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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: rutzan on January 05, 2013, 10:54:41 AM
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Jason Terry
30.1 minutes/gm
.432 FG %
.378 3PT%
.873% FT%
2.0 rebs
2.1 assts
0.1 blks
1.0 stls
1.2 TO
11.2 pts/gm
Ray Allen
25.8 minutes/gm
.477 FG%
.457 3PT % (NBA/4th & Career High)
.894 FT%
3.4 rebs
1.7 assts
0.1 blks
0.9 stls
1.2 TO
11.3 pts/gm
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Totally different roles for different teams.
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Scoring/spacing aside, I think the defense and rebounding is the real difference.
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Scoring/spacing aside, I think the defense and rebounding is the real difference.
Can you explain what you mean?. They are both mediocre defenders and rebounders.
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Totally different roles for different teams.
What do they do differently? I think it'd be difficult to find two guys with more similar roles. Pure floor spacers. Ray drives the ball/attacks the rim more and has a bigger role in the clutch, but overall I wouldn't say "totally different."
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Scoring/spacing aside, I think the defense and rebounding is the real difference.
Can you explain what you mean?. They are both mediocre defenders and rebounders.
Self-explanatory. Ray is only an average defender and rebounder, and I thought it was clear he's superior to Terry in those areas both now and throughout their careers (and not insignificantly).
Edit: For the record, Ray's rebound rate doubles Terry's.
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Totally different roles for different teams.
What do they do differently? I think it'd be difficult to find two guys with more similar roles. Pure floor spacers. Ray drives the ball/attacks the rim more and has a bigger role in the clutch, but overall I wouldn't say "totally different."
I guess I misspoke. Their style of play is different is more accurate. Still, completely different teams.
Ray Allen has the luxury of playing off of James and Wade. He is an afterthought for defenses. Terry gets more attention. Switch the players on their respective teams, and you'd like see a different story. Ray would still be more efficient but less effective overall. Terry would likely be more efficient, but probably have the same averages in raw numbers.
That being said, sure Ray is playing better for certain. Terry has just been really bad on offense this year in strecthes. He has had some good games though. Terry is probably better on defense, as bad as he has been. Ray has killed Miami's defense this year when he is on the court.
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Scoring/spacing aside, I think the defense and rebounding is the real difference.
Can you explain what you mean?. They are both mediocre defenders and rebounders.
Rebounding / Guards / NBA
Ray Allen
3.4
31st
Paul George
7.3
1st
Andre Iguodala
5.7
2nd
Kobe
5.2
4th
Westbrook
5.1
5th
Rondo
5.0
6th
Wade
4.5
8th
Harden
4.3
12th
Kidd
4.3
12th
Sefolosha
4.2
14th
Holliday
4.1
15th
Vince Carter
3.9
18th
Lin
3.8
20th
Mayo
3.6
23rd
Jennings
3.6
25th
Paul
3.5
26th
Tony Allen
3.5
27th
Monta Ellis
3.5
28th
Ginobili
3.5
28th
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Totally different roles for different teams.
What do they do differently?
Jason Terry is a combo guard. Ray is a pure 2-guard. Terry was brought in to play both the 1 and the 2, which he does.
Terry is also a bench player at this point in his career. We have played him too much in our starting lineup. He was on pace for the most games started since his 2006-2007 season with Dallas before AB came back.
Ray left us because we benched him.
Two totally different roles.
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I'll still take Ray any day of the week.
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Totally different roles for different teams.
What do they do differently? I think it'd be difficult to find two guys with more similar roles. Pure floor spacers. Ray drives the ball/attacks the rim more and has a bigger role in the clutch, but overall I wouldn't say "totally different."
I guess I misspoke. Their style of play is different is more accurate. Still, completely different teams.
Ray Allen has the luxury of playing off of James and Wade. He is an afterthought for defenses. Terry gets more attention. Switch the players on their respective teams, and you'd like see a different story. Ray would still be more efficient but less effective overall. Terry would likely be more efficient, but probably have the same averages in raw numbers.
That being said, sure Ray is playing better for certain. Terry has just been really bad on offense this year in strecthes. He has had some good games though. Terry is probably better on defense, as bad as he has been. Ray has killed Miami's defense this year when he is on the court.
Ah okay. I concede "totally different teams."
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I don't think there would be all that much difference if we traded Jason Terry for Ray Allen tomorrow. Ray is statistically more efficient this year but I think Jason Terry is a little more versitile (more of a creater, can play some PG,...). Ray may be a little more clutch as well so OK, maybe a slight edge to Ray.
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Totally different roles for different teams.
What do they do differently?
Jason Terry is a combo guard. Ray is a pure 2-guard. Terry was brought in to play both the 1 and the 2, which he does.
Terry is also a bench player at this point in his career. We have played him too much in our starting lineup. He was on pace for the most games started since his 2006-2007 season with Dallas before AB came back.
Ray left us because we benched him.
Two totally different roles.
Haha, Courtney Lee brings up the ball more than Terry. He's certainly not playing much backup point for us. Sure he guards some 1s, but he's nothing close to the combo guard he was in Dallas.
Honestly, this year Ray handles the ball more as a 2 than Terry does at both positions.