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Title: Suns taking offers for Gortat, Dudley , Beasley ?
Post by: rondohondo on January 08, 2013, 05:25:44 PM
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Phoenix Suns are exploring offers for Jared Dudley, Michael Beasley, and now Marcin Gortat. (Source: Sam Amico)


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now Sam Amico Sam Amico ‏@SamAmicoFSO

As I reported Monday, Suns extremely active, willing to trade anyone. Y! Sports now reporting Suns engaged in talks for Grizzlies' Rudy Gay.

http://twitter.com/SamAmicoFSO

We have to get Gortat if we can Keep Bradley IMO . I would hate to lose Sully, but the extra size and shot blocking that Gortat would provide would be more important IMO . Gortat is still relatively young and his contract would expire with KG and PP if we wanted to let him walk and free up a bunch of cap room .  He would be really good with Rondo in the pick and role and another anchor for the Defense.
Title: Re: Suns taking offers Gortat,Dudley , Beasley ?
Post by: esel1000 on January 08, 2013, 05:28:53 PM
it would be nice if we could somehow get him without trading either bradley or sully. maybe a package of bass and some first round picks or something.
Title: Re: Suns taking offers Gortat,Dudley , Beasley ?
Post by: rondohondo on January 08, 2013, 05:31:03 PM
it would be nice if we could somehow get him without trading either bradley or sully. maybe a package of bass and some first round picks or something.

yea dream scenario would be Bass or Lee and melo plus a 1st for gortat
Title: Re: Suns taking offers for Gortat, Dudley , Beasley ?
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on January 08, 2013, 05:31:17 PM
I just can't give up Sully for him, maybe I'm too much of a homer but I don't think we need a move that big. Plus if we did trade Sully we'd have to include somebody else as there's about a 6 mill difference in Gortat/Sully's contracts
Title: Re: Suns taking offers for Gortat, Dudley , Beasley ?
Post by: cman88 on January 08, 2013, 05:31:51 PM
would I trade Sullinger in a package for a star? yes

Gortat is no star...he's an above average center..I'm not sure of the fascination with him on this board like he is some sort of star/savior.

Ainge is riding a line between building for the future and competing now...and trading your quality young assets that could help you in the future for help "now" is not something ainge would/should do IMO
Title: Re: Suns taking offers Gortat,Dudley , Beasley ?
Post by: j804 on January 08, 2013, 05:31:56 PM
it would be nice if we could somehow get him without trading either bradley or sully. maybe a package of bass and some first round picks or something.

yea dream scenario would be Bass or Lee and melo plus a 1st for gortat
I'd hate to give up Lee he's growing on me his defense and all around game are getting better by each game
Title: Re: Suns taking offers Gortat,Dudley , Beasley ?
Post by: kozlodoev on January 08, 2013, 05:32:01 PM
it would be nice if we could somehow get him without trading either bradley or sully. maybe a package of bass and some first round picks or something.
The Suns are looking to dump Gortat's contract. Bass comes with a longer obligation and more money overall on his deal.
Title: Re: Suns taking offers for Gortat, Dudley , Beasley ?
Post by: PhoSita on January 08, 2013, 05:32:09 PM
I'd love to get Gortat.  He would be great for this team.

But at this point, I wouldn't trade for him unless we could do it without having to give up Bradley or Sullinger.

Giving up one of those guys should only be if the Celtics can get an All-Star caliber player in return.  Since that seems unlikely, I wouldn't move either.
Title: Re: Suns taking offers Gortat,Dudley , Beasley ?
Post by: cman88 on January 08, 2013, 05:33:07 PM
it would be nice if we could somehow get him without trading either bradley or sully. maybe a package of bass and some first round picks or something.

yea dream scenario would be Bass or Lee and melo plus a 1st for gortat
I'd hate to give up Lee he's growing on me his defense and all around game are getting better by each game

you are filling one hole, but building another one somewhere else(defense on the bench)

the C's are better off making a minor move in getting an improvement over Collins
Title: Re: Suns taking offers for Gortat, Dudley , Beasley ?
Post by: Birdman on January 08, 2013, 05:35:26 PM
Phoenix hasnt been right since they let Amare walk for nothing in return..they should have traded him for picks and a young player..if a player said he may not be back (Bosh also) u better trade him!
Title: Re: Suns taking offers for Gortat, Dudley , Beasley ?
Post by: PhoSita on January 08, 2013, 05:38:33 PM
Phoenix hasnt been right since they let Amare walk for nothing in return..they should have traded him for picks and a young player..if a player said he may not be back (Bosh also) u better trade him!

Considering they were a legit contender in 2009-2010 and took the eventual champion Lakers to 6 games in the WCF (very competitive), I think they probably feel okay about keeping him that year.  That was a really quality playoff run.
Title: Re: Suns taking offers for Gortat, Dudley , Beasley ?
Post by: celts10 on January 08, 2013, 05:39:23 PM
Since we've been playing the best ball of the season the past three games, Ainge should be very careful with any deal he makes. With that said, I'd still love to have Gortat on the team but that means KG moves back to PF. Based on what we've seen last season and now, Garnett really excels at the center position at this point in his career.
Title: Re: Suns taking offers Gortat,Dudley , Beasley ?
Post by: Sizzlack on January 08, 2013, 05:40:39 PM
it would be nice if we could somehow get him without trading either bradley or sully. maybe a package of bass and some first round picks or something.
The Suns are looking to dump Gortat's contract. Bass comes with a longer obligation and more money overall on his deal.

Lee and Melo plus 1st round pick, Suns are looking to trade him anyway, they get a young, fairly cheap SG who is an instant upgrade to a position of need for them (Lee is lightyears better than Dudeley), a promising prospect in Melo, and a first round pick.

If I'm Phx, I do that, in a heartbeat. If I'm Danny, I pull the trigger ASAP.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=d3yh5gc

Suns also save 1mil in the deal this year and next, add 6mil overall, but get a starting caliber SG for the price.
Title: Re: Suns taking offers for Gortat, Dudley , Beasley ?
Post by: celts10 on January 08, 2013, 05:41:10 PM
Ainge is riding a line between building for the future and competing now...and trading your quality young assets that could help you in the future for help "now" is not something ainge would/should do IMO

Agreed. We were an Avery Bradley short from reaching the Finals last season. Okay, okay, maybe a Jeff Green and Chris Wilcox short, too.  ;)
Title: Re: Suns taking offers for Gortat, Dudley , Beasley ?
Post by: Smutzy#9 on January 08, 2013, 05:41:29 PM
Bass Terry Melo possibly some picks.
Title: Re: Suns taking offers Gortat,Dudley , Beasley ?
Post by: ssspence on January 08, 2013, 05:44:34 PM
it would be nice if we could somehow get him without trading either bradley or sully. maybe a package of bass and some first round picks or something.
The Suns are looking to dump Gortat's contract. Bass comes with a longer obligation and more money overall on his deal.

The Suns are not looking to dump Gortat's contract -- his deal is one of the most reasonable in the league.

They're looking to trade a good player on a good contract who hates playing there.

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With the reports about PHX interest in Gay, the following continues to make sense for each team:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=aaf8xkk
Title: Re: Suns taking offers Gortat,Dudley , Beasley ?
Post by: rondohondo on January 08, 2013, 05:53:18 PM
it would be nice if we could somehow get him without trading either bradley or sully. maybe a package of bass and some first round picks or something.
The Suns are looking to dump Gortat's contract. Bass comes with a longer obligation and more money overall on his deal.

The Suns are not looking to dump Gortat's contract -- his deal is one of the most reasonable in the league.

They're looking to trade a good player on a good contract who hates playing there.

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With the reports about PHX interest in Gay, the following continues to make sense for each team:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=aaf8xkk

We need Terry's shooting to much. Other than PP, he is our only other consistent 3 point and clutch shooter.
Title: Re: Suns taking offers Gortat,Dudley , Beasley ?
Post by: ssspence on January 08, 2013, 06:02:50 PM
it would be nice if we could somehow get him without trading either bradley or sully. maybe a package of bass and some first round picks or something.
The Suns are looking to dump Gortat's contract. Bass comes with a longer obligation and more money overall on his deal.

The Suns are not looking to dump Gortat's contract -- his deal is one of the most reasonable in the league.

They're looking to trade a good player on a good contract who hates playing there.

----------------------------------------------

With the reports about PHX interest in Gay, the following continues to make sense for each team:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=aaf8xkk

We need Terry's shooting to much. Other than PP, he is our only other consistent 3 point and clutch shooter.

Don't agree. He's expendable for a starting NBA 5, especially when it means we can move KG back to the 4 for significant stretches.
Title: Re: Suns taking offers for Gortat, Dudley , Beasley ?
Post by: Mr October on January 08, 2013, 07:40:33 PM
Bradley and Lee's defense is excellent on the perimeter. And I am amazed with Sullinger's rapid growth over the past month. I'd hesitate to part with any of those 3 players, all of which are on nice contracts.

So far i am content to see this Celtic roster make a run. If something spectacular falls from the sky, sure. But I really, really like these 3 players.

A lot rests on Wilcox's shoulders. Will he be healthy enough to keep Collins on the bench when the C's play big teams?
Title: Re: Suns taking offers for Gortat, Dudley , Beasley ?
Post by: pearljammer10 on January 08, 2013, 07:55:04 PM
At this point the only player I'm looking to deal for an upgrade would be Bass. Gotta keep Bradley, would also like to keep sully and even Lee. If it came down to a team wanting bass and lee plus picks for their center than I do it I guess. But lee has been good for us.
Title: Re: Suns taking offers Gortat,Dudley , Beasley ?
Post by: jdz101 on January 08, 2013, 08:01:58 PM
it would be nice if we could somehow get him without trading either bradley or sully. maybe a package of bass and some first round picks or something.
The Suns are looking to dump Gortat's contract. Bass comes with a longer obligation and more money overall on his deal.

The Suns are not looking to dump Gortat's contract -- his deal is one of the most reasonable in the league.

They're looking to trade a good player on a good contract who hates playing there.

----------------------------------------------

With the reports about PHX interest in Gay, the following continues to make sense for each team:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=aaf8xkk

We need Terry's shooting to much. Other than PP, he is our only other consistent 3 point and clutch shooter.

Don't agree. He's expendable for a starting NBA 5, especially when it means we can move KG back to the 4 for significant stretches.

I disagree with you disagreeing. In order for a starting NBA 5 to be most effective, you need to space the floor for him with outside shooters.

Furthermore KG at the 4 doesn't work as a 1 on 1 defender. Too slow for stretch 4s. Let's face it, the whole league is playing stretch 4s these days.
Title: Re: Suns taking offers for Gortat, Dudley , Beasley ?
Post by: rocknrollforyoursoul on January 08, 2013, 08:04:10 PM
I, too, am starting to like Lee more. If the Cs keep playing as they have been the last 3 games, I don't want to get rid of any of them ... yet I would love to have another legit 7-footer such as Gortat, or even Dalembert or Mozgov, for insurance if nothing else, because as much as I love Wilcox, he's injury prone.

Maybe I'm just too sentimental, but I want to hang on to Bradley and Sully, and even Fab. But I guess I'd be okay with trading Fab and draft picks (if anyone would take that deal) for a solid C.
Title: Re: Suns taking offers Gortat,Dudley , Beasley ?
Post by: CelticG1 on January 08, 2013, 08:04:41 PM
it would be nice if we could somehow get him without trading either bradley or sully. maybe a package of bass and some first round picks or something.
The Suns are looking to dump Gortat's contract. Bass comes with a longer obligation and more money overall on his deal.

The Suns are not looking to dump Gortat's contract -- his deal is one of the most reasonable in the league.

They're looking to trade a good player on a good contract who hates playing there.

----------------------------------------------

With the reports about PHX interest in Gay, the following continues to make sense for each team:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=aaf8xkk

We need Terry's shooting to much. Other than PP, he is our only other consistent 3 point and clutch shooter.

Don't agree. He's expendable for a starting NBA 5, especially when it means we can move KG back to the 4 for significant stretches.

I disagree with you disagreeing. In order for a starting NBA 5 to be most effective, you need to space the floor for him with outside shooters.

Furthermore KG at the 4 doesn't work as a 1 on 1 defender. Too slow for stretch 4s. Let's face it, the whole league is playing stretch 4s these days.

Not trying to bash Terry but he has been terrible.

If you are convinced that he will become extremely effective than I can agree otherwise he brings almost nothing else to the table. If we are looking for 3 point shooting I'm sure we can find someone else to spread the floor
Title: Re: Suns taking offers for Gortat, Dudley , Beasley ?
Post by: RJ87 on January 08, 2013, 08:11:23 PM
Call me crazy,  but I'd still take a chance on Beasley.  Play him primarily at the 4 and an environment with tons of vets can get through to him. He's still pretty young at 23.
Title: Re: Suns taking offers for Gortat, Dudley , Beasley ?
Post by: Clench123 on January 08, 2013, 08:17:21 PM
We should go after Gortat
Title: Re: Suns taking offers for Gortat, Dudley , Beasley ?
Post by: pp34isthe1 on January 08, 2013, 08:21:48 PM
Call me crazy,  but I'd still take a chance on Beasley.  Play him primarily at the 4 and an environment with tons of vets can get through to him. He's still pretty young at 23.

I like Beasley as well. He just hasnt ever been in the right environment. His surroundings determine his success and being on lottery teams isnt helping. Being on a contender would rejuvenate his career imo.
Title: Re: Suns taking offers for Gortat, Dudley , Beasley ?
Post by: ScoobyDoo on January 08, 2013, 08:40:44 PM
I think Fab Melo may be way better than Gortat in 2 years time. Let's remember, Gortat is currently averaging 11 points and 8 rebounds a game. He is good, not great.

If we could get Beasely or Dudley and Gortat for somethig like Jeff Green, Bass and a 1st round pick I'd consider the trade for Gortat.

But I still think Green is going to be a really good fit on this team as it gets more and more uptempo as Pierce and KG go the next 1-2 years from now...

I'd really like to do something more along the lines of a couple picks for Dalembert or just some smaller move to get one more half decent 7 footer in here.

I dont' want to trade Melo yet either - his ceiling could be high. Much higher than Gortat's.
Title: Re: Suns taking offers Gortat,Dudley , Beasley ?
Post by: ssspence on January 08, 2013, 09:19:34 PM
it would be nice if we could somehow get him without trading either bradley or sully. maybe a package of bass and some first round picks or something.
The Suns are looking to dump Gortat's contract. Bass comes with a longer obligation and more money overall on his deal.

The Suns are not looking to dump Gortat's contract -- his deal is one of the most reasonable in the league.

They're looking to trade a good player on a good contract who hates playing there.

----------------------------------------------

With the reports about PHX interest in Gay, the following continues to make sense for each team:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=aaf8xkk

We need Terry's shooting to much. Other than PP, he is our only other consistent 3 point and clutch shooter.

Don't agree. He's expendable for a starting NBA 5, especially when it means we can move KG back to the 4 for significant stretches.

I disagree with you disagreeing. In order for a starting NBA 5 to be most effective, you need to space the floor for him with outside shooters.

Furthermore KG at the 4 doesn't work as a 1 on 1 defender. Too slow for stretch 4s. Let's face it, the whole league is playing stretch 4s these days.

Won't comment on the above. My point remains correct: Gortat would be considerably more valuable to the Cs than Terry is.

If Phoenix called up today and offered a straight up Gortat for Terry swap, Ainge would take it 7 days a week and twice on Sunday. 
Title: Re: Suns taking offers for Gortat, Dudley , Beasley ?
Post by: Quinn on January 08, 2013, 09:27:07 PM
Jason terry is going to win playoff games for us. That's why he got the 2nd LOB trophy tattooed on his arm. In the regular season we can't expect to fully see or expect to see come playoff time. He's a post season warrior and an important piece to this teams hopes for a title
Title: Re: Suns taking offers for Gortat, Dudley , Beasley ?
Post by: barefacedmonk on January 08, 2013, 09:49:42 PM
On an unrelated note, I read the Knicks have shown interest in Kenyon Martin with Sheed's lingering injury.
Title: Re: Suns taking offers Gortat,Dudley , Beasley ?
Post by: jdz101 on January 08, 2013, 10:46:44 PM
it would be nice if we could somehow get him without trading either bradley or sully. maybe a package of bass and some first round picks or something.
The Suns are looking to dump Gortat's contract. Bass comes with a longer obligation and more money overall on his deal.

The Suns are not looking to dump Gortat's contract -- his deal is one of the most reasonable in the league.

They're looking to trade a good player on a good contract who hates playing there.

----------------------------------------------

With the reports about PHX interest in Gay, the following continues to make sense for each team:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=aaf8xkk

We need Terry's shooting to much. Other than PP, he is our only other consistent 3 point and clutch shooter.

Don't agree. He's expendable for a starting NBA 5, especially when it means we can move KG back to the 4 for significant stretches.

I disagree with you disagreeing. In order for a starting NBA 5 to be most effective, you need to space the floor for him with outside shooters.

Furthermore KG at the 4 doesn't work as a 1 on 1 defender. Too slow for stretch 4s. Let's face it, the whole league is playing stretch 4s these days.

Won't comment on the above. My point remains correct: Gortat would be considerably more valuable to the Cs than Terry is.

If Phoenix called up today and offered a straight up Gortat for Terry swap, Ainge would take it 7 days a week and twice on Sunday.

Phoenix won't do that though. You'll have to offer them a young player or a pick aswell.

There are rondo for Gortat + pieces ideas on here. The amount that people overrate centers on this board is absurd.

Miami didn't have a single center worth anything on the roster and they crapped all over the thunder with Perkins and ibaka starting in the finals.
Title: Re: Suns taking offers Gortat,Dudley , Beasley ?
Post by: Smutzy#9 on January 08, 2013, 11:27:16 PM
it would be nice if we could somehow get him without trading either bradley or sully. maybe a package of bass and some first round picks or something.
The Suns are looking to dump Gortat's contract. Bass comes with a longer obligation and more money overall on his deal.

The Suns are not looking to dump Gortat's contract -- his deal is one of the most reasonable in the league.

They're looking to trade a good player on a good contract who hates playing there.

----------------------------------------------

With the reports about PHX interest in Gay, the following continues to make sense for each team:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=aaf8xkk

We need Terry's shooting to much. Other than PP, he is our only other consistent 3 point and clutch shooter.

Don't agree. He's expendable for a starting NBA 5, especially when it means we can move KG back to the 4 for significant stretches.

I disagree with you disagreeing. In order for a starting NBA 5 to be most effective, you need to space the floor for him with outside shooters.

Furthermore KG at the 4 doesn't work as a 1 on 1 defender. Too slow for stretch 4s. Let's face it, the whole league is playing stretch 4s these days.

Won't comment on the above. My point remains correct: Gortat would be considerably more valuable to the Cs than Terry is.

If Phoenix called up today and offered a straight up Gortat for Terry swap, Ainge would take it 7 days a week and twice on Sunday.

Phoenix won't do that though. You'll have to offer them a young player or a pick aswell.

There are rondo for Gortat + pieces ideas on here. The amount that people overrate centers on this board is absurd.

Miami didn't have a single center worth anything on the roster and they crapped all over the thunder with Perkins and ibaka starting in the finals.

agree as much i would love to see the prime days of bigs being bigs and standing near the rim crashing boards and doing post moves the NBA just isnt that anymore

Its become a guard orientated league that relies on penetration and kick out style players Hence why Miller splashed OKC last year.

In all honesty i could see Gortat coming here and then a month later people would consider it as worse as the jeff green trade (we came out in front with that trade i still believe)
Title: Re: Suns taking offers for Gortat, Dudley , Beasley ?
Post by: TripleOT on January 08, 2013, 11:51:01 PM
Of the deals in this thread so far, the threeway deal with Memphis where the Cs get Gortat, the Suns Gay and Melo, and the Griz Terry, Dudley and Collins makes the most sense.

Dudley is cost controlled the next three season at around $4m per.  Terry is relatively affordable the next two years at $5m per, and would be tradeable in the offseason if needed.  I would think that Memphis would want a pick, but making this move saves them millions of dollars in luxtax, and actually gives them more perimeter punch, which they need.

The Suns the their man in Gay, and get a promising young true center in Melo.  Boston gives up some perimeter punch in Terry, but they can play Lee and AB more minutes and give the scraps to Barboza.  You've got to give something to get something, and there's a more glaring need at the pivot. 

The other thing the Cs could do to entice the Suns is to take on Beasley, who has 2 years at $6m after this one. Green and one of Lee/Terry/Bass should get it done.     

Title: Re: Suns taking offers for Gortat, Dudley , Beasley ?
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on January 09, 2013, 12:04:40 AM
Id be willing to take on Beasley's contract for Jeff Greeb if it means landing Gortat.

As bad as he is, he is still a scoring threat off the bench. And Gortat will help our defense dramatically, it's a risk I'll be willing to take.
Title: Re: Suns taking offers for Gortat, Dudley , Beasley ?
Post by: jdz101 on January 09, 2013, 12:53:52 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ri4T-DdJJlE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIq6QaGs1as

We lost a huge clutch shot maker in the offseason. One of the best ever. Terry is a heck of a replacement though.

Clutch shotmakers like Ray and Jet dont grow on trees. And Jet definitely should not be considered trade bait for an unproven euro center who hasn't even been near deep playoff pressure.

Dont get caught up in 4 or 5 poor shooting nights from terry and immediately chuck him into trade scenarios. People on here are far too short sighted when players are in a form slump.
Title: Re: Suns taking offers Gortat,Dudley , Beasley ?
Post by: ssspence on January 09, 2013, 12:54:04 AM
it would be nice if we could somehow get him without trading either bradley or sully. maybe a package of bass and some first round picks or something.
The Suns are looking to dump Gortat's contract. Bass comes with a longer obligation and more money overall on his deal.

The Suns are not looking to dump Gortat's contract -- his deal is one of the most reasonable in the league.

They're looking to trade a good player on a good contract who hates playing there.

----------------------------------------------

With the reports about PHX interest in Gay, the following continues to make sense for each team:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=aaf8xkk

We need Terry's shooting to much. Other than PP, he is our only other consistent 3 point and clutch shooter.

Don't agree. He's expendable for a starting NBA 5, especially when it means we can move KG back to the 4 for significant stretches.

I disagree with you disagreeing. In order for a starting NBA 5 to be most effective, you need to space the floor for him with outside shooters.

Furthermore KG at the 4 doesn't work as a 1 on 1 defender. Too slow for stretch 4s. Let's face it, the whole league is playing stretch 4s these days.

Won't comment on the above. My point remains correct: Gortat would be considerably more valuable to the Cs than Terry is.

If Phoenix called up today and offered a straight up Gortat for Terry swap, Ainge would take it 7 days a week and twice on Sunday.

Phoenix won't do that though. You'll have to offer them a young player or a pick aswell.

There are rondo for Gortat + pieces ideas on here. The amount that people overrate centers on this board is absurd.

Miami didn't have a single center worth anything on the roster and they crapped all over the thunder with Perkins and ibaka starting in the finals.

agree as much i would love to see the prime days of bigs being bigs and standing near the rim crashing boards and doing post moves the NBA just isnt that anymore

Its become a guard orientated league that relies on penetration and kick out style players Hence why Miller splashed OKC last year.

In all honesty i could see Gortat coming here and then a month later people would consider it as worse as the jeff green trade (we came out in front with that trade i still believe)

Thread has reached nadir. Time to move on. Peace.
Title: Re: Suns taking offers for Gortat, Dudley , Beasley ?
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on January 09, 2013, 08:55:35 AM
Since we've been playing the best ball of the season the past three games, Ainge should be very careful with any deal he makes. With that said, I'd still love to have Gortat on the team but that means KG moves back to PF. Based on what we've seen last season and now, Garnett really excels at the center position at this point in his career.

not really. only if we wanted to go big. keep them both at the 5 and play each 24 minutes. how about that for keeping both fresh? or play whomever is hot longer. we would then have to decide on either, sully or bass along with wilcox at the 4. whomever is not traded.
Title: Re: Suns taking offers for Gortat, Dudley , Beasley ?
Post by: CFAN38 on January 09, 2013, 09:04:39 AM
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The Suns are looking to dump Gortat's contract. Bass comes with a longer obligation and more money overall on his deal.

I may be wrong but I don't think the Suns are simply looking to dump gortat's contract. It seems to me since they are going after Gay that they want to have a "sexier lineup" meaning some name recognition to draw in fans.

I could see the Suns doing the following

Dudly, W Johnson, Telfair and a 1st
 
for

Gay

then they could move Scola (who is 32) to a contender for a starting caliber SG.

maybe a trade with denver for wilson chandler when he returns?

That would give the suns a big team with a core of Gay (26), Gragic(26), Gortat (28) and Chandler (25)
Title: Re: Suns taking offers Gortat,Dudley , Beasley ?
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on January 09, 2013, 09:12:28 AM
it would be nice if we could somehow get him without trading either bradley or sully. maybe a package of bass and some first round picks or something.
The Suns are looking to dump Gortat's contract. Bass comes with a longer obligation and more money overall on his deal.

The Suns are not looking to dump Gortat's contract -- his deal is one of the most reasonable in the league.

They're looking to trade a good player on a good contract who hates playing there.

----------------------------------------------

With the reports about PHX interest in Gay, the following continues to make sense for each team:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=aaf8xkk

We need Terry's shooting to much. Other than PP, he is our only other consistent 3 point and clutch shooter.

Don't agree. He's expendable for a starting NBA 5, especially when it means we can move KG back to the 4 for significant stretches.

I disagree with you disagreeing. In order for a starting NBA 5 to be most effective, you need to space the floor for him with outside shooters.

Furthermore KG at the 4 doesn't work as a 1 on 1 defender. Too slow for stretch 4s. Let's face it, the whole league is playing stretch 4s these days.

Won't comment on the above. My point remains correct: Gortat would be considerably more valuable to the Cs than Terry is.

If Phoenix called up today and offered a straight up Gortat for Terry swap, Ainge would take it 7 days a week and twice on Sunday.

Phoenix won't do that though. You'll have to offer them a young player or a pick aswell.

There are rondo for Gortat + pieces ideas on here. The amount that people overrate centers on this board is absurd.

Miami didn't have a single center worth anything on the roster and they crapped all over the thunder with Perkins and ibaka starting in the finals.

ahh yes starting is the key word. Ibaka is not a center anyways. who was in there when perk was out? Just because they could not get it done does not mean we can't with two good centers, one in at all times along with Ab on the perimeter. WHo was OKC's AB on the perimeter? exactly.
Title: Re: Suns taking offers Gortat,Dudley , Beasley ?
Post by: Roy H. on January 09, 2013, 09:14:19 AM
WHo was OKC's AB on the perimeter? exactly.

Thabo Sefolosha, who is a top-5 perimeter defender and who has more length than Bradley.

I agree with your greater point that just because OKC couldn't get it done last year doesn't mean the Heat are invulnerable.
Title: Re: Suns taking offers Gortat,Dudley , Beasley ?
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on January 09, 2013, 09:15:38 AM
it would be nice if we could somehow get him without trading either bradley or sully. maybe a package of bass and some first round picks or something.
The Suns are looking to dump Gortat's contract. Bass comes with a longer obligation and more money overall on his deal.

The Suns are not looking to dump Gortat's contract -- his deal is one of the most reasonable in the league.

They're looking to trade a good player on a good contract who hates playing there.

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With the reports about PHX interest in Gay, the following continues to make sense for each team:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=aaf8xkk

We need Terry's shooting to much. Other than PP, he is our only other consistent 3 point and clutch shooter.

Don't agree. He's expendable for a starting NBA 5, especially when it means we can move KG back to the 4 for significant stretches.

I disagree with you disagreeing. In order for a starting NBA 5 to be most effective, you need to space the floor for him with outside shooters.

Furthermore KG at the 4 doesn't work as a 1 on 1 defender. Too slow for stretch 4s. Let's face it, the whole league is playing stretch 4s these days.

Won't comment on the above. My point remains correct: Gortat would be considerably more valuable to the Cs than Terry is.

If Phoenix called up today and offered a straight up Gortat for Terry swap, Ainge would take it 7 days a week and twice on Sunday.

Phoenix won't do that though. You'll have to offer them a young player or a pick aswell.

There are rondo for Gortat + pieces ideas on here. The amount that people overrate centers on this board is absurd.

Miami didn't have a single center worth anything on the roster and they crapped all over the thunder with Perkins and ibaka starting in the finals.

agree as much i would love to see the prime days of bigs being bigs and standing near the rim crashing boards and doing post moves the NBA just isnt that anymore

Its become a guard orientated league that relies on penetration and kick out style players Hence why Miller splashed OKC last year.

In all honesty i could see Gortat coming here and then a month later people would consider it as worse as the jeff green trade (we came out in front with that trade i still believe)

for every pro there is a con and a way to defeat something. If you have bigs who can play the 5 and block shots of dribble drivers and perimeter D which can slow down the kick out jumpers well then there you go. There is always a way. Not to mention bigs who can destroy the smaller guys in the post down low on the offensive end.
Title: Re: Suns taking offers Gortat,Dudley , Beasley ?
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on January 09, 2013, 09:24:44 AM
WHo was OKC's AB on the perimeter? exactly.

Thabo Sefolosha, who is a top-5 perimeter defender and who has more length than Bradley.

I agree with your greater point that just because OKC couldn't get it done last year doesn't mean the Heat are invulnerable.
Thanks, i forgot he was a perimeter guy. agreed and like I said, Ibaka is not a 5 and maybe perk just sucked that series? they had no good presence at the 5 after perk from the bench to defend maybe? or maybe the heat just took it to them? maybe both? BIG ball can beat the heat you just have to have the guys to get it done. not scrubs. nobody is beating the heat at small ball. that is their game. too many mismatches. too much talent.
Title: Re: Suns taking offers Gortat,Dudley , Beasley ?
Post by: RyNye on January 09, 2013, 09:35:01 AM
agree as much i would love to see the prime days of bigs being bigs and standing near the rim crashing boards and doing post moves the NBA just isnt that anymore

Its become a guard orientated league that relies on penetration and kick out style players Hence why Miller splashed OKC last year.

In all honesty i could see Gortat coming here and then a month later people would consider it as worse as the jeff green trade (we came out in front with that trade i still believe)

Disagreed.

This whole "small ball" meme really irritates me. There is no secret to winning in the NBA besides having good basketball players. All the stuff the media goes on about with "small ball" and there no longer being post men are non sequitirs.

There is nothing about the way the game is played now that makes having a good big man irrelevant, and there is nothing about the way the game is played that overrates having a big man. If a player is good, regardless of position or style of play, he will help the team. It is about finding good players to play together and finding a system that works for that group of players.

Saying that the league is headed in a certain direction is usually something the media makes up because they have nothing better to talk about. Yes, most of the super-stars in the league at the moment are wing players. But that doesn't mean the game is any different, it just means the balance of stars is off at the moment, and when the next crop of stars comes along it will be different again.
Title: Re: Suns taking offers Gortat,Dudley , Beasley ?
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on January 09, 2013, 09:36:39 AM
WHo was OKC's AB on the perimeter? exactly.

Thabo Sefolosha, who is a top-5 perimeter defender and who has more length than Bradley.

I agree with your greater point that just because OKC couldn't get it done last year doesn't mean the Heat are invulnerable.

They were over relying on that sole wing defender. He also played only 9 minutes in the last game.

Behind him they had Harden, who's not a good defender, and considering Miami's two-headed monster at the wings, one good defender is not good enough. Particularly when your other guard getting minutes is Derek Fisher.

This is the importance of keeping someone like Lee, he's key to our roster, even with Bradley around. They'll at least insure that Wade at the very least has a very good defender on him at all times.

Not to take anything away from Thabo, but the difference between Bradley and all other great defenders, is that Bradley is also a complete pest. His defense is aggressive, while most other good defenders are simply good contesters. And that's a bit different.
Title: Re: Suns taking offers Gortat,Dudley , Beasley ?
Post by: Fafnir on January 09, 2013, 09:37:38 AM
WHo was OKC's AB on the perimeter? exactly.

Thabo Sefolosha, who is a top-5 perimeter defender and who has more length than Bradley.

I agree with your greater point that just because OKC couldn't get it done last year doesn't mean the Heat are invulnerable.
What Thabo hasn't been able to do for the OKC is be that stopper and not compromise their otherwise stellar offense.

Though that's probably due to Thabo + Perkins in combination.
Title: Re: Suns taking offers Gortat,Dudley , Beasley ?
Post by: Roy H. on January 09, 2013, 09:55:03 AM
WHo was OKC's AB on the perimeter? exactly.

Thabo Sefolosha, who is a top-5 perimeter defender and who has more length than Bradley.

I agree with your greater point that just because OKC couldn't get it done last year doesn't mean the Heat are invulnerable.
What Thabo hasn't been able to do for the OKC is be that stopper and not compromise their otherwise stellar offense.

Though that's probably due to Thabo + Perkins in combination.

The offense has been clicking pretty well with Thabo in there this year.  The Thunder have a 113.2 offensive rating while he's in there, only a small dip from when he's on the bench.  The defense is markedly better, though (101.3 pts/allowed per 100 possessions with him on the court, versus 108.7 pts/allowed per 100 with him out of the game.)

I definitely prefer Bradley as an offensive player over Thabo, though.  Thabo has a reliable 3 point shot, but that's about it.