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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: gpap on January 06, 2013, 12:13:47 PM
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Just curious. I know I am reading too much into it, but it looked like KG, Paul and Rondo were really chummy with Josh Smith after the game last night (I know Rondo and Smith are friends.)
If the Celts can somehow sneak one past Atlanta like they did Minny with KG, and land Josh Smith either at the deadline or next summer (S & T), then doesn't Boston become a destination for Dwight Howard?
I know Howard and J Smith are friends and I think all of a sudden (at least on paper) Boston looks pretty darn good with Rondo, Smith and DH as part of the starting 5.
Heck at that point, I would think KG wouldn't even mind coming off the bench
Just a thought I guess
PS..anyone else catch what Howard said about the Lakers? (lol.)
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I don't think there would be any realistic way to sign him under the cap rules.
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I'm honestly not interested in having Howard on the Celtics. Can't stand the guy.
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If your still interested in Josh Smith joining the Celtics after last night, you need therapy. He does not make teams contenders. Stop for the sake of everyone with the trade ideas. Please.
THE TEAM CAN WIN THE TITLE AS IS. NO MORE TRADE IDEAS.
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It would be one of the worst free throw shooting teams in the history of the NBA-
Rondo-.629
Howard- .511
Smith-.537
We would need to be up by ten plus nightly to sustain the end of the game fouling barrage that would occur nightly against us. When Rondo is the best FT shooter out of the 3, you know the end of the game would be the stuff of nightmares.
Let this current team continue to grow and lets see where things fall at the end.
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Defensively we would we amazing, but Hack-a-Rondo-Howard-Smith would beat us a lot.
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I don't want Dwight Howard.
Btw, Cousins shoots 77.7% FT line. Just saying.
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If your still interested in Josh Smith joining the Celtics after last night, you need therapy. He does not make teams contenders. Stop for the sake of everyone with the trade ideas. Please.
THE TEAM CAN WIN THE TITLE AS IS. NO MORE TRADE IDEAS.
So what do you think about a 3 way trade where the Celts land Howard and Smith?
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Worst shooting team in history?
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If your still interested in Josh Smith joining the Celtics after last night, you need therapy. He does not make teams contenders. Stop for the sake of everyone with the trade ideas. Please.
THE TEAM CAN WIN THE TITLE AS IS. NO MORE TRADE IDEAS.
I think most people would be interested in a deal where Smith and Green are the centerpieces. I don't necessarily think Atlanta would go for it, unless they receive one of Bradley / Sullinger and a pick, but it keeps them from losing Smith for nothing. As everybody else has said a million times, it really just depends on what other gms think about Green.
Landing Dwight seems somewhat impossible unless we trade Pierce/KG or [of course] Rondo...I guess you never know, though.
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We won't be getting either player.
I want NO part of Howard. He is NOT a center piece type player. He needs someone else to be the leader.
Atlanta is unlikely trade Smith. Only chance the C's have getting him is if Pierce and KG retire. And only then if KGs salary comes off the books (not sure).
I cannot see Atlanta wanting anything we would actually offer.
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If your still interested in Josh Smith joining the Celtics after last night, you need therapy. He does not make teams contenders. Stop for the sake of everyone with the trade ideas. Please.
THE TEAM CAN WIN THE TITLE AS IS. NO MORE TRADE IDEAS.
Eh. The C's are playing better. But we're a ways away from serious title contention. Right now, we're still behind the Heat and the Knicks in the Eastern Conference. And there's no way we're going to survive the Western Conference and the big men they have out there. Unless Rondo can consistently go for 10+ rebounds per game, we'd struggle.
As far as Josh Smith, he had a bad game last night. He'll still likely be an All-Star this year (and should've been last year). He's a very talented player.
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If your still interested in Josh Smith joining the Celtics after last night, you need therapy. He does not make teams contenders. Stop for the sake of everyone with the trade ideas. Please.
THE TEAM CAN WIN THE TITLE AS IS. NO MORE TRADE IDEAS.
This team cannot and will not win the title as is. Too weak at the center position.
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If your still interested in Josh Smith joining the Celtics after last night, you need therapy. He does not make teams contenders. Stop for the sake of everyone with the trade ideas. Please.
THE TEAM CAN WIN THE TITLE AS IS. NO MORE TRADE IDEAS.
This team cannot and will not win the title as is. Too weak at the center position.
Welllll....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BUHk-HhHTs
Just sayin' :).
We DO need to shore up KG, but with him at Center we are not weak at all.
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No chance in hell I want that winey pain in the butt in Boston. The guy's maturity level makes DMC look like a the ultimate role model by comparison. He's an absolute fruit loop and prima Donna who expects that he should get early above coaches and GM's about how a team should be run.
Absolute moron, and if he ever comes to Boston I will never watch a Celtics game again. At least not for another season, because by then he'll be demanding a trade.
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If your still interested in Josh Smith joining the Celtics after last night, you need therapy. He does not make teams contenders. Stop for the sake of everyone with the trade ideas. Please.
THE TEAM CAN WIN THE TITLE AS IS. NO MORE TRADE IDEAS.
Are you kidding me? Hahaha he said after the summer. Is this team going to remain forever? How naive
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I'd rather make a push at Cousins. He's cheaper and wont cost the C's all of their back ups to get.
Plus I think Cousins is all around more talented than Howard. You see that right now with out Howards athleticism is borderline good. Cousins now some what focused is playing like a beast. Put he next to KG to learn what its is to be a pro and a Celtic could do the guy wonders. Howard would just laugh he entire time here...
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If your still interested in Josh Smith joining the Celtics after last night, you need therapy. He does not make teams contenders. Stop for the sake of everyone with the trade ideas. Please.
THE TEAM CAN WIN THE TITLE AS IS. NO MORE TRADE IDEAS.
I agree with your first statement -- Josh Smith has never thrilled me.
But this team cannot win the title as is (my opinion of course). They do need help in the middle -- size, defense, rebounding. I think Okafur is the guy.
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I'd rather make a push at Cousins. He's cheaper and wont cost the C's all of their back ups to get.
Plus I think Cousins is all around more talented than Howard. You see that right now with out Howards athleticism is borderline good. Cousins now some what focused is playing like a beast. Put he next to KG to learn what its is to be a pro and a Celtic could do the guy wonders. Howard would just laugh he entire time here...
Yeah, I agree with that. The other thing I really like about Cousins is you can tell he's got a mean streak. I think the Celts need that even more than a big, somebody who won't be afraid to be an "enforcer."
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Okay, so under what realistic scenario do we get Smith? And please don't throw out names like bass, green, lee, and terry. If we aren't including Avery or Sullly ( and maybe both), then forget about. Someone said earlier that the hawks wouldn't want to lose smith for nothing. Well, if we want to give them our leftovers, then nothing is actually a better option for them.
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Since Smith has been a good soldier in his contract year and hasn't make any demands to be moved, I don't think ATL will do anything with him at the deadline. They're strategy has been to clear up cap space to make a run at CP3/D Ho and some of the lesser FA s this summer.
The only way Boston gets Smith this summer is if he convinces Ferry that he will sign with a team with caproom and the Hawks will get nothing for him. Then he and his agent can finagle a S and T, assuming the Hawks like Green and one of Lee/Bass/Terry.
ATL has only $21m on the books next season and Horford is an star center at $12m, They would have room for two max FAs, and could conceivable keep Josh Smith, and S and T Horford for Howard (who would tell the Lakers he's going there anyways if they don't agree to the S and T) and sign Chris Paul outright.
If Howard and Paul don't come on the market, the Hawks will re-up Smith, add a SG like JR Smith, and maybe a low post threat big like JJ Hickson.
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Looks and seems to me like Smith wants to be here. Pierce, Garnett, and Rondo were awfully friendly with Smith last night. KG even gave him a hand to pick him up off the ground, and the hug session at the end was also an interesting gesture.
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Since Smith has been a good soldier in his contract year and hasn't make any demands to be moved, I don't think ATL will do anything with him at the deadline. They're strategy has been to clear up cap space to make a run at CP3/D Ho and some of the lesser FA s this summer.
The only way Boston gets Smith this summer is if he convinces Ferry that he will sign with a team with caproom and the Hawks will get nothing for him. Then he and his agent can finagle a S and T, assuming the Hawks like Green and one of Lee/Bass/Terry.
ATL has only $21m on the books next season and Horford is an star center at $12m, They would have room for two max FAs, and could conceivable keep Josh Smith, and S and T Horford for Howard (who would tell the Lakers he's going there anyways if they don't agree to the S and T) and sign Chris Paul outright.
If Howard and Paul don't come on the market, the Hawks will re-up Smith, add a SG like JR Smith, and maybe a low post threat big like JJ Hickson.
None of this is realistic. As I said, the hawks would likely rather have nothing instead of green, lee, bass, and terry. See my post above.
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lets be honest he should probably just come here. I mean playing in Atlanta is pretty much like playing at the garden anyway. With all the fans there and such
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Since Smith has been a good soldier in his contract year and hasn't make any demands to be moved, I don't think ATL will do anything with him at the deadline. They're strategy has been to clear up cap space to make a run at CP3/D Ho and some of the lesser FA s this summer.
The only way Boston gets Smith this summer is if he convinces Ferry that he will sign with a team with caproom and the Hawks will get nothing for him. Then he and his agent can finagle a S and T, assuming the Hawks like Green and one of Lee/Bass/Terry.
ATL has only $21m on the books next season and Horford is an star center at $12m, They would have room for two max FAs, and could conceivable keep Josh Smith, and S and T Horford for Howard (who would tell the Lakers he's going there anyways if they don't agree to the S and T) and sign Chris Paul outright.
If Howard and Paul don't come on the market, the Hawks will re-up Smith, add a SG like JR Smith, and maybe a low post threat big like JJ Hickson.
None of this is realistic. As I said, the hawks would likely rather have nothing instead of green, lee, bass, and terry. See my post above.
A team has to have some kind of payroll. Compared to some of the UFAs out there, Lee, Bass, Green and Terry look pretty good. Of course, other teams could get involved int he deal if Atlanta didn't like the Cs' assets.
Since your declaration that none of my proposals are realistic, can you tell me the times NBA teams in the last few season just let top tier FAs walk away without getting any compensation back? Phoenix did it with Amare, but the last couple of years the standard has been that top FAs have been able to dictate where they play.
I'd say it's more likely that a team with nine open salary slots and $40 million in caproom would do a S and T for Smith rather than let him walk for no compensation, especially in a year where the pickings are slim for top FAs.
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Rondo is a friend of Josh Smith, but its been 6 years and Smith hasn't come here. So obviously, just because Dwight is a friend of Josh, it doesn't mean that Dwight will come here. At least not just because of friendship.
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If your still interested in Josh Smith joining the Celtics after last night, you need therapy. He does not make teams contenders. Stop for the sake of everyone with the trade ideas. Please.
THE TEAM CAN WIN THE TITLE AS IS. NO MORE TRADE IDEAS.
Are you kidding me? Hahaha he said after the summer. Is this team going to remain forever? How naive
Not sure this team can win a title without the addition of a solid center (and that does not mean some journeyman 7-footer who gets waived at the trade deadline - we have had enough of those and have one now anyway).
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Since Smith has been a good soldier in his contract year and hasn't make any demands to be moved, I don't think ATL will do anything with him at the deadline. They're strategy has been to clear up cap space to make a run at CP3/D Ho and some of the lesser FA s this summer.
The only way Boston gets Smith this summer is if he convinces Ferry that he will sign with a team with caproom and the Hawks will get nothing for him. Then he and his agent can finagle a S and T, assuming the Hawks like Green and one of Lee/Bass/Terry.
ATL has only $21m on the books next season and Horford is an star center at $12m, They would have room for two max FAs, and could conceivable keep Josh Smith, and S and T Horford for Howard (who would tell the Lakers he's going there anyways if they don't agree to the S and T) and sign Chris Paul outright.
If Howard and Paul don't come on the market, the Hawks will re-up Smith, add a SG like JR Smith, and maybe a low post threat big like JJ Hickson.
None of this is realistic. As I said, the hawks would likely rather have nothing instead of green, lee, bass, and terry. See my post above.
A team has to have some kind of payroll. Compared to some of the UFAs out there, Lee, Bass, Green and Terry look pretty good. Of course, other teams could get involved int he deal if Atlanta didn't like the Cs' assets.
Since your declaration that none of my proposals are realistic, can you tell me the times NBA teams in the last few season just let top tier FAs walk away without getting any compensation back? Phoenix did it with Amare, but the last couple of years the standard has been that top FAs have been able to dictate where they play.
I'd say it's more likely that a team with nine open salary slots and $40 million in caproom would do a S and T for Smith rather than let him walk for no compensation, especially in a year where the pickings are slim for top FAs.
i didn't say Atl would or should let smith walk. I said that our package is worse than letting him walk. Lots of other options in between.
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Actually, a more sensible trade for both teams would be:
Rondo
Sullinger
Melo
For
Horford
Teague
I think Atlanta would go for it and it solves our big man rebounding problem while giving us a decent PG prospect. We start Bradley at the PG and Horford next to KG while this Teague kid learns the system.
I bet Atlanta would even give us a second rounder for sweetner. We also dont have to give up Green, Bass, Lee or Terry from our bench gang and could use one of them for another later trade if we wanted.
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Actually, a more sensible trade for both teams would be:
Rondo
Sullinger
Melo
For
Horford
Teague
I think Atlanta would go for it and it solves our big man rebounding problem while giving us a decent PG prospect. We start Bradley at the PG and Horford next to KG while this Teague kid learns the system.
I bet Atlanta would even give us a second rounder for sweetner. We also dont have to give up Green, Bass, Lee or Terry from our bench gang and could use one of them for another later trade if we wanted.
Yeah, and I would actually go for this. TP. I've always liked Horford as a player and this trade would REALLY benefit both teams. Teague really isn't that bad (not as good as Rondo, but you have to give to get.)
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Actually, a more sensible trade for both teams would be:
Rondo
Sullinger
Melo
For
Horford
Teague
I think Atlanta would go for it and it solves our big man rebounding problem while giving us a decent PG prospect. We start Bradley at the PG and Horford next to KG while this Teague kid learns the system.
I bet Atlanta would even give us a second rounder for sweetner. We also dont have to give up Green, Bass, Lee or Terry from our bench gang and could use one of them for another later trade if we wanted.
Yeah, and I would actually go for this. TP. I've always liked Horford as a player and this trade would REALLY benefit both teams. Teague really isn't that bad (not as good as Rondo, but you have to give to get.)
Thanx, prob will never happen but I think we would be a better team. I like Rondo, but would rather build around a big than a small. We would have a possible future of:
Horford
Bass/FA
Green
Bradley
Teague
instead of:
Rondo
Bradley
Green
Sullinger
Melo
Lee coming off the bench. Not great but we would have cap room to add a player or two and it might become a nice looking roster after KG/PP/Jet are gone in a couple years.