass being traded for a C who adds more than he does.

Big men who can anchor things like that are tough to come by. (clearly otherwise we'd have more than KG on our team)

Maybe if I thought we can count on Sullinger/Wilcox to man the PF spot I'd be for a trade. But Wilcox's injury history makes me doubt him, and Sullinger is a rookie....
Exactly and he's playoff tested and hit some HUGE shots for us last year also on the defensive end has had some HUGE blocks. He is all grit and balls a guy you want on your side to go to war with.
Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: aporel#18 on January 10, 2013, 03:46:11 PM
I like Bass, but if Sully keeps getting minutes, he'll be ready to start over Bass in a month.

So if Denver is trading Koufos AND Anthony Randolph for Bass, you take them. Start KG and Sully, and use Koufos as a more than decent backup C. Randolph might finally get it, or not, but I've always liked to take a chance on him.

If Danny can get Koufos, Dalembert or Robin Lopez we're set. We don't need a starting C, we need some lenght off the bench and rim protection when KG isn't on the court.
Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: EJPLAYA on January 10, 2013, 04:08:05 PM
Keep in mind that if you trade Bass and somehow wind up with a legit starting center, then that moves KG back to the PF spot and Sully back to the bench. I don't think this improves our team. I think the key right now is to trade Bass for a future development guy if you are convinced that he can't help the team. Based on the playoffs last season, I think the guy should stay. Ride the hot hand with Sully and Bass and let them push each other to play better. Win, win. Wilcox comes in for KG, because the two of them definitely aren't great in there at the same time.
Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: Jon on January 10, 2013, 04:51:18 PM
I tend to agree with the contingent that says that while it'd be nice to trade Bass for a quality center, I'm not quite sure it's going to happen.  People talk about pairing him with Lee, but together they make about 10 million a year for this season and the next two (and Lee has an additional year after that).  I'm not sure how many teams want to take that on. 

I'm actually OK with Sully and Wilcox manning the 4 if the C's do manage to pull it off.  Assuming we traded Bass in a deal for a center, in the event that Wilcox went down again, we'd have the option of sliding Garnett back to the 4 to play alongside the new center, at least part of the time.  And Green can certainly play some 4 minutes. 

But again, I'm not sure how exactly we pull such a deal off, especially for a center who is actually an upgrade over Collins, who isn't great, but at least plays good defense. 
Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: snively on January 10, 2013, 05:10:35 PM

Why anyone would want to trade Bass, who is a reasonable player on a reasonable contract -- even given his current slump -- is beyond me.


Because he's a poor rebounder, a weak-to-mediocre defender and a limited offensive player with a rapidly improving rookie behind him looking like a better fit as a 5th starter (Sully's a much superior rebounder, progressing into a comparable defender, and offers a broader offensive skillset).

Makes sense to me.

Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: Jon on January 10, 2013, 05:21:17 PM

Why anyone would want to trade Bass, who is a reasonable player on a reasonable contract -- even given his current slump -- is beyond me.


Because he's a poor rebounder, a weak-to-mediocre defender and a limited offensive player with a rapidly improving rookie behind him looking like a better fit as a 5th starter (Sully's a much superior rebounder, progressing into a comparable defender, and offers a broader offensive skillset).

Makes sense to me.

Agreed.  And assuming that Wilcox gets healthy and that Bass can land us a center (though I'm very skeptical about that), there's no reason that a Sully/Wilcox PF rotation (with a sprinkling of Green) can't do quite well.

And I'd also add that for a guy who will likely be relegated to the backup 4 spot (or at least backup minutes, even if he starts) sooner rather than later, the 6+ million dollars he makes each of the next 3 years isn't that great, especially when we Wilcox at the minimum who could easily fill the role. 
Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: snively on January 10, 2013, 05:21:30 PM
Keep in mind that if you trade Bass and somehow wind up with a legit starting center, then that moves KG back to the PF spot and Sully back to the bench. I don't think this improves our team.

The issue isn't so much who starts as the quality of the available big man pairings. Our 2nd & 3rd best bigs are both defensively challenged 4s, and Collins is the only healthy veteran center on the team other than KG.  This puts us in the bind of having to play KG huge minutes, play Collins or put up with Sully/Bass for extended stretches.

It doesn't really matter who starts as long as Doc keeps a capable 5 on the floor as much as possible.  That will help the team (and Sully).  Now if Doc is an idiot and only plays his 5s (KG + hypothetical new 5) together, while leaving Sully as the 5 alongside another small guy at 4 with the bench, then we have a problem, but Doc isn't an idiot (the bizarre extension of the Collins starting experiment notwithstanding).
Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: ssspence on January 10, 2013, 05:29:11 PM

Why anyone would want to trade Bass, who is a reasonable player on a reasonable contract -- even given his current slump -- is beyond me.


Because he's a poor rebounder, a weak-to-mediocre defender and a limited offensive player with a rapidly improving rookie behind him looking like a better fit as a 5th starter (Sully's a much superior rebounder, progressing into a comparable defender, and offers a broader offensive skillset).

Makes sense to me.

Sully should continue to come off the bench, in part due to his foul rate. But I'd certainly prefer to see a better player starting in the frontcourt than Bass.

I can't see the Suns being interested in any package for Gortat built around Bass, no matter how many picks / cash get thrown... which sucks.
Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: LEHGOCELTICS on January 10, 2013, 05:41:49 PM
I can't see Morey messing with their cap space. He still has his eye on Dwight this summer. Lakers seem to be imploding right before our eyes. Why would Dwight stick around with that core?

Because in a year or two Kobe will be gone and then Dwight gets to be the main man, and they can build the team around his strengths.

And we saw just how well that worked out in Orlando, didn't we. Dwight + 4 shooters is not how you win a title.
Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: j804 on January 11, 2013, 04:22:25 AM

Why anyone would want to trade Bass, who is a reasonable player on a reasonable contract -- even given his current slump -- is beyond me.


Because he's a poor rebounder, a weak-to-mediocre defender and a limited offensive player with a rapidly improving rookie behind him looking like a better fit as a 5th starter (Sully's a much superior rebounder, progressing into a comparable defender, and offers a broader offensive skillset).

Makes sense to me.
you aren't going to land anybody much better than Bass only giving up him and picks it'd have to be Lee or Bradley thrown in and its not worth it, this big we land isn't going to put us over the top chemistry could get ugly and we can be even worse
Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: LooseCannon on January 11, 2013, 05:14:01 AM
The logical suitor for Bass is a playoff team that sees Bass as an upgrade over either their starting PF or their first big off the bench and is willing to give up a younger, taller, more athletic underperforming big who they have given up on, but who Ainge thinks will blossom in Boston despite not matching the production level of Bass so far.

Does such a team exist?
Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: stes on January 11, 2013, 06:56:07 AM
The logical suitor for Bass is a playoff team that sees Bass as an upgrade over either their starting PF or their first big off the bench and is willing to give up a younger, taller, more athletic underperforming big who they have given up on, but who Ainge thinks will blossom in Boston despite not matching the production level of Bass so far.

Does such a team exist?

Denver??

They've got TPE from Nene trade and Mozgov, who's not getting any playing time. I don't remember where I read it, but they're supposely looking to improve their spacing and are quite thin at PF spot (only Manimal and A.Randolph on their roster? Btw, is Faried a PF or SF?).
I'm not sure they'd want Bass that much, but that could be a nice trade from Boston perspective. Get a better backup 5 and shed 3mil in salaries, so that we could chase some help with BAE...

I've got no other ideas.
///edit:
Actually, I just remembered, that during the Rockets-Lakers game this week, the broadcasters discussed Rockets need for upgrade in production at the 4 spot. But they should have a nice chunk of cap space next summer, so I doubt they would give it up on Bass. Secondly, it's not like they have any centers to spare.
Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: slamtheking on January 11, 2013, 08:11:13 AM
The logical suitor for Bass is a playoff team that sees Bass as an upgrade over either their starting PF or their first big off the bench and is willing to give up a younger, taller, more athletic underperforming big who they have given up on, but who Ainge thinks will blossom in Boston despite not matching the production level of Bass so far.

Does such a team exist?
well based on that criteria, "a younger, taller, more athletic underperforming big" that would describe Dwight Howard.  let's get that trade done!!  ;D
Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: pearljammer10 on January 11, 2013, 09:09:51 AM
Possibles I could see, maybe.

Bass and a first to Denver for Mozgof

Bass and a first to Lakers for Jordan Hill

Bass to the Bucks for Dalembert (not likely. Bucks have a lot of player in the front line)


Thats really about it that I can see. Not much of an upgrade in any of those deals from Wilcox. Bass for Camby I would do in a second. Not seeing much available for a bass trade.
Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: Fafnir on January 11, 2013, 09:15:05 AM
Faried is a PF, not a SF. He can't shoot, so there would be no spacing. Think Gerald Wallace early years only, far far worse.

I wouldn't give up a pick and rotation player to get Jordan Hill, even if he was healthy.
Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: CelticG1 on January 11, 2013, 09:20:12 AM
Bass showed his worth last year. He is still young very solid player.

We should not trade him for 2 cents on the dollar.

Really Camby?
Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: pearljammer10 on January 11, 2013, 09:22:13 AM
Bass showed his worth last year. He is still young very solid player.

We should not trade him for 2 cents on the dollar.

Really Camby?

Sully makes Bass expendable and Camby gives this team EXACTLY what they need. A big man who can rebound, protect the rim, and defend, while not needing the ball on offense to change the game.

Him and KG could work wonders for Melo too.
Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: Chris on January 11, 2013, 09:34:57 AM
Bass showed his worth last year. He is still young very solid player.

We should not trade him for 2 cents on the dollar.

Really Camby?

Sully makes Bass expendable and Camby gives this team EXACTLY what they need.

An over the hill center, who is never actually able to play because he is always hurt.  Seems to fit the recent history of the team I suppose.
Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: pearljammer10 on January 11, 2013, 09:38:26 AM
Bass showed his worth last year. He is still young very solid player.

We should not trade him for 2 cents on the dollar.

Really Camby?

Sully makes Bass expendable and Camby gives this team EXACTLY what they need.

An over the hill center, who is never actually able to play because he is always hurt.  Seems to fit the recent history of the team I suppose.

At least he plays and makes a difference. Camby 10 minutes a game sign me up. More of a sure thing than Oden supporters (even thought I would take a chance Oden as well.)
Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: Chris on January 11, 2013, 09:45:49 AM
Bass showed his worth last year. He is still young very solid player.

We should not trade him for 2 cents on the dollar.

Really Camby?

Sully makes Bass expendable and Camby gives this team EXACTLY what they need.

An over the hill center, who is never actually able to play because he is always hurt.  Seems to fit the recent history of the team I suppose.

At least he plays and makes a difference. Camby 10 minutes a game sign me up. More of a sure thing than Oden supporters (even thought I would take a chance Oden as well.)

My point is he doesn't play, and left last game in a walking boot.  He has played in 14 games this year.  Yeah, its better than Oden, but to me, the argument isn't Oden vs. Camby.

The thing about Camby is that you will have to give up a rotation player to get him, and you would have to take on his contract which makes Jason Terry's look prudent.  And you can't rely one bit on him being healthy when you need him, because his body is breaking down at an alarming rate.
Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: Fafnir on January 11, 2013, 10:01:11 AM
Yeah the Knicks are in some trouble.

If Sheed/Camby are both done as rotation players they can count on they're down to Kurt Thomas and Amar'e for other "bigs" beyond Chandler.
Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: action781 on January 11, 2013, 10:04:27 AM

Why anyone would want to trade Bass, who is a reasonable player on a reasonable contract -- even given his current slump -- is beyond me.


Because he's a poor rebounder, a weak-to-mediocre defender and a limited offensive player with a rapidly improving rookie behind him looking like a better fit as a 5th starter (Sully's a much superior rebounder, progressing into a comparable defender, and offers a broader offensive skillset).

Makes sense to me.

His rebounding isn't great, but I don't see it as something terrible either.  I don't find myself complaining in games that his man is consistently getting offensive rebounds over him.  His DRR is 15.6% which is not much worse than that of Hibbert (17%), Javale Mcgee (16.7%), Taj Gibson (16.9%) or Pekovic (17.2%).  I'm only considering defensive rebounding here because celtics fans know that offensive rebounding is not exactly a choice of Bass' in our system.

His defense was "weak-to-mediocre"?  Who exactly has torched Bass that you've noticed?  I'll tell you that Josh Smith did NOT in the playoffs last year.  Elton Brand didn't do much either.  And Bass played very good team defense the entire series against Miami.  I'd say his defense is no worse than average and that's a pretty fair description.  Weak defenders get torched on the regular in the NBA.  Like Antawn Jamison.

He scored 12.5 ppg last season within the flow of the offense at a very good fg%.  I don't see what else you want from your 4th/5th option.  A 20 ppg scorer who can isolate his man?  His shooting has dropped this year, but his shot selection remains the same as last year and I think (as many others do) that his % will come back (51% in january so far).


If Sullinger proves he is starter-worthy, then yes down the road Bass will become expendable.  But we are competing for a championship here.  I am not as convinced that Sullinger can give us in the postseason what Bass gave us last year.  And given what the market seems to want to pay for Bass, I don't think it's wise to trade him yet.  Maybe in a year when Sullinger is further developed and as fluid in our system as Bass currently is.  Also, Bass' contract won't be as much of a long term commitment for other teams at that point.
Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: RyNye on January 11, 2013, 10:05:20 AM
If I knew that Camby would be healthy, I would LOVE to have him. He has always been a criminally underrated player in this league.

That said, he is having a tough time with injuries recently. He has barely played 100 minutes so far this season. It is showing up on the court, too: in fact, he is having his worst statistical season of his career, even adjusting for minutes played.

I know it's a small sample size, but his turnover rate is 20% for the season. That means 1 out of every 5 times he has touched the ball he has turned it over. It should be around half that (his career average is around 12%).

Anyway, if Camby can be healthy I would still take him. If he can play anything like he has the last 2 seasons he would be the best backup option available.
Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: KGs Knee on January 12, 2013, 12:15:27 PM
The only deal I can think of where we could match salaries straight up is for Dalembert.

Don't think Danny would do a straight up deal, but I wouldn't be opposed entirely.  At least Dalembert is an expiring contract.  Maybe get Milwaukee to give up there 1st rd pick, or a swap of picks (ours for theirs).

Bass can't have too much value right now.  I wouldn't mind dumping his salary, and clearing more room for Sully in the rotation.
Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: KGs Knee on January 12, 2013, 12:17:36 PM
If I knew that Camby would be healthy, I would LOVE to have him. He has always been a criminally underrated player in this league.

That said, he is having a tough time with injuries recently. He has barely played 100 minutes so far this season. It is showing up on the court, too: in fact, he is having his worst statistical season of his career, even adjusting for minutes played.

I know it's a small sample size, but his turnover rate is 20% for the season. That means 1 out of every 5 times he has touched the ball he has turned it over. It should be around half that (his career average is around 12%).

Anyway, if Camby can be healthy I would still take him. If he can play anything like he has the last 2 seasons he would be the best backup option available.

Don't think the Knicks will be trading Camby if he is healthy.
Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: saltlover on January 12, 2013, 12:33:09 PM
The only deal I can think of where we could match salaries straight up is for Dalembert.

Don't think Danny would do a straight up deal, but I wouldn't be opposed entirely.  At least Dalembert is an expiring contract.  Maybe get Milwaukee to give up there 1st rd pick, or a swap of picks (ours for theirs).

Bass can't have too much value right now.  I wouldn't mind dumping his salary, and clearing more room for Sully in the rotation.

I've been liking Dalembert as part of a three-way deal with Bass to Milwaukee, Dalembert and picks to a team shedding a contract, and that third player to us.  Gortat, for instance.  Or Kaman (but as evidenced by another thread, I'm the only one who likes Kaman.) I wouldn't want to make such a trade unless we were getting back a pure 5, however.  I don't think we'll be able to get an upgrade on Bass for the specific role he fills.
Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: CelticsFan9 on January 12, 2013, 12:42:48 PM
Just imagine this for a second: Bass hitting his jumper at the same rate he was last year.

 Man, our team would be so much better right now.

As much as I love Bass' hustle, without his jumper, he's a liability on the floor.
Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: toine83 on January 12, 2013, 01:10:05 PM
What about Jason Thompson?
The new Sonics would ask for Bradley in any trade with Boston...
Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: kozlodoev on January 12, 2013, 01:34:26 PM
Bass can't have too much value right now.  I wouldn't mind dumping his salary, and clearing more room for Sully in the rotation.
Will you also petition the NBA to increase the DQ limits to 10 fouls? Because Sullinger's limited minutes are certainly not because of Bass.
Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: BballTim on January 12, 2013, 01:44:57 PM
Bass can't have too much value right now.  I wouldn't mind dumping his salary, and clearing more room for Sully in the rotation.

  There's plenty of room in the rotation for Sully with Bass playing. This isn't like the guard situation where we have 4-5 players competing for (eventually) mainly 3 spots. If we get rid of Bass we need another big capable of playing as many minutes as Bass does.
Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: danglertx on January 13, 2013, 12:29:51 PM
I'm not sure exactly how we'd work this but it would almost certainly have to be a three way and a small contract added to it but Kaman of Dallas is on a one year deal and they certainly aren't going anywhere.  Dallas doesn't use him nearly enough.

Kaman makes 8mil.  Bass 6mil. So we'd have to send out 7.5ish which means a two of the 800k contracts probably.  It doesn't work out well but Kaman would be the perfect kind of big center we could use.  He is a very underrated guy with a solid jumper, post game, and blocks shots.
Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on January 13, 2013, 12:49:50 PM
Keep in mind that if you trade Bass and somehow wind up with a legit starting center, then that moves KG back to the PF spot and Sully back to the bench. I don't think this improves our team. I think the key right now is to trade Bass for a future development guy if you are convinced that he can't help the team. Based on the playoffs last season, I think the guy should stay. Ride the hot hand with Sully and Bass and let them push each other to play better. Win, win. Wilcox comes in for KG, because the two of them definitely aren't great in there at the same time.

not really. you just tell the guy to play the 5 when we tell him to relieve Kg so we keep a RIM PROTECTOR in at all times. Wilcox is not a good rebounder nor can he block shots. we need a guy backing up KG that can do both of those things.
Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: saltlover on January 13, 2013, 09:04:21 PM
I'm not sure exactly how we'd work this but it would almost certainly have to be a three way and a small contract added to it but Kaman of Dallas is on a one year deal and they certainly aren't going anywhere.  Dallas doesn't use him nearly enough.

Kaman makes 8mil.  Bass 6mil. So we'd have to send out 7.5ish which means a two of the 800k contracts probably.  It doesn't work out well but Kaman would be the perfect kind of big center we could use.  He is a very underrated guy with a solid jumper, post game, and blocks shots.

We'd need to send out a little less than 6.4 mil for Kaman, so Bass + anyone works.  Sending out more helps with respect to the hard cap, but is not required.
Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: ImShakHeIsShaq on January 13, 2013, 09:08:57 PM
I'm not sure exactly how we'd work this but it would almost certainly have to be a three way and a small contract added to it but Kaman of Dallas is on a one year deal and they certainly aren't going anywhere.  Dallas doesn't use him nearly enough.

Kaman makes 8mil.  Bass 6mil. So we'd have to send out 7.5ish which means a two of the 800k contracts probably.  It doesn't work out well but Kaman would be the perfect kind of big center we could use.  He is a very underrated guy with a solid jumper, post game, and blocks shots.

We'd need to send out a little less than 6.4 mil for Kaman, so Bass + anyone works.  Sending out more helps with respect to the hard cap, but is not required.

Dallas isn't taking on Bass... they are saving up for CP and DH run! Kaman is just what they need b/c he will be off the books.
Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: saltlover on January 13, 2013, 09:16:44 PM
I'm not sure exactly how we'd work this but it would almost certainly have to be a three way and a small contract added to it but Kaman of Dallas is on a one year deal and they certainly aren't going anywhere.  Dallas doesn't use him nearly enough.

Kaman makes 8mil.  Bass 6mil. So we'd have to send out 7.5ish which means a two of the 800k contracts probably.  It doesn't work out well but Kaman would be the perfect kind of big center we could use.  He is a very underrated guy with a solid jumper, post game, and blocks shots.

We'd need to send out a little less than 6.4 mil for Kaman, so Bass + anyone works.  Sending out more helps with respect to the hard cap, but is not required.

Dallas isn't taking on Bass... they are saving up for CP and DH run! Kaman is just what they need b/c he will be off the books.

Hence why the OP suggested a third team, and I suggested Dalembert earlier in this thread, as his expiring contract won't harm Cuban's off-season plans. 

So something like:

Bass to Milwaukee
Dalembert, Barbosa, and some sort of future draft compensation to Dallas
Kaman to Boston
Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: hpantazo on January 13, 2013, 09:23:02 PM
I'm not sure exactly how we'd work this but it would almost certainly have to be a three way and a small contract added to it but Kaman of Dallas is on a one year deal and they certainly aren't going anywhere.  Dallas doesn't use him nearly enough.

Kaman makes 8mil.  Bass 6mil. So we'd have to send out 7.5ish which means a two of the 800k contracts probably.  It doesn't work out well but Kaman would be the perfect kind of big center we could use.  He is a very underrated guy with a solid jumper, post game, and blocks shots.

We'd need to send out a little less than 6.4 mil for Kaman, so Bass + anyone works.  Sending out more helps with respect to the hard cap, but is not required.

Dallas isn't taking on Bass... they are saving up for CP and DH run! Kaman is just what they need b/c he will be off the books.

Hence why the OP suggested a third team, and I suggested Dalembert earlier in this thread, as his expiring contract won't harm Cuban's off-season plans. 

So something like:

Bass to Milwaukee
Dalembert, Barbosa, and some sort of future draft compensation to Dallas
Kaman to Boston

The Bucks already have too many power forwards, why the heck would they want Bass?
Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: diconzo on January 13, 2013, 09:26:33 PM
If we wanted Kaman, we would have to do a 3 team trade. ATL could use a backup PF, especially one with a jumper. For the record, This trade works in Realgm.com Trade Checker (I added picks)

BOS sends: Brandon Bass, 2013 1st, BYK 2014 2nd (Owed to us)
BOS receives: Chris Kaman

DAL sends: Chris Kaman
DAL receives: ZaZa Pachulia, BOS 2013 1st, BYK 2014 2nd

ATL sends: ZaZa Pachulia
ATL gets: Brandon Bass
Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: hpantazo on January 13, 2013, 09:29:11 PM
If we wanted Kaman, we would have to do a 3 team trade. ATL could use a backup PF, especially one with a jumper. For the record, This trade works in Realgm.com Trade Checker (I added picks)

BOS sends: Brandon Bass, 2013 1st, BYK 2014 2nd (Owed to us)
BOS receives: Chris Kaman

DAL sends: Chris Kaman
DAL receives: ZaZa Pachulia, BOS 2013 1st, BYK 2014 2nd

ATL sends: ZaZa Pachulia
ATL gets: Brandon Bass

Not bad, but I wouldn't give up a 1st round pick to get Kaman. He's not worth it imo.
Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: diconzo on January 13, 2013, 09:35:52 PM
If we wanted Kaman, we would have to do a 3 team trade. ATL could use a backup PF, especially one with a jumper. For the record, This trade works in Realgm.com Trade Checker (I added picks)

BOS sends: Brandon Bass, 2013 1st, BYK 2014 2nd (Owed to us)
BOS receives: Chris Kaman

DAL sends: Chris Kaman
DAL receives: ZaZa Pachulia, BOS 2013 1st, BYK 2014 2nd

ATL sends: ZaZa Pachulia
ATL gets: Brandon Bass

Not bad, but I wouldn't give up a 1st round pick to get Kaman. He's not worth it imo.

If it helps, I've heard the 2013 draft isn't going to be spectacular, and a lot of prospects don't look NBA ready. I'm guessing there's going to be a lot of kids staying in school another year. On the other hand, we have a good chance of landing in the 19-21 range again this year. Rondo(21), Bradley(19), Sully(21), Who could be next?
Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: crownontherocks on January 13, 2013, 11:48:13 PM
The Dallas Mavericks will be active in looking for ways to upgrade their roster prior to the February trade deadline.

“There’s a 100 percent chance that we’re going to try to do something,” Mavericks owner Mark Cuban said.

Dallas has several players with expiring contracts, which could be attractive to teams trying to cut costs.

“Hopefully that will play to our advantage because (teams) can’t avoid looking at trades,” Cuban said. “But I don’t have a preference one way or the other. I’m not going to do a trade just to do a trade, even if it’s a star. ... It’s hard to find just one guy who puts you over the top. It has to be somebody who gets us to the point where we could get back on track to where we want to be.”

Via Tim MacMahon/ESPNDallas


Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: Kane3387 on January 14, 2013, 12:36:22 AM
A team like Houston, with cap space, could work in a three team deal. Bass to Houston who can take him bc they're under the cap, and then a player similar in salary size to us from a third team looking to cut costs... Houston needs a pf and bass could be a good fit with harden and Lin.
Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: barefacedmonk on January 14, 2013, 12:47:16 AM
A team like Houston, with cap space, could work in a three team deal. Bass to Houston who can take him bc they're under the cap, and then a player similar in salary size to us from a third team looking to cut costs... Houston needs a pf and bass could be a good fit with harden and Lin.

They do need a PF, but not Bass. Morey will want to make a big splash with all that cap space. Between Bass and Patterson/Morris + cap space, they'll most likely go with the latter. Why waste money on someone who isn't much of an upgrade over the PF they already have?
Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: LooseCannon on January 14, 2013, 02:34:40 AM
If you really want to look for a possible suitor for Bass, start with team depth charts (http://espn.go.com/nba/depth/_/type/full) and come up with a list of all teams with at least an outside shot at the playoffs where Bass would be a clear upgrade over one of their top two power forwards.
Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: PhoSita on January 14, 2013, 03:42:43 AM
The Dallas Mavericks will be active in looking for ways to upgrade their roster prior to the February trade deadline.

“There’s a 100 percent chance that we’re going to try to do something,” Mavericks owner Mark Cuban said.

Dallas has several players with expiring contracts, which could be attractive to teams trying to cut costs.

“Hopefully that will play to our advantage because (teams) can’t avoid looking at trades,” Cuban said. “But I don’t have a preference one way or the other. I’m not going to do a trade just to do a trade, even if it’s a star. ... It’s hard to find just one guy who puts you over the top. It has to be somebody who gets us to the point where we could get back on track to where we want to be.”

Via Tim MacMahon/ESPNDallas

Bass, filler, and a pick for Marion.

A man can dream.

Actually, if the Cs could somehow trade for Marion without giving up a young asset I'd be really excited.  Marion could look really good playing next to KG.  Can do many of the thing Bass does only he's far more versatile, is a much better rebounder, and he can shoot from outside (a little).

That could be one way to upgrade our front-court without giving up the farm to acquire a young player with size.
Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: Fafnir on January 14, 2013, 09:25:07 AM
Mavs aren't trading Marion for a role player (Bass) who has longer term deal like that. They want to keep their cap space open for this off season. Plus they aren't upgrading their rotation, they'd have a massive hole on the wing then.
Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: kozlodoev on January 14, 2013, 10:16:52 AM
Mavs aren't trading Marion for a role player (Bass) who has longer term deal like that. They want to keep their cap space open for this off season. Plus they aren't upgrading their rotation, they'd have a massive hole on the wing then.
Not to mention that Marion is, well, Jeff Green. The only thing such a deal would do is create (more) positional logjam.
Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: pearljammer10 on January 14, 2013, 10:28:52 AM
Mavs aren't trading Marion for a role player (Bass) who has longer term deal like that. They want to keep their cap space open for this off season. Plus they aren't upgrading their rotation, they'd have a massive hole on the wing then.
Not to mention that Marion is, well, Jeff Green. The only thing such a deal would do is create (more) positional logjam.

I'd love Marion as much as the next guy but these replies are right. Marion isnt being traded for Bass. Also, we arent trading for Marion unless we have a deal in place for Green. And since Green is younger and at this point probably better than Marion due to Marions age, I just dont see it happening.
Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: StartOrien on January 14, 2013, 10:30:51 AM
Mavs aren't trading Marion for a role player (Bass) who has longer term deal like that. They want to keep their cap space open for this off season. Plus they aren't upgrading their rotation, they'd have a massive hole on the wing then.
Not to mention that Marion is, well, Jeff Green. The only thing such a deal would do is create (more) positional logjam.

Two completely different players - while Marion certainly on the decline, he's an incredible defensive player still. He's two years removed of doing as good of a job defending Lebron James as anyones ever seen.

Meanwhile Green is a much more polished offensive game. Not just the fluidity of his shot, but his ability to get to the rim and create also.
Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: Chris on January 14, 2013, 10:35:15 AM
Not sure if this has been posted yet, but particularly if Danny wants to use Green to get a big man, I wonder if LA would be interested in a Bass for Artest swap.

Artest would give another guy to throw at Lebron, and he would fit in with the C's defensive identity that they seem to be reclaiming. 

And for the Lakers, Bass would be a nice upgrade over Jamison as a midrange shooting PF who can run the pick and pop, and might be a decent fit in their system. 
Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: kozlodoev on January 14, 2013, 10:37:30 AM
Mavs aren't trading Marion for a role player (Bass) who has longer term deal like that. They want to keep their cap space open for this off season. Plus they aren't upgrading their rotation, they'd have a massive hole on the wing then.
Not to mention that Marion is, well, Jeff Green. The only thing such a deal would do is create (more) positional logjam.

Two completely different players - while Marion certainly on the decline, he's an incredible defensive player still. He's two years removed of doing as good of a job defending Lebron James as anyones ever seen.

Meanwhile Green is a much more polished offensive game. Not just the fluidity of his shot, but his ability to get to the rim and create also.
They are the same player from a roster management perspective, as in they can't be on the floor at the same time, because they can't really play multiple positions effectively. Therefore adding Marion would be pretty much a waste of resources.
Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: pearljammer10 on January 14, 2013, 11:19:04 AM
Mavs aren't trading Marion for a role player (Bass) who has longer term deal like that. They want to keep their cap space open for this off season. Plus they aren't upgrading their rotation, they'd have a massive hole on the wing then.
Not to mention that Marion is, well, Jeff Green. The only thing such a deal would do is create (more) positional logjam.

Two completely different players - while Marion certainly on the decline, he's an incredible defensive player still. He's two years removed of doing as good of a job defending Lebron James as anyones ever seen.

Meanwhile Green is a much more polished offensive game. Not just the fluidity of his shot, but his ability to get to the rim and create also.
They are the same player from a roster management perspective, as in they can't be on the floor at the same time, because they can't really play multiple positions effectively. Therefore adding Marion would be pretty much a waste of resources.

Agreed and like I mentioned earlier, Marion only "helps" us if Green is involved in another deal. But with Marion and Green on the roster we would have to tweener forwards. Having them on the floor together at the 3 and 4 would allow teams to expose or lack of depth.
Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: CFAN38 on January 14, 2013, 11:34:44 AM
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     think Bass needs to be traded. This has very little to do with how Bass has been playing. It has everything to do with our rotation. Sully at center and Bass at PF is very fare from ideal. As the season has progressed it is now become obvious that KG is still our #1 big and Sully has surpassed Bass as #2. For the #3 big we need more length and shot blocking than Bass can provide. Udoh or dalembert from the Bucks could fit this role. Wilcox and Collins fit very nicely as our #4 and #5 bigs.

Who starts then? Dont tell me you think Dalembert will work starting and theres a chance the chemistry never even forms and we go on another slumping losing streak (Bass has chemistry with our starting unit dating back to last year he knows the Celtic's system). I think it'd be a big mistake.

Sully would start and play 30min a game, KG plays his 30, Dalembert gets 20, the last 16 are split between collins and wilcox based on matchup. The Cs are never left without length on the court.
Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: danglertx on January 15, 2013, 05:51:38 PM
Living in Fort Worth I catch quite a few of the Mavs game and in no way do I want any part of Marion.  The guy is horrible.  I'd take Green every day all day over Marion.
Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: bfrombleacher on January 16, 2013, 09:58:46 AM
http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=1191648&start=630

Rockets apparently need a 4 who can space the floor a little. Could do a mini 3 team trade.
Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: Eddie20 on January 16, 2013, 10:19:19 AM
http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=1191648&start=630

Rockets apparently need a 4 who can space the floor a little. Could do a mini 3 team trade.

I don't agree with this. They have two PF's (Morris and Patterson), both younger than Bass, who have 3PT range. I don't think Bass would be a clear cut upgrade over either.
Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: kozlodoev on January 16, 2013, 10:52:08 AM
Quote
     think Bass needs to be traded. This has very little to do with how Bass has been playing. It has everything to do with our rotation. Sully at center and Bass at PF is very fare from ideal. As the season has progressed it is now become obvious that KG is still our #1 big and Sully has surpassed Bass as #2. For the #3 big we need more length and shot blocking than Bass can provide. Udoh or dalembert from the Bucks could fit this role. Wilcox and Collins fit very nicely as our #4 and #5 bigs.

Who starts then? Dont tell me you think Dalembert will work starting and theres a chance the chemistry never even forms and we go on another slumping losing streak (Bass has chemistry with our starting unit dating back to last year he knows the Celtic's system). I think it'd be a big mistake.

Sully would start and play 30min a game, KG plays his 30, Dalembert gets 20, the last 16 are split between collins and wilcox based on matchup. The Cs are never left without length on the court.
Will the NBA also grant him a fouling exemption? Because he's on track to average close to 5.5 fouls in those 30 minutes that he'll supposedly be playing.
Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: Fafnir on January 16, 2013, 10:58:26 AM
Quote
     think Bass needs to be traded. This has very little to do with how Bass has been playing. It has everything to do with our rotation. Sully at center and Bass at PF is very fare from ideal. As the season has progressed it is now become obvious that KG is still our #1 big and Sully has surpassed Bass as #2. For the #3 big we need more length and shot blocking than Bass can provide. Udoh or dalembert from the Bucks could fit this role. Wilcox and Collins fit very nicely as our #4 and #5 bigs.

Who starts then? Dont tell me you think Dalembert will work starting and theres a chance the chemistry never even forms and we go on another slumping losing streak (Bass has chemistry with our starting unit dating back to last year he knows the Celtic's system). I think it'd be a big mistake.

Sully would start and play 30min a game, KG plays his 30, Dalembert gets 20, the last 16 are split between collins and wilcox based on matchup. The Cs are never left without length on the court.
Will the NBA also grant him a fouling exemption? Because he's on track to average close to 5.5 fouls in those 30 minutes that he'll supposedly be playing.
And he's maintained the same rate of fouling in January as his minutes have increased.
Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: Chris on January 16, 2013, 11:00:49 AM
Quote
     think Bass needs to be traded. This has very little to do with how Bass has been playing. It has everything to do with our rotation. Sully at center and Bass at PF is very fare from ideal. As the season has progressed it is now become obvious that KG is still our #1 big and Sully has surpassed Bass as #2. For the #3 big we need more length and shot blocking than Bass can provide. Udoh or dalembert from the Bucks could fit this role. Wilcox and Collins fit very nicely as our #4 and #5 bigs.

Who starts then? Dont tell me you think Dalembert will work starting and theres a chance the chemistry never even forms and we go on another slumping losing streak (Bass has chemistry with our starting unit dating back to last year he knows the Celtic's system). I think it'd be a big mistake.

Sully would start and play 30min a game, KG plays his 30, Dalembert gets 20, the last 16 are split between collins and wilcox based on matchup. The Cs are never left without length on the court.
Will the NBA also grant him a fouling exemption? Because he's on track to average close to 5.5 fouls in those 30 minutes that he'll supposedly be playing.
And he's maintained the same rate of fouling in January as his minutes have increased.

He has.  Although I think he has started to cut down on some of the dumb fouls, and has also started getting a little more leeway from some refs.  But he does still have a ways to go. 
Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: kozlodoev on January 16, 2013, 11:03:44 AM
Quote
     think Bass needs to be traded. This has very little to do with how Bass has been playing. It has everything to do with our rotation. Sully at center and Bass at PF is very fare from ideal. As the season has progressed it is now become obvious that KG is still our #1 big and Sully has surpassed Bass as #2. For the #3 big we need more length and shot blocking than Bass can provide. Udoh or dalembert from the Bucks could fit this role. Wilcox and Collins fit very nicely as our #4 and #5 bigs.

Who starts then? Dont tell me you think Dalembert will work starting and theres a chance the chemistry never even forms and we go on another slumping losing streak (Bass has chemistry with our starting unit dating back to last year he knows the Celtic's system). I think it'd be a big mistake.

Sully would start and play 30min a game, KG plays his 30, Dalembert gets 20, the last 16 are split between collins and wilcox based on matchup. The Cs are never left without length on the court.
Will the NBA also grant him a fouling exemption? Because he's on track to average close to 5.5 fouls in those 30 minutes that he'll supposedly be playing.
And he's maintained the same rate of fouling in January as his minutes have increased.
Pretty much yes (4.5 fouls in 25 minutes in January, slight improvement, but still horrid)

Remarkably, between November and December his fouls went up while his minutes decreased. It's a real issue. You just can't afford to depend on Sullinger for major minutes right now.

Maybe it's not entirely a fault of his own (rookie treatment is real), but I've seen him made some legit boneheaded plays. Kid has a lot to learn still.
Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: Fafnir on January 16, 2013, 11:22:55 AM
Quote
     think Bass needs to be traded. This has very little to do with how Bass has been playing. It has everything to do with our rotation. Sully at center and Bass at PF is very fare from ideal. As the season has progressed it is now become obvious that KG is still our #1 big and Sully has surpassed Bass as #2. For the #3 big we need more length and shot blocking than Bass can provide. Udoh or dalembert from the Bucks could fit this role. Wilcox and Collins fit very nicely as our #4 and #5 bigs.

Who starts then? Dont tell me you think Dalembert will work starting and theres a chance the chemistry never even forms and we go on another slumping losing streak (Bass has chemistry with our starting unit dating back to last year he knows the Celtic's system). I think it'd be a big mistake.

Sully would start and play 30min a game, KG plays his 30, Dalembert gets 20, the last 16 are split between collins and wilcox based on matchup. The Cs are never left without length on the court.
Will the NBA also grant him a fouling exemption? Because he's on track to average close to 5.5 fouls in those 30 minutes that he'll supposedly be playing.
And he's maintained the same rate of fouling in January as his minutes have increased.
Pretty much yes (4.5 fouls in 25 minutes in January, slight improvement, but still horrid)

Remarkably, between November and December his fouls went up while his minutes decreased. It's a real issue. You just can't afford to depend on Sullinger for major minutes right now.

Maybe it's not entirely a fault of his own (rookie treatment is real), but I've seen him made some legit boneheaded plays. Kid has a lot to learn still.
4.5 in 25 is 5.4 in 30.

Its just a fact for rookie bigs in the NBA. They have a bunch of foul trouble. Eventually they either figure it out, or the refs just let them go nuts.

AV is the prime example, refs suddenly decided over the back rules don't apply to him his fourth year in the league.
Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: ssspence on January 16, 2013, 12:19:35 PM
Quote
     think Bass needs to be traded. This has very little to do with how Bass has been playing. It has everything to do with our rotation. Sully at center and Bass at PF is very fare from ideal. As the season has progressed it is now become obvious that KG is still our #1 big and Sully has surpassed Bass as #2. For the #3 big we need more length and shot blocking than Bass can provide. Udoh or dalembert from the Bucks could fit this role. Wilcox and Collins fit very nicely as our #4 and #5 bigs.

Who starts then? Dont tell me you think Dalembert will work starting and theres a chance the chemistry never even forms and we go on another slumping losing streak (Bass has chemistry with our starting unit dating back to last year he knows the Celtic's system). I think it'd be a big mistake.

Sully would start and play 30min a game, KG plays his 30, Dalembert gets 20, the last 16 are split between collins and wilcox based on matchup. The Cs are never left without length on the court.
Will the NBA also grant him a fouling exemption? Because he's on track to average close to 5.5 fouls in those 30 minutes that he'll supposedly be playing.
And he's maintained the same rate of fouling in January as his minutes have increased.

He has.  Although I think he has started to cut down on some of the dumb fouls, and has also started getting a little more leeway from some refs.  But he does still have a ways to go.

NBA Refs tend to catch on with good rookies / young players as the season makes it's way to the 2nd half. His foul rate will go down. Take a look at Larry Sanders. He didn't magically quit fouling every 60 seconds -- respect from the officials is a big part
Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: Chris on January 16, 2013, 12:30:18 PM
Quote
     think Bass needs to be traded. This has very little to do with how Bass has been playing. It has everything to do with our rotation. Sully at center and Bass at PF is very fare from ideal. As the season has progressed it is now become obvious that KG is still our #1 big and Sully has surpassed Bass as #2. For the #3 big we need more length and shot blocking than Bass can provide. Udoh or dalembert from the Bucks could fit this role. Wilcox and Collins fit very nicely as our #4 and #5 bigs.

Who starts then? Dont tell me you think Dalembert will work starting and theres a chance the chemistry never even forms and we go on another slumping losing streak (Bass has chemistry with our starting unit dating back to last year he knows the Celtic's system). I think it'd be a big mistake.

Sully would start and play 30min a game, KG plays his 30, Dalembert gets 20, the last 16 are split between collins and wilcox based on matchup. The Cs are never left without length on the court.
Will the NBA also grant him a fouling exemption? Because he's on track to average close to 5.5 fouls in those 30 minutes that he'll supposedly be playing.
And he's maintained the same rate of fouling in January as his minutes have increased.

He has.  Although I think he has started to cut down on some of the dumb fouls, and has also started getting a little more leeway from some refs.  But he does still have a ways to go.

NBA Refs tend to catch on with good rookies / young players as the season makes it's way to the 2nd half. His foul rate will go down. Take a look at Larry Sanders. He didn't magically quit fouling every 60 seconds -- respect from the officials is a big part

It makes a difference.  Although Sully still legitimately fouls way too much.  He needs to continue to get smarter about that. 
Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: ssspence on January 16, 2013, 03:27:06 PM
Quote
     think Bass needs to be traded. This has very little to do with how Bass has been playing. It has everything to do with our rotation. Sully at center and Bass at PF is very fare from ideal. As the season has progressed it is now become obvious that KG is still our #1 big and Sully has surpassed Bass as #2. For the #3 big we need more length and shot blocking than Bass can provide. Udoh or dalembert from the Bucks could fit this role. Wilcox and Collins fit very nicely as our #4 and #5 bigs.

Who starts then? Dont tell me you think Dalembert will work starting and theres a chance the chemistry never even forms and we go on another slumping losing streak (Bass has chemistry with our starting unit dating back to last year he knows the Celtic's system). I think it'd be a big mistake.

Sully would start and play 30min a game, KG plays his 30, Dalembert gets 20, the last 16 are split between collins and wilcox based on matchup. The Cs are never left without length on the court.
Will the NBA also grant him a fouling exemption? Because he's on track to average close to 5.5 fouls in those 30 minutes that he'll supposedly be playing.
And he's maintained the same rate of fouling in January as his minutes have increased.

He has.  Although I think he has started to cut down on some of the dumb fouls, and has also started getting a little more leeway from some refs.  But he does still have a ways to go.

NBA Refs tend to catch on with good rookies / young players as the season makes it's way to the 2nd half. His foul rate will go down. Take a look at Larry Sanders. He didn't magically quit fouling every 60 seconds -- respect from the officials is a big part

It makes a difference.  Although Sully still legitimately fouls way too much.  He needs to continue to get smarter about that.

Agreed -- not placing 100% blame, just that I expect both elements to improve.

With Sully getting more comfortable, I simply don't see what Craig Smith or DJ White couldn't do in 12-15 mins a game that Bass does (or doesn't do).

Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: crownontherocks on January 22, 2013, 01:07:47 PM
How do you feel about this trade, i know raptors are looking to dump bargs, he was rumored to go to lakers for gasol before he got hurt?

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=aqmftv6

I know bargs isnt the answer but could be nice getting ed davis
Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: ssspence on January 22, 2013, 01:33:56 PM
name of this thread should be updated to:

"Possible suitors for Bass? None."
Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: crownontherocks on January 22, 2013, 01:34:33 PM
name of this thread should be updated to:

"Possible suitors for Bass? None."

LoL
Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: Kane3387 on January 22, 2013, 01:40:29 PM
How do you feel about this trade, i know raptors are looking to dump bargs, he was rumored to go to lakers for gasol before he got hurt?

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=aqmftv6

I know bargs isnt the answer but could be nice getting ed davis

Would do it in a second, if, I knew we could get a comparable SF to replace Green. Ed Davis is likely not walking through that door. He would definitely start next to KG though.

I guess we would look to move Bargs for a SF?  Doesn't seem like much of a market is out there for him.
Title: Do You Think Brandon Bass Will Be Traded This Mid-Season? Which Team Needs A PF?
Post by: krook on February 05, 2013, 04:20:05 AM
Will He Be Traded Or Not
Title: Re: Do You Think Brandon Bass Will Be Traded This Mid-Season? Do You Sense It?
Post by: fitzhickey on February 05, 2013, 04:26:48 AM
I think he will, but for who I don't know
Title: Re: Do You Think Brandon Bass Will Be Traded This Mid-Season? Do You Sense It?
Post by: krook on February 05, 2013, 04:27:26 AM
I think he will, but for who I don't know

any teams that need a POWER FORWARD?
Title: Re: Do You Think Brandon Bass Will Be Traded This Mid-Season? Which Team Needs A PF?
Post by: krook on February 05, 2013, 04:29:27 AM
houston?
denver?
bobcats?
Minnesota?
new orleans?
Title: Re: Do You Think Brandon Bass Will Be Traded This Mid-Season? Which Team Needs A PF?
Post by: Who on February 05, 2013, 11:17:02 AM
Nope. Bass' ontract is too cumbersome. The odds of finding a deal without taking a talent downgrade are very slim.
Title: Re: Do You Think Brandon Bass Will Be Traded This Mid-Season? Which Team Needs A PF?
Post by: pearljammer10 on February 05, 2013, 11:31:13 AM
I think he has to be the most heavily shopped but his season hasn't panned out. Unless we take back a contract just as bad I dont see why anyone would want Bass. He has played himself out of value.
Title: Re: Do You Think Brandon Bass Will Be Traded This Mid-Season? Which Team Needs A PF?
Post by: Evantime34 on February 05, 2013, 11:41:44 AM
Nope. Bass' ontract is too cumbersome. The odds of finding a deal without taking a talent downgrade are very slim.
Agreed.
For those who think they will hit me with some trades.
Title: Re: Do You Think Brandon Bass Will Be Traded This Mid-Season? Which Team Needs A PF?
Post by: sofutomygaha on February 05, 2013, 11:44:25 AM
I doubt that Bass will be the centerpiece of any deal, but that doesn't mean he won't be part of a salary cap equation.
Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on February 05, 2013, 12:11:19 PM
I still think Houston could use him but Bass has rly hurt his trade value. Also with Bass if you trade him you need to get back at least an equal big because Boston is so thin up front.

My realistic dream scenario is still Sammy D. He would surely get a lot of minutes and I'd be so happy to actually put somebody with real length and defensive ability next to KG. Also, his per 36 are very impressive:

13.3 points
11.8 rebounds
3.2 blocks
Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: Lucky17 on February 05, 2013, 12:20:16 PM
I still think Houston could use him but Bass has rly hurt his trade value. Also with Bass if you trade him you need to get back at least an equal big because Boston is so thin up front.

My realistic dream scenario is still Sammy D. He would surely get a lot of minutes and I'd be so happy to actually put somebody with real length and defensive ability next to KG. Also, his per 36 are very impressive:

13.3 points
11.8 rebounds
3.2 blocks

I don't see Milwaukee trading an expiring deal for Bass given the length of his contract and his position (they are deep with bigs already).
Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on February 05, 2013, 01:30:51 PM
I still think Houston could use him but Bass has rly hurt his trade value. Also with Bass if you trade him you need to get back at least an equal big because Boston is so thin up front.

My realistic dream scenario is still Sammy D. He would surely get a lot of minutes and I'd be so happy to actually put somebody with real length and defensive ability next to KG. Also, his per 36 are very impressive:

13.3 points
11.8 rebounds
3.2 blocks

I don't see Milwaukee trading an expiring deal for Bass given the length of his contract and his position (they are deep with bigs already).

Yea no way they do it I went off track a little there lol

But maybe a three way? Hou/mil/bos
Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on February 05, 2013, 02:52:43 PM
this guy?
(http://www.nighthawkpublications.com/images/2010/19/14.jpg)

Seriously speaking though, it'll be hard to trade him just by himself. His contract and his dismal season makes it so. He has to be packaged with someone or a pick, otherwise I don't think Danny can move him.
Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: Lucky17 on February 05, 2013, 03:14:42 PM
Maybe Charlotte? They need some talent there. They have Diop's expiring contract to match.

Don't know if the Celtics could squeeze a 1st rounder (CHA has rights to Detroit and Portland 2013 protected 1sts) out of it as well. Might be too much to ask for.
Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 05, 2013, 03:45:41 PM
Only us and maybe a jump shooting team,, but Miami don't need Bass lol

No rebuilding team or contending team needs him, and middle-teams don't need him.

May a team like Utah who needs some jump shooters..

Jefferson for Bass? LOL
Title: Re: Possible suitor for Bass?
Post by: krook on February 07, 2013, 10:58:17 AM
Only us and maybe a jump shooting team,, but Miami don't need Bass lol

No rebuilding team or contending team needs him, and middle-teams don't need him.

May a team like Utah who needs some jump shooters..

Jefferson for Bass? LOL

of there is, a way 3 team trade
Title: Re: Do You Think Brandon Bass Will Be Traded This Mid-Season? Do You Sense It?
Post by: celticslove on February 07, 2013, 11:26:23 AM
I think he will, but for who I don't know

any teams that need a POWER FORWARD?
more of a SOFT forward. hope someone dumb enough will take him.