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Title: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: Change on January 09, 2013, 10:18:29 AM
Rumor has it Kings have been sold to Seattle group.

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Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: indeedproceed on January 09, 2013, 10:19:37 AM
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Supersonics?
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: Edgar on January 09, 2013, 10:20:11 AM
Source?

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Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: Roy H. on January 09, 2013, 10:20:12 AM
Yes.  Tyreke isn't an ideal point guard, but I think our offense would be okay with a further increase on team-wide ball movement.  I'd probably try to move Tyreke for a guy like Mike Conley / Kyle Lowry, but it's just too much talent coming back to pass up.
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: alajet on January 09, 2013, 10:21:09 AM
It would have been sad to see. KJ has definitely done his best to keep NBA at Sacramento.

For the trade, I'd do it. We get a good replacement for Rondo and a talented big man. Evans isn't Rondo, but he could score, also in a potential Rondo trade, he is one of the best PGs we could get.
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: Edgar on January 09, 2013, 10:21:38 AM
Just remember Doc rotation problems.

The least players the better.

 :)
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: Eddie20 on January 09, 2013, 10:21:59 AM
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Supersonics?

I'm guessing the word is they plan on relocating.

I would do that deal in a heartbeat. That a great return. Evans and Bradley compliment each other well, as do KG and Cousins.
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: Birdman on January 09, 2013, 10:23:33 AM
Hate to see Kings leave Sacramento..Virginia Beach has turn them down
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: Eddie20 on January 09, 2013, 10:24:26 AM
The rumor:


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Are the Sacramento Kings on their way to Seattle? The rumors were flying Wednesday morning.
The buzz started about midnight with a single tweet. "So I hear that the Seattle Kings is officially a done deal! The Maloofs finally sold the ailing Sacramento team." It was written by Daina Falk, a cookbook writer and foodie, who has since removed the Tweet from her page.

She is also a sports insider of sorts. Her father is David Falk, the pro sports super agent.

Falk followed up her first tweet with another saying she heard it from a friend.

The Kings aren't commenting. Neither is investor Chris Hansen.

What we do know for sure is the other city trying hard to get the Kings is out of the running for now. Virginia Beach, Virginia, couldn't reach a deal yesterday to get public financing for a new arena so that means the team is still available.

The deadline for asking the NBA to relocate in time for next season is March 1.
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: Change on January 09, 2013, 10:24:57 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/KZpfX.png)

http://i.imgur.com/KZpfX.png

Supersonics?

Yep, it seems like Maloofs are finally selling the Kings. Seattle group is the rumored buyer.
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: alajet on January 09, 2013, 10:25:47 AM
The rumor:


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Are the Sacramento Kings on their way to Seattle? The rumors were flying Wednesday morning.
The buzz started about midnight with a single tweet. "So I hear that the Seattle Kings is officially a done deal! The Maloofs finally sold the ailing Sacramento team." It was written by Daina Falk, a cookbook writer and foodie, who has since removed the Tweet from her page.

She is also a sports insider of sorts. Her father is David Falk, the pro sports super agent.

Falk followed up her first tweet with another saying she heard it from a friend.

The Kings aren't commenting. Neither is investor Chris Hansen.

What we do know for sure is the other city trying hard to get the Kings is out of the running for now. Virginia Beach, Virginia, couldn't reach a deal yesterday to get public financing for a new arena so that means the team is still available.

The deadline for asking the NBA to relocate in time for next season is March 1.

I always loved the Supersonics in Seattle. Same goes for the Kings in Sacramento. It would be weird to see teams getting mixed.
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: Birdman on January 09, 2013, 10:26:02 AM
Maloofs wants Las Vegas
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: CelticG1 on January 09, 2013, 10:28:58 AM
Haven't watched Evans enough to really say I guess.

Inclined to say no because its more of a move for the future (much more imo )

Rondo is an absolute superstar in the playoffs generally being top 3of playoff performer. You need a superstar in the playoffs like that. Tyree and Cousins have never played in a playoff game(not to mention they aren't earth shaterring in the regular season either).
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: Eddie20 on January 09, 2013, 10:29:08 AM
Maloofs wants Las Vegas

They could want Abu Dhabi too, but if they sold the team their opinion matters as much as mine.
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: PhoSita on January 09, 2013, 10:29:23 AM
Yes.  Tyreke isn't an ideal point guard, but I think our offense would be okay with a further increase on team-wide ball movement.  I'd probably try to move Tyreke for a guy like Mike Conley / Kyle Lowry, but it's just too much talent coming back to pass up.

Agreed, I'd prefer somebody like Conley (who isn't going anywhere) or Lowry over Evans.  If you bring in Cousins, you need to have a point guard who can reliably get him the ball.

Also Evans is an awful shooter.  Worse than Rondo.
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: Eddie20 on January 09, 2013, 10:31:53 AM
Haven't watched Evans enough to really say I guess.

Inclined to say no because its more of a move for the future (much more imo )

Rondo is an absolute superstar in the playoffs generally being top 3of playoff performer. You need a superstar in the playoffs like that. Tyree and Cousins have never played in a playoff game(not to mention they aren't earth shaterring in the regular season either).

The team makes us better now and going forward as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzOGDBhClAY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzOGDBhClAY)

Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: CoachBo on January 09, 2013, 10:43:39 AM
Yes.  Tyreke isn't an ideal point guard, but I think our offense would be okay with a further increase on team-wide ball movement.  I'd probably try to move Tyreke for a guy like Mike Conley / Kyle Lowry, but it's just too much talent coming back to pass up.

Co-sign. Easy yes vote here.
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: Snakehead on January 09, 2013, 10:45:07 AM
Bothers me to hear people just bury Sacramento so freely.   Feel really bad for a great but long suffering fan base.
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: Eddie20 on January 09, 2013, 10:46:48 AM
Yes.  Tyreke isn't an ideal point guard, but I think our offense would be okay with a further increase on team-wide ball movement.  I'd probably try to move Tyreke for a guy like Mike Conley / Kyle Lowry, but it's just too much talent coming back to pass up.

I just like how Bradley could cover 1's on defense and Tyreke could be more of the ball handler on offense. Plus, it would make us pretty big in the backcourt and help us matchup better vs teams with bigger 2 guards.

Doesn't this trade also give us back the Bi-Annual Exception? Since we're taking less cap space in, and we won't be paying luxury tax, couldn't we use the BAE, or the prorated portion, to lure a player when the buyouts start occurring?
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: Change on January 09, 2013, 10:47:04 AM
Yes.  Tyreke isn't an ideal point guard, but I think our offense would be okay with a further increase on team-wide ball movement.  I'd probably try to move Tyreke for a guy like Mike Conley / Kyle Lowry, but it's just too much talent coming back to pass up.

Its feasible Celtics work a three way trade sending Tyreke to Toronto for Lowry. But I'm not convinced Ainge would do such a thing. He was really high on Evans coming into the draft. Evans isn't ideal point guard, but he is ideal backcourt mate for Avery. A big guard allowing Avery, undersized two guard, defend point guard full time.
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: Cman on January 09, 2013, 10:58:46 AM
Hate to see Kings leave Sacramento.

Yes, I agree, but I'm also really happy that Seattle gets a team back.
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: Kane3387 on January 09, 2013, 11:02:29 AM
A core now of DMC, KG, Pierce, Avery, and Tyreke would be sick defensively. Offensively I think it would be a work in progress, but AB really plays off the ball well and KG is so unselfish that along with Pierce's IQ, I think it really ends up working. Not to mention Sully, Green, and Terry off the bench. This team on paper looks as dynamic as any in the NBA.

Then again on paper doesn't mean anything. Just look at the Lakers.

A future core of DMC, Sully, Green, Avery, and Tyreke definitely seems like it has the talent to compete for future titles for years to come.

I love Rondo and there aren't many trades out there that I would move him for, but this is one of them. I think I would ask for Isaiah Thomas as well just to have a true PG on the team.
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: raynman on January 09, 2013, 11:06:21 AM
I liked Tyreke but he just had a knee surgery, so let's stay away from him ..
If the Kings will really be sold, I see Cousins dealt to LA for Jordan Hill and Sacre then the Kings will be 'rewarded' with a top two pick in June.. (Stern will flip a coin to decide the order of the 1st and 2nd picks between them and the Magic! )
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: Change on January 09, 2013, 11:12:50 AM
I liked Tyreke but he just had a knee surgery, so let's stay away from him.

No, he didn't. Tyreke had a knee bruise that didn't require surgery.

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If the Kings will really be sold, I see Cousins dealt to LA for Jordan Hill and Sacre then the Kings will be 'rewarded' with a top two pick in June.. (Stern will flip a coin to decide the order of the 1st and 2nd picks between them and the Magic! )

Cousins to the Lakers for Hill and Sacre.  :o Have you gone mad? Or are you Lakers fan? But really though when it comes to the Lakers a crazy trade like that isn't out of question.
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: Vermont Green on January 09, 2013, 11:14:57 AM
I think that is an easy yes for the Celtics and I suspect Daniel Ainge would jump at the dea.  But I think Sac/Sea could do better and it would surprise the heck out of me if they ever did this deal (but stranger things have happened).
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: AB_Celtic on January 09, 2013, 11:16:44 AM
Yes.  Tyreke isn't an ideal point guard, but I think our offense would be okay with a further increase on team-wide ball movement.  I'd probably try to move Tyreke for a guy like Mike Conley / Kyle Lowry, but it's just too much talent coming back to pass up.

Love Conley. Super underrated.
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: kozlodoev on January 09, 2013, 11:36:34 AM
Evans and Cousins, two basket cases wrapped in one neat little package. However, I agree this is too much talent to pass on.
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: Who on January 09, 2013, 11:47:03 AM
No deal. It is very tempting though.
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: pearljammer10 on January 09, 2013, 11:58:20 AM
God am I torn on this one. Rondo makes this team go, but being able to Cousins and Evans would be huge. I hate Evans though but he does give us an intriguing prospect for trade as well an a bigger match for Bradley to be paired with... Lets see, which line up is better?
                   
Rondo/Terry                      Evans/Terry
Bradley/Lee                      Bradley/Lee
Pierce/Green                     Pierce/Green
Bass/Sully                       KG/Bass/Sully
KG/Wilcox                        Cousins/Wilcox

Thats a pretty bad ass team with too much depth, yet again, and no realy point guard to run the offense. I would only be interested in a three team deal in which we get a serviceable point guard. I think I have to say no to it... Rondo is just too important. Or do I. I dont know!
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: PhoSita on January 09, 2013, 12:01:48 PM
Bothers me to hear people just bury Sacramento so freely.   Feel really bad for a great but long suffering fan base.

Honestly I won't feel that bad for them if the team does move to Seattle.  The city of Sacramento probably isn't big enough or strong enough economically to really support a professional basketball team like the Kings.  In Seattle they can have a better arena and stronger support.  On top of that, Seattle is close enough to northern CA that Kings fans can still support the team even if it's gone to Seattle.

Seattle fans are just as deserving of a team.  Theirs was stolen from them even though they supported it for many many years.  It would be a rough transition, but I think it'd be a good thing if the old Supersonics fans the current Kings fans came together to support the new Seattle [insert name here]s.
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: pearljammer10 on January 09, 2013, 12:04:05 PM
Bothers me to hear people just bury Sacramento so freely.   Feel really bad for a great but long suffering fan base.

Honestly I won't feel that bad for them if the team does move to Seattle.  The city of Sacramento probably isn't big enough or strong enough economically to really support a professional basketball team like the Kings.  In Seattle they can have a better arena and stronger support.  On top of that, Seattle is close enough to northern CA that Kings fans can still support the team even if it's gone to Seattle.

Seattle fans are just as deserving of a team.  Theirs was stolen from them even though they supported it for many many years.  It would be a rough transition, but I think it'd be a good thing if the old Supersonics fans the current Kings fans came together to support the new Seattle [insert name here]s.

I would love to see an NBA team back in Seattle. Would be very strange to see them leave Sacramento though. I hope if they do move back to Seattle they go back to the Supersonics. Would be a classic move.
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: eugen on January 09, 2013, 12:12:24 PM
Deal
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: KGs Knee on January 09, 2013, 12:17:59 PM
Deal

No deal
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: rocknrollforyoursoul on January 09, 2013, 12:40:16 PM
Feel really bad for a great but long suffering fan base.

Same here. We're so fortunate to be fans of a stable franchise, and the greatest one in history, at that.

If I had my druthers, there'd be some serious restructuring of the NBA landscape—Sacramento would keep the Kings, Seattle would get the Sonics back, and there'd be no teams in Charlotte, Toronto, or Orlando. I might even scrap one of the three Texas teams, and Memphis.
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: slamtheking on January 09, 2013, 12:46:07 PM
Hate to see Kings leave Sacramento..Virginia Beach has turn them down
hated to see them leave Kansas City.
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: Snakehead on January 09, 2013, 12:51:23 PM
Bothers me to hear people just bury Sacramento so freely.   Feel really bad for a great but long suffering fan base.

Honestly I won't feel that bad for them if the team does move to Seattle.  The city of Sacramento probably isn't big enough or strong enough economically to really support a professional basketball team like the Kings.  In Seattle they can have a better arena and stronger support.  On top of that, Seattle is close enough to northern CA that Kings fans can still support the team even if it's gone to Seattle.

Seattle fans are just as deserving of a team.  Theirs was stolen from them even though they supported it for many many years.  It would be a rough transition, but I think it'd be a good thing if the old Supersonics fans the current Kings fans came together to support the new Seattle [insert name here]s.

Sacramento can support a team for sure.  They have.  Really, if I have any way I don't feel bad, it's that the management and ownsership sucks and they just make so many bad choices.  Hard to defend that.  WHy does Pietre still have that job?  Sacramento has a great fan base though.

I feel bad for Seattle as well and would love the SOnics back, but to get them back by taking the Kings... I'd feel dirty as a Seattle fan.  But oh well.

Part of it that is hard is that you can go back through history and see so many teams "stolen" from another city.
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: Change on January 09, 2013, 12:54:44 PM
Hate to see Kings leave Sacramento..Virginia Beach has turn them down
hated to see them leave Kansas City.
Hated to see them leave Cincinnati.
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: slamtheking on January 09, 2013, 12:58:20 PM
Hate to see Kings leave Sacramento..Virginia Beach has turn them down
hated to see them leave Kansas City.
Hated to see them leave Cincinnati.
touche (but before my time  ;D )
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: Change on January 09, 2013, 01:06:58 PM
Hate to see Kings leave Sacramento..Virginia Beach has turn them down
hated to see them leave Kansas City.
Hated to see them leave Cincinnati.
touche (but before my time  ;D )
I know. I was playing along. But you know what people of Rochester got shafted the most. There wouldn't be Kings franchise if it weren't for them.
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: Lucky17 on January 09, 2013, 01:29:27 PM
I posted this in another thread, but it's much more relevant to this discussion:

http://www.thenewstribune.com/2013/01/09/2429127/sacramento-kings-official-denies.html

Rumor called "inaccurate" (note: not "false") by team spokesman.
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: slamtheking on January 09, 2013, 01:34:23 PM
Hate to see Kings leave Sacramento..Virginia Beach has turn them down
hated to see them leave Kansas City.
Hated to see them leave Cincinnati.
touche (but before my time  ;D )
I know. I was playing along. But you know what people of Rochester got shafted the most. There wouldn't be Kings franchise if it weren't for them.
very true.  surprised Rochester was ever able to support a major-league pro franchise in any sport
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: jbaerg on January 09, 2013, 01:43:23 PM
Adrian Wojnarowski‏@WojYahooNBA

 The Maloofs are finalizing an agreement to sell the Sacramento Kings to the Hansen-Ballmer led Seattle group, sources tell Yahoo! Sports.
 
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: Change on January 09, 2013, 01:46:06 PM
Adrian Wojnarowski‏@WojYahooNBA

 The Maloofs are finalizing an agreement to sell the Sacramento Kings to the Hansen-Ballmer led Seattle group, sources tell Yahoo! Sports.

wow the Supersonics are BACK
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: celticinorlando on January 09, 2013, 01:48:27 PM
Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA
The deal will sell the Kings for approximately $500 million, with the Seattle group seeking relocation to Key Arena for the 2013-'14 season.
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Post by: celticinorlando on January 09, 2013, 01:49:20 PM
Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA
The Seattle group's plans, with support of the NBA, is to play two seasons in Key Arena before moving into a new Seattle arena, sources say.
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: Lucky17 on January 09, 2013, 01:53:48 PM
Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA
The Seattle group's plans, with support of the NBA, is to play two seasons in Key Arena before moving into a new Seattle arena, sources say.

This is the same arena that Stern called completely inadequate for the Sonics when they were last in Seattle. But, as long as a new arena is in the process of being built, it's fine for a 2-year stint, apparently.
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Post by: Change on January 09, 2013, 01:56:51 PM
Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA
The Seattle group's plans, with support of the NBA, is to play two seasons in Key Arena before moving into a new Seattle arena, sources say.

This is the same arena that Stern called completely inadequate for the Sonics when they were last in Seattle. But, as long as a new arena is in the process of being built, it's fine for a 2-year stint, apparently.

What other alternatives there is? Better than being lame duck in Sacramento.
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Post by: crownontherocks on January 09, 2013, 01:59:12 PM

The Maloof brothers are "finalizing an agreement" to sell the Kings to the Hansen-Balmer led Seattle group, sources told Yahoo! Sports.
Wow. The Maloof family appears ready to rip the hearts out of Sacramento Kings fans on their way out the door. This isn't the last we've heard of this story, and it will be interesting to see the details of the agreement when they're released. Rotoworld's own Aaron Bruski is the man to follow for all things Kings related.

Source: Adrian Wojnarowski on Twitter Jan



Sorry didnt see jbaerg posted this
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: Lucky17 on January 09, 2013, 01:59:24 PM
Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA
The Seattle group's plans, with support of the NBA, is to play two seasons in Key Arena before moving into a new Seattle arena, sources say.

This is the same arena that Stern called completely inadequate for the Sonics when they were last in Seattle. But, as long as a new arena is in the process of being built, it's fine for a 2-year stint, apparently.

What other alternatives there is? Better than being lame duck in Sacramento.

I think it points even more to how underhanded Stern was in yanking the Sonics out of Seattle so his buddy Clay Bennett could have a team in OKC.
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Post by: Change on January 09, 2013, 02:03:13 PM
Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA
The Seattle group's plans, with support of the NBA, is to play two seasons in Key Arena before moving into a new Seattle arena, sources say.

This is the same arena that Stern called completely inadequate for the Sonics when they were last in Seattle. But, as long as a new arena is in the process of being built, it's fine for a 2-year stint, apparently.

What other alternatives there is? Better than being lame duck in Sacramento.

I think it points even more to how underhanded Stern was in yanking the Sonics out of Seattle so his buddy Clay Bennett could have a team in OKC.

OKC have been great for the league. You are correct about David Stern. He is a crook no doubt it.
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Post by: Snakehead on January 09, 2013, 02:03:39 PM
Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA
The Seattle group's plans, with support of the NBA, is to play two seasons in Key Arena before moving into a new Seattle arena, sources say.

This is the same arena that Stern called completely inadequate for the Sonics when they were last in Seattle. But, as long as a new arena is in the process of being built, it's fine for a 2-year stint, apparently.

What other alternatives there is? Better than being lame duck in Sacramento.

Lame duck huh?

Blame the owners and management, not the city.  The city has shown they will support a quality product.
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Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on January 09, 2013, 02:07:31 PM
Hate to see SacTo not having a team. That fan base was very solid.

On the flip side though, so are the Sonic's fan base. At least it'll go back to Seattle.
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Post by: Snakehead on January 09, 2013, 02:17:55 PM
Hate to see SacTo not having a team. That fan base was very solid.

On the flip side though, so are the Sonic's fan base. At least it'll go back to Seattle.

Yeah if it had to happen this is the best destination.

I just hope they keep the Sonics name.
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: crownontherocks on January 09, 2013, 02:22:01 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/boogiecousins/status/289079554230857730

Cousins twitter says wow.   wow their moving ?  or get me out of here wow
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Post by: Chris on January 09, 2013, 02:22:08 PM
Hate to see SacTo not having a team. That fan base was very solid.

On the flip side though, so are the Sonic's fan base. At least it'll go back to Seattle.

Yeah if it had to happen this is the best destination.

I just hope they keep the Sonics name.

I think that was part of the deal when the Sonics originally left.  They had to change their name, because the Sonics name was staying in Seattle for whenever the new franchise arrived. 
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: Chris on January 09, 2013, 02:23:01 PM

https://mobile.twitter.com/boogiecousins/status/289079554230857730

Cousins twitter says wow.  A good wow their moving ?  or **** get me out of here wow

My guess is it is about the team being sold. 
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: Snakehead on January 09, 2013, 02:24:17 PM

https://mobile.twitter.com/boogiecousins/status/289079554230857730

Cousins twitter says wow.  A good wow their moving ?  or **** get me out of here wow

"Wow" that it happened.  I'm kind of connected in on it because I listen to a Sacramento radio show every day on a sports station and literally they've been talking about the Kings moving and the ownership mess for two years straight and there have been like 5 times where it was thought they were actually moving just like this.

I'm sure it's surreal to actually see it happening.


Hate to see SacTo not having a team. That fan base was very solid.

On the flip side though, so are the Sonic's fan base. At least it'll go back to Seattle.

Yeah if it had to happen this is the best destination.

I just hope they keep the Sonics name.

I think that was part of the deal when the Sonics originally left.  They had to change their name, because the Sonics name was staying in Seattle for whenever the new franchise arrived. 

That's good then.
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: wiley on January 09, 2013, 02:34:31 PM
No deal as it is. 

If a pure PG came to us as well, then I might do it.  Can Tyreke even stay healthy?
What's his longest stretch of play without missing games due to injury?
How's his ball handling?

Miami's defense is too good in the playoffs for a team without
a great ball handler who can deal with big time pressure.

As for Cousins that would be a great snag for the future.  He'd surely do
some great things this year, but he could also do a bunch of non-vet things too.

I still have hopes for a title this year.  We need to resurrect a big
along the lines of Sam Dalembert.

Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: alajet on January 09, 2013, 02:54:26 PM
No deal as it is. 

If a pure PG came to us as well, then I might do it.  Can Tyreke even stay healthy?
What's his longest stretch of play without missing games due to injury?
How's his ball handling?

Miami's defense is too good in the playoffs for a team without
a great ball handler who can deal with big time pressure.

As for Cousins that would be a great snag for the future.  He'd surely do
some great things this year, but he could also do a bunch of non-vet things too.

I still have hopes for a title this year.  We need to resurrect a big
along the lines of Sam Dalembert.

He played 72 games in his rookie season, and 63 out of 66 in the last one. I think this is good enough not to label him as injury-prone.
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: LarBrd33 on January 09, 2013, 03:18:20 PM
WooOOOO hOooOOO...

As someone living in Seattle I'm thrilled about the Sonics coming back.  I miss going to games.... especially the annual Celtics game. 

I think Key Arena is a fine temporary venue.  It's small, but I think the main issue was the lease.  They'll probably work up a temporary one.  Probably will not sell out many games anyways. 

There's still no chance that the Kings/Sonics trade us Cousins for our benchwarmers.  I keep saying we'd have to offer them Rondo for them even to talk to us... but that's not to say I actually think a Cousins for Rondo deal is at all likely.  It's not.

That said, I really can't see the Sonics NOT trading Cousins prior to next season.  I just can't see them avoiding it.  Most people out here are still on the fence about the NBA.. if they aren't still claiming they are going to outright boycott it.  Many of them are bitter and haven't watched a single game since the SOnics were stolen... and point to any little "issue" as being why they "don't miss the NBA".  The last thing that team needs is their best player to be a wildcard... temper tantrums and trade demands.  It could sink the whole marketing effort... because you KNOW that the first thing that Seattle group is going to have to do is repair the fan relationship with the league.  Cousins can't possibly fit into that.  I think Cousins has a great future ahead of him... a Rasheed/Zach Randolph type of headcase who eventually ends up the best player on a good team... but him playing in Seattle is way too risky for that ownership group. 

Still... my bet would be that he gets traded in the offseason... probably for a high lotto pick or something... not traded to the Celtics
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: lon3lytoaster on January 09, 2013, 03:20:19 PM
So uhm. Does Hansen like Cousins, then? Were the Maloofs trying to showcase the team for this sale when they demanded he be reinstated from his suspension? Obviously this deal didn't just come to fruition over night.

Kind of crossing my fingers the Kings have a fire sale now.
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: ssspence on January 09, 2013, 03:37:22 PM
Yes.  Tyreke isn't an ideal point guard, but I think our offense would be okay with a further increase on team-wide ball movement.  I'd probably try to move Tyreke for a guy like Mike Conley / Kyle Lowry, but it's just too much talent coming back to pass up.

Agree. Bradley and Evans could be really tough next to each other, particularly if Avery continues to be an above average long 2 / 3 point shooter.

I also doubt Evans will get big offers as an RFA this summer, meaning the Cs could retain him for reasonable money.
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: Lucky17 on January 09, 2013, 03:40:59 PM
That said, I really can't see the Sonics NOT trading Cousins prior to next season.  I just can't see them avoiding it.  Most people out here are still on the fence about the NBA.. if they aren't still claiming they are going to outright boycott it.  Many of them are bitter and haven't watched a single game since the SOnics were stolen... and point to any little "issue" as being why they "don't miss the NBA".  The last thing that team needs is their best player to be a wildcard... temper tantrums and trade demands.  It could sink the whole marketing effort... because you KNOW that the first thing that Seattle group is going to have to do is repair the fan relationship with the league.  Cousins can't possibly fit into that.  I think Cousins has a great future ahead of him... a Rasheed/Zach Randolph type of headcase who eventually ends up the best player on a good team... but him playing in Seattle is way too risky for that ownership group. 

Still... my bet would be that he gets traded in the offseason... probably for a high lotto pick or something... not traded to the Celtics

I do think that, if ownership is finalized before the trading deadline, there could be some moves to either trim payroll (save the new owners some dough; they just laid out $500 million) and/or to overhaul that roster to produce a team that Seattle might get excited about.

Is Cousins a "Seattle" guy? Tyreke Evans? Jimmer? I don't know.

If money isn't a concern, perhaps you'll see the Kings make a play for Rudy Gay. A Gay/Tyreke/Cousins combination would make for some exciting/combustible basketball.
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: Change on January 09, 2013, 03:46:19 PM
WooOOOO hOooOOO...

As someone living in Seattle I'm thrilled about the Sonics coming back.  I miss going to games.... especially the annual Celtics game. 

I think Key Arena is a fine temporary venue.  It's small, but I think the main issue was the lease.  They'll probably work up a temporary one.  Probably will not sell out many games anyways. 

There's still no chance that the Kings/Sonics trade us Cousins for our benchwarmers.  I keep saying we'd have to offer them Rondo for them even to talk to us... but that's not to say I actually think a Cousins for Rondo deal is at all likely.  It's not.

That said, I really can't see the Sonics NOT trading Cousins prior to next season.  I just can't see them avoiding it.  Most people out here are still on the fence about the NBA.. if they aren't still claiming they are going to outright boycott it.  Many of them are bitter and haven't watched a single game since the SOnics were stolen... and point to any little "issue" as being why they "don't miss the NBA".  The last thing that team needs is their best player to be a wildcard... temper tantrums and trade demands.  It could sink the whole marketing effort... because you KNOW that the first thing that Seattle group is going to have to do is repair the fan relationship with the league.  Cousins can't possibly fit into that.  I think Cousins has a great future ahead of him... a Rasheed/Zach Randolph type of headcase who eventually ends up the best player on a good team... but him playing in Seattle is way too risky for that ownership group. 

Still... my bet would be that he gets traded in the offseason... probably for a high lotto pick or something... not traded to the Celtics

Bill Simmons ‏@BillSimmons
Within 10 months, Seattle might have Russell Wilson, the Sonics and legalized marijuana. I'm putting my house on the market.



2013 will be a year to remember for Seattle. Congrats!
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: Lucky17 on January 09, 2013, 03:51:33 PM
Bill Simmons ‏@BillSimmons
Within 10 months, Seattle might have Russell Wilson, the Sonics and legalized marijuana. I'm putting my house on the market.



2013 will be a year to remember for Seattle. Congrats!

Forgot all about WA legalizing. That adds a completely new spin on things.

Will the new arena be dubbed "The Hotbox?"
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: LarBrd33 on January 09, 2013, 04:06:06 PM
Bill Simmons ‏@BillSimmons
Within 10 months, Seattle might have Russell Wilson, the Sonics and legalized marijuana. I'm putting my house on the market.



2013 will be a year to remember for Seattle. Congrats!

Forgot all about WA legalizing. That adds a completely new spin on things.

Will the new arena be dubbed "The Hotbox?"
Perfect... And then we can have gay marriages as halftime entertainment
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: CelticG1 on January 09, 2013, 04:29:10 PM

Kind of crossing my fingers the Kings have a fire sale now.

Bad quality but I had to:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHs9Rf7L8_U&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: jambr380 on January 09, 2013, 04:57:58 PM
Bothers me to hear people just bury Sacramento so freely.   Feel really bad for a great but long suffering fan base.

Honestly I won't feel that bad for them if the team does move to Seattle.  The city of Sacramento probably isn't big enough or strong enough economically to really support a professional basketball team like the Kings.  In Seattle they can have a better arena and stronger support.  On top of that, Seattle is close enough to northern CA that Kings fans can still support the team even if it's gone to Seattle.

Seattle fans are just as deserving of a team.  Theirs was stolen from them even though they supported it for many many years.  It would be a rough transition, but I think it'd be a good thing if the old Supersonics fans the current Kings fans came together to support the new Seattle [insert name here]s.

I would love to see an NBA team back in Seattle. Would be very strange to see them leave Sacramento though. I hope if they do move back to Seattle they go back to the Supersonics. Would be a classic move.

Yes to the deal. I hate to think of life without Rondo, but that is a lot of talent coming back and an elite center [what Cousins should be] is more important than an elite pg. It really would change the face of this team, though...

But NO NO NO to them changing their name to the Sonics. Charlotte wants to do this with the Hornets and Cleveland already did this with the Browns. These franchises are not their predecessors and it really just muddies up the histories - Would Shawn Kemp, Gary Payton, Detlef Schrempf, etc be a part of what is now the Thunder or the former Kings? It just rubs me the wrong way!
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: ejk3489 on January 09, 2013, 04:58:41 PM
If you're doing this deal for the future it has potential to be a good move, but for the present roster it would make this season a complete wash.

After what the Celtics have shown over the last three games I'm not sure I want to give that up just yet, and moving Rondo would be the end of our Championship hopes (however small) this year.
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: fairweatherfan on January 09, 2013, 05:01:51 PM
But NO NO NO to them changing their name to the Sonics. Charlotte wants to do this with the Hornets and Cleveland already did this with the Browns. These franchises are not their predecessors and it really just muddies up the histories - Would Shawn Kemp, Gary Payton, Detlef Schrempf, etc be a part of what is now the Thunder or the former Kings? It just rubs me the wrong way!

The real question is, when are the former Kings finally gonna hang the 1951 Rochester Royals championship banner? 
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: PhoSita on January 09, 2013, 05:04:01 PM
I'm with Larry on this one.  From the perspective of the new ownership of the Kings / Supersonics, it makes sense to hold onto DMC until around the time of the draft, and then try to trade him to a team with a top 2-3 pick. 

That gets you a new player with lots of "potential" to market as the fresh face of the franchise to a new, excited but understandably leery fanbase.

If you're a team like, say, the Cavs, wouldn't you trade a top 3 pick that would get you Nerlens Noel or Shabazz Mohammed for a more established talent like Demarcus Cousins?  That's exactly the sort of situation Demarcus needs -- a team where he can be one of the main guys, but not THE main guy.  The franchise is already committed to Irving and Byron Scott.  Demarcus would come in knowing he's important to the team, but he's not the most important guy on the roster, or the most talented.
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: Smutzy#9 on January 09, 2013, 05:41:18 PM
I'm with Larry on this one.  From the perspective of the new ownership of the Kings / Supersonics, it makes sense to hold onto DMC until around the time of the draft, and then try to trade him to a team with a top 2-3 pick. 

That gets you a new player with lots of "potential" to market as the fresh face of the franchise to a new, excited but understandably leery fanbase.

If you're a team like, say, the Cavs, wouldn't you trade a top 3 pick that would get you Nerlens Noel or Shabazz Mohammed for a more established talent like Demarcus Cousins?  That's exactly the sort of situation Demarcus needs -- a team where he can be one of the main guys, but not THE main guy.  The franchise is already committed to Irving and Byron Scott.  Demarcus would come in knowing he's important to the team, but he's not the most important guy on the roster, or the most talented.

Kyrie Irving Run DMC and Dion Waiters....... scary in 2-4 years
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: 2short on January 09, 2013, 05:58:24 PM
I'm a big fan of having character guys on team.  Young mr rondo is a leader, plays injured and doesn't complain , does whatever it takes to win and seems to do what is best for the team.
Does cousins fall into ANY of those categories?
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: Eddie20 on January 09, 2013, 06:37:06 PM
I'm a big fan of having character guys on team.  Young mr rondo is a leader, plays injured and doesn't complain , does whatever it takes to win and seems to do what is best for the team.
Does cousins fall into ANY of those categories?


Are we talking about Rondo? The one that plays whenever he wants? The one that led a team meeting a couple years back that went pretty bad? The one that threw a water bottle during a film session and then stormed off? The one that has been suspended twice in the last 7 months for two different issues with the refs? Cousins has had his issues, but let's not confuse Rondo with CP3.

Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on January 09, 2013, 06:46:45 PM
No Deal - as much as I like Cousins and Evans, too.

We trade Rondo, we might as well go into Rebuild Mode.

That is too much of Major Moving Pieces for us to seriously contend, IMO.

I remember the shock and chemistry issues BOS had when we parted with Perk....I'd say make this trade in the event of an injury to KG or Pierce, God forbid.

But now?

I couldn't do it - especially after seeing BOS the last three games. There is life (and a Contender) in this team RIGHT NOW.

I just couldn't accept this trade and believe that we'd still contend. We'd make the playoffs, sure - but Tyreke and DeMarcus aren't playoff tested.

We need Rajon Rondo's leadership and ability on this team as we strive for Banner 18...we need his "Raise his game and play to the next level" ability in the post-season.

If SEA/SAC knocks with this offer, I'm not opening the door - especially with what I believe is at stake and what we'd be giving up.
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: Eddie20 on January 09, 2013, 06:47:18 PM
28 people here would say "no deal" is interesting. Perhaps a case of overvaluing ones own players.

Forgetting names for a second, how would you rank the following 3 players? Obviously keeping in mind age and adjusting the productivity based on minutes per game.

Player 1:

Age-26
MPG-37.2
PPG-13.2
RPG-5.2
APG-11.3
FG%-49.5
FT%-62.9
TO's-3.7

Player 2:

Age-22 (6-11)
MPG-30.4
PPG-17.2
RPG-10.2
APG-2.6
FG%-42.7
FT%-77.8
TO's-2.5

Player 3:

Age-23
MPG-29.5
PPG-14.6
RPG-4.6
APG-3.2
FG%-45.1
FT%-79.0
TO's-2.1
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: 2short on January 09, 2013, 06:48:16 PM
I'm a big fan of having character guys on team.  Young mr rondo is a leader, plays injured and doesn't complain , does whatever it takes to win and seems to do what is best for the team.
Does cousins fall into ANY of those categories?


Are we talking about Rondo? The one that plays whenever he wants? The one that led a team meeting a couple years back that went pretty bad? The one that threw a water bottle during a film session and then stormed off? The one that has been suspended twice in the last 7 months for two different issues with the refs? Cousins has had his issues, but let's not confuse Rondo with CP3.
not even in the same park, short memory on what rondo has done in his short six years or so?
Guy that nearly averaged a triple double for a playoff series??
Cousins has size, talent and is young.   He has yet to prove any of the above
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on January 09, 2013, 06:49:45 PM
28 people here would say "no deal" is interesting. Perhaps a case of overvaluing ones own players.

Forgetting names for a second, how would you rank the following 3 players? Obviously keeping in mind age and adjusting the productivity based on minutes per game.

Player 1:

Age-26
MPG-37.2
PPG-13.2
RPG-5.2
APG-11.3
FG%-49.5
FT%-62.9
TO's-3.7

Player 2:

Age-22 (6-11)
MPG-30.4
PPG-17.2
RPG-10.2
APG-2.6
FG%-42.7
FT%-77.8
TO's-2.5

Player 3:

Age-23
MPG-29.5
PPG-14.6
RPG-4.6
APG-3.2
FG%-45.1
FT%-79.0
TO's-2.1

"29"...I voted No Deal, too.
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: alajet on January 09, 2013, 06:54:01 PM
It's illogical to consider Evans or Cousins as me-first players, when the only team they have ever played for wasn't going anywhere whatever they might have done.
I'd like to first see those within a good team and then, if they are still chemistry breakers, I will talk about them being cancers.
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: BballTim on January 09, 2013, 07:00:02 PM
I'm a big fan of having character guys on team.  Young mr rondo is a leader, plays injured and doesn't complain , does whatever it takes to win and seems to do what is best for the team.
Does cousins fall into ANY of those categories?


Are we talking about Rondo? The one that plays whenever he wants? The one that led a team meeting a couple years back that went pretty bad? The one that threw a water bottle during a film session and then stormed off? The one that has been suspended twice in the last 7 months for two different issues with the refs? Cousins has had his issues, but let's not confuse Rondo with CP3.

  Wait, so he led a team meeting that went poorly and he once threw a water bottle during a film session? Wow. I can't believe Ainge didn't try and void his contracts after those antics. And he'd need to force a trade to a team of his choosing before he'd be confused with CP3.
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: Eddie20 on January 09, 2013, 07:00:27 PM
I'm a big fan of having character guys on team.  Young mr rondo is a leader, plays injured and doesn't complain , does whatever it takes to win and seems to do what is best for the team.
Does cousins fall into ANY of those categories?


Are we talking about Rondo? The one that plays whenever he wants? The one that led a team meeting a couple years back that went pretty bad? The one that threw a water bottle during a film session and then stormed off? The one that has been suspended twice in the last 7 months for two different issues with the refs? Cousins has had his issues, but let's not confuse Rondo with CP3.
not even in the same park, short memory on what rondo has done in his short six years or so?
Guy that nearly averaged a triple double for a playoff series??
Cousins has size, talent and is young.   He has yet to prove any of the above

Let's not forget that in the poll we'd be getting Evans too. I'm not saying Cousins is an angel, but neither is Rondo. He's one of the main reasons Allen bolted to Miami. Rondo has had his issues, just like Cousins. He even had his issue with Tubby Smith. I think Rondo has been tremely fortunate to be with a veteran team and a coach like Doc for all, but his rookie year. And he's still had his bouts of immaturity. I'd be curious to see how Rondo's career had gone had he been in that toxic waste that has been Kings basketball.
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: jambr380 on January 09, 2013, 07:03:04 PM
But NO NO NO to them changing their name to the Sonics. Charlotte wants to do this with the Hornets and Cleveland already did this with the Browns. These franchises are not their predecessors and it really just muddies up the histories - Would Shawn Kemp, Gary Payton, Detlef Schrempf, etc be a part of what is now the Thunder or the former Kings? It just rubs me the wrong way!

The real question is, when are the former Kings finally gonna hang the 1951 Rochester Royals championship banner?

TP - That is a great question and I wonder why they don't. They only changed cities - the team that is in Sacramento can be traced all of the way back to Rochester, Cincinnati, and KC.

At least Rochester, Cincinnati, and KC didn't create new teams called the Royals. That is where my major issue with these re-naming of teams  >:(
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: Eddie20 on January 09, 2013, 07:08:11 PM
I'm a big fan of having character guys on team.  Young mr rondo is a leader, plays injured and doesn't complain , does whatever it takes to win and seems to do what is best for the team.
Does cousins fall into ANY of those categories?


Are we talking about Rondo? The one that plays whenever he wants? The one that led a team meeting a couple years back that went pretty bad? The one that threw a water bottle during a film session and then stormed off? The one that has been suspended twice in the last 7 months for two different issues with the refs? Cousins has had his issues, but let's not confuse Rondo with CP3.

  Wait, so he led a team meeting that went poorly and he once threw a water bottle during a film session? Wow. I can't believe Ainge didn't try and void his contracts after those antics. And he'd need to force a trade to a team of his choosing before he'd be confused with CP3.

It was a little more than how you described it.

Quote
Rajon Rondo(notes) directed his teammates to gather in the back of the cabin.

“Go ahead,” Doc Rivers warned his players, “but it will be an awful meeting.”

Rondo appeared to want his teammates to air out complaints in the early evening of April 14, but it rapidly deteriorated into a grievance session that had the uncomfortable vibe of the young guys against the Big 3 of Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce(notes) and Ray Allen(notes). For some Celtics, there was a sense that Rondo had prodded the younger teammates to speak out on the tough-love tactics of the vets.

Rondo never vented, but one teammate who had challenged K.G. later confessed privately that he wished he had never spoken up, that he didn’t even believe the whiny words tumbling out of his mouth. Rondo insists he had the best of intentions, and yet there’s no mistaking the fact the meeting served to widen a gulf between him and his older teammates.

As the flight touched down in Philadelphia, Allen filed past his coach and insisted, “Boy, you were right.”

Rivers didn’t reveal the meeting to Yahoo! Sports, but was honest about its consequences.


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With the Boston Celtics reportedly shopping Rajon Rondo this offseason, the notion that the point guard can be a difficult teammate has been bouncing around the league. The Hornets, being offered Rondo in a package for Chris Paul, were hesitant to do the deal largely because of Rondo’s attitude, some reports said. Now, an incident documented by the Boston Herald offers an example of Rondo’s negativity.

During a video session between Games 2 and 3 of the Celtics’ playoff series with the Heat last season, Rondo stood up to defended himself after having his errors pointed out by assistant coaches. Head coach Doc Rivers talked back at Rondo, who then threw a bottle that shattered the video screen.

Say what you want about Paul, but in the annual GM poll he was voted the best leader in the NBA.

Quote
Which player is the best leader?
1. Chris Paul, L.A. Clippers -- 27.6%
2. Kevin Garnett, Boston -- 20.7%
3. Chauncey Billups, L.A. Clippers -- 10.3%, Tim Duncan, San Antonio -- 10.3%, LeBron James, Miami -- 10.3%, Steve Nash, L.A. Lakers -- 10.3%
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: Edgar on January 09, 2013, 07:25:29 PM
i voted no deal too

Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: drax on January 09, 2013, 07:53:33 PM
No.
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: Accension13 on January 09, 2013, 08:09:32 PM
If the end results end up being basically 50/50, that means its a great trade for both teams. Balanced trades usually are the ones that are the most evenly debated
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Post by: Accension13 on January 09, 2013, 08:17:14 PM
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Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: crimson_stallion on January 09, 2013, 08:53:17 PM
It would be very hard, but if push came to shove I'd have to say yes, and here are some reasons why: 

1. Versatility
Ever since Marquis went we have been desperately lacking a versatile swingman who could play multiple positions.  Marquis could play PG, SG or SF each equally effectively, and he could defend all three just as well.

Tyreke Evans would give us exactly that, becuase like Marquis he can play either of those three positions. 

Not only does this give us better versatility (the ability to match up with big or small lineups) but it also gives us great insurance in the case of an injury or foul trouble. 


2. Scoring
Between the two of them Evans and Cousins are averaging 32 PPG.  Pierce is currently our leading scorer at 19 PPG and KG our second leading scorer at 15 PPG. 

Evans (15 PPG) and Cousins (17 PPG) would immediately become our second and 2nd and 3rd scoring options.  This takes pressure off KG who can now focus on defense and rebounding.

Rondo currently averages about 13 PPG, so that's a lot of extra offensive firepower gained by this trade...on a team that's drastically lacking offensive firepower.


3. Size
By trading Rondo for Evans and Cousins, we've just fixed two of our consdierable size problems. 

The first is size in the backcourt.  We currently have 5 guards on this team, and 4 of them are 6'3" or under.  That makes it difficult for us to defend larger backcourts like the Nets (Williams + Johnson).  If we get Evans we can have a Badley/Evans starting lineup and a Terry/Barbosa/Lee bench.  That means we have the ability to ALWAYS have a larger guard on the court.

The second is size in the frontcourt.  With the addition of Cousins we now have four bigs who are 6'10" or bigger (Cousins, Garnett, Collins, Wilcox).  This ensures that we never EVER need to have an undersized 6'8" Bass or Sully trying to slug it out at Center. 


Much as I'd hate to see Rondo go, this trade just helps us in far too many ways, and given that the contracts match up we probably don't need to give up much (if any) more to make it happen.  Plus we then have 5 guys who are 23 or younger, so our future is absolutely set.

To make things even better, we only need to give up one guy.  We still have Barbosa, Lee, Bass, Sully and Bradley and Green.  That means we still have a ton of trade chips in case we need to pull one more small move to round out the roster. 
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: Accension13 on January 09, 2013, 09:08:02 PM
It would be very hard, but if push came to shove I'd have to say yes, and here are some reasons why: 

1. Versatility
Ever since Marquis went we have been desperately lacking a versatile swingman who could play multiple positions.  Marquis could play PG, SG or SF each equally effectively, and he could defend all three just as well.

Tyreke Evans would give us exactly that, becuase like Marquis he can play either of those three positions. 

Not only does this give us better versatility (the ability to match up with big or small lineups) but it also gives us great insurance in the case of an injury or foul trouble. 


2. Scoring
Between the two of them Evans and Cousins are averaging 32 PPG.  Pierce is currently our leading scorer at 19 PPG and KG our second leading scorer at 15 PPG. 

Evans (15 PPG) and Cousins (17 PPG) would immediately become our second and 2nd and 3rd scoring options.  This takes pressure off KG who can now focus on defense and rebounding.

Rondo currently averages about 13 PPG, so that's a lot of extra offensive firepower gained by this trade...on a team that's drastically lacking offensive firepower.


3. Size
By trading Rondo for Evans and Cousins, we've just fixed two of our consdierable size problems. 

The first is size in the backcourt.  We currently have 5 guards on this team, and 4 of them are 6'3" or under.  That makes it difficult for us to defend larger backcourts like the Nets (Williams + Johnson).  If we get Evans we can have a Badley/Evans starting lineup and a Terry/Barbosa/Lee bench.  That means we have the ability to ALWAYS have a larger guard on the court.

The second is size in the frontcourt.  With the addition of Cousins we now have four bigs who are 6'10" or bigger (Cousins, Garnett, Collins, Wilcox).  This ensures that we never EVER need to have an undersized 6'8" Bass or Sully trying to slug it out at Center. 


Much as I'd hate to see Rondo go, this trade just helps us in far too many ways, and given that the contracts match up we probably don't need to give up much (if any) more to make it happen.  Plus we then have 5 guys who are 23 or younger, so our future is absolutely set.

To make things even better, we only need to give up one guy.  We still have Barbosa, Lee, Bass, Sully and Bradley and Green.  That means we still have a ton of trade chips in case we need to pull one more small move to round out the roster.

Great points!

TP!
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: BballTim on January 09, 2013, 09:20:46 PM
I'm a big fan of having character guys on team.  Young mr rondo is a leader, plays injured and doesn't complain , does whatever it takes to win and seems to do what is best for the team.
Does cousins fall into ANY of those categories?


Are we talking about Rondo? The one that plays whenever he wants? The one that led a team meeting a couple years back that went pretty bad? The one that threw a water bottle during a film session and then stormed off? The one that has been suspended twice in the last 7 months for two different issues with the refs? Cousins has had his issues, but let's not confuse Rondo with CP3.

  Wait, so he led a team meeting that went poorly and he once threw a water bottle during a film session? Wow. I can't believe Ainge didn't try and void his contracts after those antics. And he'd need to force a trade to a team of his choosing before he'd be confused with CP3.

It was a little more than how you described it.

Quote
Rajon Rondo(notes) directed his teammates to gather in the back of the cabin.

“Go ahead,” Doc Rivers warned his players, “but it will be an awful meeting.”

Rondo appeared to want his teammates to air out complaints in the early evening of April 14, but it rapidly deteriorated into a grievance session that had the uncomfortable vibe of the young guys against the Big 3 of Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce(notes) and Ray Allen(notes). For some Celtics, there was a sense that Rondo had prodded the younger teammates to speak out on the tough-love tactics of the vets.

Rondo never vented, but one teammate who had challenged K.G. later confessed privately that he wished he had never spoken up, that he didn’t even believe the whiny words tumbling out of his mouth. Rondo insists he had the best of intentions, and yet there’s no mistaking the fact the meeting served to widen a gulf between him and his older teammates.

As the flight touched down in Philadelphia, Allen filed past his coach and insisted, “Boy, you were right.”

Rivers didn’t reveal the meeting to Yahoo! Sports, but was honest about its consequences.

  I don't see why you're using this as an example of Rondo being a head case. Obviously there was a rift between players on the team, and Rondo made an attempt to resolve the issue.
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: BballTim on January 09, 2013, 09:27:35 PM
I'm a big fan of having character guys on team.  Young mr rondo is a leader, plays injured and doesn't complain , does whatever it takes to win and seems to do what is best for the team.
Does cousins fall into ANY of those categories?


Are we talking about Rondo? The one that plays whenever he wants? The one that led a team meeting a couple years back that went pretty bad? The one that threw a water bottle during a film session and then stormed off? The one that has been suspended twice in the last 7 months for two different issues with the refs? Cousins has had his issues, but let's not confuse Rondo with CP3.
not even in the same park, short memory on what rondo has done in his short six years or so?
Guy that nearly averaged a triple double for a playoff series??
Cousins has size, talent and is young.   He has yet to prove any of the above

Let's not forget that in the poll we'd be getting Evans too. I'm not saying Cousins is an angel, but neither is Rondo. He's one of the main reasons Allen bolted to Miami.

  Yes, along with Doc, Danny, Avery, PP and KG (and I probably missed someone).

I think Rondo has been tremely fortunate to be with a veteran team and a coach like Doc for all, but his rookie year. And he's still had his bouts of immaturity. I'd be curious to see how Rondo's career had gone had he been in that toxic waste that has been Kings basketball.

  He'd have been more of a focal point on offense on a team like that. Not necessarily a better player, but shooting and scoring more and passing less. Most of his critics would probably think he's much better because of the scoring.
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: Eddie20 on January 09, 2013, 09:30:13 PM
I'm a big fan of having character guys on team.  Young mr rondo is a leader, plays injured and doesn't complain , does whatever it takes to win and seems to do what is best for the team.
Does cousins fall into ANY of those categories?


Are we talking about Rondo? The one that plays whenever he wants? The one that led a team meeting a couple years back that went pretty bad? The one that threw a water bottle during a film session and then stormed off? The one that has been suspended twice in the last 7 months for two different issues with the refs? Cousins has had his issues, but let's not confuse Rondo with CP3.

  Wait, so he led a team meeting that went poorly and he once threw a water bottle during a film session? Wow. I can't believe Ainge didn't try and void his contracts after those antics. And he'd need to force a trade to a team of his choosing before he'd be confused with CP3.

It was a little more than how you described it.

Quote
Rajon Rondo(notes) directed his teammates to gather in the back of the cabin.

“Go ahead,” Doc Rivers warned his players, “but it will be an awful meeting.”

Rondo appeared to want his teammates to air out complaints in the early evening of April 14, but it rapidly deteriorated into a grievance session that had the uncomfortable vibe of the young guys against the Big 3 of Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce(notes) and Ray Allen(notes). For some Celtics, there was a sense that Rondo had prodded the younger teammates to speak out on the tough-love tactics of the vets.

Rondo never vented, but one teammate who had challenged K.G. later confessed privately that he wished he had never spoken up, that he didn’t even believe the whiny words tumbling out of his mouth. Rondo insists he had the best of intentions, and yet there’s no mistaking the fact the meeting served to widen a gulf between him and his older teammates.

As the flight touched down in Philadelphia, Allen filed past his coach and insisted, “Boy, you were right.”

Rivers didn’t reveal the meeting to Yahoo! Sports, but was honest about its consequences.

  I don't see why you're using this as an example of Rondo being a head case. Obviously there was a rift between players on the team, and Rondo made an attempt to resolve the issue.

I bolded the key part.
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: Eddie20 on January 09, 2013, 09:41:09 PM
I'm a big fan of having character guys on team.  Young mr rondo is a leader, plays injured and doesn't complain , does whatever it takes to win and seems to do what is best for the team.
Does cousins fall into ANY of those categories?


Are we talking about Rondo? The one that plays whenever he wants? The one that led a team meeting a couple years back that went pretty bad? The one that threw a water bottle during a film session and then stormed off? The one that has been suspended twice in the last 7 months for two different issues with the refs? Cousins has had his issues, but let's not confuse Rondo with CP3.
not even in the same park, short memory on what rondo has done in his short six years or so?
Guy that nearly averaged a triple double for a playoff series??
Cousins has size, talent and is young.   He has yet to prove any of the above

Let's not forget that in the poll we'd be getting Evans too. I'm not saying Cousins is an angel, but neither is Rondo. He's one of the main reasons Allen bolted to Miami.

  Yes, along with Doc, Danny, Avery, PP and KG (and I probably missed someone).

I think Rondo has been tremely fortunate to be with a veteran team and a coach like Doc for all, but his rookie year. And he's still had his bouts of immaturity. I'd be curious to see how Rondo's career had gone had he been in that toxic waste that has been Kings basketball.

  He'd have been more of a focal point on offense on a team like that. Not necessarily a better player, but shooting and scoring more and passing less. Most of his critics would probably think he's much better because of the scoring.

I won't bother rehashing the Allen saga.

Rondo on the Kings would've been interesting. I would love to have seen him "thrive" in the culture. Or perhaps his much chronicled difficult personality would've been magnified.

Nevertheless, you seem to value Rondo more than I do. If you don't think Cousins and Evans for Rondo is a great return then we'll agree to disagree. That said, where is that you rank Rondo in terms of overall NBA players? Curious as it's likely much higher than I have him.
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: BballTim on January 09, 2013, 09:50:17 PM
I'm a big fan of having character guys on team.  Young mr rondo is a leader, plays injured and doesn't complain , does whatever it takes to win and seems to do what is best for the team.
Does cousins fall into ANY of those categories?


Are we talking about Rondo? The one that plays whenever he wants? The one that led a team meeting a couple years back that went pretty bad? The one that threw a water bottle during a film session and then stormed off? The one that has been suspended twice in the last 7 months for two different issues with the refs? Cousins has had his issues, but let's not confuse Rondo with CP3.

  Wait, so he led a team meeting that went poorly and he once threw a water bottle during a film session? Wow. I can't believe Ainge didn't try and void his contracts after those antics. And he'd need to force a trade to a team of his choosing before he'd be confused with CP3.

It was a little more than how you described it.

Quote
Rajon Rondo(notes) directed his teammates to gather in the back of the cabin.

“Go ahead,” Doc Rivers warned his players, “but it will be an awful meeting.”

Rondo appeared to want his teammates to air out complaints in the early evening of April 14, but it rapidly deteriorated into a grievance session that had the uncomfortable vibe of the young guys against the Big 3 of Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce(notes) and Ray Allen(notes). For some Celtics, there was a sense that Rondo had prodded the younger teammates to speak out on the tough-love tactics of the vets.

Rondo never vented, but one teammate who had challenged K.G. later confessed privately that he wished he had never spoken up, that he didn’t even believe the whiny words tumbling out of his mouth. Rondo insists he had the best of intentions, and yet there’s no mistaking the fact the meeting served to widen a gulf between him and his older teammates.

As the flight touched down in Philadelphia, Allen filed past his coach and insisted, “Boy, you were right.”

Rivers didn’t reveal the meeting to Yahoo! Sports, but was honest about its consequences.

  I don't see why you're using this as an example of Rondo being a head case. Obviously there was a rift between players on the team, and Rondo made an attempt to resolve the issue.

I bolded the key part.

  So? There was clearly a rift between players on the team and Rondo encouraged the players who were upset to talk things out with the other players. Hardly an indictment against him.
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: BballTim on January 09, 2013, 10:00:18 PM
I'm a big fan of having character guys on team.  Young mr rondo is a leader, plays injured and doesn't complain , does whatever it takes to win and seems to do what is best for the team.
Does cousins fall into ANY of those categories?


Are we talking about Rondo? The one that plays whenever he wants? The one that led a team meeting a couple years back that went pretty bad? The one that threw a water bottle during a film session and then stormed off? The one that has been suspended twice in the last 7 months for two different issues with the refs? Cousins has had his issues, but let's not confuse Rondo with CP3.
not even in the same park, short memory on what rondo has done in his short six years or so?
Guy that nearly averaged a triple double for a playoff series??
Cousins has size, talent and is young.   He has yet to prove any of the above

Let's not forget that in the poll we'd be getting Evans too. I'm not saying Cousins is an angel, but neither is Rondo. He's one of the main reasons Allen bolted to Miami.

  Yes, along with Doc, Danny, Avery, PP and KG (and I probably missed someone).

I think Rondo has been tremely fortunate to be with a veteran team and a coach like Doc for all, but his rookie year. And he's still had his bouts of immaturity. I'd be curious to see how Rondo's career had gone had he been in that toxic waste that has been Kings basketball.

  He'd have been more of a focal point on offense on a team like that. Not necessarily a better player, but shooting and scoring more and passing less. Most of his critics would probably think he's much better because of the scoring.

I won't bother rehashing the Allen saga.

Rondo on the Kings would've been interesting. I would love to have seen him "thrive" in the culture. Or perhaps his much chronicled difficult personality would've been magnified.

Nevertheless, you seem to value Rondo more than I do. If you don't think Cousins and Evans for Rondo is a great return then we'll agree to disagree. That said, where is that you rank Rondo in terms of overall NBA players? Curious as it's likely much higher than I have him.

  And you seem to have a higher value on Cousins and Evans that I do. You had a longish post comparing the stats of the three players and talking about ranking them. But I'd pose a different question. One of the players in the comparison has been widely seen as one of the top performers in the league in the playoffs in multiple years. What do you think the odds are you'll ever be able to say that about one of the other two?
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: Eddie20 on January 09, 2013, 10:17:17 PM
I'm a big fan of having character guys on team.  Young mr rondo is a leader, plays injured and doesn't complain , does whatever it takes to win and seems to do what is best for the team.
Does cousins fall into ANY of those categories?


Are we talking about Rondo? The one that plays whenever he wants? The one that led a team meeting a couple years back that went pretty bad? The one that threw a water bottle during a film session and then stormed off? The one that has been suspended twice in the last 7 months for two different issues with the refs? Cousins has had his issues, but let's not confuse Rondo with CP3.
not even in the same park, short memory on what rondo has done in his short six years or so?
Guy that nearly averaged a triple double for a playoff series??
Cousins has size, talent and is young.   He has yet to prove any of the above

Let's not forget that in the poll we'd be getting Evans too. I'm not saying Cousins is an angel, but neither is Rondo. He's one of the main reasons Allen bolted to Miami.

  Yes, along with Doc, Danny, Avery, PP and KG (and I probably missed someone).

I think Rondo has been tremely fortunate to be with a veteran team and a coach like Doc for all, but his rookie year. And he's still had his bouts of immaturity. I'd be curious to see how Rondo's career had gone had he been in that toxic waste that has been Kings basketball.

  He'd have been more of a focal point on offense on a team like that. Not necessarily a better player, but shooting and scoring more and passing less. Most of his critics would probably think he's much better because of the scoring.

I won't bother rehashing the Allen saga.

Rondo on the Kings would've been interesting. I would love to have seen him "thrive" in the culture. Or perhaps his much chronicled difficult personality would've been magnified.

Nevertheless, you seem to value Rondo more than I do. If you don't think Cousins and Evans for Rondo is a great return then we'll agree to disagree. That said, where is that you rank Rondo in terms of overall NBA players? Curious as it's likely much higher than I have him.

  And you seem to have a higher value on Cousins and Evans that I do. You had a longish post comparing the stats of the three players and talking about ranking them. But I'd pose a different question. One of the players in the comparison has been widely seen as one of the top performers in the league in the playoffs in multiple years. What do you think the odds are you'll ever be able to say that about one of the other two?

Considering Evans is 23 and Cousins is 22 I would say the odds are extremely high. Especially with Cousins. Bigs take so long to develop and what he has the potential of being at Rondo's current age is downright scary.

So your turn, who do you think is better than Rondo? James, Durant...?
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: SHAQATTACK on January 09, 2013, 10:21:19 PM
I 'm all over making RONDO the new GARY PAYTON at Seattle ... ;D


Send Cousins ...EAST  BOUND  ...!!!  WOO HOO!!!
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: bfrombleacher on January 09, 2013, 10:31:39 PM
Like what people said about the Perk-JG trade, do it in the offseason if at all. The chemistry is too good right now.

That said, this trade sounds about right for us. Not sure if the Kings have any incentive though. Rondo puts you over the hump if you have a borderline contender.
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: BballTim on January 09, 2013, 11:26:45 PM
I'm a big fan of having character guys on team.  Young mr rondo is a leader, plays injured and doesn't complain , does whatever it takes to win and seems to do what is best for the team.
Does cousins fall into ANY of those categories?


Are we talking about Rondo? The one that plays whenever he wants? The one that led a team meeting a couple years back that went pretty bad? The one that threw a water bottle during a film session and then stormed off? The one that has been suspended twice in the last 7 months for two different issues with the refs? Cousins has had his issues, but let's not confuse Rondo with CP3.
not even in the same park, short memory on what rondo has done in his short six years or so?
Guy that nearly averaged a triple double for a playoff series??
Cousins has size, talent and is young.   He has yet to prove any of the above

Let's not forget that in the poll we'd be getting Evans too. I'm not saying Cousins is an angel, but neither is Rondo. He's one of the main reasons Allen bolted to Miami.

  Yes, along with Doc, Danny, Avery, PP and KG (and I probably missed someone).

I think Rondo has been tremely fortunate to be with a veteran team and a coach like Doc for all, but his rookie year. And he's still had his bouts of immaturity. I'd be curious to see how Rondo's career had gone had he been in that toxic waste that has been Kings basketball.

  He'd have been more of a focal point on offense on a team like that. Not necessarily a better player, but shooting and scoring more and passing less. Most of his critics would probably think he's much better because of the scoring.

I won't bother rehashing the Allen saga.

Rondo on the Kings would've been interesting. I would love to have seen him "thrive" in the culture. Or perhaps his much chronicled difficult personality would've been magnified.

Nevertheless, you seem to value Rondo more than I do. If you don't think Cousins and Evans for Rondo is a great return then we'll agree to disagree. That said, where is that you rank Rondo in terms of overall NBA players? Curious as it's likely much higher than I have him.

  And you seem to have a higher value on Cousins and Evans that I do. You had a longish post comparing the stats of the three players and talking about ranking them. But I'd pose a different question. One of the players in the comparison has been widely seen as one of the top performers in the league in the playoffs in multiple years. What do you think the odds are you'll ever be able to say that about one of the other two?

Considering Evans is 23 and Cousins is 22 I would say the odds are extremely high. Especially with Cousins. Bigs take so long to develop and what he has the potential of being at Rondo's current age is downright scary.

So your turn, who do you think is better than Rondo? James, Durant...?

  Sure, I think James and Durant are better than Rondo. But if the odds on Cousins being one of the best players in the league multiple times was extremely high then we wouldn't be discussing trade scenarios involving him.
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: Accension13 on January 10, 2013, 12:45:22 AM
Here is an interesting qoute from this article

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/225512/Exec_Significant_Trades_Unlikely_Until_February



The NBA’s trade deadline remains more than a month away, but rumors have begun to intensify with franchise cornerstones like Rudy Gay, DeMarcus Cousins, Zach Randolph and Rajon Rondo showing up in reports across the league.

While speculation in the media has increased, there hasn’t been a ton of substantive talk among NBA teams at this point. After a conversation with a league executive on Wednesday, the takeaway was that we may not see any significant moves for a few weeks.



i thought it was interesting they mention Rondo. I have not seen any Rondo rumors
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: Chris on January 10, 2013, 11:26:33 AM
Here is an interesting qoute from this article

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/225512/Exec_Significant_Trades_Unlikely_Until_February



The NBA’s trade deadline remains more than a month away, but rumors have begun to intensify with franchise cornerstones like Rudy Gay, DeMarcus Cousins, Zach Randolph and Rajon Rondo showing up in reports across the league.

While speculation in the media has increased, there hasn’t been a ton of substantive talk among NBA teams at this point. After a conversation with a league executive on Wednesday, the takeaway was that we may not see any significant moves for a few weeks.



i thought it was interesting they mention Rondo. I have not seen any Rondo rumors

You haven't seen Rondo rumors, because this is a Celtics site, where we think everyone can be had for our spare pieces.  There have been plenty of rumblings and speculation that Rondo would be the main piece in a Cousins deal.

As far as the timing, that sounds about right.  It is very rare that deals happen this far before the trade deadline. 
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: Eddie20 on January 10, 2013, 11:40:13 AM
I'm a big fan of having character guys on team.  Young mr rondo is a leader, plays injured and doesn't complain , does whatever it takes to win and seems to do what is best for the team.
Does cousins fall into ANY of those categories?


Are we talking about Rondo? The one that plays whenever he wants? The one that led a team meeting a couple years back that went pretty bad? The one that threw a water bottle during a film session and then stormed off? The one that has been suspended twice in the last 7 months for two different issues with the refs? Cousins has had his issues, but let's not confuse Rondo with CP3.
not even in the same park, short memory on what rondo has done in his short six years or so?
Guy that nearly averaged a triple double for a playoff series??
Cousins has size, talent and is young.   He has yet to prove any of the above

Let's not forget that in the poll we'd be getting Evans too. I'm not saying Cousins is an angel, but neither is Rondo. He's one of the main reasons Allen bolted to Miami.

  Yes, along with Doc, Danny, Avery, PP and KG (and I probably missed someone).

I think Rondo has been tremely fortunate to be with a veteran team and a coach like Doc for all, but his rookie year. And he's still had his bouts of immaturity. I'd be curious to see how Rondo's career had gone had he been in that toxic waste that has been Kings basketball.

  He'd have been more of a focal point on offense on a team like that. Not necessarily a better player, but shooting and scoring more and passing less. Most of his critics would probably think he's much better because of the scoring.

I won't bother rehashing the Allen saga.

Rondo on the Kings would've been interesting. I would love to have seen him "thrive" in the culture. Or perhaps his much chronicled difficult personality would've been magnified.

Nevertheless, you seem to value Rondo more than I do. If you don't think Cousins and Evans for Rondo is a great return then we'll agree to disagree. That said, where is that you rank Rondo in terms of overall NBA players? Curious as it's likely much higher than I have him.

  And you seem to have a higher value on Cousins and Evans that I do. You had a longish post comparing the stats of the three players and talking about ranking them. But I'd pose a different question. One of the players in the comparison has been widely seen as one of the top performers in the league in the playoffs in multiple years. What do you think the odds are you'll ever be able to say that about one of the other two?

Considering Evans is 23 and Cousins is 22 I would say the odds are extremely high. Especially with Cousins. Bigs take so long to develop and what he has the potential of being at Rondo's current age is downright scary.

So your turn, who do you think is better than Rondo? James, Durant...?

  Sure, I think James and Durant are better than Rondo. But if the odds on Cousins being one of the best players in the league multiple times was extremely high then we wouldn't be discussing trade scenarios involving him.

You've yet to answer where you rank Rondo. Who else besides Durant and James? Or is that it and you have Rondo as the 3rd best player in the world?

The only reason Cousins is being discussed is because of his personality issues. If it weren't for that, he would be one of the most untouchable guys in the NBA. Yes, more untouchable than Rondo.
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: Accension13 on January 10, 2013, 12:00:50 PM
Here is an interesting qoute from this article

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/225512/Exec_Significant_Trades_Unlikely_Until_February



The NBA’s trade deadline remains more than a month away, but rumors have begun to intensify with franchise cornerstones like Rudy Gay, DeMarcus Cousins, Zach Randolph and Rajon Rondo showing up in reports across the league.

While speculation in the media has increased, there hasn’t been a ton of substantive talk among NBA teams at this point. After a conversation with a league executive on Wednesday, the takeaway was that we may not see any significant moves for a few weeks.



i thought it was interesting they mention Rondo. I have not seen any Rondo rumors

You haven't seen Rondo rumors, because this is a Celtics site, where we think everyone can be had for our spare pieces.  There have been plenty of rumblings and speculation that Rondo would be the main piece in a Cousins deal.

As far as the timing, that sounds about right.  It is very rare that deals happen this far before the trade deadline.

Great point... it amazes me that so many people think  you can get another teams top 5 player by sacrificing our under performing role players. Everyone else on the team is considered untouchable.  You have to give something to get something.

Ex. Reports came out that say the clippers were considering giving the cavs Jordan for vareajo before his injury.  A realistic possibility like that would be unfathomable by a lot of celtics fans. We are already making fab Melo untouchable
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: BballTim on January 10, 2013, 12:08:01 PM
I'm a big fan of having character guys on team.  Young mr rondo is a leader, plays injured and doesn't complain , does whatever it takes to win and seems to do what is best for the team.
Does cousins fall into ANY of those categories?


Are we talking about Rondo? The one that plays whenever he wants? The one that led a team meeting a couple years back that went pretty bad? The one that threw a water bottle during a film session and then stormed off? The one that has been suspended twice in the last 7 months for two different issues with the refs? Cousins has had his issues, but let's not confuse Rondo with CP3.
not even in the same park, short memory on what rondo has done in his short six years or so?
Guy that nearly averaged a triple double for a playoff series??
Cousins has size, talent and is young.   He has yet to prove any of the above

Let's not forget that in the poll we'd be getting Evans too. I'm not saying Cousins is an angel, but neither is Rondo. He's one of the main reasons Allen bolted to Miami.

  Yes, along with Doc, Danny, Avery, PP and KG (and I probably missed someone).

I think Rondo has been tremely fortunate to be with a veteran team and a coach like Doc for all, but his rookie year. And he's still had his bouts of immaturity. I'd be curious to see how Rondo's career had gone had he been in that toxic waste that has been Kings basketball.

  He'd have been more of a focal point on offense on a team like that. Not necessarily a better player, but shooting and scoring more and passing less. Most of his critics would probably think he's much better because of the scoring.

I won't bother rehashing the Allen saga.

Rondo on the Kings would've been interesting. I would love to have seen him "thrive" in the culture. Or perhaps his much chronicled difficult personality would've been magnified.

Nevertheless, you seem to value Rondo more than I do. If you don't think Cousins and Evans for Rondo is a great return then we'll agree to disagree. That said, where is that you rank Rondo in terms of overall NBA players? Curious as it's likely much higher than I have him.

  And you seem to have a higher value on Cousins and Evans that I do. You had a longish post comparing the stats of the three players and talking about ranking them. But I'd pose a different question. One of the players in the comparison has been widely seen as one of the top performers in the league in the playoffs in multiple years. What do you think the odds are you'll ever be able to say that about one of the other two?

Considering Evans is 23 and Cousins is 22 I would say the odds are extremely high. Especially with Cousins. Bigs take so long to develop and what he has the potential of being at Rondo's current age is downright scary.

So your turn, who do you think is better than Rondo? James, Durant...?

  Sure, I think James and Durant are better than Rondo. But if the odds on Cousins being one of the best players in the league multiple times was extremely high then we wouldn't be discussing trade scenarios involving him.

You've yet to answer where you rank Rondo. Who else besides Durant and James? Or is that it and you have Rondo as the 3rd best player in the world?

  There's a lot of fluidity for "best player" below LeBron and KD. Who's the best team in the league? The answer right now is different than it was in December and probably November and probably different than it will be in May and June. Same with top players.

The only reason Cousins is being discussed is because of his personality issues. If it weren't for that, he would be one of the most untouchable guys in the NBA. Yes, more untouchable than Rondo.

  So with Bynum and Howard on the shelf you must be expecting Cousins to run away with 1st team all-nba and be an mvp candidate, since that award isn't usually based on personality.
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: kozlodoev on January 10, 2013, 12:11:29 PM
The only reason Cousins is being discussed is because of his personality issues. If it weren't for that, he would be one of the most untouchable guys in the NBA. Yes, more untouchable than Rondo.

  So with Bynum and Howard on the shelf you must be expecting Cousins to run away with 1st team all-nba and be an mvp candidate, since that award isn't usually based on personality.
Because those two things are so clearly related.
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: BballTim on January 10, 2013, 12:18:29 PM
The only reason Cousins is being discussed is because of his personality issues. If it weren't for that, he would be one of the most untouchable guys in the NBA. Yes, more untouchable than Rondo.

  So with Bynum and Howard on the shelf you must be expecting Cousins to run away with 1st team all-nba and be an mvp candidate, since that award isn't usually based on personality.
Because those two things are so clearly related.

  I could have typed something like "he'll lead the Kings to at least challenge for a playoff spot" but that seemed ridiculous. He's in his 3rd year and he's 22. If you want to take a list of "untouchable big men" and compare his success on the court (individual, team and where he ranks in the league hierarchy) to those players then good luck to you.
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: kozlodoev on January 10, 2013, 12:21:29 PM
The only reason Cousins is being discussed is because of his personality issues. If it weren't for that, he would be one of the most untouchable guys in the NBA. Yes, more untouchable than Rondo.

  So with Bynum and Howard on the shelf you must be expecting Cousins to run away with 1st team all-nba and be an mvp candidate, since that award isn't usually based on personality.
Because those two things are so clearly related.

  I could have typed something like "he'll lead the Kings to at least challenge for a playoff spot" but that seemed ridiculous. He's in his 3rd year and he's 22. If you want to take a list of "untouchable big men" and compare his success on the court (individual, team and where he ranks in the league hierarchy) to those players then good luck to you.
Yes, given his age and skill he'd be pretty untouchable. Especially given the state of the Kings.
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: Eddie20 on January 10, 2013, 04:41:55 PM
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There's a lot of fluidity for "best player" below LeBron and KD. Who's the best team in the league? The answer right now is different than it was in December and probably November and probably different than it will be in May and June. Same with top players.

Man, I must admit you dodge questions with the best of them. So I will rephrase the question. Where does Rondo rank, in your eyes, today, Thursday, January 10th, 2013, in regards to NBA players?

Keep in mind that Golden State refused a Rondo for Curry swap about 12 months ago. So there is probably a Warrior fan in California saying he wouldn't trade Curry for Evans and Cousins either. It doesn't mean you're correct, it simply means you're probably not alone in overvaluing your own team's players.
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: BballTim on January 10, 2013, 05:10:44 PM
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There's a lot of fluidity for "best player" below LeBron and KD. Who's the best team in the league? The answer right now is different than it was in December and probably November and probably different than it will be in May and June. Same with top players.

Man, I must admit you dodge questions with the best of them. So I will rephrase the question. Where does Rondo rank, in your eyes, today, Thursday, January 10th, 2013, in regards to NBA players?

  I gave you the correct answer. Is Rondo better than (for example) than Dirk? Some of the time he is, some of the time he isn't, it depends on how healthy they are and how well they're playing. What's the value in claiming that one player is better than the other? Rondo's capable of playing like one of the best players in the league, especially in the playoffs. That's more important than where you think he ranks (apparently in absolute terms).

Keep in mind that Golden State refused a Rondo for Curry swap about 12 months ago. So there is probably a Warrior fan in California saying he wouldn't trade Curry for Evans and Cousins either. It doesn't mean you're correct, it simply means you're probably not alone in overvaluing your own team's players.

  Trade rumors are rumors, not facts. Secondly, there's no reason to believe that you're not the one overvaluing players. What if you trade for Cousins and he's still pulling antics when his contract is up? Do you sign him to a max contract or let him walk? What if he takes as long to figure things out as Z-Bo, or even longer?

  The probable winner in the Cousins sweepstakes is the team that gets him after his next contract. The gms that have him between now and then won't have much job security. Again, you're acting like he's a surefire franchise player, it's fairly unlikely that he'll get to that level before he's close to 30 if he does at all.
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: ejk3489 on January 10, 2013, 06:05:08 PM
After the "super star" MVP category of Lebron, KD, CP3, Dwight, and Kobe, it's hard to really rank guys like Rondo because there are so many great all-star level players.

I thought ESPN did a pretty decent job with their rankings before the season, which put Rondo at number 11. Seems pretty fair to me...I don't think he's been a top 10 player this season (IMO it's been Lebron, KD, CP3, Melo, Harden, Parker, Westbrook, David Lee, Duncan, and Kobe) but he's on the edge of that group with guys like Wade, Irving, Griffin, Bosh, Randolph, Curry, Love, Tyson Chandler, Marc Gasol, ect.

Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: Eddie20 on January 10, 2013, 07:02:49 PM
After the "super star" MVP category of Lebron, KD, CP3, Dwight, and Kobe, it's hard to really rank guys like Rondo because there are so many great all-star level players.

I thought ESPN did a pretty decent job with their rankings before the season, which put Rondo at number 11. Seems pretty fair to me...I don't think he's been a top 10 player this season (IMO it's been Lebron, KD, CP3, Melo, Harden, Parker, Westbrook, David Lee, Duncan, and Kobe) but he's on the edge of that group with guys like Wade, Irving, Griffin, Bosh, Randolph, Curry, Love, Tyson Chandler, Marc Gasol, ect.

I agree. However, that's where the debate started. He stated he wouldn't trade Rondo for Cousins and Evans. Out of those second tier guys, if you're their respective GM, wouldn't you trade the majority of them for Evans and Cousins?
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: Edgar on January 11, 2013, 03:06:14 AM
After the "super star" MVP category of  it's hard to really rank guys like Rondo because there are so many great all-star level players.

I thought ESPN did a pretty decent job with their rankings before the season, which put Rondo at number 11. Seems pretty fair to me...I don't think he's been a top 10 player this season (IMO it's been Lebron, KD, CP3, Melo, Harden, Parker, Westbrook, David Lee, Duncan, and Kobe) but he's on the edge of that group with guys like Wade, Irving, Griffin, Bosh, Randolph, Curry, Love, Tyson Chandler, Marc Gasol, ect.

I agree. However, that's where the debate started. He stated he wouldn't trade Rondo for Cousins and Evans. Out of those second tier guys, if you're their respective GM, wouldn't you trade the majority of them for Evans and Cousins?

I will give this one second without saying no more than its very usefull information

Rondo as a C this year in trade vrs.



Lebron, KD, CP3, Dwight, and Kobe, YES
but because if not CP3 we can get a lot of assets with them
yes even with old kobe in a multi trade or easier to survive without him

now

Melo, NO
Harden, NO
Parker,NO
Westbrook, MAYBE
David Lee,NO
Duncan, NO unless we got a backup like Parker

Wade, even
Irving, even
Griffin, hes a binkie dont blame me, yes
Bosh, NO
Randolph, NO
Curry, NO because of Bradley
Love, YES
Tyson Chandler,NO
Marc Gasol,tough see....Parker

just to talk about something at this late hours

none of this will happend though

p.s I am trying to think franchise wise age, position and not only love
p.s.2. no money involved of course and thats the sin of doing this i know






Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: vjcsmoke on January 12, 2013, 12:30:56 AM
Would like to have Cousins but don't care for Tyreke Evans.  Losing Rondo seems to big a price to pay without getting a star PG in return.  And Evans is not a real PG.

Is Josh Smith trade still dead as an option?  At least I don't see him getting himself suspended.  He'd also add even more to Boston's stifling defensive presence. Long, athletic defender who can take on strong or quick power forwards.
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: LilRip on January 12, 2013, 10:47:12 PM
with Lowry now coming off the bench for the Raps, could he be had for Evans (3-team deal)?

I remember seeing a graphic some months ago about making a Rondo to the Kings, DMC and Lowry to the C's and Evans to the Raps work financially. I think that's a really solid deal for all teams involved.  :)
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: Lucky17 on January 12, 2013, 10:53:13 PM
with Lowry now coming off the bench for the Raps, could he be had for Evans (3-team deal)?

I remember seeing a graphic some months ago about making a Rondo to the Kings, DMC and Lowry to the C's and Evans to the Raps work financially. I think that's a really solid deal for all teams involved.  :)

The numbers on that do work. But I have a hard time seeing the Raptors trading Lowry less than half a season after giving up a lottery pick to get him.

I think Calderon is starting in Toronto simply because the Raps want to showcase him.
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: Who on January 13, 2013, 02:59:28 AM
with Lowry now coming off the bench for the Raps, could he be had for Evans (3-team deal)?

I remember seeing a graphic some months ago about making a Rondo to the Kings, DMC and Lowry to the C's and Evans to the Raps work financially. I think that's a really solid deal for all teams involved.  :)

The numbers on that do work. But I have a hard time seeing the Raptors trading Lowry less than half a season after giving up a lottery pick to get him.

I think Calderon is starting in Toronto simply because the Raps want to showcase him.

Toronto is starting Calderon because, unlike Lowry, Calderon makes his teammates better. Very few PGs do a better job of putting their teammates in position to succeed than Calderon does. The other players on the roster are responding better to Jose's PG leadership than Lowry's. 

It's a shame Calderon has spent his career on so many poor Toronto Raptors teams. It's terrible that such a good player hasn't gotten the recognition he deserves. I really hate what Bryan Colangelo has done / failed to do in Toronto.
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: Yogi on January 13, 2013, 03:59:14 AM
Amazing how quickly people forget how good Rondo is.  Good thing Danny Ainge is our GM and not a Celticsblog poll.
Title: Re: Poll: Seatle Supersonics knocks and offer Cousins+Evans for Rondo? Deal/No Deal
Post by: alajet on January 13, 2013, 05:04:40 AM
After the "super star" MVP category of  it's hard to really rank guys like Rondo because there are so many great all-star level players.

I thought ESPN did a pretty decent job with their rankings before the season, which put Rondo at number 11. Seems pretty fair to me...I don't think he's been a top 10 player this season (IMO it's been Lebron, KD, CP3, Melo, Harden, Parker, Westbrook, David Lee, Duncan, and Kobe) but he's on the edge of that group with guys like Wade, Irving, Griffin, Bosh, Randolph, Curry, Love, Tyson Chandler, Marc Gasol, ect.

I agree. However, that's where the debate started. He stated he wouldn't trade Rondo for Cousins and Evans. Out of those second tier guys, if you're their respective GM, wouldn't you trade the majority of them for Evans and Cousins?

I will give this one second without saying no more than its very usefull information

Rondo as a C this year in trade vrs.



Lebron, KD, CP3, Dwight, and Kobe, YES
but because if not CP3 we can get a lot of assets with them
yes even with old kobe in a multi trade or easier to survive without him

now

Melo, NO
Harden, NO
Parker,NO
Westbrook, MAYBE
David Lee,NO
Duncan, NO unless we got a backup like Parker

Wade, even
Irving, even
Griffin, hes a binkie dont blame me, yes
Bosh, NO
Randolph, NO
Curry, NO because of Bradley
Love, YES
Tyson Chandler,NO
Marc Gasol,tough see....Parker

just to talk about something at this late hours

none of this will happend though

p.s I am trying to think franchise wise age, position and not only love
p.s.2. no money involved of course and thats the sin of doing this i know

Value-wise, Rondo isn't anywhere near Irving. Other than that, I could agree more or less.
Not trading for Love, though.