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Around the League => Transaction Ideas and Rumors => Topic started by: pearljammer10 on January 04, 2013, 08:38:35 AM
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Minny is said to be interested in Varejo. Lets get in on a semi realistic deal that might help us this year and stabilize the roster for the next couple.
Minny out: Williams, Pekovic, Ridnour, First Round
Minny in: Varejo, Bass, First Round Cavs
Cavs Out: Varejo, First Round Pick
Cavs In: D Williams, C Lee, First Round pick Wolves, First Round from C's
Boston Out: Bass, Lee First Round
Boston in: Pekovic, Ridnour Second Round from Cavs
Rondo/Ridnour
Bradley/Terry
Pierce/Green
KG/Sully
Pekovic/Wilcox/Collins
Wolves:
Rubio/Barea
Roy (if healthy)/Shved/Malcom Lee
AK47/Budinger
Love/Bass
Varejo/Steamah
Cavs:
Irving/Gibson
Waiters/Lee
Gee/Miles/Caspi
Thompson/Williams
Zeller/Leuer
Think its well balanced all around. Leaves the Cavs a little thin at the center spot. Maybe would have to bring in a 4th team. Love it for us however.
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I don't see this one as very realistic.
Pekovic isn't a household name, but he's averaging 16 / 8 and is bringing toughness to the Minnesota interior. We're not going to land him for a draft pick and a couple of mediocre veterans on long-term deals, in my opinion.
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I agree with Roy. Garbage out does not land one of the best centers in basketball. In addition, neither Minnesota or Cleveland does this trade.
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Yeah they'd want Varejao with Pek.
Can this trade not go down without Boston in the middle?
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Dont see this happening, like previuously stated why do either teams need the Cs to make this deal?
If Minn really wants Varejao then why not work a Pek for Varejao trade?
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I don't see this one as very realistic.
Pekovic isn't a household name, but he's averaging 16 / 8 and is bringing toughness to the Minnesota interior. We're not going to land him for a draft pick and a couple of mediocre veterans on long-term deals, in my opinion.
Agreed. This isn't remotely realistic.
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I'd love to get Pekovic and Ridnour, and I think this trade has merit.
If the Cavs are truly in rebuild mode and are looking to dump Varejao, they'll want young guys and draft picks in return, and this scenario gives them two of each. I think that, in a vacuum, Varejao is worth more, but the teams with the best draft picks (ultra-noncontenders) won't be trading for him, and top contenders likely won't have good picks to offer.
Minny, of course, gets the best player in this deal, and a Love-Varejao combo is better than Love-Pekovic.
Boston gets a solid, desperately needed big AND a solid backup for Rondo.
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I'd love to get Pekovic and Ridnour, and I think this trade has merit.
If the Cavs are truly in rebuild mode and are looking to dump Varejao, they'll want young guys and draft picks in return, and this scenario gives them two of each. I think that, in a vacuum, Varejao is worth more, but the teams with the best draft picks (ultra-noncontenders) won't be trading for him, and top contenders likely won't have good picks to offer.
Minny, of course, gets the best player in this deal, and a Love-Varejao combo is better than Love-Pekovic.
Boston gets a solid, desperately needed big AND a solid backup for Rondo.
This was my thought in making the trade. Minny might have the best package to offer of any "contender" or playoff team. Varejo and Love will be taking up most of the minutes in the frontcourt making Pekovic expendable, and Bass gives them an athletic big off the bench to fill the back up minutes. Plus they get great first round pick.
The Cavs get Williams who can be another young asset for their rebuild. Whether they keep or trade him. Plus stockpile two first rounders and get a veteran back up guard to help coach Waiters along.
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The trade might not be realistic, but I could certainly see Minnesota in a three way deal with us. Lee and maybe even Bass fit a real need for them.
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The trade might not be realistic, but I could certainly see Minnesota in a three way deal with us. Lee and maybe even Bass fit a real need for them.
This was the problem with the trade I proposed because Lee and Bass would be a much better return for the Wolves.
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The trade might not be realistic, but I could certainly see Minnesota in a three way deal with us. Lee and maybe even Bass fit a real need for them.
This was the problem with the trade I proposed because Lee and Bass would be a much better return for the Wolves.
I'm wondering if maybe the Wolves could help facilitate a trade for Dalembert? Maybe Derrick Williams and a first.
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The trade might not be realistic, but I could certainly see Minnesota in a three way deal with us. Lee and maybe even Bass fit a real need for them.
This was the problem with the trade I proposed because Lee and Bass would be a much better return for the Wolves.
I'm wondering if maybe the Wolves could help facilitate a trade for Dalembert? Maybe Derrick Williams and a first.
Derrick Williams' value has probably dropped, but I've got to think that he's worth more than Dalembert.
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The trade might not be realistic, but I could certainly see Minnesota in a three way deal with us. Lee and maybe even Bass fit a real need for them.
This was the problem with the trade I proposed because Lee and Bass would be a much better return for the Wolves.
I'm wondering if maybe the Wolves could help facilitate a trade for Dalembert? Maybe Derrick Williams and a first.
Derrick Williams' value has probably dropped, but I've got to think that he's worth more than Dalembert.
I don't think he's shown anything to make me believe that he's anything more than another bad David Kahn pick.
Minnesota gets a starting SG out of the deal and a true backup 4.
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pekovic would be awesome. big. mean. red lasers.
(http://p.twimg.com/AnmJl3mCQAAHAHx.jpg:large)
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That is too funny. TP.
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pekovic? are you kidding me? thats your answer to a championship? cousins or bust.
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The trade might not be realistic, but I could certainly see Minnesota in a three way deal with us. Lee and maybe even Bass fit a real need for them.
This was the problem with the trade I proposed because Lee and Bass would be a much better return for the Wolves.
I'm wondering if maybe the Wolves could help facilitate a trade for Dalembert? Maybe Derrick Williams and a first.
Derrick Williams' value has probably dropped, but I've got to think that he's worth more than Dalembert.
I don't think he's shown anything to make me believe that he's anything more than another bad David Kahn pick.
Minnesota gets a starting SG out of the deal and a true backup 4.
I'm confused about what trade you're proposing.
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pekovic? are you kidding me? thats your answer to a championship? cousins or bust.
Have you even seen Pekovic play? If a championship in the short term is the goal, Pekovic probably gets us closer than Cousins does.
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pekovic? are you kidding me? thats your answer to a championship? cousins or bust.
Have you even seen Pekovic play? If a championship in the short term is the goal, Pekovic probably gets us closer than Cousins does.
pekovic doesnt even start for the woeful timberwolves. thats how good he is.
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I want Varejao. He is the guy that I feel would add some life to this wilting bunch. Question is, how to get him?? How about we go all out and try to package Rondo, Bass and Sullinger for Irving and side show Bob?? It works on real gm when bass becomes available to trade. If they require more like Mello or a future pic, I do it. We still have a kick arse point guard and get a guy with an endless motor and huge heart.
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The trade might not be realistic, but I could certainly see Minnesota in a three way deal with us. Lee and maybe even Bass fit a real need for them.
This was the problem with the trade I proposed because Lee and Bass would be a much better return for the Wolves.
I'm wondering if maybe the Wolves could help facilitate a trade for Dalembert? Maybe Derrick Williams and a first.
Derrick Williams' value has probably dropped, but I've got to think that he's worth more than Dalembert.
I don't think he's shown anything to make me believe that he's anything more than another bad David Kahn pick.
Minnesota gets a starting SG out of the deal and a true backup 4.
I'm confused about what trade you're proposing.
I think the SG he's referring to is Lee, and the backup 4 is Bass
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pekovic? are you kidding me? thats your answer to a championship? cousins or bust.
Have you even seen Pekovic play? If a championship in the short term is the goal, Pekovic probably gets us closer than Cousins does.
pekovic doesnt even start for the woeful timberwolves. thats how good he is.
Pek is a physical, angry kind of dude who's currently putting up 18 and 9 per 36. I'd take him over Cousins b/c we'd probably have to give up less.
Although I hear Minny loves him.
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pekovic? are you kidding me? thats your answer to a championship? cousins or bust.
Have you even seen Pekovic play? If a championship in the short term is the goal, Pekovic probably gets us closer than Cousins does.
pekovic doesnt even start for the woeful timberwolves. thats how good he is.
So your answer is, you haven't watched him or the Twolves play?
He's started all 27 games he's appeared in this year. Also, the Twolves are above .500, so I'm not sure that you know what "woeful" means, either.
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pekovic? are you kidding me? thats your answer to a championship? cousins or bust.
Have you even seen Pekovic play? If a championship in the short term is the goal, Pekovic probably gets us closer than Cousins does.
pekovic doesnt even start for the woeful timberwolves. thats how good he is.
Pek is a physical, angry kind of dude who's currently putting up 18 and 9 per 36. I'd take him over Cousins b/c we'd probably have to give up less.
Although I hear Minny loves him.
Yeah, on one hand, I can't see why Minny would want to give him up, because he is young, productive, and talented. On the other hand, I believe he is a restricted free agent at the end of the year, and may be looking at a big payday. So, I could see a scenario where they don't want to pay him, when they already have Love as a max player, and are going to be paying Rubio soon.
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The original proposal will never work... Cleveland will NEVER take back Williams and Lee for Andy V. They'd laugh in your face. He's the only realistic trade chip they have, and they're not going to hand him away for two mediocre players and a couple of draft picks in a very weak draft.
I realize we Celtics fan want more than what we're giving (and I agree with the comments above - Pekovic is a VERY GOOD player!), but it will never happen.
Pekovic is also a pending free agent after this season. He will probably command (I'm reading) between 10-12 million per year - and he'll get it. So Minny is looking to move him for financial concerns and losing him for nothing in return - but I don't see any way Cleveland could be a part of the deal.
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pekovic? are you kidding me? thats your answer to a championship? cousins or bust.
Have you even seen Pekovic play? If a championship in the short term is the goal, Pekovic probably gets us closer than Cousins does.
pekovic doesnt even start for the woeful timberwolves. thats how good he is.
I wonder which NBA season you are watching, since you say the Wolves are woeful and Pekovic doesn't start.
Anyway, I'd take Pekovic over Cousins in a heartbeat if it was possible. No risks. He'll give you what the team needs right away. Not going to mess up the locker room. No headaches. Simple as that.
But the trade proposed is probably not happening, since Wolves will be unwilling to let Pekovic go.
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Mhmm. Pek is one of the better centers in the league. Great player, love his heart.
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pekovic? are you kidding me? thats your answer to a championship? cousins or bust.
Have you even seen Pekovic play? If a championship in the short term is the goal, Pekovic probably gets us closer than Cousins does.
pekovic doesnt even start for the woeful timberwolves. thats how good he is.
Anyway, I'd take Pekovic over Cousins in a heartbeat if it was possible. No risks. He'll give you what the team needs right away. Not going to mess up the locker room. No headaches. Simple as that.
But the trade proposed is probably not happening, since Wolves will be unwilling to let Pekovic go.
Would you really? Pek is 27 and Cousins is 22. Pek is averaging 17.8 and 9.1 per 36 minutes, and Cousins is averaging 19.4 and 11.6. Cousins is oozing potential.
Cousins is also arguably a better defender. Neither contribute as a shot blocker, but Cousins is averaging 1.5 spg as a big man. Pretty impressive - he has quick hands, and led the NBA in charges taken (49) last season.
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pekovic? are you kidding me? thats your answer to a championship? cousins or bust.
Have you even seen Pekovic play? If a championship in the short term is the goal, Pekovic probably gets us closer than Cousins does.
pekovic doesnt even start for the woeful timberwolves. thats how good he is.
Anyway, I'd take Pekovic over Cousins in a heartbeat if it was possible. No risks. He'll give you what the team needs right away. Not going to mess up the locker room. No headaches. Simple as that.
But the trade proposed is probably not happening, since Wolves will be unwilling to let Pekovic go.
Would you really? Pek is 27 and Cousins is 22. Pek is averaging 17.8 and 9.1 per 36 minutes, and Cousins is averaging 19.4 and 11.6. Cousins is oozing potential.
Cousins is also arguably a better defender. Neither contribute as a shot blocker, but Cousins is averaging 1.5 spg as a big man. Pretty impressive - he has quick hands, and led the NBA in charges taken (49) last season.
I would, since I'm trying to win it now, not when Cousins gets his act right five years later or so.
Honestly, I have some sort of grudge against Cousins, so, say, I'm not that objective when he is the subject of the matter. I don't like players demanding a trade halfway through their sophomore campaigns.
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pev over cousins? the cousins hate has now gone to a new level.
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Pekovic is a great center and he'd help us out a lot if we got him. I would be ecstatic if the Celtics traded for him. He's a great finisher, a good defender, and will give you the "Perk" mean interior defense factor. (Perk-Pek...get it? ;D)
That being said, Cousins is already the better player and has the potential to be so much better. He's the better offensive talent and the better defensive player. He'd help the Celtics out more than Pek, I would think. Then take into account his potential.
And from what I recall, Paul Westphal, the Kings coach who had a winning percentage of .298, was fired right after he claimed that Cousins wanted a trade.
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Minny out: Williams, Pekovic, Ridnour, First Round
Minny in: Varejo, Bass, First Round Cavs
Cavs Out: Varejo, First Round Pick
Cavs In: D Williams, C Lee, First Round pick Wolves, First Round from C's
Boston Out: Bass, Lee First Round
Boston in: Pekovic, Ridnour Second Round from Cavs
It feels like Minnesota doesn't need Boston. That they could just cut them out of the trade and keep Pekovic and land Varejao anyway.
Derrick Williams being the main attraction. Plus giving up a first.
Edit: By the way, I think is a very good trade idea for Minnesota to pursue. Varejao would be a huge addition to their frontline. A Pekovic, K-Love and Varejao three player big man rotation would be fearsome. Still have Kirilenko and C.Budinger at the three. Rubio, Shved, Ridnour and Barea in the backcourt. That team could make some noise in the playoffs.
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Apparently, according to Adelman, Pekovic has a good jump shot out to about 17 feet and is a very good passer out of the high post too. Only Adelman can't get him to play there. Pekovic keeps going into the paint. Wants to beat people up down there. Believes that is where a center should be.
I'd love to see Pekovic use those elements of his game offensively. It would make a huge difference to vary his game a little bit.