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Around the League => Around the NBA => Topic started by: Celtics18 on January 05, 2013, 11:21:46 AM
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Lebron James
Kevin Durant
Chris Paul
Blake Griffin
Dwight Howard
Rajon Rondo
Derrick Rose
Kevin Love
Carmelo Anthony
Anthony Davis
Kyrie Irving
Russell Westbrook
I'm wondering what other people's lists would look like. What are my blatant omissions and crazy inclusions?
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Blake and Love are a little high for my liking.
I think in two or three years Irving and Davis are going to jump two or three spots each on that list.
Rose should be ahead of Rondo.
Other than that, great list.
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1. Durant
2. James
3. Dwight
4. Irving
5. Rose
6. Wade
7. Rondo
8. Carmelo
9. Harden
10. Love
11. Griffin
12. Paul George
Don't see any blatant omissions or crazy inclusions on your list. There are tons of different ways to go depending on the pieces around them and how soon you want to win a title (Chris Paul or even Kobe Bryant would be a much better choice in some instances than Love, Griffin, or George).
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I like the list, but I'm omitting 3 names.
Im not putting Love as a guy you build around.
I understand he's a superstar, but he has no heart. He's already complaining about not winning and leaving, while on his first year of extension, and while the wolves have an excellent piece in Rubio and no bad contracts.
I'd also take out Paul George, I think he hasn't proven that he's a franchise player yet. He's getting there though, but not right now.
I'd take out Blake as well. I think as of this moment he's still one dimensional. He's improving, but I'm not putting him as my centerpiece. He needs to work on his FT and jump shots.
All this names, outside of the things I see on them, have one thing in common for me which is why I'm not building around them. I haven't seen them take over games on a consistent basis. As a centerpiece, you should be able to take over games. They are getting close, but the way I see right now, If I get to choose them as my centerpiece, I'll pass. (add DMC here too.)
With that in mind, I'll replace them with 3 names.
Russel Westbrook
- this kid is a franchise player. He'll drop 30-40 points any night and play very solid defense and when he's on, good luck stopping him.
Anthony Davis
- while he may not be a dominating scorer, he'll dominate on the other things with especially rebounding, defense and overall impact. The little things he does plus the 18-20 points, 10 rebounds, 2-3 blocks a game he'll drop every night, scoring on different ends of the floor, solid interior and pick and roll and switch defense, consistently, definitely franchise player.
Chris Paul
- I can't believe he's not on this list. It's automatic.
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1. James
2. Durant
3. Howard
then a gigantic hole before you get to anyone else so I'm not even going to put anyone else.
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12 is a bit much... & Paul George not be near this list. lol he's getting shine because of Granger's injury.
Top 5 Build Now:
LeBron, Durant, LaMarcus, Dwight, Kyrie
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12 is a bit much... & Paul George not be near this list. lol he's getting shine because of Granger's injury.
Top 5 Build Now:
LeBron, Durant, LaMarcus, Dwight, Kyrie
I agree with the other 4 but disagree on Aldridge. I said it before, to be someone to build around means you're a franchise player, and franchise players take over games. Aldridge seems to not have that extra gear to just take over.
I'd put CP3 over him.
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In a couple years, I wouldn't be surprised if DeMarcus Cousins made the list. If he could mature, he'd be one of the most dominant players in the league.
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How funny is it that the guy most people have in their top 3-5 (Dwight Howard) is on a losing team even though he plays for the Lakers and with a bunch of other old but talented players.
Rondo is about equivalent, no?
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12 is a bit much... & Paul George not be near this list. lol he's getting shine because of Granger's injury.
Top 5 Build Now:
LeBron, Durant, LaMarcus, Dwight, Kyrie
lamarcus? that's funny but kyrie mentioned before rose is blasphemous.
I also can't believe Paul George was somehow, someway mentioned in this thread...Uhh what?
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Lebron
Durant
Griffin
CP3
Carmelo
Al Horford (hard to argue with ATL still playing at a high level)
Dwyane Wade
David Lee
Rajon Rondo
Kyrie Irving
Kevin Love
Joakim Noah
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It's blasphemy that Duncan nor Garnett haven't been mentioned. Even at their advanced age, they're the perfect players to build around.
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My list
Lebron James
Kevin Durant
Derrick Rose
Chris Paul
James Harden
David Lee
Sorry but Dwight Howard is not a guy i would want to build my team around. The guy is not a leader. Lakers are horrid so far with the type of talent they have on the team. I rather have Tyson Chandler. James Harden and David Lee have passed the test so far that they can carry/lead a team. They are the mvp for their teams so far
Though i love to put Rondo on the list, there isn't enough proof that you can build a team around him alone.
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1. Durant
2. James
3. Dwight
4. Irving
5. Rose
6. Wade
7. Rondo
8. Carmelo
9. Harden
10. Love
11. Griffin
12. Paul George
Don't see any blatant omissions or crazy inclusions on your list. There are tons of different ways to go depending on the pieces around them and how soon you want to win a title (Chris Paul or even Kobe Bryant would be a much better choice in some instances than Love, Griffin, or George).
no offense, but not sure how you have Irving on the list. Cleveland is one of the worse teams in the league. A guy you can build around imo is a guy that carries the team through stats/leadership and helps them be contenders.
Its hard also if you can build on Griffin or Melo alone bc previous to this year, they only did subpar jobs in leading their teams to get somewhere. Love the same. Minny is just subpar
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My list
Lebron James
Kevin Durant
Derrick Rose
Chris Paul
James Harden
David Lee
Sorry but Dwight Howard is not a guy i would want to build my team around. The guy is not a leader. Lakers are horrid so far with the type of talent they have on the team. I rather have Tyson Chandler. James Harden and David Lee have passed the test so far that they can carry/lead a team. They are the mvp for their teams so far
Though i love to put Rondo on the list, there isn't enough proof that you can build a team around him alone. Pre big three era the celts weren't good and the big test to see what rondo will be made out of will be when we lose either kg or pierce in a year or so. Right now no
The last three on this list are questionable. Chandler is definitely not a corner stone. Lee is not really either. Harden might be soon.
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My list
Lebron James
Kevin Durant
Derrick Rose
Chris Paul
James Harden
David Lee
Sorry but Dwight Howard is not a guy i would want to build my team around. The guy is not a leader. Lakers are horrid so far with the type of talent they have on the team. I rather have Tyson Chandler. James Harden and David Lee have passed the test so far that they can carry/lead a team. They are the mvp for their teams so far
Though i love to put Rondo on the list, there isn't enough proof that you can build a team around him alone. Pre big three era the celts weren't good and the big test to see what rondo will be made out of will be when we lose either kg or pierce in a year or so. Right now no
The last three on this list are questionable. Chandler is definitely not a corner stone. Lee is not really either. Harden might be soon.
After thinking about it, i took off Chandler from the list.
David Lee no doubt about it has been GSW mvp this year. Without him, they would not be where they are at right now.
His play has taken off this year. He is a triple threat night in and night out. Points, rebounds, passing
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Top 8 build around
Durant
Rose (Healthy)
James
Irving
Rondo
CP3
TP
davis
Durant first because he is just a freak and he is still young
I put Rose ahead of James because he has the ability to just dominate that position for the next 8 years if he comes back close to what he was. Going forward with a 23-24 year old like that would be just unreal.
James only third becuase if im starting to build around something now i think Durant and Rose have more upside for a longer period of time. If Rose doesnt come back 100% James takes #2 spot
Irving the kid is going to be a stud no doubt about it
Rondo commands the floor like a true PG should and is probably top 5 in BBIQ in the league if you ask me
CP3 is just a boss
Tony Parker gets under appreciated because he is hidden away in SA. He is a ridiculously good player
Anothony Davis just has potential to be a Tim Duncan KG style player which is saying something (No one will ever match KG's intensity and passion though.)
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Are you talking about build around now or potential?
Irving has done nothing for cleveland so far. He plays or doesn't play the team is horrid.
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1. Durant
2. James
3. Dwight
4. Irving
5. Rose
6. Wade
7. Rondo
8. Carmelo
9. Harden
10. Love
11. Griffin
12. Paul George
Don't see any blatant omissions or crazy inclusions on your list. There are tons of different ways to go depending on the pieces around them and how soon you want to win a title (Chris Paul or even Kobe Bryant would be a much better choice in some instances than Love, Griffin, or George).
no offense, but not sure how you have Irving on the list. Cleveland is one of the worse teams in the league. A guy you can build around imo is a guy that carries the team through stats/leadership and helps them be contenders.
Its hard also if you can build on Griffin or Melo alone bc previous to this year, they only did subpar jobs in leading their teams to get somewhere. Love the same. Minny is just subpar
I think it's common sense. Stats and leadership certainly shouldn't be the only things you're looking for to build around. I don't see how you can leave potential out of the equation, especially in a going forward scenario....
Guys like Irving and Paul George will be all stars in their prime 5-6 years from now while Chris Paul and LeBron will be 34 and have no where near the speed that makes them so good at the moment. Other pieces can be added, for example your best player doesn't have to be your leader.
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Are you talking about build around now or potential?
Regardless, the future matters. Players don't get younger.
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Im gonna through LA in there as well.
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Are you talking about build around now or potential?
Regardless, the future matters. Players don't get younger.
It does matter but also what matters is what have you done for me today. What tests have you passed, where has your team gone. Cleveland the last few years have just stayed bad if not regressed. Nobody has mentioned John Wall on their lists, bc its the same story
Its still very new for Davis, so i would wait a another few years before adding him on the list. Irving imo is not all that great as many think. His offensive capabilities are elite , but his defensive abilities is suspect. He gets blown by enough times by many pg's in the league.
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Are you talking about build around now or potential?
Regardless, the future matters. Players don't get younger.
It does matter but also what matters is what have you done for me today. What tests have you passed, where has your team gone. Cleveland the last few years have just stayed bad if not regressed. Nobody has mentioned John Wall on their lists, bc its the same story
Its still very new for Davis, so i would wait a another few years before adding him on the list. Irving imo is not all that great as many think. His offensive capabilities are elite , but his defensive abilities is suspect. He gets blown by enough times by many pg's in the league.
I think there's a clear difference between John Wall and Kyrie Irving in terms of potential, current production, and variety of players that mix well with them.
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To make it more clear, let's pretend that the league started over today and there was a draft drawn up for all the current NBA players. So the GMs making the pick would have to consider all the things there are to consider: talent, age, potential, leadership, box office draw, etc. Who are you going to build your team around? What would be the draft order of the top 12?
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Are you talking about build around now or potential?
Irving has done nothing for cleveland so far. He plays or doesn't play the team is horrid.
Exactly. And rose won an MVP, led his team to best record twice, an eastern conference finale in his first 3 years...yeah he got hurt but kyrie is injury prone and done nothing.
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To make it more clear, let's pretend that the league started over today and there was a draft drawn up for all the current NBA players. So the GMs making the pick would have to consider all the things there are to consider: talent, age, potential, leadership, box office draw, etc. Who are you going to build your team around? What would be the draft order of the top 12?
LeBron and Durant, one and two.
Dwight Howard is a very tough one with his back injury. That would probably scare me enough to leave him back a few slots. More around 10th place instead of top three.
I wouldn't select any of the older players like Duncan, Garnett, Dirk or Kobe. I prefer to build around bigs than guards. So I'd be inclined to take them early and PGs afterwards.
I will go with Anthony Davis at #3. Maybe Blake Griffin at #4. Oh, Carmelo #5. Then I'd have a run on guards. Only one high level two guard, James Harden. The rest are point guards. Kyrie Irving. Rajon Rondo. Chris Paul. Maybe Westbrook.
And Kevin Love in there somewhere. Probably behind the first four guards but ahead of Westbrook (decision making as PG). I don't like building around point guards so Harden is near the top of that grouping.
That leaves Derrick Rose and Dwight Howard competing for the final spot. Not sure who's injury scares me more right now. Maybe they're competing with Westbrook too. Final two slots up for grabs. Westbrook isn't really a player I'd like to build around. More of a number two than a number one due to his bad decision making and high usage at PG.
#1 - LeBron James
#2 - Kevin Durant
#3 - Anthony Davis
#4 - Blake Griffin
#5 - Carmelo Anthony
#6 - Kyrie Irving
#7 - James Harden
#8 - Chris Paul
#9 - Kevin Love
#10 - Rajon Rondo
#11 - Russell Westbrook
#12 - Derrick Rose
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I'm bold--I'd put Drummond in there too.
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To make it more clear, let's pretend that the league started over today and there was a draft drawn up for all the current NBA players. So the GMs making the pick would have to consider all the things there are to consider: talent, age, potential, leadership, box office draw, etc. Who are you going to build your team around? What would be the draft order of the top 12?
If it was a pure draft, I'd go:
Lebron
Durant
Paul
Melo (no, not OUR Melo)
After that, it'd be a run on bigs
Howard
M.Gasol
Griffin
Love
Alrdidge
Davis
Drummond
Cousins
Monroe
After that, then you'd see Rondo and the other PGs/SGs. Maybe one or two get taken admist the bigs. Unless you're getting one of the top 4, you have to take a big. A good/great PG is nothing without a good/great big. Right now there are more quality PG than bigs. The more scarce commodity gets taken first.
Note: If "playoff" Rondo was a seperate player, he'd be taken with the top 4. Regular season Rondo coasts (due to his body, he has to), so he loses value.
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To make it more clear, let's pretend that the league started over today and there was a draft drawn up for all the current NBA players. So the GMs making the pick would have to consider all the things there are to consider: talent, age, potential, leadership, box office draw, etc. Who are you going to build your team around? What would be the draft order of the top 12?
LeBron and Durant, one and two.
Dwight Howard is a very tough one with his back injury. That would probably scare me enough to leave him back a few slots. More around 10th place instead of top three.
I wouldn't select any of the older players like Duncan, Garnett, Dirk or Kobe. I prefer to build around bigs than guards. So I'd be inclined to take them early and PGs afterwards.
I will go with Anthony Davis at #3. Maybe Blake Griffin at #4. Oh, Carmelo #5. Then I'd have a run on guards. Only one high level two guard, James Harden. The rest are point guards. Kyrie Irving. Rajon Rondo. Chris Paul. Maybe Westbrook.
And Kevin Love in there somewhere. Probably behind the first four guards but ahead of Westbrook (decision making as PG). I don't like building around point guards so Harden is near the top of that grouping.
That leaves Derrick Rose and Dwight Howard competing for the final spot. Not sure who's injury scares me more right now. Maybe they're competing with Westbrook too. Final two slots up for grabs. Westbrook isn't really a player I'd like to build around. More of a number two than a number one due to his bad decision making and high usage at PG.
#1 - LeBron James
#2 - Kevin Durant
#3 - Anthony Davis
#4 - Blake Griffin
#5 - Carmelo Anthony
#6 - Kyrie Irving
#7 - James Harden
#8 - Chris Paul
#9 - Kevin Love
#10 - Rajon Rondo
#11 - Russell Westbrook
#12 - Derrick Rose
Westbrook over Rose? Ouch. Injury or not I'd be more worried about my main guy shooting under 42% from the field in 3 out of 5 seasons. That's not even considering he's always been the second best player on his team (with an amazing shot creator in Harden), compared to Rose, who has always commanded the full attention away from his group of role players that can't take an 8 seed to 7 games.
Despite being similar scorers, definitely give me the guy that will endlessly take it to the rim over the guy that shoots more long 2s. And I don't see how anybody could take Westbrook based simply on the fact that Rose destroys him in late game situations, when it really counts.