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Around the League => Transaction Ideas and Rumors => Topic started by: SchnellHanse on January 07, 2013, 11:54:36 AM
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Boston Sends: Brandon Bass and Jason Terry
Denver Sends: Javale McGee
Rondo/Barbosa
Bradley/Lee
Pierce/Green
KG/Sully/Wilcox
McGee/Collins
Why for Boston: Terry don't seem to plan out, We need a Center, I think McGee is a solid starter. He might not qualify for "Highest IQ player of the year :P" but Doc is a players coach might help him.
His good for 2 blocks per game, young and Athetic.
and best of all: We don't need to send half the team to get him.
Lawson/Miller/Terry
Iguodala/Terry/Brewer
Gallinairi/Faried/chandler
Faried/Bass/Randolph
Koufos/Mozcov
Why for Denver: McGee Doesn't seem to plan out for Denver (not starting, lowered playing time and all) Denver is 3th Worst in the nba in Three-Point FG Percentage, Terry would be instant help there + Vetaran leadership.
It seems to me Denver needs a real pf, and Bass brings Solid Def and is able to spread the floor.
Would we need to add a 2nd rounder or a first? I'm not sure of McGee's value? ???
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Man I'd do that trade in a heartbeat.
I don't know if Denver will though. Although McGee is coming off the bench (which I think he shouldn't be as he has a lot more things to bring than Koufos), they did not give him that contract if they are not really high on him.
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I don't wanna part with Terry, I'd send Courtney instead. Maaan, I like them both, it's hard to decide.
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I like Bass for Denver -- he's a fit. But Terry, not so much, and I don't think the Cs can get McGee out of a trade for either / both.
Bass for Mosgov for parts (Randolph & another small contract) makes sense, however...
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I think Denver is the most logical trade partner with us on paper. Bass would be a good fit for them as already noted, they are very thin at power foward
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I don't wanna part with Terry, I'd send Courtney instead. Maaan, I like them both, it's hard to decide.
If Terry is basically only going to shoot 3s, I'd rather have Lee. Much younger, more size, better defender, etc. I'd assume most teams would rather have Lee, but playoff hopefuls might like Terry depending on need.
Terry's supposed to be able to create off the dribble. The Cs aren't really using him that way.
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Don't want Mcgee.
If the team in Denver was not worse on offense and defense when he was on the court, maybe.
A lot of physical talent but doesn't really know how to play. Will tease fans with some big number games but over all, still a big project.
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McGee = Basketball IQ of a brick.
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Don't want Mcgee.
If the team in Denver was not worse on offense and defense when he was on the court, maybe.
A lot of physical talent but doesn't really know how to play. Will tease fans with some big number games but over all, still a big project.
Can't agree with this if and when the output is Bass and Terry.
~ The way the Cs are using Terry is totally replaceable;
~ A trade of Bass that nets a true 'big' AND Garnett a lot more time at the 4 (with Sully backing him up) is a win win for the Cs;
~ Garnett would make McGee a much better defender, just like he does guys like Bass and Sully.
I'd do that trade faster than Usain Bolt in a 10-yard dash.
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Don't want Mcgee.
If the team in Denver was not worse on offense and defense when he was on the court, maybe.
A lot of physical talent but doesn't really know how to play. Will tease fans with some big number games but over all, still a big project.
Can't agree with this if and when the output is Bass and Terry.
~ The way the Cs are using Terry is totally replaceable;
~ A trade of Bass that nets a true 'big' AND Garnett a lot more time at the 4 (with Sully backing him up) is a win win for the Cs;
~ Garnett would make McGee a much better defender, just like he does guys like Bass and Sully.
I'd do that trade faster than Usain Bolt in a 10-yard dash.
I would rather see the Celtics change what they are doing with Terry (put the ball in his hands to create when Rondo is on the bench. Stop treating him like the new Ray)
Save the pieces for a better big man. I would rather see a big man with less physical talent but actually understands the game.
The Celtics already have a C that is a project.
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I'd trade green first before I trade bass.
In order I would trade
1.green
2. Terry
3. Lee
4. Bass
Bass has been playing well as of late. Lee not too bad either
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Very few teams will want to trade for Jason Terry...he is making $5M a year at 35 years old. Only a legit championship contender in need of veteran scoring off the bench would trade for JET, and of those teams the Cs are potentially one of them.
Bass does have more upside. He is on a short, decent money contract, is still in his prime, and has proven here in Boston that he can produce. He is a legit starting PF in the NBA. I am sure any large trade Danny constructs will at least discuss Bass.
If I am trying to unload a terrible contract, and I am looking for youngish, proven, veteran complementary pieces to add to my squad to make a run, I am asking Boston for Bass and/or Lee. The problem is that the Celtics would not take someone off the scrap heap from a playoff contender.
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I'd trade green first before I trade bass.
In order I would trade
1.green
2. Terry
3. Lee
4. Bass
Bass has been playing well as of late. Lee not too bad either
The thing as I see it Jeff Green trade value is less then zero for now because: 1. Contract,2 have not seen much progress, 3. he has value for Boston because he is suitable as Pierce backup.
But I agree with 2,3 and 4 ;D
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Don't want Mcgee.
If the team in Denver was not worse on offense and defense when he was on the court, maybe.
A lot of physical talent but doesn't really know how to play. Will tease fans with some big number games but over all, still a big project.
Can't agree with this if and when the output is Bass and Terry.
~ The way the Cs are using Terry is totally replaceable;
~ A trade of Bass that nets a true 'big' AND Garnett a lot more time at the 4 (with Sully backing him up) is a win win for the Cs;
~ Garnett would make McGee a much better defender, just like he does guys like Bass and Sully.
I'd do that trade faster than Usain Bolt in a 10-yard dash.
I would rather see the Celtics change what they are doing with Terry (put the ball in his hands to create when Rondo is on the bench. Stop treating him like the new Ray)
Save the pieces for a better big man. I would rather see a big man with less physical talent but actually understands the game.
The Celtics already have a C that is a project.
McGee = Fab Melo?
Hard to imagine Denver trading him for Bass and Terry, so I think the point is moot.
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Don't want Mcgee.
If the team in Denver was not worse on offense and defense when he was on the court, maybe.
A lot of physical talent but doesn't really know how to play. Will tease fans with some big number games but over all, still a big project.
Can't agree with this if and when the output is Bass and Terry.
~ The way the Cs are using Terry is totally replaceable;
~ A trade of Bass that nets a true 'big' AND Garnett a lot more time at the 4 (with Sully backing him up) is a win win for the Cs;
~ Garnett would make McGee a much better defender, just like he does guys like Bass and Sully.
I'd do that trade faster than Usain Bolt in a 10-yard dash.
I would rather see the Celtics change what they are doing with Terry (put the ball in his hands to create when Rondo is on the bench. Stop treating him like the new Ray)
Save the pieces for a better big man. I would rather see a big man with less physical talent but actually understands the game.
The Celtics already have a C that is a project.
McGee is much, much further along than Melo. He is an effective player, if super raw. They aren't in the same class.
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Don't want Mcgee.
If the team in Denver was not worse on offense and defense when he was on the court, maybe.
A lot of physical talent but doesn't really know how to play. Will tease fans with some big number games but over all, still a big project.
Can't agree with this if and when the output is Bass and Terry.
~ The way the Cs are using Terry is totally replaceable;
~ A trade of Bass that nets a true 'big' AND Garnett a lot more time at the 4 (with Sully backing him up) is a win win for the Cs;
~ Garnett would make McGee a much better defender, just like he does guys like Bass and Sully.
I'd do that trade faster than Usain Bolt in a 10-yard dash.
I would rather see the Celtics change what they are doing with Terry (put the ball in his hands to create when Rondo is on the bench. Stop treating him like the new Ray)
Save the pieces for a better big man. I would rather see a big man with less physical talent but actually understands the game.
The Celtics already have a C that is a project.
McGee = Fab Melo?
Hard to imagine Denver trading him for Bass and Terry, so I think the point is moot.
No. Melo hasn't plateaued as a physically talented not know how to play and doesn't look to learn guy.
He is an overpayed big man that blocks shots, grabs some rebounds, but his team is worse on defense when he is out there.
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Don't want Mcgee.
If the team in Denver was not worse on offense and defense when he was on the court, maybe.
A lot of physical talent but doesn't really know how to play. Will tease fans with some big number games but over all, still a big project.
Can't agree with this if and when the output is Bass and Terry.
~ The way the Cs are using Terry is totally replaceable;
~ A trade of Bass that nets a true 'big' AND Garnett a lot more time at the 4 (with Sully backing him up) is a win win for the Cs;
~ Garnett would make McGee a much better defender, just like he does guys like Bass and Sully.
I'd do that trade faster than Usain Bolt in a 10-yard dash.
I would rather see the Celtics change what they are doing with Terry (put the ball in his hands to create when Rondo is on the bench. Stop treating him like the new Ray)
Save the pieces for a better big man. I would rather see a big man with less physical talent but actually understands the game.
The Celtics already have a C that is a project.
McGee is much, much further along than Melo. He is an effective player, if super raw. They aren't in the same class.
Of course he is further along, but he is still the same player he was two/three seasons ago.
I rather keep Terry and Bass and wait for a better big man.
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Okay Denver might don't want Terry
maybe we should trade Lee instead.
Maybe Danny don't wont to touch him with a ten-foot pole.
Denver might don't want to part ways with him.
:)
But would it solved both teams problems? or create more? :P
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Love it but why Denver does that is beyond me.
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I just love trade ideas from this blog. Almost everytime our garbage players for better players (cousins for example). I don't think other gm's are that dumb to take our thrash. We won't get players unless rondo bradley are part of the package.
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I just love trade ideas from this blog. Almost everytime our garbage players for better players (cousins for example). I don't think other gm's are that dumb to take our thrash. We won't get players unless rondo bradley are part of the package.
I was trying to make a trade where both teams wins. What do you think is a fair trade? :)
(I think McGee would thanks you for the compareson with Cousins ;D)
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Get Jordan Hamilton if possible. He's a wing on a Denver team that's got too many, and he is young, sound offensively, and athletic. He'd be a nice backup down the road. It would probably be tough to get him, though.
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I just love trade ideas from this blog. Almost everytime our garbage players for better players (cousins for example). I don't think other gm's are that dumb to take our thrash. We won't get players unless rondo bradley are part of the package.
I was trying to make a trade where both teams wins. What do you think is a fair trade? :)
(I think McGee would thanks you for the compareson with Cousins ;D)
I know that I'm in the minority here, but I've always thought McGee would be a good fit in Boston. Sure he's a knucklehead, but he's a very talented knucklehead. Allow KG to mentor him and you could end up with an extremely athletic big man who would also thrive with Rondo in an uptempo style.
I have no problem giving up Bass and Terry here. I do though agree that Denver would probably want more. Therefore, I'd be fine giving up a 1st and Melo if need be as well. Getting McGee could really help right now as well as in the future.
Do it!
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What is up with Jordan Hamilton's 46% career FT %?? He also only has a 42% FG %.
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Don't want Mcgee.
If the team in Denver was not worse on offense and defense when he was on the court, maybe.
A lot of physical talent but doesn't really know how to play. Will tease fans with some big number games but over all, still a big project.
Can't agree with this if and when the output is Bass and Terry.
~ The way the Cs are using Terry is totally replaceable;
~ A trade of Bass that nets a true 'big' AND Garnett a lot more time at the 4 (with Sully backing him up) is a win win for the Cs;
~ Garnett would make McGee a much better defender, just like he does guys like Bass and Sully.
I'd do that trade faster than Usain Bolt in a 10-yard dash.
I would rather see the Celtics change what they are doing with Terry (put the ball in his hands to create when Rondo is on the bench. Stop treating him like the new Ray)
Save the pieces for a better big man. I would rather see a big man with less physical talent but actually understands the game.
The Celtics already have a C that is a project.
McGee is much, much further along than Melo. He is an effective player, if super raw. They aren't in the same class.
Of course he is further along, but he is still the same player he was two/three seasons ago.
I rather keep Terry and Bass and wait for a better big man.
Who else are you adding to get this imaginary great big man?
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I can't for the life of me understand why everyone is willing to give up Terry... it's weird to me.
I can tell you that Terry can win you a finals game or more b/c there is proof (of course not alone but you know what I mean)... I'm not saying that Lee can't (he hasn't had the chance but...), we know for a FACT that Terry can!
You keep saying Terry is a 3 point shooter and he is easily replaced... sure he could be, IF that was all he did! While I hate that Doc has made him the new decoy (Ray's job), we need him to be in one part of Ray's old role, the big shot taker and maker! You want Lee to take last shots or a shot when EVERYONE is missing? You are confident he will rip out an opponents heart when it matters? Again, MAYBE he could, but JET is not a maybe... he has been one of the better clutch players in the league.
With all that said, I would prefer to keep EVERYONE on the team and pick up guys who are released and guys who are waiting on vet min offers (kmart)!
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Don't want Mcgee.
If the team in Denver was not worse on offense and defense when he was on the court, maybe.
A lot of physical talent but doesn't really know how to play. Will tease fans with some big number games but over all, still a big project.
Can't agree with this if and when the output is Bass and Terry.
~ The way the Cs are using Terry is totally replaceable;
~ A trade of Bass that nets a true 'big' AND Garnett a lot more time at the 4 (with Sully backing him up) is a win win for the Cs;
~ Garnett would make McGee a much better defender, just like he does guys like Bass and Sully.
I'd do that trade faster than Usain Bolt in a 10-yard dash.
I would rather see the Celtics change what they are doing with Terry (put the ball in his hands to create when Rondo is on the bench. Stop treating him like the new Ray)
Save the pieces for a better big man. I would rather see a big man with less physical talent but actually understands the game.
The Celtics already have a C that is a project.
McGee is much, much further along than Melo. He is an effective player, if super raw. They aren't in the same class.
Of course he is further along, but he is still the same player he was two/three seasons ago.
I rather keep Terry and Bass and wait for a better big man.
Who else are you adding to get this imaginary great big man?
Anyone outside of Rondo, Pierce and KG.
McGee is really the cream of the big men in the NBA?
I know the position is not as good as it used to be but, McGee? The best a team can do? Really?
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Don't want Mcgee.
If the team in Denver was not worse on offense and defense when he was on the court, maybe.
A lot of physical talent but doesn't really know how to play. Will tease fans with some big number games but over all, still a big project.
Can't agree with this if and when the output is Bass and Terry.
~ The way the Cs are using Terry is totally replaceable;
~ A trade of Bass that nets a true 'big' AND Garnett a lot more time at the 4 (with Sully backing him up) is a win win for the Cs;
~ Garnett would make McGee a much better defender, just like he does guys like Bass and Sully.
I'd do that trade faster than Usain Bolt in a 10-yard dash.
I would rather see the Celtics change what they are doing with Terry (put the ball in his hands to create when Rondo is on the bench. Stop treating him like the new Ray)
Save the pieces for a better big man. I would rather see a big man with less physical talent but actually understands the game.
The Celtics already have a C that is a project.
McGee is much, much further along than Melo. He is an effective player, if super raw. They aren't in the same class.
Of course he is further along, but he is still the same player he was two/three seasons ago.
I rather keep Terry and Bass and wait for a better big man.
Who else are you adding to get this imaginary great big man?
Anyone outside of Rondo, Pierce and KG.
McGee is really the cream of the big men in the NBA?
I know the position is not as good as it used to be but, McGee? The best a team can do? Really?
Depends on who you're trading. We're not trading Sully to get McGee, or anyone else in all likelihood. Ditto for Bradley. So what are we giving up for this potential big?
The player the Cs would presumably like to trade most is Bass. But I'd argue Bass has negative trade value right now, considering the years and money left on his deal. So, I'm just not sure what can you can get for him without a more attractive piece being added to the process.
Example: hard to see a deal where the principles are Bass and Gortat, no matter how many picks the Cs throw in.
I don't think the Nuggets would trade McGee for Bass (and pieces). I'd say Mozgov would be the more likely fit, and even that would likely take some convincing due to the money owed Bass, considering TM is on an expiring deal. Taking Randolph would help.
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Don't want Mcgee.
If the team in Denver was not worse on offense and defense when he was on the court, maybe.
A lot of physical talent but doesn't really know how to play. Will tease fans with some big number games but over all, still a big project.
Can't agree with this if and when the output is Bass and Terry.
~ The way the Cs are using Terry is totally replaceable;
~ A trade of Bass that nets a true 'big' AND Garnett a lot more time at the 4 (with Sully backing him up) is a win win for the Cs;
~ Garnett would make McGee a much better defender, just like he does guys like Bass and Sully.
I'd do that trade faster than Usain Bolt in a 10-yard dash.
I would rather see the Celtics change what they are doing with Terry (put the ball in his hands to create when Rondo is on the bench. Stop treating him like the new Ray)
Save the pieces for a better big man. I would rather see a big man with less physical talent but actually understands the game.
The Celtics already have a C that is a project.
McGee is much, much further along than Melo. He is an effective player, if super raw. They aren't in the same class.
Of course he is further along, but he is still the same player he was two/three seasons ago.
I rather keep Terry and Bass and wait for a better big man.
Who else are you adding to get this imaginary great big man?
Anyone outside of Rondo, Pierce and KG.
McGee is really the cream of the big men in the NBA?
I know the position is not as good as it used to be but, McGee? The best a team can do? Really?
Ha no the cream of the crop big men may just fetch a tiny bit more than Terry and Bass.
Im still waiting on your imaginary big man and how many players and picks you are willing to give up for him
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Don't want Mcgee.
If the team in Denver was not worse on offense and defense when he was on the court, maybe.
A lot of physical talent but doesn't really know how to play. Will tease fans with some big number games but over all, still a big project.
Can't agree with this if and when the output is Bass and Terry.
~ The way the Cs are using Terry is totally replaceable;
~ A trade of Bass that nets a true 'big' AND Garnett a lot more time at the 4 (with Sully backing him up) is a win win for the Cs;
~ Garnett would make McGee a much better defender, just like he does guys like Bass and Sully.
I'd do that trade faster than Usain Bolt in a 10-yard dash.
I would rather see the Celtics change what they are doing with Terry (put the ball in his hands to create when Rondo is on the bench. Stop treating him like the new Ray)
Save the pieces for a better big man. I would rather see a big man with less physical talent but actually understands the game.
The Celtics already have a C that is a project.
McGee is much, much further along than Melo. He is an effective player, if super raw. They aren't in the same class.
Of course he is further along, but he is still the same player he was two/three seasons ago.
I rather keep Terry and Bass and wait for a better big man.
Who else are you adding to get this imaginary great big man?
Anyone outside of Rondo, Pierce and KG.
McGee is really the cream of the big men in the NBA?
I know the position is not as good as it used to be but, McGee? The best a team can do? Really?
Ha no the cream of the crop big men may just fetch a tiny bit more than Terry and Bass.
Im still waiting on your imaginary big man and how many players and picks you are willing to give up for him
You mean like the big men that were actually rumored to be available? (Gortat, Cousins)
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Faried!!! But Denver never will trade him and they be stupid if they do!! I said it before draft, he was top 5 pick but ppl laugh at me!!! Now whos laughing
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Bass is the only player that is getting minutes that I would move right now. Everyone else is really starting to fit it. Moving Green, Sullinger, Lee, or Bradley would be a BIG mistake...
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I can't for the life of me understand why everyone is willing to give up Terry... it's weird to me.
I can tell you that Terry can win you a finals game or more b/c there is proof (of course not alone but you know what I mean)... I'm not saying that Lee can't (he hasn't had the chance but...), we know for a FACT that Terry can!
You keep saying Terry is a 3 point shooter and he is easily replaced... sure he could be, IF that was all he did! While I hate that Doc has made him the new decoy (Ray's job), we need him to be in one part of Ray's old role, the big shot taker and maker! You want Lee to take last shots or a shot when EVERYONE is missing? You are confident he will rip out an opponents heart when it matters? Again, MAYBE he could, but JET is not a maybe... he has been one of the better clutch players in the league.
With all that said, I would prefer to keep EVERYONE on the team and pick up guys who are released and guys who are waiting on vet min offers (kmart)!
Agree with you about Terry. If he's traded we'd better be prepared to win games by more than a bucket or two (could be doable with the right big man addition). We have other players who might come through in the clutch, but with Terry it'd be a surprise if he didn't. If he goes he goes, but we'd miss him at the end of games I think.
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Don't want Mcgee.
If the team in Denver was not worse on offense and defense when he was on the court, maybe.
A lot of physical talent but doesn't really know how to play. Will tease fans with some big number games but over all, still a big project.
Can't agree with this if and when the output is Bass and Terry.
~ The way the Cs are using Terry is totally replaceable;
~ A trade of Bass that nets a true 'big' AND Garnett a lot more time at the 4 (with Sully backing him up) is a win win for the Cs;
~ Garnett would make McGee a much better defender, just like he does guys like Bass and Sully.
I'd do that trade faster than Usain Bolt in a 10-yard dash.
I would rather see the Celtics change what they are doing with Terry (put the ball in his hands to create when Rondo is on the bench. Stop treating him like the new Ray)
Save the pieces for a better big man. I would rather see a big man with less physical talent but actually understands the game.
The Celtics already have a C that is a project.
McGee is much, much further along than Melo. He is an effective player, if super raw. They aren't in the same class.
Of course he is further along, but he is still the same player he was two/three seasons ago.
I rather keep Terry and Bass and wait for a better big man.
Who else are you adding to get this imaginary great big man?
Anyone outside of Rondo, Pierce and KG.
McGee is really the cream of the big men in the NBA?
I know the position is not as good as it used to be but, McGee? The best a team can do? Really?
Ha no the cream of the crop big men may just fetch a tiny bit more than Terry and Bass.
Im still waiting on your imaginary big man and how many players and picks you are willing to give up for him
You mean like the big men that were actually rumored to be available? (Gortat, Cousins)
Not sure your point.
Terry and Bass could fetch one of those guys or you would give up the farm for one of those guys?
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Don't want Mcgee.
If the team in Denver was not worse on offense and defense when he was on the court, maybe.
A lot of physical talent but doesn't really know how to play. Will tease fans with some big number games but over all, still a big project.
Can't agree with this if and when the output is Bass and Terry.
~ The way the Cs are using Terry is totally replaceable;
~ A trade of Bass that nets a true 'big' AND Garnett a lot more time at the 4 (with Sully backing him up) is a win win for the Cs;
~ Garnett would make McGee a much better defender, just like he does guys like Bass and Sully.
I'd do that trade faster than Usain Bolt in a 10-yard dash.
I would rather see the Celtics change what they are doing with Terry (put the ball in his hands to create when Rondo is on the bench. Stop treating him like the new Ray)
Save the pieces for a better big man. I would rather see a big man with less physical talent but actually understands the game.
The Celtics already have a C that is a project.
McGee is much, much further along than Melo. He is an effective player, if super raw. They aren't in the same class.
Of course he is further along, but he is still the same player he was two/three seasons ago.
I rather keep Terry and Bass and wait for a better big man.
Who else are you adding to get this imaginary great big man?
Anyone outside of Rondo, Pierce and KG.
McGee is really the cream of the big men in the NBA?
I know the position is not as good as it used to be but, McGee? The best a team can do? Really?
Ha no the cream of the crop big men may just fetch a tiny bit more than Terry and Bass.
Im still waiting on your imaginary big man and how many players and picks you are willing to give up for him
You mean like the big men that were actually rumored to be available? (Gortat, Cousins)
Not sure your point.
Terry and Bass could fetch one of those guys or you would give up the farm for one of those guys?
I am sure if you go look through the threads with the discussion of those players, you can probably find what I thought about them there.
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Don't want Mcgee.
If the team in Denver was not worse on offense and defense when he was on the court, maybe.
A lot of physical talent but doesn't really know how to play. Will tease fans with some big number games but over all, still a big project.
Can't agree with this if and when the output is Bass and Terry.
~ The way the Cs are using Terry is totally replaceable;
~ A trade of Bass that nets a true 'big' AND Garnett a lot more time at the 4 (with Sully backing him up) is a win win for the Cs;
~ Garnett would make McGee a much better defender, just like he does guys like Bass and Sully.
I'd do that trade faster than Usain Bolt in a 10-yard dash.
I would rather see the Celtics change what they are doing with Terry (put the ball in his hands to create when Rondo is on the bench. Stop treating him like the new Ray)
Save the pieces for a better big man. I would rather see a big man with less physical talent but actually understands the game.
The Celtics already have a C that is a project.
McGee is much, much further along than Melo. He is an effective player, if super raw. They aren't in the same class.
Of course he is further along, but he is still the same player he was two/three seasons ago.
I rather keep Terry and Bass and wait for a better big man.
Who else are you adding to get this imaginary great big man?
Anyone outside of Rondo, Pierce and KG.
McGee is really the cream of the big men in the NBA?
I know the position is not as good as it used to be but, McGee? The best a team can do? Really?
Ha no the cream of the crop big men may just fetch a tiny bit more than Terry and Bass.
Im still waiting on your imaginary big man and how many players and picks you are willing to give up for him
You mean like the big men that were actually rumored to be available? (Gortat, Cousins)
Not sure your point.
Terry and Bass could fetch one of those guys or you would give up the farm for one of those guys?
I am sure if you go look through the threads with the discussion of those players, you can probably find what I thought about them there.
Awesome
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Prob should have just signed Blatche for $50 and it wouldn't even be a discussion ;D
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Bass is the only player that is getting minutes that I would move right now. Everyone else is really starting to fit it. Moving Green, Sullinger, Lee, or Bradley would be a BIG mistake...
what he says
why not dalmbert? he should be reasonable to get
if we are trading "good" parts I'd rather okafor
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Boston Sends: Brandon Bass
Jason Terry OR Courtney Lee
Two 1st round picks
Denver Trades: Javale Mcgee
Anthony Randolph
Considering how Denver has been playing Mcgee less and less with Koufus doing very well, they may be looking to move him. Randolph is getting end of the bench minutes, and I think he and Mcgee both would flourish with a more creative passing PG like Rondo.
Bass is more than serviceable for them, and they definitely could use another 2-guard in their rotation. Both Terry and Lee can run some PG also; so it's pretty much whichever Denver prefers.....Terry's veteran presence and 1 less year, or Lee's youth/speed/defensive ability. The two 1st rounders make it a Godfather offer.
(Assuming they choose Lee)
Our new depth chart looks like this:
Rondo/Terry/Bradley/Barbosa
Bradley/Terry/Barbosa
Pierce/Green/Sullinger
KG/Sullinger/Wilcox/Randolph
McGee/Collins/Wilcox
Looks a lot more balanced. In reality, we only sacrifice depth in our guard rotation and mid 1st round picks to acquire a major upgrade to anything we have as a starting center.
What do you guys think? Is it worth it for both sides? Does Denver hang up the phone? Does including Fab Melo somehow even it out? Does McGee turn it around being in Boston with KG/Doc?
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I think Denver hangs up the phone, I imagine if they were to try and move McGhee, they would have better offers than Brandon Bass and Lee or Jet from all over the league.
A move I like with Denver that, in my opinion, is more do-able is a Brandon Bass for Mozgov and Randolph swap.
I say more do-able in that it would essentially be two players that George Karl really doesnt have in his regular rotations, so trading them wouldn't disrupt whatever rotation cohesion George Karl has going.
I also like this deal because it gets the C's a legit 7 footer and an athletic frontcourt player with potential, but we don't have to move a member of the Green Guard Brigade!
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Boston Sends: Brandon Bass
Jason Terry OR Courtney Lee
Two 1st round picks
Denver Trades: Javale Mcgee
Anthony Randolph
Considering how Denver has been playing Mcgee less and less with Koufus doing very well, they may be looking to move him. Randolph is getting end of the bench minutes, and I think he and Mcgee both would flourish with a more creative passing PG like Rondo.
Bass is more than serviceable for them, and they definitely could use another 2-guard in their rotation. Both Terry and Lee can run some PG also; so it's pretty much whichever Denver prefers.....Terry's veteran presence and 1 less year, or Lee's youth/speed/defensive ability. The two 1st rounders make it a Godfather offer.
(Assuming they choose Lee)
Our new depth chart looks like this:
Rondo/Terry/Bradley/Barbosa
Bradley/Terry/Barbosa
Pierce/Green/Sullinger
KG/Sullinger/Wilcox/Randolph
McGee/Collins/Wilcox
Looks a lot more balanced. In reality, we only sacrifice depth in our guard rotation and mid 1st round picks to acquire a major upgrade to anything we have as a starting center.
What do you guys think? Is it worth it for both sides? Does Denver hang up the phone? Does including Fab Melo somehow even it out? Does McGee turn it around being in Boston with KG/Doc?
Are you seeing what our first round pick (NUMBER 21!!!!!!) is doing to teams at the moment?
Why are we trading a clutch baller like terry and handing out first round picks like candy in order to obtain a player that many suspect is clinically retarded and cant defend the pick and roll.
I dont really want to go back to the early year form.
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Boston Sends: Brandon Bass
Jason Terry OR Courtney Lee
Two 1st round picks
Denver Trades: Javale Mcgee
Anthony Randolph
Considering how Denver has been playing Mcgee less and less with Koufus doing very well, they may be looking to move him. Randolph is getting end of the bench minutes, and I think he and Mcgee both would flourish with a more creative passing PG like Rondo.
Bass is more than serviceable for them, and they definitely could use another 2-guard in their rotation. Both Terry and Lee can run some PG also; so it's pretty much whichever Denver prefers.....Terry's veteran presence and 1 less year, or Lee's youth/speed/defensive ability. The two 1st rounders make it a Godfather offer.
(Assuming they choose Lee)
Our new depth chart looks like this:
Rondo/Terry/Bradley/Barbosa
Bradley/Terry/Barbosa
Pierce/Green/Sullinger
KG/Sullinger/Wilcox/Randolph
McGee/Collins/Wilcox
Looks a lot more balanced. In reality, we only sacrifice depth in our guard rotation and mid 1st round picks to acquire a major upgrade to anything we have as a starting center.
What do you guys think? Is it worth it for both sides? Does Denver hang up the phone? Does including Fab Melo somehow even it out? Does McGee turn it around being in Boston with KG/Doc?
Are you seeing what our first round pick (NUMBER 21!!!!!!) is doing to teams at the moment?
Why are we trading a clutch baller like terry and handing out first round picks like candy in order to obtain a player that many suspect is clinically retarded and cant defend the pick and roll.
I dont really want to go back to the early year form.
They say that 'tis an exceptional draft year though. My impression is Sully would have been lottery even with the alleged back problems in other years.
But the Jet is not going anywhere. He's gonna win us some valuable games.
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Boston Sends: Brandon Bass
Jason Terry OR Courtney Lee
Two 1st round picks
Denver Trades: Javale Mcgee
Anthony Randolph
Considering how Denver has been playing Mcgee less and less with Koufus doing very well, they may be looking to move him. Randolph is getting end of the bench minutes, and I think he and Mcgee both would flourish with a more creative passing PG like Rondo.
Bass is more than serviceable for them, and they definitely could use another 2-guard in their rotation. Both Terry and Lee can run some PG also; so it's pretty much whichever Denver prefers.....Terry's veteran presence and 1 less year, or Lee's youth/speed/defensive ability. The two 1st rounders make it a Godfather offer.
(Assuming they choose Lee)
Our new depth chart looks like this:
Rondo/Terry/Bradley/Barbosa
Bradley/Terry/Barbosa
Pierce/Green/Sullinger
KG/Sullinger/Wilcox/Randolph
McGee/Collins/Wilcox
Looks a lot more balanced. In reality, we only sacrifice depth in our guard rotation and mid 1st round picks to acquire a major upgrade to anything we have as a starting center.
What do you guys think? Is it worth it for both sides? Does Denver hang up the phone? Does including Fab Melo somehow even it out? Does McGee turn it around being in Boston with KG/Doc?
Ok so you say denver may consider trading McGee because when he's not playing, they are still winning.
This suggests that they don't need him, and he does little to help their team.
So you want to trade two players and picks for this same guy, now that we are FINALLY bulding chemistry?
No thanks. Last thing we need is the star cast member from "Shaqtin a Fool" coming in here and messing up the chemistry it's taken us so long to build.
Doc would have a heart attack watching all of those head scratching plays!
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Javale McGee's playing time seems to be decreasing because of problems understanding defensive schemes. That suggests to me that he might not be a good fit in Boston.
I also think that Denver is willing to be patient in waiting for McGee to come around on defense. And the Nuggets seem to prefer having depth, perhaps because it gives them an advantage when they play home games at high altitude.
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JUST FYI -- this trade or variations there of has been posted a number of times in recent weeks in the forums.
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Javale McGee's playing time seems to be decreasing because of problems understanding defensive schemes. That suggests to me that he might not be a good fit in Boston.
I also think that Denver is willing to be patient in waiting for McGee to come around on defense. And the Nuggets seem to prefer having depth, perhaps because it gives them an advantage when they play home games at high altitude.
For a guy that is predominantly a pick and roll/alley oop lobs kind of guy, he really really struggles defending the pick and roll.
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Boston Sends: Brandon Bass
Jason Terry OR Courtney Lee
Two 1st round picks
Denver Trades: Javale Mcgee
Anthony Randolph
Considering how Denver has been playing Mcgee less and less with Koufus doing very well, they may be looking to move him. Randolph is getting end of the bench minutes, and I think he and Mcgee both would flourish with a more creative passing PG like Rondo.
Bass is more than serviceable for them, and they definitely could use another 2-guard in their rotation. Both Terry and Lee can run some PG also; so it's pretty much whichever Denver prefers.....Terry's veteran presence and 1 less year, or Lee's youth/speed/defensive ability. The two 1st rounders make it a Godfather offer.
(Assuming they choose Lee)
Our new depth chart looks like this:
Rondo/Terry/Bradley/Barbosa
Bradley/Terry/Barbosa
Pierce/Green/Sullinger
KG/Sullinger/Wilcox/Randolph
McGee/Collins/Wilcox
Looks a lot more balanced. In reality, we only sacrifice depth in our guard rotation and mid 1st round picks to acquire a major upgrade to anything we have as a starting center.
What do you guys think? Is it worth it for both sides? Does Denver hang up the phone? Does including Fab Melo somehow even it out? Does McGee turn it around being in Boston with KG/Doc?
Are you seeing what our first round pick (NUMBER 21!!!!!!) is doing to teams at the moment?
Why are we trading a clutch baller like terry and handing out first round picks like candy in order to obtain a player that many suspect is clinically retarded and cant defend the pick and roll.
I dont really want to go back to the early year form.
Okay so you managed to insult both the OP and one of the players involved in one fell swoop. Nice.
This is not a terrible trade idea but would need a few tweaks. I would not give up 1st round picks for example. I would also offer Terry not Lee and certainly NOT leave it up to Denver as to whom they prefer. I like this discussion because Bass seems to have hit his ceiling and Terry is in the twilight of his career. I'm not too excited about Randolph but McGee has nice upside. Without looking at the salaries I would probably do Bass/Terry for McGee.
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Boston Sends: Brandon Bass
Jason Terry OR Courtney Lee
Two 1st round picks
Denver Trades: Javale Mcgee
Anthony Randolph
Considering how Denver has been playing Mcgee less and less with Koufus doing very well, they may be looking to move him. Randolph is getting end of the bench minutes, and I think he and Mcgee both would flourish with a more creative passing PG like Rondo.
Bass is more than serviceable for them, and they definitely could use another 2-guard in their rotation. Both Terry and Lee can run some PG also; so it's pretty much whichever Denver prefers.....Terry's veteran presence and 1 less year, or Lee's youth/speed/defensive ability. The two 1st rounders make it a Godfather offer.
(Assuming they choose Lee)
Our new depth chart looks like this:
Rondo/Terry/Bradley/Barbosa
Bradley/Terry/Barbosa
Pierce/Green/Sullinger
KG/Sullinger/Wilcox/Randolph
McGee/Collins/Wilcox
Looks a lot more balanced. In reality, we only sacrifice depth in our guard rotation and mid 1st round picks to acquire a major upgrade to anything we have as a starting center.
What do you guys think? Is it worth it for both sides? Does Denver hang up the phone? Does including Fab Melo somehow even it out? Does McGee turn it around being in Boston with KG/Doc?
Are you seeing what our first round pick (NUMBER 21!!!!!!) is doing to teams at the moment?
Why are we trading a clutch baller like terry and handing out first round picks like candy in order to obtain a player that many suspect is clinically retarded and cant defend the pick and roll.
I dont really want to go back to the early year form.
Are you kidding me with this comment? How often are the Celtics pulling talent like Sullinger in the 20's? Does JR Giddens ring a bell? Jujuan Johnson? We did get Tony Allen/Delonte West in the 20's, but it's not like they didn't take time to develop.
Jared Sullinger is an absolute anomaly as far as your statement is concerned. He has hit a major stride recently, which I see him only building upon. Big hit. However, he was a surefire top 5 projected pick at points in his college days.......can't say the same about any of those other picks we made in that same range in the past.
Rondo is another anomaly. We bought him for cash.....he may have slid in to the 20's if Danny didn't swoop him up.
I don't think you would have called Mcgee "retarded" in Washington, when he was killing it enough to get the contract he's on. Ty Lawson has nowhere near the ball handling or passing ability that Rondo does, especially while driving to the basket. Mcgee is far greater than any other true-center this roster has.
PER 36-min, Mcgee has career averages of 15/10/3blocks/1.9 TO's. Isn't he making like just over 10-million per season? Those are a lot better numbers than Kendrick Perkins, who currently makes slightly less, and also does far less for his team (not to mention his contract basically forcing James Harden out the door).
Bass will be getting less and less minutes as Sullinger/Green improve and Wilcox gets back in the mix. Terry or Lee is more than expendable if it means bringing back a guy that will instantly start at Center for us.
How many games has the "clutch baller" Terry won for the team so far?
I also said that maybe we don't need to offer TWO 1st rounders to get this done. Either way I think it's a situation where you have to give something, to get something. A concept that many Celtics-bloggers do not understand what so ever...
Ok so you say denver may consider trading McGee because when he's not playing, they are still winning.
This suggests that they don't need him, and he does little to help their team.
So you want to trade two players and picks for this same guy, now that we are FINALLY bulding chemistry?
No thanks. Last thing we need is the star cast member from "Shaqtin a Fool" coming in here and messing up the chemistry it's taken us so long to build.
Doc would have a heart attack watching all of those head scratching plays!
Is Bass responsible for this "chemistry" you speak of? Is Terry or Lee a major influence on the team's current "chemistry?" Or is it just that Green/Sullinger are providing consistent productivity at the same that Bradley has returned to revamp our defensive efforts?
Lee has turned it up, and Terry has been slightly better the past couple weeks.
IMO, any of these three (Bass/Lee/Terry) are nowhere near the "core" of what forms our "chemistry"......any team that has all it's players playing well, could attribute it to "chemistry". I would rather make a less abstract observation, and notice that we have been playing better defense, and have been making more shots. Therefore, winning has been a lot easier for the team lately. Again, Bass/Terry/Lee have not been the major factors in this win-streak, and are proving to be more expendable.
WE HAVE NO TRUE STARTING CENTER. KG is not going to make it through the playoffs playing his current role, and it also does a disservice to his game, and what he could bring predominantly at PF, his natural position.
Mcgee has not been the best interior defender on teams like Washinton and Denver, where the emphasis/coaching on defense hasn't really been there. Throw him in the mix next to KG, and watch what happens. He's a proven shot-blocking machine.
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This guy?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feRfn_mA_OQ
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This guy?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feRfn_mA_OQ
No this guy ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8-maP-GQ6k
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This guy?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feRfn_mA_OQ
So awesome. TP.
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No. All the physical talent in the world, but we don't need dumb players on our team.
He's a lot more likely to cost you a game than he is to win you a game.
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This guy?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feRfn_mA_OQ
No this guy ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8-maP-GQ6k
The issue is that we would be trading for both of them. And my guy would be on the court at least as much as your guy.
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Boston Sends: Brandon Bass
Jason Terry OR Courtney Lee
Two 1st round picks
Denver Trades: Javale Mcgee
Anthony Randolph
Considering how Denver has been playing Mcgee less and less with Koufus doing very well, they may be looking to move him. Randolph is getting end of the bench minutes, and I think he and Mcgee both would flourish with a more creative passing PG like Rondo.
Bass is more than serviceable for them, and they definitely could use another 2-guard in their rotation. Both Terry and Lee can run some PG also; so it's pretty much whichever Denver prefers.....Terry's veteran presence and 1 less year, or Lee's youth/speed/defensive ability. The two 1st rounders make it a Godfather offer.
(Assuming they choose Lee)
Our new depth chart looks like this:
Rondo/Terry/Bradley/Barbosa
Bradley/Terry/Barbosa
Pierce/Green/Sullinger
KG/Sullinger/Wilcox/Randolph
McGee/Collins/Wilcox
Looks a lot more balanced. In reality, we only sacrifice depth in our guard rotation and mid 1st round picks to acquire a major upgrade to anything we have as a starting center.
What do you guys think? Is it worth it for both sides? Does Denver hang up the phone? Does including Fab Melo somehow even it out? Does McGee turn it around being in Boston with KG/Doc?
Are you seeing what our first round pick (NUMBER 21!!!!!!) is doing to teams at the moment?
Why are we trading a clutch baller like terry and handing out first round picks like candy in order to obtain a player that many suspect is clinically retarded and cant defend the pick and roll.
I dont really want to go back to the early year form.
Are you kidding me with this comment? How often are the Celtics pulling talent like Sullinger in the 20's? Does JR Giddens ring a bell? Jujuan Johnson? We did get Tony Allen/Delonte West in the 20's, but it's not like they didn't take time to develop.
Jared Sullinger is an absolute anomaly as far as your statement is concerned. He has hit a major stride recently, which I see him only building upon. Big hit. However, he was a surefire top 5 projected pick at points in his college days.......can't say the same about any of those other picks we made in that same range in the past.
Rondo is another anomaly. We bought him for cash.....he may have slid in to the 20's if Danny didn't swoop him up.
I don't think you would have called Mcgee "retarded" in Washington, when he was killing it enough to get the contract he's on. Ty Lawson has nowhere near the ball handling or passing ability that Rondo does, especially while driving to the basket. Mcgee is far greater than any other true-center this roster has.
PER 36-min, Mcgee has career averages of 15/10/3blocks/1.9 TO's. Isn't he making like just over 10-million per season? Those are a lot better numbers than Kendrick Perkins, who currently makes slightly less, and also does far less for his team (not to mention his contract basically forcing James Harden out the door).
Bass will be getting less and less minutes as Sullinger/Green improve and Wilcox gets back in the mix. Terry or Lee is more than expendable if it means bringing back a guy that will instantly start at Center for us.
How many games has the "clutch baller" Terry won for the team so far?
I also said that maybe we don't need to offer TWO 1st rounders to get this done. Either way I think it's a situation where you have to give something, to get something. A concept that many Celtics-bloggers do not understand what so ever...
Ok so you say denver may consider trading McGee because when he's not playing, they are still winning.
This suggests that they don't need him, and he does little to help their team.
So you want to trade two players and picks for this same guy, now that we are FINALLY bulding chemistry?
No thanks. Last thing we need is the star cast member from "Shaqtin a Fool" coming in here and messing up the chemistry it's taken us so long to build.
Doc would have a heart attack watching all of those head scratching plays!
Is Bass responsible for this "chemistry" you speak of? Is Terry or Lee a major influence on the team's current "chemistry?" Or is it just that Green/Sullinger are providing consistent productivity at the same that Bradley has returned to revamp our defensive efforts?
Lee has turned it up, and Terry has been slightly better the past couple weeks.
IMO, any of these three (Bass/Lee/Terry) are nowhere near the "core" of what forms our "chemistry"......any team that has all it's players playing well, could attribute it to "chemistry". I would rather make a less abstract observation, and notice that we have been playing better defense, and have been making more shots. Therefore, winning has been a lot easier for the team lately. Again, Bass/Terry/Lee have not been the major factors in this win-streak, and are proving to be more expendable.
WE HAVE NO TRUE STARTING CENTER. KG is not going to make it through the playoffs playing his current role, and it also does a disservice to his game, and what he could bring predominantly at PF, his natural position.
Mcgee has not been the best interior defender on teams like Washinton and Denver, where the emphasis/coaching on defense hasn't really been there. Throw him in the mix next to KG, and watch what happens. He's a proven shot-blocking machine.
"Noone ever gets anyone good in the 20s, but here's two 'anomaly' players that a single organization has happened to draft recently in the 20s that are very good players. I'll just leave out Avery Bradley at pick 19 because it supports my argument."
Please don't make me list all the very good players that have been drafted in the 20s.
Players much better than javale freakin McGee.
No GM is a basketball god that makes every draft the perfect one. You definitely don't throw away picks on javale McGee though. That guy doesn't win you a championship.
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I wouldn't give up Sully or Bradley, for him. But any combo of Jeff Green, Bass, Lee, Melo, Terry. Pick any two guys you want plus Melo plus a pick. I think it's a reasonable return for a Very disappointing 10 million dollar a year backup Center that averages 19 minutes per game.
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I like McGee but he's not worth that much.
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I like lee. And terry.
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Is his asthma holding him back? He's playing 20 minutes a game despite his fantastic productivity.
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If he's "very disappointing" then why are we giving up two solid rotation players, a project with high upside AND a pick for him?
No way he's worth all of that. I don't think I want him on this team anyway.
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I'm fine with Bass + Terry + 1st for McGee. Keep Lee, Sully and Avery
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McGee is Gerald Green as a post player. Great athlete but dumb as a box of rocks, heck no!
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McGee is Gerald Green as a post player. Great athlete but dumb as a box of rocks, heck no!
Basically.
Just say no.
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this is all pipe dreams
the most realistic and i would do it a heartbeat is
mozgov
randolph
for bass
giving celtics size