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Title: Am I the only one who really wants no part of Demarcus "ME ME ME" Cousins?
Post by: tonyto3690 on January 07, 2013, 02:57:40 PM
The kid is talented, sure.  But so was Jamarcus Russell. Granted Cousins has shown a lot more than Jamarcus ever did, but it's the same loser mentality of me first that we've seen so many times.  For a team that has been all about sacrificing for the team and ubuntu since KG got here, WHY ARE WE SO DESPERATELY TRYING TO DESTROY THAT?

That sense of team first and sacrificing for the greater good is what has given us the edge for the past 5 years.  It's the biggest reason we were competitive against Kobe's stacked teams and LBJ/Wade.  We played a team concept with great team defense with unselfish players who were committed to winning before getting their touches.

Cousins has to be one of the least likable players in the NBA behind Wade and Carmelo.  That isn't some random hate everyone in the world just randomly decided to dislike him for no reason.  He's selfish, a lockerroom cancer, and a career loser.

Maybe in 5 years this would change but he hasn't really shown any reason why we should beleive that.  This past week of good behavior proves absolutely nothing.
Title: Re: Am I the only one who really wants no part of Demarcus "ME ME ME" Cousins?
Post by: Chris on January 07, 2013, 02:59:00 PM
For a team that has been all about sacrificing for the team and ubuntu since KG got here, WHY ARE WE SO DESPERATELY TRYING TO DESTROY THAT?


Well, the problem is, I think we have seen about 6 quarters of Ubuntu so far this season.  So, it feels a bit like it has already been destroyed, and what they are looking for now, is the best way to move on.
Title: Re: Am I the only one who really wants no part of Demarcus "ME ME ME" Cousins?
Post by: wdleehi on January 07, 2013, 02:59:20 PM
Get the young talent in now and let him learn the importance of being unselfish by well respect guys that have already done it. 
Title: Re: Am I the only one who really wants no part of Demarcus "ME ME ME" Cousins?
Post by: D.o.s. on January 07, 2013, 03:03:41 PM
Get the young talent in now and let him learn the importance of being unselfish by well respect guys that have already done it.

Precisely. I have faith that putting DMC on a winning team with a positive culture would solve a lot of the chemistry issues affecting him at the moment.

Being stuck on a perpetually rudderless team like the kings (or the wizards) has got to be a rough stint--witness JaVale and Nick Young saying they'd been let out on good behavior when they got out of washington.
Title: Re: Am I the only one who really wants no part of Demarcus "ME ME ME" Cousins?
Post by: wdleehi on January 07, 2013, 03:04:28 PM
Get the young talent in now and let him learn the importance of being unselfish by well respect guys that have already done it.

Precisely. I have faith that putting DMC on a winning team with a positive culture would solve a lot of the chemistry issues affecting him at the moment.

Being stuck on a perpetually rudderless team like the kings (or the wizards) has got to be a rough stint--witness JaVale and Nick Young saying they'd been let out on good behavior when they got out of washington.


Bad examples
Title: Re: Am I the only one who really wants no part of Demarcus "ME ME ME" Cousins?
Post by: celts55 on January 07, 2013, 03:08:39 PM
I don't know if you're the only one, but I think you're one of the few.
Title: Re: Am I the only one who really wants no part of Demarcus "ME ME ME" Cousins?
Post by: tonyto3690 on January 07, 2013, 03:10:09 PM
While I do agree that there is something to be said about KG/Doc's effect on him, the report on Cousins is that the issues aren't just professional.  The report is that he has serious internal personal issues that he needs serious counseling for.  KG can not play therapist.  He can play teacher and even enforcer but not therapist.
Title: Re: Am I the only one who really wants no part of Demarcus "ME ME ME" Cousins?
Post by: CFAN38 on January 07, 2013, 03:13:21 PM
I may not like the way Cousin's has acted as a pro but that isnt stopping me from crossing my figures that danny can pull of a miracle. Getting Cousin's is a celts uniform while keeping AB would be huge.

If he keeps him head straight the Cs stay playoff relevant for 10 more years. We would have a top 5 PG a top 5 center and a 1st team all defense guard to form a new team around.
Title: Re: Am I the only one who really wants no part of Demarcus "ME ME ME" Cousins?
Post by: Master Po on January 07, 2013, 03:14:16 PM
I hope he wears No Celtic green..other fish in the sea
Title: Re: Am I the only one who really wants no part of Demarcus "ME ME ME" Cousins?
Post by: Roy H. on January 07, 2013, 03:24:09 PM
I don't like guys who come into the league with a bad attitude. 

At the same time, Rondo was described as arrogant, uncoachable, as somebody his teammates "hated", etc.  There are a ton of great players -- many of whom are in the Hall of Fame -- that had attitude issues.  The one good thing I keep reading about Cousins is that a lot of his frustrating actions come from a desire to win.

I'd roll the dice with him.  He's a heck of a lot better than Jason Collins.
Title: Re: Am I the only one who really wants no part of Demarcus "ME ME ME" Cousins?
Post by: tonyto3690 on January 07, 2013, 03:34:02 PM
I may not like the way Cousin's has acted as a pro but that isnt stopping me from crossing my figures that danny can pull of a miracle. Getting Cousin's is a celts uniform while keeping AB would be huge.

If he keeps him head straight the Cs stay playoff relevant for 10 more years. We would have a top 5 PG a top 5 center and a 1st team all defense guard to form a new team around.

There is no way we get him without giving up Bradley.
Title: Re: Am I the only one who really wants no part of Demarcus "ME ME ME" Cousins?
Post by: Roy H. on January 07, 2013, 03:38:05 PM
I may not like the way Cousin's has acted as a pro but that isnt stopping me from crossing my figures that danny can pull of a miracle. Getting Cousin's is a celts uniform while keeping AB would be huge.

If he keeps him head straight the Cs stay playoff relevant for 10 more years. We would have a top 5 PG a top 5 center and a 1st team all defense guard to form a new team around.

There is no way we get him without giving up Bradley.

Well, other than including Rondo, that is.
Title: Re: Am I the only one who really wants no part of Demarcus "ME ME ME" Cousins?
Post by: Spicoli on January 07, 2013, 03:39:12 PM
I personally feel as though Ubuntu was destroyed when Perkins got traded. It hasn't felt the same since. Even though i don't like Perkins as a player, the team had good chemistry with him. As far as this thread i agree with you. I'm not a fan of Cousins at all. I think he's a selfish player, and i don't like the fact that he shoots a low field goal percentage. I want Varajao more than anybody else out there.
Title: Re: Am I the only one who really wants no part of Demarcus "ME ME ME" Cousins?
Post by: clover on January 07, 2013, 03:42:08 PM
Here's a report on Rondo's relationship with Cousins and other reasons that the C's supposedly think they can well handle him:

http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba-am-celtics-making-a-blockbuster-trade/
Title: Re: Am I the only one who really wants no part of Demarcus "ME ME ME" Cousins?
Post by: CelticsFan9 on January 07, 2013, 04:10:51 PM
I don't want him either, but we really need a big.  If we have a chance to get him, I think Danny needs to pull the trigger.
Title: Re: Am I the only one who really wants no part of Demarcus "ME ME ME" Cousins?
Post by: Mr October on January 07, 2013, 04:18:53 PM
Demarcus Cousins appears to be Derrik Coleman 2.0. Super talented, and super immature/selfish big man.

He has the talent to be the best center in the NBA. But his attitude will hold him back.

If he is the cornerstone of your team making max money, your team will never be much better than those Coleman New Jersey teams. But is he is brought in as a high paid role player to support another superstar (hopefully 2), and a cast of high character teammates, you could have some 76ers Coleman-esque success.

I bet his career will follow stride for stride in Coleman's path.
Title: Re: Am I the only one who really wants no part of Demarcus "ME ME ME" Cousins?
Post by: Lucky17 on January 07, 2013, 04:23:56 PM
Demarcus Cousins appears to be Derrik Coleman 2.0. Super talented, and super immature/selfish big man.

He has the talent to be the best center in the NBA. But his attitude will hold him back.

If he is the cornerstone of your team making max money, your team will never be much better than those Coleman New Jersey teams. But is he is brought in as a high paid role player to support another superstar (hopefully 2), and a cast of high character teammates, you could have some 76ers Coleman-esque success.

I bet his career will follow stride for stride in Coleman's path.

TP. Terrific analogy, I think.
Title: Re: Am I the only one who really wants no part of Demarcus "ME ME ME" Cousins?
Post by: Chris on January 07, 2013, 04:29:48 PM
Demarcus Cousins appears to be Derrik Coleman 2.0. Super talented, and super immature/selfish big man.

He has the talent to be the best center in the NBA. But his attitude will hold him back.

If he is the cornerstone of your team making max money, your team will never be much better than those Coleman New Jersey teams. But is he is brought in as a high paid role player to support another superstar (hopefully 2), and a cast of high character teammates, you could have some 76ers Coleman-esque success.

I bet his career will follow stride for stride in Coleman's path.

See, I think he is Sheed.  Super talented, super crazy.

Coleman had a lot more lazy in him.  While Sheed and Cousins might also have some of that, they also have a super competitive streak and no self control, which is their real problem. 
Title: Re: Am I the only one who really wants no part of Demarcus "ME ME ME" Cousins?
Post by: PhoSita on January 07, 2013, 04:31:58 PM
The absolute, number one, ONLY reason I would not want a guy with supposed "character" issues, is if we're talking about a guy who supposedly doesn't care.  Somebody who just doesn't like playing basketball that much.

My understanding of Cousins is that he's a hot-head who sometimes lets his emotions get the better of him on the basketball court or when he's dealing with his coach.  If anything, it sounds like he cares too much at times.  He just needs to learn how to handle and channel his emotions properly.  Fine.

Give me talent.  You can teach character.  You can teach people to handle their emotions, to act more professionally.  You can't teach talent (or size).
Title: Re: Am I the only one who really wants no part of Demarcus "ME ME ME" Cousins?
Post by: lip413 on January 07, 2013, 04:37:04 PM
I have to disagree, i know emotionally he is immature, but his talent surpasses any package we could offer and is certainly worth the risk as long as we hold onto Rondo. Don't get me wrong I love Avery Bradley and may be Sully's #1 fan (i talk about him frequently on my podcast, i'll include link), but i think you gotta pull the trigger on this trade for the chance to add a franchise caliber center in this day and age of NBA basketball.
 
http://pickandpopdiaries.blogspot.com/2013/01/atlantic-division-roundup-celtics.html

I also threw in some trade ideas for Gortat and Varejao.  If we go after any big man, Sully is gone...maybe we hold onto Bradley if we go after Gortat.
Title: Re: Am I the only one who really wants no part of Demarcus "ME ME ME" Cousins?
Post by: ScottHow on January 07, 2013, 04:39:51 PM
The nba is full of me me me types. Cousins just happens to be a talented one. I want him
Title: Re: Am I the only one who really wants no part of Demarcus "ME ME ME" Cousins?
Post by: Mr October on January 07, 2013, 04:42:25 PM
Demarcus Cousins appears to be Derrik Coleman 2.0. Super talented, and super immature/selfish big man.

He has the talent to be the best center in the NBA. But his attitude will hold him back.

If he is the cornerstone of your team making max money, your team will never be much better than those Coleman New Jersey teams. But is he is brought in as a high paid role player to support another superstar (hopefully 2), and a cast of high character teammates, you could have some 76ers Coleman-esque success.

I bet his career will follow stride for stride in Coleman's path.

See, I think he is Sheed.  Super talented, super crazy.

Coleman had a lot more lazy in him.  While Sheed and Cousins might also have some of that, they also have a super competitive streak and no self control, which is their real problem.

Interesting. But the issue is still the same. Sheed / Coleman require a host of talented players around them so that he doesn't have to be the man. He just needs to be a super role player who exploits mismatches, and isn't responsible for more than that.

Title: Re: Am I the only one who really wants no part of Demarcus "ME ME ME" Cousins?
Post by: Chris on January 07, 2013, 04:42:45 PM
Bad timing with this thread...

(http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Rajon+Rondo+USA+Basketball+Showcase+6XGUJH0i7_al.jpg)
Title: Re: Am I the only one who really wants no part of Demarcus "ME ME ME" Cousins?
Post by: Mr October on January 07, 2013, 04:47:54 PM
And even though he is a proceed with caution player, I think I'd go for it. A Coleman/Sheed-esque center who can put you over the top for the price of Bradley, Sullinger, and a pick or so. It is so hard to find a star level center.

I think Sacramento is going to want more than that though. I think they are going to want a legit all star in return like Rondo. At that point, no deal.
Title: Re: Am I the only one who really wants no part of Demarcus "ME ME ME" Cousins?
Post by: PhoSita on January 07, 2013, 04:56:05 PM
Bad timing with this thread...

(http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Rajon+Rondo+USA+Basketball+Showcase+6XGUJH0i7_al.jpg)

Serious question -- what would be the league-wide opinion of Rondo if he had been drafted by a team like the Kings? 

Or if the KG trade had never happened and the team had gone into full-blown rebuilding w/ out Pierce instead? 

Would he have even been given the opportunity to develop into the player he is today without the chance to grow as a person beside hard-working, team-oriented players like KG and Ray Allen? 


Or would he already be on his third team, finally starting to put it together after being benched and / or suspended multiple times for his attitude?
Title: Re: Am I the only one who really wants no part of Demarcus "ME ME ME" Cousins?
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on January 07, 2013, 05:04:39 PM
I shudder at what we will probably have to give up in the event that we trade with SAC for Cousins, but his talent is undeniable.

As for his supposed issues - is DeMarcus Cousins' situation really any different than another "Former" malcontent talented big man:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaOQ1ZVkmf4

Funny what a change of scenery can do for someone.

Like I stated earlier - I shudder at what we will probably have to give up to get Cousins, but I'd be psyched to see him in Celtics Green next to Garnett, Rondo and Pierce.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRax7fkBr5o

Somebody like him could make things VERY EASY for KG....

I trust whatever Danny and Doc does.
Title: Re: Am I the only one who really wants no part of Demarcus "ME ME ME" Cousins?
Post by: JHTruth on January 07, 2013, 05:21:08 PM
I think I would pull the trigger on a Sully/Bradley for Cousins deal. Talented bigs still matter in this league unless you have LeBron or Durant. I think Melo/Cousins could be a nice frontline to build around with Rondo and Lee in the backcourt