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Title: How will swirling trade rumors affect team performance?
Post by: csfansince60s on January 06, 2013, 10:09:31 PM
Last year, when trade rumors were rife before the deadline, this team was in a bit of a funk. Only after the deadline passed did we really play consistently well.

Hopefully the same dosn't occur this year, especially with our turnaround in the last two games and our major competitor along with the cHeat, the Knicks, on tap for tomorrow.

If a major trade is to happen, hopefully it happens sooner rather than later. Bass and Green can not be dealt till next Tuesday at the earliest.

How does this Sword of Damacles impact the team's performance?
Title: Re: How will swirling trade rumors affect team performance?
Post by: Celtics18 on January 06, 2013, 11:52:30 PM
I don't like it.  I think it's bound to affect guys.  I completely agree that if something is going to happen, sooner rather than later is better for team psyche. 

I don't think anyone wants this stuff lingering.  All teams go through it, I guess.  It's just an unfortunate part of this time of year as an NBA player (and--depending on your perspective--an NBA fan).
Title: Re: How will swirling trade rumors affect team performance?
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on January 07, 2013, 02:52:36 AM
I've never been a fan of the ability to do in-season trades. I mean, you're playing hard for a team, doing your best to pave the way towards a championship, and you get traded?

In my opinion all transactions should occur during the off season, and hope for the best.
Title: Re: How will swirling trade rumors affect team performance?
Post by: mctyson on January 07, 2013, 06:19:38 AM
I've never been a fan of the ability to do in-season trades. I mean, you're playing hard for a team, doing your best to pave the way towards a championship, and you get traded?

In my opinion all transactions should occur during the off season, and hope for the best.

This.  I wrote about this in another thread.  How often to in-season trades work, in terms of taking a team and driving them to an EC/WC Finals or further?

Can we at least play ONE MONTH of games with this squad before we think about a trade?
Title: Re: How will swirling trade rumors affect team performance?
Post by: Celtics18 on January 07, 2013, 06:24:16 AM
I've never been a fan of the ability to do in-season trades. I mean, you're playing hard for a team, doing your best to pave the way towards a championship, and you get traded?

In my opinion all transactions should occur during the off season, and hope for the best.

This.  I wrote about this in another thread.  How often to in-season trades work, in terms of taking a team and driving them to an EC/WC Finals or further?

Can we at least play ONE MONTH of games with this squad before we think about a trade?

I'm with you guys on this.  Hate in-season trades. 
Title: Re: How will swirling trade rumors affect team performance?
Post by: Celtics4ever on January 07, 2013, 07:48:35 AM
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I'm with you guys on this.  Hate in-season trades. 

I do not if they improve the team...
Title: Re: How will swirling trade rumors affect team performance?
Post by: pearljammer10 on January 07, 2013, 08:03:40 AM
You would have to think it effects guys but at the same time its a business and they should know that that is part of the job. You'd be fooling yourself if you played any NBA time without thinking there is a possibility of a trade.
Title: Re: How will swirling trade rumors affect team performance?
Post by: Celtics18 on January 07, 2013, 08:31:38 AM
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I'm with you guys on this.  Hate in-season trades. 

I do not if they improve the team...

I"m all for improving the team.  I'd just rather that were all done in the off-season.  When the season rolls around, I think it'd be cool if you were the team you were, and you went out and played as that team. 

It's not so much for the players' sake.  It's for our sake, as the fans.  I feel like it diminishes the experience of rooting for your team and watching them try to develop for the first half of the season when your not even sure this is the team you'll be watching for the second half of the season.

Title: Re: How will swirling trade rumors affect team performance?
Post by: bdm860 on January 07, 2013, 08:55:37 AM
I've never been a fan of the ability to do in-season trades. I mean, you're playing hard for a team, doing your best to pave the way towards a championship, and you get traded?

In my opinion all transactions should occur during the off season, and hope for the best.

This.  I wrote about this in another thread.  How often to in-season trades work, in terms of taking a team and driving them to an EC/WC Finals or further?

Can we at least play ONE MONTH of games with this squad before we think about a trade?

Well let’s start with the easiest ones:

Rasheed Wallace traded to the Pistons in 2004 helped them win the Finals.
Pau Gasol traded to the Lakers in 2008 helped them reach the Finals
Dikembe Mutombo traded the Sixers in 2001 helped them reach the Finals.
Clyde Drexler traded to the Rockets in 1995 helped them win the Finals.
Rafer Alston traded to the Magic in 2009 helped them reach the Finals.  (Less obvious, but pretty major since the Magivc’s All-Star point guard Jameer Nelson went down with a likely season ending injury midyear).

The more subtle ones.
2009 Champion Lakers traded starting SF Vladimir Radmanovic mid season for Shannon Brown and Adam Morrison
2005 Champion Spurs traded Malik Rose for Nazr Mohammed mid season
(maybe these trades didn’t affect the teams one way or another, but a championship team traded a key rotation guy for another key rotation guy mid season and were still able to win it all).
2002 Boston Celtics don’t reach the ECF without Rodney Rogers and Tony Delk (though let’s not discuss what other effects that trade had  :-[).


Now not Finals or Conference Finals, but:
Kings don’t make the playoffs without trading for Ron Artest mid season in 2006.  Went from 18-24 to 26-14 after the trade.
Suns don’t make the playoffs without trading for Jason Kidd mid season in 1997.  Went from 8-19 to 32-23 after the trade,
Warriors don’t knock out the 67 win Mavs without trading for Stephen Jackson mid season in 2007. 
Celtics don't make the playoffs without trading for Antoine Walker mid season in 2005.  They were 18-22 before the trade and 27-15 afterwards.  (Should have gone at least ECF in my opinion).

To me, this shows plenty of examples of mid season trades helping teams.  This is the NBA, this is a grown man’s league.  You’re not playing bad because you think you might be traded, but you might be traded because you’re playing bad (which then might cause you continue to play bad).  Show me somebody who’s consistently been playing great on a team that’s consistently winning that’s in trade talks?

So if trade talks disrupt this team, well what the heck has been disrupting the team for the first 2 ½ months of the season?  Can’t put the blame on trades.  (except in 2011, totally trades fault  ;)).
Title: Re: How will swirling trade rumors affect team performance?
Post by: kozlodoev on January 07, 2013, 09:12:11 AM
I've never been a fan of the ability to do in-season trades. I mean, you're playing hard for a team, doing your best to pave the way towards a championship, and you get traded?

In my opinion all transactions should occur during the off season, and hope for the best.

This.  I wrote about this in another thread.  How often to in-season trades work, in terms of taking a team and driving them to an EC/WC Finals or further?

Can we at least play ONE MONTH of games with this squad before we think about a trade?

I'm with you guys on this.  Hate in-season trades.
Don't care. Millionare athletes who can't take the nature of the beast will get no sympathy for me. Trade rumours and trades are part of the NBA. Suck it up and play already.
Title: Re: How will swirling trade rumors affect team performance?
Post by: Celtics18 on January 07, 2013, 09:30:58 AM
I've never been a fan of the ability to do in-season trades. I mean, you're playing hard for a team, doing your best to pave the way towards a championship, and you get traded?

In my opinion all transactions should occur during the off season, and hope for the best.

This.  I wrote about this in another thread.  How often to in-season trades work, in terms of taking a team and driving them to an EC/WC Finals or further?

Can we at least play ONE MONTH of games with this squad before we think about a trade?

I'm with you guys on this.  Hate in-season trades.
Don't care. Millionare athletes who can't take the nature of the beast will get no sympathy for me. Trade rumours and trades are part of the NBA. Suck it up and play already.

It's not as much for the players' sake as it is for my own sake as a fan.  It's not that I'm losing sleep over their woeful plight, it's more that if it affects their play on the court or their chemistry or unity as a team, then it affects my enjoyment of watching them play.  I don't like that. 
Title: Re: How will swirling trade rumors affect team performance?
Post by: wdleehi on January 07, 2013, 09:39:25 AM
I've never been a fan of the ability to do in-season trades. I mean, you're playing hard for a team, doing your best to pave the way towards a championship, and you get traded?

In my opinion all transactions should occur during the off season, and hope for the best.

This.  I wrote about this in another thread.  How often to in-season trades work, in terms of taking a team and driving them to an EC/WC Finals or further?

Can we at least play ONE MONTH of games with this squad before we think about a trade?

I'm with you guys on this.  Hate in-season trades.
Don't care. Millionare athletes who can't take the nature of the beast will get no sympathy for me. Trade rumours and trades are part of the NBA. Suck it up and play already.

It's not as much for the players' sake as it is for my own sake as a fan.  It's not that I'm losing sleep over their woeful plight, it's more that if it affects their play on the court or their chemistry or unity as a team, then it affects my enjoyment of watching them play.  I don't like that.


Trades during the season is a good thing.  In the NBA, it can change the landscape and the story going into the playoffs.


And of course I do enjoy the good rumors (not yesterdays load of )




As for performance, if a NBA vet is not used to the rumors by now, then he might just be to thin skinned for the NBA.
Title: Re: How will swirling trade rumors affect team performance?
Post by: Celtics18 on January 07, 2013, 09:44:43 AM
I've never been a fan of the ability to do in-season trades. I mean, you're playing hard for a team, doing your best to pave the way towards a championship, and you get traded?

In my opinion all transactions should occur during the off season, and hope for the best.

This.  I wrote about this in another thread.  How often to in-season trades work, in terms of taking a team and driving them to an EC/WC Finals or further?

Can we at least play ONE MONTH of games with this squad before we think about a trade?

I'm with you guys on this.  Hate in-season trades.
Don't care. Millionare athletes who can't take the nature of the beast will get no sympathy for me. Trade rumours and trades are part of the NBA. Suck it up and play already.

It's not as much for the players' sake as it is for my own sake as a fan.  It's not that I'm losing sleep over their woeful plight, it's more that if it affects their play on the court or their chemistry or unity as a team, then it affects my enjoyment of watching them play.  I don't like that.


Trades during the season is a good thing.  In the NBA, it can change the landscape and the story going into the playoffs.


And of course I do enjoy the good rumors (not yesterdays load of )




As for performance, if a NBA vet is not used to the rumors by now, then he might just be to thin skinned for the NBA.

I generally just never feel the need for the story to change drastically mid-stream.  To each his own on this one, I guess. 
Title: Re: How will swirling trade rumors affect team performance?
Post by: ssspence on January 07, 2013, 09:45:26 AM
I'm not sure I really understand the question. Has any individual Celtics player been reported as a target in the press, or even as "being discussed" by the Cs and another team?

I can't think of one. No, "Rondo for Chris Paul", etc. 

Maybe if we float a fake Jeff Green rumor, he'll play better, because it sure doesn't appear he feels like playing in Boston all that much.

Somewhere sunny. Like, "Sources indicate the Phoenix Suns and Boston Celtics are in serious discussions to exchange Michael Beasley for Jeff Green". Who has a friend in the press? Make a call and pretend to be Ryan McDonagh's assistant or something....


 
Title: Re: How will swirling trade rumors affect team performance?
Post by: Celtics18 on January 07, 2013, 09:48:25 AM
I'm not sure I really understand the question. Has any individual Celtics player been reported as a target in the press, or even as "being discussed" by the Cs and another team?

I can't think of one. No, "Rondo for Chris Paul", etc. 

Maybe if we float a fake Jeff Green rumor, he'll play better, because it sure doesn't appear he feels like playing in Boston all that much.

Somewhere sunny. Like, "Sources indicate the Phoenix Suns and Boston Celtics are in serious discussions to exchange Michael Beasley for Jeff Green". Who has a friend in the press? Make a call and pretend to be Ryan McDonagh's assistant or something....

Bass, Lee, Sully, Bradley, Green, and Terry are the names I've read mentioned most in recent rumors. 
Title: Re: How will swirling trade rumors affect team performance?
Post by: ssspence on January 07, 2013, 09:59:56 AM
I'm not sure I really understand the question. Has any individual Celtics player been reported as a target in the press, or even as "being discussed" by the Cs and another team?

I can't think of one. No, "Rondo for Chris Paul", etc. 

Maybe if we float a fake Jeff Green rumor, he'll play better, because it sure doesn't appear he feels like playing in Boston all that much.

Somewhere sunny. Like, "Sources indicate the Phoenix Suns and Boston Celtics are in serious discussions to exchange Michael Beasley for Jeff Green". Who has a friend in the press? Make a call and pretend to be Ryan McDonagh's assistant or something....

Bass, Lee, Sully, Bradley, Green, and Terry are the names I've read mentioned most in recent rumors.

What rumors? Define rumor? I don't count beat writers and pseudo-insiders suggesting there could be 'a fit' as a rumor -- that's just speculation to fill a page so they can sell adds against it.

When someone reports that the Wolves are talking directly to Lakers about Gasol, or to the Cavs about Sideshow Bob, that qualifies.

Example of what doesn't below:

http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba-am-celtics-making-a-blockbuster-trade/

Even more annoying are 'rumors' that involve nothing, like Sherrod's idiocy yesterday -- a 'blockbuster' including the involvement of no team and no player.

Title: Re: How will swirling trade rumors affect team performance?
Post by: SHAQATTACK on January 07, 2013, 10:04:28 AM
hopefully it gives them a kick in the rear , wake up and play ball if you don't want to be traded for starts.


If you want to get traded , just play like it.
Title: Re: How will swirling trade rumors affect team performance?
Post by: Celtics18 on January 07, 2013, 10:31:41 AM
I'm not sure I really understand the question. Has any individual Celtics player been reported as a target in the press, or even as "being discussed" by the Cs and another team?

I can't think of one. No, "Rondo for Chris Paul", etc. 

Maybe if we float a fake Jeff Green rumor, he'll play better, because it sure doesn't appear he feels like playing in Boston all that much.

Somewhere sunny. Like, "Sources indicate the Phoenix Suns and Boston Celtics are in serious discussions to exchange Michael Beasley for Jeff Green". Who has a friend in the press? Make a call and pretend to be Ryan McDonagh's assistant or something....

Bass, Lee, Sully, Bradley, Green, and Terry are the names I've read mentioned most in recent rumors.

What rumors? Define rumor? I don't count beat writers and pseudo-insiders suggesting there could be 'a fit' as a rumor -- that's just speculation to fill a page so they can sell adds against it.

When someone reports that the Wolves are talking directly to Lakers about Gasol, or to the Cavs about Sideshow Bob, that qualifies.

Example of what doesn't below:

http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba-am-celtics-making-a-blockbuster-trade/

Even more annoying are 'rumors' that involve nothing, like Sherrod's idiocy yesterday -- a 'blockbuster' including the involvement of no team and no player.



I've always thought of the word "rumor" meaning something along the lines of unconfirmed hearsay.  That's exactly the kinds of reports I've been reading.  I agree that most of them may well be nothing more than speculation, but that doesn't mean that the players don't catch wind of them, and start to wonder about their future with the organization.

And, it doesn't mean that I wouldn't classify them as "rumors."
Title: Re: How will swirling trade rumors affect team performance?
Post by: ssspence on January 07, 2013, 10:41:49 AM
I'm not sure I really understand the question. Has any individual Celtics player been reported as a target in the press, or even as "being discussed" by the Cs and another team?

I can't think of one. No, "Rondo for Chris Paul", etc. 

Maybe if we float a fake Jeff Green rumor, he'll play better, because it sure doesn't appear he feels like playing in Boston all that much.

Somewhere sunny. Like, "Sources indicate the Phoenix Suns and Boston Celtics are in serious discussions to exchange Michael Beasley for Jeff Green". Who has a friend in the press? Make a call and pretend to be Ryan McDonagh's assistant or something....

Bass, Lee, Sully, Bradley, Green, and Terry are the names I've read mentioned most in recent rumors.

What rumors? Define rumor? I don't count beat writers and pseudo-insiders suggesting there could be 'a fit' as a rumor -- that's just speculation to fill a page so they can sell adds against it.

When someone reports that the Wolves are talking directly to Lakers about Gasol, or to the Cavs about Sideshow Bob, that qualifies.

Example of what doesn't below:

http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba-am-celtics-making-a-blockbuster-trade/

Even more annoying are 'rumors' that involve nothing, like Sherrod's idiocy yesterday -- a 'blockbuster' including the involvement of no team and no player.



I've always thought of the word "rumor" meaning something along the lines of unconfirmed hearsay.  That's exactly the kinds of reports I've been reading.  I agree that most of them may well be nothing more than speculation, but that doesn't mean that the players don't catch wind of them, and start to wonder about their future with the organization.

And, it doesn't mean that I wouldn't classify them as "rumors."

Unless a guy hears a specific rumor, or that he's specifically being shopped, I can't see nebulous stories about salaries and team needs really affecting the players.

The only one I can think of was Marc Stein reporting that on Dec 15th, Courtney Lee was a popular name due to his deal becoming tradable. Maybe that'd enough to get his attention, but I for one don't believe the Cs want to trade him at all -- they'd much rather trade Bass.
Title: Re: How will swirling trade rumors affect team performance?
Post by: Celtics18 on January 07, 2013, 10:54:20 AM
I'm not sure I really understand the question. Has any individual Celtics player been reported as a target in the press, or even as "being discussed" by the Cs and another team?

I can't think of one. No, "Rondo for Chris Paul", etc. 

Maybe if we float a fake Jeff Green rumor, he'll play better, because it sure doesn't appear he feels like playing in Boston all that much.

Somewhere sunny. Like, "Sources indicate the Phoenix Suns and Boston Celtics are in serious discussions to exchange Michael Beasley for Jeff Green". Who has a friend in the press? Make a call and pretend to be Ryan McDonagh's assistant or something....

Bass, Lee, Sully, Bradley, Green, and Terry are the names I've read mentioned most in recent rumors.

What rumors? Define rumor? I don't count beat writers and pseudo-insiders suggesting there could be 'a fit' as a rumor -- that's just speculation to fill a page so they can sell adds against it.

When someone reports that the Wolves are talking directly to Lakers about Gasol, or to the Cavs about Sideshow Bob, that qualifies.

Example of what doesn't below:

http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba-am-celtics-making-a-blockbuster-trade/

Even more annoying are 'rumors' that involve nothing, like Sherrod's idiocy yesterday -- a 'blockbuster' including the involvement of no team and no player.



I've always thought of the word "rumor" meaning something along the lines of unconfirmed hearsay.  That's exactly the kinds of reports I've been reading.  I agree that most of them may well be nothing more than speculation, but that doesn't mean that the players don't catch wind of them, and start to wonder about their future with the organization.

And, it doesn't mean that I wouldn't classify them as "rumors."

Unless a guy hears a specific rumor, or that he's specifically being shopped, I can't see nebulous stories about salaries and team needs really affecting the players.

The only one I can think of was Marc Stein reporting that on Dec 15th, Courtney Lee was a popular name due to his deal becoming tradable. Maybe that'd enough to get his attention, but I for one don't believe the Cs want to trade him at all -- they'd much rather trade Bass.

I hope you're right, and that the players aren't affected at all by trade rumors. 

I know that I'm affected by the rumors.  I can't wait for the trade deadline to pass, and, of course, I have much less at stake than the players. 
Title: Re: How will swirling trade rumors affect team performance?
Post by: ssspence on January 07, 2013, 11:14:41 AM
I'm not sure I really understand the question. Has any individual Celtics player been reported as a target in the press, or even as "being discussed" by the Cs and another team?

I can't think of one. No, "Rondo for Chris Paul", etc. 

Maybe if we float a fake Jeff Green rumor, he'll play better, because it sure doesn't appear he feels like playing in Boston all that much.

Somewhere sunny. Like, "Sources indicate the Phoenix Suns and Boston Celtics are in serious discussions to exchange Michael Beasley for Jeff Green". Who has a friend in the press? Make a call and pretend to be Ryan McDonagh's assistant or something....

Bass, Lee, Sully, Bradley, Green, and Terry are the names I've read mentioned most in recent rumors.

What rumors? Define rumor? I don't count beat writers and pseudo-insiders suggesting there could be 'a fit' as a rumor -- that's just speculation to fill a page so they can sell adds against it.

When someone reports that the Wolves are talking directly to Lakers about Gasol, or to the Cavs about Sideshow Bob, that qualifies.

Example of what doesn't below:

http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba-am-celtics-making-a-blockbuster-trade/

Even more annoying are 'rumors' that involve nothing, like Sherrod's idiocy yesterday -- a 'blockbuster' including the involvement of no team and no player.



I've always thought of the word "rumor" meaning something along the lines of unconfirmed hearsay.  That's exactly the kinds of reports I've been reading.  I agree that most of them may well be nothing more than speculation, but that doesn't mean that the players don't catch wind of them, and start to wonder about their future with the organization.

And, it doesn't mean that I wouldn't classify them as "rumors."

Unless a guy hears a specific rumor, or that he's specifically being shopped, I can't see nebulous stories about salaries and team needs really affecting the players.

The only one I can think of was Marc Stein reporting that on Dec 15th, Courtney Lee was a popular name due to his deal becoming tradable. Maybe that'd enough to get his attention, but I for one don't believe the Cs want to trade him at all -- they'd much rather trade Bass.

I hope you're right, and that the players aren't affected at all by trade rumors. 

I know that I'm affected by the rumors.  I can't wait for the trade deadline to pass, and, of course, I have much less at stake than the players.

Keep in mind this feels like a black box as a fan, but the team presumably talks to the players and their agents.

Take Lee as an example: in all likelihood Danny and / or Doc has said to the lad: 'Just keep working hard, getting used to the system, etc. We worked very hard to sign you for a reason.'

Now, with Ray, that wore thin because he got word of specific deals proposed / agreed / etc that flew in the face of the Cs desire to have him around. But individual to individual, rumors have been very tame on this team so far this year, though that will get worse for a couple of guys over the next month presumably. But Lee has been playing better, not worse.

Per my previous joke, the guy who might be feeling what's in the press the most is Green -- his contract has been unilaterally panned, and local press keep trying to prop the guy up when he plays even passably in a single game. But trade rumors? No -- because no one would trade for him outside of taking a chance on him in a very large deal including better players.
Title: Re: How will swirling trade rumors affect team performance?
Post by: Celtics18 on January 07, 2013, 11:24:38 AM
I'm not sure I really understand the question. Has any individual Celtics player been reported as a target in the press, or even as "being discussed" by the Cs and another team?

I can't think of one. No, "Rondo for Chris Paul", etc. 

Maybe if we float a fake Jeff Green rumor, he'll play better, because it sure doesn't appear he feels like playing in Boston all that much.

Somewhere sunny. Like, "Sources indicate the Phoenix Suns and Boston Celtics are in serious discussions to exchange Michael Beasley for Jeff Green". Who has a friend in the press? Make a call and pretend to be Ryan McDonagh's assistant or something....

Bass, Lee, Sully, Bradley, Green, and Terry are the names I've read mentioned most in recent rumors.

What rumors? Define rumor? I don't count beat writers and pseudo-insiders suggesting there could be 'a fit' as a rumor -- that's just speculation to fill a page so they can sell adds against it.

When someone reports that the Wolves are talking directly to Lakers about Gasol, or to the Cavs about Sideshow Bob, that qualifies.

Example of what doesn't below:

http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba-am-celtics-making-a-blockbuster-trade/

Even more annoying are 'rumors' that involve nothing, like Sherrod's idiocy yesterday -- a 'blockbuster' including the involvement of no team and no player.



I've always thought of the word "rumor" meaning something along the lines of unconfirmed hearsay.  That's exactly the kinds of reports I've been reading.  I agree that most of them may well be nothing more than speculation, but that doesn't mean that the players don't catch wind of them, and start to wonder about their future with the organization.

And, it doesn't mean that I wouldn't classify them as "rumors."

Unless a guy hears a specific rumor, or that he's specifically being shopped, I can't see nebulous stories about salaries and team needs really affecting the players.

The only one I can think of was Marc Stein reporting that on Dec 15th, Courtney Lee was a popular name due to his deal becoming tradable. Maybe that'd enough to get his attention, but I for one don't believe the Cs want to trade him at all -- they'd much rather trade Bass.

I hope you're right, and that the players aren't affected at all by trade rumors. 

I know that I'm affected by the rumors.  I can't wait for the trade deadline to pass, and, of course, I have much less at stake than the players.

Keep in mind this feels like a black box as a fan, but the team presumably talks to the players and their agents.

Take Lee as an example: in all likelihood Danny and / or Doc has said to the lad: 'Just keep working hard, getting used to the system, etc. We worked very hard to sign you for a reason.'

Now, with Ray, that wore thin because he got word of specific deals proposed / agreed / etc that flew in the face of the Cs desire to have him around. But individual to individual, rumors have been very tame on this team so far this year, though that will get worse for a couple of guys over the next month presumably. But Lee has been playing better, not worse.

Per my previous joke, the guy who might be feeling what's in the press the most is Green -- his contract has been unilaterally panned, and local press keep trying to prop the guy up when he plays even passably in a single game. But trade rumors? No -- because no one would trade for him outside of taking a chance on him in a very large deal including better players.

I don't believe there's any way that Danny sits down with every player to discuss what conversations he's having with GMs around the league about said player.  I also don't think he goes around making assurances that they won't be going anywhere. 

Title: Re: How will swirling trade rumors affect team performance?
Post by: ssspence on January 07, 2013, 12:36:27 PM
I'm not sure I really understand the question. Has any individual Celtics player been reported as a target in the press, or even as "being discussed" by the Cs and another team?

I can't think of one. No, "Rondo for Chris Paul", etc. 

Maybe if we float a fake Jeff Green rumor, he'll play better, because it sure doesn't appear he feels like playing in Boston all that much.

Somewhere sunny. Like, "Sources indicate the Phoenix Suns and Boston Celtics are in serious discussions to exchange Michael Beasley for Jeff Green". Who has a friend in the press? Make a call and pretend to be Ryan McDonagh's assistant or something....

Bass, Lee, Sully, Bradley, Green, and Terry are the names I've read mentioned most in recent rumors.

What rumors? Define rumor? I don't count beat writers and pseudo-insiders suggesting there could be 'a fit' as a rumor -- that's just speculation to fill a page so they can sell adds against it.

When someone reports that the Wolves are talking directly to Lakers about Gasol, or to the Cavs about Sideshow Bob, that qualifies.

Example of what doesn't below:

http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba-am-celtics-making-a-blockbuster-trade/

Even more annoying are 'rumors' that involve nothing, like Sherrod's idiocy yesterday -- a 'blockbuster' including the involvement of no team and no player.



I've always thought of the word "rumor" meaning something along the lines of unconfirmed hearsay.  That's exactly the kinds of reports I've been reading.  I agree that most of them may well be nothing more than speculation, but that doesn't mean that the players don't catch wind of them, and start to wonder about their future with the organization.

And, it doesn't mean that I wouldn't classify them as "rumors."

Unless a guy hears a specific rumor, or that he's specifically being shopped, I can't see nebulous stories about salaries and team needs really affecting the players.

The only one I can think of was Marc Stein reporting that on Dec 15th, Courtney Lee was a popular name due to his deal becoming tradable. Maybe that'd enough to get his attention, but I for one don't believe the Cs want to trade him at all -- they'd much rather trade Bass.

I hope you're right, and that the players aren't affected at all by trade rumors. 

I know that I'm affected by the rumors.  I can't wait for the trade deadline to pass, and, of course, I have much less at stake than the players.

Keep in mind this feels like a black box as a fan, but the team presumably talks to the players and their agents.

Take Lee as an example: in all likelihood Danny and / or Doc has said to the lad: 'Just keep working hard, getting used to the system, etc. We worked very hard to sign you for a reason.'

Now, with Ray, that wore thin because he got word of specific deals proposed / agreed / etc that flew in the face of the Cs desire to have him around. But individual to individual, rumors have been very tame on this team so far this year, though that will get worse for a couple of guys over the next month presumably. But Lee has been playing better, not worse.

Per my previous joke, the guy who might be feeling what's in the press the most is Green -- his contract has been unilaterally panned, and local press keep trying to prop the guy up when he plays even passably in a single game. But trade rumors? No -- because no one would trade for him outside of taking a chance on him in a very large deal including better players.

I don't believe there's any way that Danny sits down with every player to discuss what conversations he's having with GMs around the league about said player.  I also don't think he goes around making assurances that they won't be going anywhere.

Danny doesn't have weekly sit downs with players to tell them they won't be traded. Danny does talk to players and their agents.

My point: transactions don't happen whimsically on a website like a fantasy team. Players have a better understanding of where they stand, the organization's satisfaction with their play, etc than bloggers can know. It's not all just what they read in the papers (like it is for us).....
 
Title: Re: How will swirling trade rumors affect team performance?
Post by: PhoSita on January 07, 2013, 04:34:48 PM
Ray Allen's not on the team anymore, and none of the trade rumors so far have had much in the way of legs.

So I'm gonna go ahead and say it won't affect them much at all.
Title: Re: How will swirling trade rumors affect team performance?
Post by: csfansince60s on January 08, 2013, 10:00:05 AM
hopefully it gives them a kick in the rear , wake up and play ball if you don't want to be traded for starts.


If you want to get traded , just play like it.

Not what I expected when I made the OP. I thought that they would be in a funk like last year and not respond like they have the last 3 games.

TP, SHAQATTACK, they must've listened to you. Looks like no one wants to be traded by the way they are playing.

Let's hope that this continues. Not only does it give us better chances to win games, but it increases the trade value of our players if Ainge wants to make a move.