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Title: If Danny blows it up...(C's/Lakers)
Post by: ghost_of_davidthirdkill on January 03, 2013, 03:06:00 PM
This is contingent on everyone - that includes Danny, Doc, KG & PP - deciding that this team has run it's course as currently constituted.


Celtics send:  Paul Pierce & Kevin Garnett
Lakers send:   Dwight Howard & MWP


Why the Celtics do this?

As mentioned before, if everyone realizes there are no tweaks that can lead them to a championship, it might be best to break up the band.

I know most people here won't be able to stand the thought of Pierce or even KG in purple and gold, but if we're going to move them I don't want to send them to NBA Siberia (i.e. Sacramento).  Paul's an LA kid and KG has his home in Malibu.  If they're okay with this, then I'd be okay with this.

Now on to what the C's get.  While Howard might be a total Summer's Eve, he still is the best center in the league.  You team him up with Rondo, AB, Sullinger and Green, you have a talented and athletic (maybe Sully not so much in the athletic dept.) core to move forward with.

The concern with Howard is that he'll be a free agent at the end of the year and he won't resign in Boston.  I say if you can bring him in and let him play the remainder of this season with Rondo, he'll fall in love with both the tradition and the easy buckets Rajon will feed him.


Why the Lakers do this:

This current Lakers cocktail just hasn't mixed well.  Howard has never quite fit in with Kobe and now D'Antoni.  Additionaly, with their age and contracts, their best option would probably be to go for it all right now.  I think they're a much better team (and fit for D'Antoni's system) with KG & PP.  Those two would allow for much better spacing and ball movement, plus add championship grit that would mix well with Kobe.  Plus, all their contract would end in a couple of years (not including KG's option year).  That would allow them to retool with plenty of cap space.


 
Title: Re: If Danny blows it up...(C's/Lakers)
Post by: KG_ended_Bias on January 03, 2013, 03:27:06 PM
I would think about that seriously but only if D-12 signs a extension. And if he doesn't sign a extension, I would really do all I can to add DMC to help him think of resigning after playing with him for a couple of months. We would still have Green,Bass,Sully,Bradley,Melo to work with to get the job done. Rondo, Cousins & D-12 would be the best young nucleus in the NBA going forward so it would be worth it to me.
Title: Re: If Danny blows it up...(C's/Lakers)
Post by: KG Living Legend on January 03, 2013, 03:30:48 PM

 I 4 One think it's a decent idea. I'm currently in full go blow it up mode and Howard although I don't like him. Is a great building block with Rondo.
Title: Re: If Danny blows it up...(C's/Lakers)
Post by: Birdman on January 03, 2013, 03:37:26 PM
No way either team would do this deal
Title: Re: If Danny blows it up...(C's/Lakers)
Post by: rondohondo on January 03, 2013, 03:43:56 PM
A few trades if we are going to blow it up. We have to deal with another contender who wants PP and/or KG to try to put them over the top .

Bos sends: PP, KG
Den sends: Faried or McGee , Gallinari , filler

Bos sends: PP,KG, Barbosa
LAC Sends: Jordan, Bledsoe, Butler

Bos send: KG
okc sends: Perk , Toronto 1st and lamb, filler

Title: Re: If Danny blows it up...(C's/Lakers)
Post by: jambr380 on January 03, 2013, 03:59:53 PM
It's awful from an emotional perspective, but makes a lot of sense when thinking about the future - assuming everybody assumes we have no chance at a championship with our given core. I also agree with trying to get Cousins in here, as well, but would also try for Josh Smith.

It's awful to think about and I hope we can get this thing turned around, but I also don't want to be horrible for the next 10 years either...
Title: Re: If Danny blows it up...(C's/Lakers)
Post by: alajet on January 03, 2013, 04:00:57 PM

Celtics send:  Paul Pierce & Kevin Garnett
Lakers send:   Dwight Howard & MWP


Lakers would win it all with that trade this season. Just too many weapons to deal with.

Bos sends: PP, KG
Den sends: Faried or McGee , Gallinari , filler

I don't think Denver is in a position to contend, so, giving up young pieces may not be the best move.

Bos sends: PP,KG, Barbosa
LAC Sends: Jordan, Bledsoe, Butler

This is a great trade for Boston. They get a young center with rebounding and blocking abilities, and get a guard that could be valuable in a bigger role.
Can't see the Clippers doing it, though. Why mess up with something going on well?

Bos send: KG
okc sends: Perk , Toronto 1st and lamb, filler

OKC pretty much gives nothing for KG, so, they'd do it in a heartbeat. Not sure why we would want this deal, though.
Title: Re: If Danny blows it up...(C's/Lakers)
Post by: rondohondo on January 03, 2013, 04:04:06 PM

Celtics send:  Paul Pierce & Kevin Garnett
Lakers send:   Dwight Howard & MWP


Lakers would win it all with that trade this season. Just too many weapons to deal with.

Bos sends: PP, KG
Den sends: Faried or McGee , Gallinari , filler

I don't think Denver is in a position to contend, so, giving up young pieces may not be the best move.

Bos sends: PP,KG, Barbosa
LAC Sends: Jordan, Bledsoe, Butler

This is a great trade for Boston. They get a young center with rebounding and blocking abilities, and get a guard that could be valuable in a bigger role.
Can't see the Clippers doing it, though. Why mess up with something going on well?

Bos send: KG
okc sends: Perk , Toronto 1st and lamb, filler

OKC pretty much gives nothing for KG, so, they'd do it in a heartbeat. Not sure why we would want this deal, though.

Tonto's pick is only top 3 protected, tornoto is 12-20. It will likely be a top 10 pick.
Title: Re: If Danny blows it up...(C's/Lakers)
Post by: LarBrd33 on January 03, 2013, 04:49:38 PM
you lost me when you suggested trading two guys with a foot in retirement for the best big man alive.
Title: Re: If Danny blows it up...(C's/Lakers)
Post by: action781 on January 03, 2013, 04:54:49 PM
Hypothetical - would you trade Rondo, Pierce, and KG for Nash and Dwight if Dwight extended his contract for 5 years?

Nash would be purely temporary entertainment and cap filler while the real goal here is to build around D12 for 5 years
Title: Re: If Danny blows it up...(C's/Lakers)
Post by: LarBrd33 on January 03, 2013, 04:57:06 PM
Hypothetical - would you trade Rondo, Pierce, and KG for Nash and Dwight if Dwight extended his contract for 5 years?

Nash would be purely temporary entertainment and cap filler while the real goal here is to build around D12 for 5 years
Hypothetically you'd trade most of our team for Dwight HOward.  He's a top 5 player ... kind of guy who has taken a group of scrubs to the Finals.  Rondo will never be that player... and beyond Rondo our team is made up of mediocre prospects, players with a foot in retirement and average role players.
Title: Re: If Danny blows it up...(C's/Lakers)
Post by: KG_ended_Bias on January 03, 2013, 04:57:49 PM
you lost me when you suggested trading two guys with a foot in retirement for the best big man alive.
I think the Lakers would be the fools not to except that deal.

PG: Nash
SG: Kobe
SF: Pierce
PF: Garnett
C:   Gasol

Thats a veteran laden team that knows what it takes to sacrifice & win! KG & Pierce would inspire Gasol & help Nash get easier assist from great open jumpshooting. I think its a no brainer for the Lakers but tough from a management standpoint for the C's because Dwight may not re-up.
Title: Re: If Danny blows it up...(C's/Lakers)
Post by: rondohondo on January 03, 2013, 05:21:14 PM
you lost me when you suggested trading two guys with a foot in retirement for the best big man alive.
I think the Lakers would be the fools not to except that deal.

PG: Nash
SG: Kobe
SF: Pierce
PF: Garnett
C:   Gasol

Thats a veteran laden team that knows what it takes to sacrifice & win! KG & Pierce would inspire Gasol & help Nash get easier assist from great open jumpshooting. I think its a no brainer for the Lakers but tough from a management standpoint for the C's because Dwight may not re-up.

If Kobe isn't getting the best center in the league involved, what makes you think he would try to get PP or KG involved on offense?
Title: Re: If Danny blows it up...(C's/Lakers)
Post by: pearljammer10 on January 03, 2013, 05:21:47 PM
you lost me when you suggested trading two guys with a foot in retirement for the best big man alive.
I think the Lakers would be the fools not to except that deal.

PG: Nash
SG: Kobe
SF: Pierce
PF: Garnett
C:   Gasol

Thats a veteran laden team that knows what it takes to sacrifice & win! KG & Pierce would inspire Gasol & help Nash get easier assist from great open jumpshooting. I think its a no brainer for the Lakers but tough from a management standpoint for the C's because Dwight may not re-up.

The Lakers would be fools to not do it... I think we would be fools to do it. I dont know man. I just couldnt fathom that deal I dont think...

Nash
Bryant
Pierce
Garnett
Gasol

is an instant championship squad.

Rondo/Terry
Bradley/Lee
Green/Metta
Sully/Bass
Howard/Wilcox

Is not.
Title: Re: If Danny blows it up...(C's/Lakers)
Post by: KGs Knee on January 04, 2013, 12:13:42 AM
I believe that was 17 times I threw up reading this thread.

Sacrilege!
Title: Re: If Danny blows it up...(C's/Lakers)
Post by: blink on January 04, 2013, 12:38:37 AM
Don't know how Kobe and PP will work in the same lineup.  I mean they kind of do the same thing.  PP needs touches to get into the groove.  I don't see him getting any with Kobe.

I think KG and Gasol would be a sweet front court though.  That would be just as scarey as Gasol and Bynum but in a different way.

No way it would ever happen.  Can't see DA trading KG to the LAL...
Title: Re: If Danny blows it up...(C's/Lakers)
Post by: alajet on January 04, 2013, 12:42:16 AM
Tonto's pick is only top 3 protected, tornoto is 12-20. It will likely be a top 10 pick.

Generally you won't get a superstar caliber player at around 10th pick.
Besides, they are challenging for the title with this team. They can't possibly develop a future's potential star in that roster. That's why they are giving next to nothing away for KG. They'd do it.

you lost me when you suggested trading two guys with a foot in retirement for the best big man alive.
I think the Lakers would be the fools not to except that deal.

PG: Nash
SG: Kobe
SF: Pierce
PF: Garnett
C:   Gasol

Thats a veteran laden team that knows what it takes to sacrifice & win! KG & Pierce would inspire Gasol & help Nash get easier assist from great open jumpshooting. I think its a no brainer for the Lakers but tough from a management standpoint for the C's because Dwight may not re-up.

If Kobe isn't getting the best center in the league involved, what makes you think he would try to get PP or KG involved on offense?

When that so-called best center in the league is only reliable with the dunks, I definitely think he'd get KG involved.
Title: Re: If Danny blows it up...(C's/Lakers)
Post by: alajet on January 04, 2013, 12:43:35 AM
you lost me when you suggested trading two guys with a foot in retirement for the best big man alive.
I think the Lakers would be the fools not to except that deal.

PG: Nash
SG: Kobe
SF: Pierce
PF: Garnett
C:   Gasol

Thats a veteran laden team that knows what it takes to sacrifice & win! KG & Pierce would inspire Gasol & help Nash get easier assist from great open jumpshooting. I think its a no brainer for the Lakers but tough from a management standpoint for the C's because Dwight may not re-up.

If Kobe isn't getting the best center in the league involved, what makes you think he would try to get PP or KG involved on offense?

When that so-called best center in the league is only reliable with the dunks, I definitely think he'd get KG involved.
Title: Re: If Danny blows it up...(C's/Lakers)
Post by: KGs Knee on January 04, 2013, 01:21:21 AM
How about we get Gasol from LA.  They have just as bad a record as us.

Just need to bend the rule of the CBA
Title: Re: If Danny blows it up...(C's/Lakers)
Post by: fitzhickey on January 04, 2013, 03:03:27 AM
you lost me when you suggested trading two guys with a foot in retirement for the best big man alive.
I think the Lakers would be the fools not to except that deal.

PG: Nash
SG: Kobe
SF: Pierce
PF: Garnett
C:   Gasol

Thats a veteran laden team that knows what it takes to sacrifice & win! KG & Pierce would inspire Gasol & help Nash get easier assist from great open jumpshooting. I think its a no brainer for the Lakers but tough from a management standpoint for the C's because Dwight may not re-up.

If Kobe isn't getting the best center in the league involved, what makes you think he would try to get PP or KG involved on offense?

When that so-called best center in the league is only reliable with the dunks, I definitely think he'd get KG involved.
On bleacher report (ugh) they rate Kobe 12th best playmaker in the league. He should be able to get anyone in the league involved
Title: Re: If Danny blows it up...(C's/Lakers)
Post by: Smutzy#9 on January 04, 2013, 03:37:56 AM
A few trades if we are going to blow it up. We have to deal with another contender who wants PP and/or KG to try to put them over the top .

Bos sends: PP, KG
Den sends: Faried or McGee , Gallinari , filler

Bos sends: PP,KG, Barbosa
LAC Sends: Jordan, Bledsoe, Butler

Bos send: KG
okc sends: Perk , Toronto 1st and lamb, filler

They are turrahable turrahable trades
Title: Re: If Danny blows it up...(C's/Lakers)
Post by: TripleOT on January 04, 2013, 03:58:10 AM
I thin Denver would move McGee and Gallinari for KG and PP.  They've got two other 7 footers on their roster, as well as a rebounding machine in Faried. Evan Fornier is young, but he's already shown that he has an NBA outside game (52%/39% in limited minutes), and seems to be a good athlete.  They can develop him as a cheaper alternative to Gallo. 

Boston gets: McGee, Gallinari, Anthony Randolph, and Jordan Hamilton
Denver gets: KG, Pierce and a pick. 

Denver: Lawson, Iggy, PP, KG, Faried, with Miller, Wilson Chandler, Koufos, Mozgof, Brewer, Fornier.  That team would have a puncher's chance in any playoff series, something
you can't say about the current team.

Boston gets three guys who can run the floor, and a shooter with size in Gallo(who can't hit shots this season 40/23%) and could benefit from a change of scenery.  McGee is a knucklehead, but has a ton of ability and could develop into a Tyson Chandler type with Rondo setting him up near the rim.  Randolph hasn't shown he can be a solid rotation guy, but is a good athlete with size. 

Rondo, AB, Gallinari, Sullinger, McGee, with JT, Lee, Green, Bass and Randolph.  That team would probably battle for an 8th seed, but is young and could develop.  Ainge could move JT for expiring/young asset/pick.

Does Denver do this deal? Gallo failed last playoffs (13 ppg on 13 shots, shooting 38/17%) and hasn't turned it around so far this season.  I could see them selling on Gallo and developing Fornier instead.  Pierce can give them a coulpe years of top SF play, with Chandler in reserve. McGee is in and out of Karl's doghouse, and hasn't started a game this season.

I don't see either KG or PP wanting to play in Denver.   Watching KG and Faried play together would be fun. Ditto PP and Miller, two old schoolers who know how to play.  KG, Faried, PP, Iggy and Miller would be a very good close out line up in close games.     
 
Title: Re: If Danny blows it up...(C's/Lakers)
Post by: Who on January 04, 2013, 04:29:42 AM
Denver: Lawson, Iggy, PP, KG, Faried, with Miller, Wilson Chandler, Koufos, Mozgof, Brewer, Fornier.  That team would have a puncher's chance in any playoff series, something
you can't say about the current team.

PG: Ty Lawson, Andre Miller
SG: Andre Iguodala, Corey Brewer, Evan Fournier
SF: Paul Pierce, Wilson Chandler
PF: Kevin Garnett, Kenneth Faried
C:  Kosta Koufos, Timofey Mozgov

Yeah, I agree. I think Denver should make that trade. They are going nowhere and that lineup would have a chance at competing for a title. Great trade idea.

I think Denver should keep Jordan Hamilton as well. He is a nice prospect. Gives them someone (a small forward) to take over Pierce's minutes when he leaves. They are already giving up a fair bit in Gallo and McGee. Boston could maybe keep their draft pick in that case.

I think Denver should start Koufos and bring Faried off the bench. Finish with Faried at the four alongside Garnett at the five. A lineup with Wilson Chandler at the four alongside Garnett, Pierce, Iggy and Ty Lawson would be a pretty awesome offensive lineup.
Title: Re: If Danny blows it up...(C's/Lakers)
Post by: alajet on January 04, 2013, 04:44:34 AM
I don't think Denver will stand much of a chance with that roster in the play-offs. I'd say they are still very thin to trade young players with potential for vets to try to turn on the win-now mode.

From a blow up perspective, it's nice for the Celtics. They are immediately filling the spots that are left open by the departure of veteran stars.
Title: Re: If Danny blows it up...(C's/Lakers)
Post by: Moranis on January 04, 2013, 06:43:06 AM
The Lakers are not trading Dwight Howard for Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett. 
Title: Re: If Danny blows it up...(C's/Lakers)
Post by: Celtics4ever on January 04, 2013, 07:36:07 AM
I got a bridge I will throw in this trade for a few $$$$.