CelticsStrong
Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: csfansince60s on January 06, 2013, 06:32:21 PM
-
Just got this from RealGM:
http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=1224443
from Stein's Twitter:
https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/288057490485170176
What next? KMart, Birdman, trades?
Joseph really surprised me. Varnado, not at all.
-
Yea Joseph really surprised me
-
Hopefully birdman, unless they plan on making a trade taking more players back than they send away.
-
Shame about Joseph, I thought he could be a beneficial player down the line. But it looks like we're gearing up for some last-minute additions.
-
Possible FA signing? Birdman? KMart?
Possible trade to come?
Any other reason to waive Joseph?
-
dang I really liked Joseph, hope hes picked up by a team. Varnado doesn't surprise me too much. guess Ainge has something up his sleeve
-
wow...sorry about KJ, thought he had potiental , but he was 24 years old too I think.
Sounds like danny wants to have as much flexibiity as possible to add a better big than Collins.
KG really needs a serious or decent replacement when he sits. Someone who can hold the line , and protect the paint while he is resting and the lead not be wiped out..
-
Samardo Samuels was released by Cleveland this weekend. Not much upside to him, but I think he'd bring rebounding, grit, and hustle. A slight upgrade from Varnado, perhaps.
Surprised about Joseph. Was his release tied to his contract status?
-
Not really surprising. This is part of the wave of players who will be waived before their contracts become guaranteed. Chris Douglas-Roberts and Samardo Samuels seems like the most useful players waived under similar circumstances.
I'd like them to use one of those open roster spots to audition D-League bigs on ten-day contracts, which they can start signing players to tomorrow. They can even bring back Varnado that way. If Doc really wants a backup point guard, a defense-minded guy like Ben Uzoh is available in the D-League as well.
-
Do either of these moves impact our cap space? I mean I know both had very small salaries. I just don't know how it impacts our cap.
-
If Joseph is waived, Danny probably has a SF back-up to add in mind.
-
Do either of these moves impact our cap space? I mean I know both had very small salaries. I just don't know how it impacts our cap.
They had to be waived by 5pm to prevent their contracts from being guaranteed. After that, the team would take a cap hit if it waived either player to make room to sign a free agent.
EDIT: 5pm tomorrow
-
Do either of these moves impact our cap space? I mean I know both had very small salaries. I just don't know how it impacts our cap.
They had to be waived by 5pm to prevent their contracts from being guaranteed. After that, the team would take a cap hit if it waived either player to make room to sign a free agent.
Thanks for the explanation. cheers
-
I wonder if a move is coming for a big....I still think that K-Mart would be an adequate backup to KG
-
I wonder if a move is coming for a big....I still think that K-Mart would be an adequate backup to KG
Kmart isn't the rim protector we need. No way should he be playing ahead of Sully or Bass either. Birdman makes more sense to me.
-
Too bad about KJ I liked what little I saw.
-
Cs are very close to being a the lux tax payer. Assuming they decide to add salary via FAs or trade, they need every dollar they can get under that threshold. Those $$$ can be spent more wisely than Joseph on a 'win now' team.
-
Varnado was just a dumb pickup by Danny. If he was not good enough for the Heat, i doubt he improved his play so much in a few months to be a promising rookie now. Waste of money
Joseph on the other hand had potential. But look at his stats in the nbdl. Everything looks good, except for 403 fg percentage. That is pretty horrendous
Also when he had a few garbage mins to play, he didn't make you notice him. Actually i think the last game , he really screwed up by missing two wide open three point shots. Maybe unless you are sure you can get it in, you drive in to the basket and try to dunk a spectacular one instead.
There is something definitely brewing. Don't think they will bring in K Mart. Just too much risk, having to deal with his attitude. The one guy i could see them get for cheap is Chris Andersen. He has height , decent skills and energy. All things we can use just in case
-
Sherrod b saying there may be a blockbuster deal involving the celtics
-
Sherrod b saying there is about to be a blockbuster deal involving the celtics
really?? man i can't breathe right now.
I hope it doesn't involve Sully, Rondo, Bradley. I also wouldn't mind keeping Melo
-
Sherrod b saying there may be a blockbuster deal involving the celtics
what?????
-
https://twitter.com/rich_levine/status/288080571597475840
-
I think Sherrod is talking crap at the moment, but who knows...
-
https://twitter.com/rich_levine/status/288080571597475840
wondering what it could be?? Gortat maybe?? Petrovic? Varejo?
-
Well they obviously waved them for some reason...created roster space for something
-
I think Sherrod is talking crap at the moment, but who knows...
that's usually the safe bet with him. believe it when I see it.
-
Not sure gortat or sideshow bob would be considered a blockbuster deal. Blockbuster to me seems a lot bigger
-
https://twitter.com/rich_levine/status/288080571597475840
so excited , please be varajaeo or gortat! or cousins!
-
I'm bummed about Joseph. I liked that kid. We'll see what happens. I'm hoping it's not something too big.
-
Well they obviously waved them for some reason...created roster space for something
Well, it looks like we're at the limit where contracts become fully guaranteed or something, also we soon can start handing out 10-day contracts.
It can also be something as simple as a FA pick-up. I don't have to be due to a "blockbuster" deal.
-
i doubt Sac will trade Cousins
-
Also per A. Sherod:
The name that keeps coming up with everyone I speak with about the #Celtics and trades, is #Kings stud DeMarcus Cousins.
https://twitter.com/SherrodbCSN
-
I don't think Danny is going to sit pat with this team as it is...
-
I am thinking any deal with involve Bradley and sully...maybe green but his salary is steep
-
http://www.csnne.com/basketball-boston-celtics/celtics-talk/Celtics-waive-Jospeh-Varnado-position-se?blockID=820679&feedID=3352
-
Also per A. Sherod:
The name that keeps coming up with everyone I speak with about the #Celtics and trades, is #Kings stud DeMarcus Cousins.
https://twitter.com/SherrodbCSN
well since sherrod says it you know it won't happen ;)
-
@mark37_14: is there any truth to a 3-way trade with #celtics lakers and kings i saw the trade rumor on a fan page.” -> #dontbelievedahype
@SherrodbCSN twitter
what was the rumor?
-
RT @csnne: #CelticsTalk Celtics waive Joseph, Varnado; position selves for multi-player deal ... http://ow.ly/gAl4m
-
i thought most of our trade prayers revolve around sending out multiple mediocre players for one good player... doesn't make sense for us to cut players to make room for a trade then. What are we doing... dumping Rondo for pieces?
-
@mark37_14: is there any truth to a 3-way trade with #celtics lakers and kings i saw the trade rumor on a fan page.” -> #dontbelievedahype
@SherrodbCSN twitter
what was the rumor?
im dying to know the rumor?? Im sweating!!
-
From @SherrodbCSN : "league sources confirmed that there's "growing" interest in Courtney Lee"
Lee and Sully for Gortat?
-
Varnado was just a dumb pickup by Danny. If he was not good enough for the Heat, i doubt he improved his play so much in a few months to be a promising rookie now. Waste of money
The Celtics needed a warm body as a big and Varnado was a reasonable choice for a short-term fix who likely would be waived at this deadline (although I would have preferred Brian Butch).
Also, Varnado was injured and didn't play for the Heat in summer league and preseason, so didn't get an adequate opportunity to earn a spot with the Heat.
-
From @SherrodbCSN : "league sources confirmed that there's "growing" interest in Courtney Lee"
Lee and Sully for Gortat?
i do it
-
I'd be p---ed if Lee is traded.
-
@mark37_14: is there any truth to a 3-way trade with #celtics lakers and kings i saw the trade rumor on a fan page.” -> #dontbelievedahype
@SherrodbCSN twitter
what was the rumor?
Sounded a little whacked to me but:
"The Lakers, Celtics, and Kings are reportedly very close to a trade that would send Francisco Garcia and Demarcus Cousins to the Boston Celtics. Marcus Thorton, Chuck Hayes,Thomas Robinson,and Aaron Brooks to the Los Angeles Lakers. Pau Gasol, Avery Bradley, Jason Terry,Jared Sullinger, and two future first round picks from the Celtics to the Sacramento Kings.**The only reason the deal has not happened yet is because the Lakers are being reluctant to accept the offer."
Started yesterday as very unsubstantiated and implausible rumor.
Hate to say good-bye to Sully and Bradley. Unlikely.
-
I'd be p---ed if Lee is traded.
i'd be p---ed if Sullinger was traded.
but I dont see Danny giving away a guy who is probably a 10/10 guy next year for someone like Gortat
-
@mark37_14: is there any truth to a 3-way trade with #celtics lakers and kings i saw the trade rumor on a fan page.” -> #dontbelievedahype
@SherrodbCSN twitter
what was the rumor?
Sounded a little whacked to me but:
"The Lakers, Celtics, and Kings are reportedly very close to a trade that would send Francisco Garcia and Demarcus Cousins to the Boston Celtics. Marcus Thorton, Chuck Hayes,Thomas Robinson,and Aaron Brooks to the Los Angeles Lakers. Pau Gasol, Avery Bradley, Jason Terry,Jared Sullinger, and two future first round picks from the Celtics to the Sacramento Kings.**The only reason the deal has not happened yet is because the Lakers are being reluctant to accept the offer."
Started yesterday as very unsubstantiated and implausible rumor.
what just about to post this rumor
-
is cousins that good????
-
Don't see trading for gortat as blockbuster
-
@mark37_14: is there any truth to a 3-way trade with #celtics lakers and kings i saw the trade rumor on a fan page.” -> #dontbelievedahype
@SherrodbCSN twitter
what was the rumor?
Sounded a little whacked to me but:
"The Lakers, Celtics, and Kings are reportedly very close to a trade that would send Francisco Garcia and Demarcus Cousins to the Boston Celtics. Marcus Thorton, Chuck Hayes,Thomas Robinson,and Aaron Brooks to the Los Angeles Lakers. Pau Gasol, Avery Bradley, Jason Terry,Jared Sullinger, and two future first round picks from the Celtics to the Sacramento Kings.**The only reason the deal has not happened yet is because the Lakers are being reluctant to accept the offer."
Started yesterday as very unsubstantiated and implausible rumor.
great trade for Kings! And i be thrill with Cousins!!
-
If it's for Cousins or Gortat, I say do it. In a heartbeat.
-
I would love to unload lee and bass for cousins or gortat
-
is cousins that good????
YES. YES. YES.
-
new sherrod tweet
A. Sherrod Blakely @SherrodbCSN
“@AriMalliaros: would we have to give up Avery or sullinger?”-> Depends on the player being pursued. Hope it doesn't come to that, though.
wow what an insider! ::)
-
can kris joseph be signed to the maine red claws?
-
you think theres a way to get evans instead of garcia
-
Alex Kennedy now saying the celtics created roster space for a trade
https://twitter.com/celticstown/status/288088739480231936
-
wow i hope we keep ab and sully
on a side note, wouldnt it be funny if JET got traded to the lakers with a celtics tattoo. lol
-
Please merge this thread with the Blockbuster thread..
Thanks
-
wow...sorry about KJ, thought he had potiental , but he was 24 years old too I think.
Sounds like danny wants to have as much flexibiity as possible to add a better big than Collins.
KG really needs a serious or decent replacement when he sits. Someone who can hold the line , and protect the paint while he is resting and the lead not be wiped out..
Kenyon Martin would be awesome, if he came midway through the season under Doc and Danny's terms knowing he won't be guaranteed minutes but needs to be an enforcer and fill in for KG if we need him to. I think he would if he wanted to get back in the league what better way than come to a team without a lot of size and try and make a deep playoff push?! I wouldn't doubt if Danny has already spoke with him or Birdman.
-
@mark37_14: is there any truth to a 3-way trade with #celtics lakers and kings i saw the trade rumor on a fan page.” -> #dontbelievedahype
@SherrodbCSN twitter
what was the rumor?
Sounded a little whacked to me but:
"The Lakers, Celtics, and Kings are reportedly very close to a trade that would send Francisco Garcia and Demarcus Cousins to the Boston Celtics. Marcus Thorton, Chuck Hayes,Thomas Robinson,and Aaron Brooks to the Los Angeles Lakers. Pau Gasol, Avery Bradley, Jason Terry,Jared Sullinger, and two future first round picks from the Celtics to the Sacramento Kings.**The only reason the deal has not happened yet is because the Lakers are being reluctant to accept the offer."
Started yesterday as very unsubstantiated and implausible rumor.
Hate to say good-bye to Sully and Bradley. Unlikely.
Doesn't work on the trade machine.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=akcegfs
-
Alex Kennedy @AlexKennedyNBA
Nothing is imminent, but the Boston Celtics are definitely a team to keep an eye on as the trade deadline approaches.
If a trade happens, I bet its something smaller scale...like for someone like Dalembert
-
Alex Kennedy @AlexKennedyNBA
Nothing is imminent, but the Boston Celtics are definitely a team to keep an eye on as the trade deadline approaches.
If a trade happens, I bet its something smaller scale...like for someone like Dalembert
or lee and bass for okafor
-
Alex Kennedy @AlexKennedyNBA
Nothing is imminent, but the Boston Celtics are definitely a team to keep an eye on as the trade deadline approaches.
If a trade happens, I bet its something smaller scale...like for someone like Dalembert
Dalembert?? Lol, rather have Collins..this would be a very small trade which would NOT help us one bit
-
Got me all excited for nothing!!
-
Doesn't work on the trade machine.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=akcegfs
It works when you account for the money saved from waiving Joseph/Varnado.
-
From @SherrodbCSN : "league sources confirmed that there's "growing" interest in Courtney Lee"
Lee and Sully for Gortat?
Its a silly question don't know all about trades/salary and all that but is there a certain date trades have to be made or can they happen anytime?
-
From @SherrodbCSN : "league sources confirmed that there's "growing" interest in Courtney Lee"
Lee and Sully for Gortat?
Its a silly question don't know all about trades/salary and all that but is there a certain date trades have to be made or can they happen anytime?
You can trade players anytime before the deadline Feb 21st. You can't sign a player and trade him right off that's why we can't trade Bass or Green until the 15th.
I think...
-
@mark37_14: is there any truth to a 3-way trade with #celtics lakers and kings i saw the trade rumor on a fan page.” -> #dontbelievedahype
@SherrodbCSN twitter
what was the rumor?
Sounded a little whacked to me but:
"The Lakers, Celtics, and Kings are reportedly very close to a trade that would send Francisco Garcia and Demarcus Cousins to the Boston Celtics. Marcus Thorton, Chuck Hayes,Thomas Robinson,and Aaron Brooks to the Los Angeles Lakers. Pau Gasol, Avery Bradley, Jason Terry,Jared Sullinger, and two future first round picks from the Celtics to the Sacramento Kings.**The only reason the deal has not happened yet is because the Lakers are being reluctant to accept the offer."
Started yesterday as very unsubstantiated and implausible rumor.
Hate to say good-bye to Sully and Bradley. Unlikely.
Doesn't work on the trade machine.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=akcegfs
Substitute 'reke for Garcia, and it works! THAT I'd do!!!
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=avxzvts
-
Alex Kennedy @AlexKennedyNBA
Nothing is imminent, but the Boston Celtics are definitely a team to keep an eye on as the trade deadline approaches.
If a trade happens, I bet its something smaller scale...like for someone like Dalembert
I could see the Celtics being involved in a blockbuster as a third team. For example, there's a rumor of a possibly Varejao-to-Minny trade, but that the Cleveland doesn't want Derrick Williams. I am pessimistic about Boston's ability to offer enough to get Varejao, but perhaps Ainge can nab that unwanted mid-level player in a big deal by offering up something like Lee and a first-rounder. Not for Williams, though. I am just using him as an example of an opening.
If you could flip Lee for a center worth more than the minimum but paid less than the MLE and a wing who is a downgrade on Lee as a bench guard but probably a defensive upgrade on Lee as a small forward against bigger players, would you do it?
-
not sure if is legit at all, but just for fun...
NBAFLASHNEWS @NBAFLASHNEWS
The Boston Celtics are being linked to a blockbuster trade that will involve Courtney Lee and Brandon Bass.
-
Alex Kennedy @AlexKennedyNBA
Nothing is imminent, but the Boston Celtics are definitely a team to keep an eye on as the trade deadline approaches.
If a trade happens, I bet its something smaller scale...like for someone like Dalembert
I could see the Celtics being involved in a blockbuster as a third team. For example, there's a rumor of a possibly Varejao-to-Minny trade, but that the Cleveland doesn't want Derrick Williams. I am pessimistic about Boston's ability to offer enough to get Varejao, but perhaps Ainge can nab that unwanted mid-level player in a big deal by offering up something like Lee and a first-rounder. Not for Williams, though. I am just using him as an example of an opening.
If you could flip Lee for a center worth more than the minimum but paid less than the MLE and a wing who is a downgrade on Lee as a bench guard but probably a defensive upgrade on Lee as a small forward against bigger players, would you do it?
Derrick Williams and Jeff Green on the same team?
-
not sure if is legit at all, but just for fun...
NBAFLASHNEWS @NBAFLASHNEWS
The Boston Celtics are being linked to a blockbuster trade that will involve Courtney Lee and Brandon Bass.
Blockbusters are getting lamer and lamer.
;)
-
not sure if is legit at all, but just for fun...
NBAFLASHNEWS @NBAFLASHNEWS
The Boston Celtics are being linked to a blockbuster trade that will involve Courtney Lee and Brandon Bass.
you gotta love these rumors from ridiculous twitter handles like @NBASOURCESUPDATE lol
-
Doesn't non-guaranteed contracts become guaranteed in couple of days? Celtics appear to be clearing roster spots for future signings who can help the team than keep dead weight at the end of the bench. I wouldn't rule out a trade though. But its way too early to be speculating however.
-
If we can get someone without losing Bradley and/or Sully I'd be fine with it.
-
From @SherrodbCSN : "league sources confirmed that there's "growing" interest in Courtney Lee"
Lee and Sully for Gortat?
Its a silly question don't know all about trades/salary and all that but is there a certain date trades have to be made or can they happen anytime?
You can trade players anytime before the deadline Feb 21st. You can't sign a player and trade him right off that's why we can't trade Bass or Green until the 15th.
I think...
ok thanks yea remember that dreaded deadline for players but didn't know they could happen already
-
Forsberg:
By our rough per-game calculation, the Celtics save about $275,000 by cutting Joseph after 33 games. That's right around what a late-season, veteran-minimum addition would cost. Considering the Celtics are hard-capped at the $74.3 million tax apron -- and roughly $71.2 million is committed to current costs -- every available dollar gives the Celtics that little bit extra wiggle room to maneuver later in the season.
-
Kenyon Martin + Chris Andersen + Donte Greene
That is my wishlist.
-
Kenyon Martin + Chris Andersen + Donte Greene
That is my wishlist.
I wouldnt care if we stood pat and got K Mart and somebody else maybe Nate if Bulls cut him ?
-
Sam Young got waived by Indiana. He is a solid 2/3 off the bench.
Best player who has been cut so far. Legit NBA player.
-
Sam Young got waived by Indiana. He is a solid 2/3 off the bench.
Best player who has been cut so far. Legit NBA player.
A poor man's Tony Allen, yes? Big enough to guard 3's?
-
Sam Young got waived by Indiana. He is a solid 2/3 off the bench.
Best player who has been cut so far. Legit NBA player.
A poor man's Tony Allen, yes? Big enough to guard 3's?
a big body to throw at LeBron in stretches if we ship Green out?
-
Sam Young is a big two who can muscle big two guards like Kobe Bryant. That is his main value as an NBA player. His ability to matchup physically against big two guards. A good defender/rebounder but not an elite one.
Against small forwards with legitimate size and talent, Sam Young is undersized (6-6, 220lbs) and is a poor defender / rebounder. And he isn't good enough offensively to make up for it. Too limited. Against less offensively capable small forwards, Young can be a passable option at SF. So not really an option to throw against somebody like LeBron.
Offensively, Young has a decent two point jump shot but lacks further range. That is the main drawback in his game. He can finish reasonably around the rim and he can post up against smaller players.
I consider Sam Young a middle of the pack to slightly below average backup two guard. Or a well below average backup SF. An excellent third string 2/3 which is probably the role he'll see most often due to his limitations as jump-shooter but in the right situation he can play more minutes. A big physical two guard who can play a small bit of time at small forward also.
-
Sam Young is a big two who can muscle big two guards like Kobe Bryant. That is his main value as an NBA player. His ability to matchup physically against big two guards. A good defender/rebounder but not an elite one.
Against small forwards with legitimate size and talent, Sam Young is undersized (6-6, 220lbs) and is a poor defender / rebounder. And he isn't good enough offensively to make up for it. Too limited. Against less offensively capable small forwards, Young can be a passable option at SF. So not really an option to throw against somebody like LeBron.
Offensively, Young has a decent two point jump shot but lacks further range. That is the main drawback in his game. He can finish reasonably around the rim and he can post up against smaller players.
I consider Sam Young a middle of the pack to slightly below average backup two guard. Or a well below average backup SF. An excellent third string 2/3 which is probably the role he'll see most often due to his limitations as jump-shooter but in the right situation he can play more minutes. A big physical two guard who can play a small bit of time at small forward also.
He sounds like a more experienced Dionte Christmas.
-
I would prefer Donte Greene to Sam Young.
I think the team needs a small forward with good size behind Pierce and J.Green. They have an excellent first line (Pierce at SF, J.Green at PF) against small-ball lineups but they have no substitutes behind them to give them a breather now and then.
Their options at PF are too slow (Sully) or dumb (Bass) to defend those lineups well. They need someone who can give a different option to Pierce + J.Green when they need a rest, or are injured, or struggling with foul trouble. Whether that is a more athletic PF with good defensive range or a third string SF with good size. It would be good to have. Gives some insurance against an injury to J.Green also without forcing Doc to play three guard lineups.
I think Donte Greene provides a superior option matchup wise with his size (6-11, 230lbs) and athleticism in these type of scenarios. Donte Greene is also a legitimate albeit streaky threat from three point range.
I'd really like to see Danny sign Donte Greene. Shore up that third string SF/PF spot.
-
I would prefer Donte Greene to Sam Young.
I think the team needs a small forward with good size behind Pierce and J.Green. They have an excellent first line (Pierce at SF, J.Green at PF) against small-ball lineups but they have no substitutes behind them to give them a breather now and then.
Their options at PF are too slow (Sully) or dumb (Bass) to defend those lineups well. They need someone who can give a different option to Pierce + J.Green when they need a rest, or are injured, or struggling with foul trouble. Whether that is a more athletic PF with good defensive range or a third string SF with good size. It would be good to have. Gives some insurance against an injury to J.Green also without forcing Doc to play three guard lineups.
I think Donte Greene provides a superior option matchup wise with his size (6-11, 230lbs) and athleticism in these type of scenarios. Donte Greene is also a legitimate albeit streaky threat from three point range.
I'd really like to see Danny sign Donte Greene. Shore up that third string SF/PF spot.
He was on the Kings right, he isnt signed by anyone? I remember him being pretty solid
-
I would prefer Donte Greene to Sam Young.
I think the team needs a small forward with good size behind Pierce and J.Green. They have an excellent first line (Pierce at SF, J.Green at PF) against small-ball lineups but they have no substitutes behind them to give them a breather now and then.
Their options at PF are too slow (Sully) or dumb (Bass) to defend those lineups well. They need someone who can give a different option to Pierce + J.Green when they need a rest, or are injured, or struggling with foul trouble. Whether that is a more athletic PF with good defensive range or a third string SF with good size. It would be good to have. Gives some insurance against an injury to J.Green also without forcing Doc to play three guard lineups.
I think Donte Greene provides a superior option matchup wise with his size (6-11, 230lbs) and athleticism in these type of scenarios. Donte Greene is also a legitimate albeit streaky threat from three point range.
I'd really like to see Danny sign Donte Greene. Shore up that third string SF/PF spot.
He was on the Kings right, he isnt signed by anyone? I remember him being pretty solid
Yeah, that's the guy. Solid defender, streaky shooter.
Kings coaching staff mishandled him very badly. Talented player who's slipped between the cracks.
-
boo on joseph. we may regret that
-
Found this on Donte Greene, posted a couple weeks ago:
- I spotted former Orange forward Donte Greene working out in the weight room during practice. Greene played with the NBA’s Sacramento Kings last season, and was reported to be close to signing with the Brooklyn Nets this fall when he broke his foot and required surgery.
http://www.nunesmagician.com/2012/12/13/3763424/the-view-from-courtside-we-talkin-bout-syracuse-orange-practice
-
boo on joseph. we may regret that
yup .