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Title: Starting to think terry should be the odd man out
Post by: droopdog7 on January 02, 2013, 09:10:55 PM
Simply notmgivingus enough on offense to make up for his porous defense.  Lee can probably hit the same open shots that terry does and better defense.  Avery, rondo, and lee could get the bulk of the minutes at guard.

Lot of people didn't realize how rays presence on the floor, both because of his great shooting and because of him running around, helped everyone else.  Terry simply does not do either of those for our offense.  He only helps if he is scoring.
Title: Re: Starting to think terry should be the odd man out
Post by: CelticG1 on January 02, 2013, 09:16:35 PM
Im just convinced that Terry is having the worst year of his career.

I never imagined he could be this bad. He literally hasn't given the Celtics anything
Title: Re: Starting to think terry should be the odd man out
Post by: kozlodoev on January 02, 2013, 09:21:21 PM
There are so many "odd men out" right now that we can't put together an eight-man rotation if we keep all of them on the bench.
Title: Re: Starting to think terry should be the odd man out
Post by: Who on January 02, 2013, 09:42:20 PM
Yep, I want to see Terry's minutes scaled back hugely. To a 15-18 minute a night backup.

I would love to see Barbosa get a shot in Terry's role also. I think he may offer the team more. His play earlier in the season was encouraging.
Title: Re: Starting to think terry should be the odd man out
Post by: LarBrd33 on January 02, 2013, 10:00:44 PM
Terry has always been a one dimensional player... even in his prime.  His size prevents him from making much of an impact.  Nice scorer off the bench.  Nothing more.   He's started for some teams by default, because they had no better option, but he's never been a great player.  Excellent option off the bench if you're lookin for some points, though.

Courtney Lee is our best all around shooting guard and even he is probably best off coming off the bench.  Not a building block or anything.
Title: Re: Starting to think terry should be the odd man out
Post by: apc on January 02, 2013, 10:07:48 PM
Terry gets the same treatment from Doc as the big three.
meaning he could play absolutely terrible and still get his minutes and respect from Doc.
Title: Re: Starting to think terry should be the odd man out
Post by: kozlodoev on January 02, 2013, 10:09:32 PM
Terry gets the same treatment from Doc as the big three.
meaning he could play absolutely terrible and still get his minutes and respect from Doc.
It's called "playing your best players through slumps". You should check it out, most of the NBA coaches do it.
Title: Re: Starting to think terry should be the odd man out
Post by: scaryjerry on January 02, 2013, 10:14:28 PM


Courtney Lee is our best all around shooting guard

Sad.
Title: Re: Starting to think terry should be the odd man out
Post by: apc on January 02, 2013, 10:27:02 PM
Terry gets the same treatment from Doc as the big three.
meaning he could play absolutely terrible and still get his minutes and respect from Doc.
It's called "playing your best players through slumps". You should check it out, most of the NBA coaches do it.
problem is Doc often ignores what works during the game and goes back to his usual guys to finish the game no matter how bad they played.
Title: Re: Starting to think terry should be the odd man out
Post by: rocknrollforyoursoul on January 02, 2013, 10:32:03 PM
Terry gets the same treatment from Doc as the big three.
meaning he could play absolutely terrible and still get his minutes and respect from Doc.
It's called "playing your best players through slumps". You should check it out, most of the NBA coaches do it.

Problem with this team is that ALL of its best players are slumping. Pierce had one good quarter tonight, Rondo shot poorly (and why is he taking 4 threes?), and KG has alternately struggled lately with his shooting and rebounding.
Title: Re: Starting to think terry should be the odd man out
Post by: SHAQATTACK on January 02, 2013, 10:32:50 PM
Im just convinced that Terry is having the worst year of his career.

I never imagined he could be this bad. He literally hasn't given the Celtics anything

he gots a nice Boston tat  ??? 
Title: Re: Starting to think terry should be the odd man out
Post by: blink on January 02, 2013, 10:33:02 PM
Terry gets the same treatment from Doc as the big three.
meaning he could play absolutely terrible and still get his minutes and respect from Doc.
It's called "playing your best players through slumps". You should check it out, most of the NBA coaches do it.
problem is Doc often ignores what works during the game and goes back to his usual guys to finish the game no matter how bad they played.

Well Doc went back to Terry in the 4th and he drained two big 3's to help pull us to 5 or so back.  Jet has the ability to hit big shots.  We needed that tonight.

But he is just bad on D, especially at his age.  AB on Conley did pretty well versus when Jet was on him.  It was just bad.  I think we just need to pick and choose which matchups we can live with for his D.  Conley was a bad matchup tonight.

Title: Re: Starting to think terry should be the odd man out
Post by: mgent on January 02, 2013, 10:40:13 PM
Terry should not be allowed to look away from his man on defense.  Way too often he gets distracted and his man loses him on a cut to the basket.  He's not providing nearly enough in help defense (other than the occasional steal) to justify this, I'd rather see him focus harder on his own guy.
Title: Re: Starting to think terry should be the odd man out
Post by: SHAQATTACK on January 02, 2013, 10:47:13 PM
Maybe Danny will buy out D Will from the Nets. 
 Then trade you know who for a NICE BIG!!! :D    like cousins
Title: Re: Starting to think terry should be the odd man out
Post by: Jon Niednagel on January 02, 2013, 10:51:24 PM
I think JT has been the most disappointing FA so far. He hurts the team more than he helps it in my opinion. Talk about a soft player. He better start hitting some shots consistently  because he can't do anything else for this team.
Title: Re: Starting to think terry should be the odd man out
Post by: jambr380 on January 02, 2013, 10:58:22 PM
The title of this thread is basically true. It's not that Terry is horrible and isn't going to get better, but if he isn't scoring, then he isn't anything. He had a nice little stretch to end the game tonight, but that wasn't enough. From a sheer size/age/defensive standpoint, Lee really should be our focus moving forward, especially if we don't get in a position to make a somewhat serious run - which is looking pretty unlikely at this point.
Title: Re: Starting to think terry should be the odd man out
Post by: StartOrien on January 02, 2013, 11:07:50 PM
Terry has always been a one dimensional player... even in his prime.  His size prevents him from making much of an impact. Nice scorer off the bench.  Nothing more.   He's started for some teams by default, because they had no better option, but he's never been a great player.  Excellent option off the bench if you're lookin for some points, though.

Courtney Lee is our best all around shooting guard and even he is probably best off coming off the bench.  Not a building block or anything.

Have to completely disagree with you here, guy was a huge difference maker in the Mavericks run to championship.

I hope he can get some of his swagger back. He still impresses me with his ability to hit out of rhythm shots, but obviously this starts been discouraging.
Title: Re: Starting to think terry should be the odd man out
Post by: pearljammer10 on January 02, 2013, 11:54:37 PM
Terry has to be the leagues worst defensive guard. It's almost like replay 4 on 5 when he is out on the perimeter.
Title: Re: Starting to think terry should be the odd man out
Post by: pearljammer10 on January 03, 2013, 12:04:15 AM
Terry gets the same treatment from Doc as the big three.
meaning he could play absolutely terrible and still get his minutes and respect from Doc.
It's called "playing your best players through slumps". You should check it out, most of the NBA coaches do it.
problem is Doc often ignores what works during the game and goes back to his usual guys to finish the game no matter how bad they played.

Yeah this is huge. All of a sudden doc picks tonight to play KG a full quarter? Terry hit two big threes for us but Lee was playing very well. Doc goes against his rotations an keep the starters in for the entire 4th quarter until garbage time? Yes the bench players have let us down so far but tonight:

Green was 4/5 with 10 points in just 15 minutes.
Lee was 3/4 with 8 points attacking the rim and playing great defense in just 12 minutes.
And Bass was 3/5 with 9 points, although lacking in the rebounds department, in 23 minutes.
Title: Re: Starting to think terry should be the odd man out
Post by: LooseCannon on January 03, 2013, 12:14:08 AM
I strongly believe that, once he gets fully up to speed, Bradley should be the SG during the closing minutes of the 4th quarter in a close game.
Title: Re: Starting to think terry should be the odd man out
Post by: mctyson on January 03, 2013, 06:29:19 AM
Im just convinced that Terry is having the worst year of his career.

I never imagined he could be this bad. He literally hasn't given the Celtics anything

Agree, but I think he was a bad fit scheme wise.  Yeah he is a veteran and a champion and clutch and all that, but he is truly a terrible defensive player.
Title: Re: Starting to think terry should be the odd man out
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on January 03, 2013, 07:19:32 AM
Terry gets the same treatment from Doc as the big three.
meaning he could play absolutely terrible and still get his minutes and respect from Doc.
It's called "playing your best players through slumps". You should check it out, most of the NBA coaches do it.
problem is Doc often ignores what works during the game and goes back to his usual guys to finish the game no matter how bad they played.

Yeah this is huge. All of a sudden doc picks tonight to play KG a full quarter? Terry hit two big threes for us but Lee was playing very well. Doc goes against his rotations an keep the starters in for the entire 4th quarter until garbage time? Yes the bench players have let us down so far but tonight:

Green was 4/5 with 10 points in just 15 minutes.
Lee was 3/4 with 8 points attacking the rim and playing great defense in just 12 minutes.
And Bass was 3/5 with 9 points, although lacking in the rebounds department, in 23 minutes.

Yet another example for my theory that Doc has a fetish for underplaying players when they're playing well, and overplaying players when they're playing poorly.

It's ridiculous. If Green was 1 for 7, I bet you he would've played 29 minutes last night.
Title: Re: Starting to think terry should be the odd man out
Post by: Brendan on January 03, 2013, 08:02:31 AM
It's funny that many, including myself, felt Terry could step right in for Ray's bench roll.
Title: Re: Starting to think terry should be the odd man out
Post by: pearljammer10 on January 03, 2013, 08:25:57 AM
Terry gets the same treatment from Doc as the big three.
meaning he could play absolutely terrible and still get his minutes and respect from Doc.
It's called "playing your best players through slumps". You should check it out, most of the NBA coaches do it.
problem is Doc often ignores what works during the game and goes back to his usual guys to finish the game no matter how bad they played.

Yeah this is huge. All of a sudden doc picks tonight to play KG a full quarter? Terry hit two big threes for us but Lee was playing very well. Doc goes against his rotations an keep the starters in for the entire 4th quarter until garbage time? Yes the bench players have let us down so far but tonight:

Green was 4/5 with 10 points in just 15 minutes.
Lee was 3/4 with 8 points attacking the rim and playing great defense in just 12 minutes.
And Bass was 3/5 with 9 points, although lacking in the rebounds department, in 23 minutes.

Yet another example for my theory that Doc has a fetish for underplaying players when they're playing well, and overplaying players when they're playing poorly.

It's ridiculous. If Green was 1 for 7, I bet you he would've played 29 minutes last night.

Yeah I really cant figure it out either. Its like he wants to play a player out of a slump in those situations. But then when they play well, he doesnt reward them he just sits them.

I'll never forget the game I went to the Garden to see the celts against Orlando in the playoffs. Marbury scores 16 points in the first half, gives us a major boost. Then when we needed offense in the second half, Doc sits him the rest of the game.
Title: Re: Starting to think terry should be the odd man out
Post by: CelticG1 on January 03, 2013, 09:37:48 AM
Im just convinced that Terry is having the worst year of his career.

I never imagined he could be this bad. He literally hasn't given the Celtics anything

Agree, but I think he was a bad fit scheme wise.  Yeah he is a veteran and a champion and clutch and all that, but he is truly a terrible defensive player.

He and us are doing terrible. But before the year I thought he would be a better ball handler than Ray, can shoot off the dribble better than Ray, offer similar albeit worse 3this point spot up shooting, and equally porous defense.

I think everyone and their grandma knew he was a terrible defensive player when he got here. But everyone and their grandma thought he was a good offensive player as well. So far only one of those things is true.

All he has to be is good not great but definitely not terrible. With the way he is playing you wouldn't be able to get a second round pick for him. I can't imagine anyone wanting him even for free on another team. Maybe im exagerrating a little bit but it's kinda of sad that we would probably be getting more production out of Etuan Moore than him.
Title: Re: Starting to think terry should be the odd man out
Post by: CelticG1 on January 03, 2013, 09:44:31 AM
If you need offense put in Barbosa.

He can be a black hole at times but he's better defensively, plays with more energy, can get easier buckets, draws contact better.

Unless Terry plays high level offensively he brings pretty much nothing. Barely notice him on the court
Title: Re: Starting to think terry should be the odd man out
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on January 03, 2013, 09:45:14 AM
Terry is shooting about the same as some previous years in his career. This is nothing outside the norm. He had a bad shooting month in December, but he had a very good shooting month in November. There's nothing to suggest that Terry suddenly has lost his shooting touch. It is what it is. That said, Doc has been using him incorrectly, and putting him in positions where he's not likely to succeed. Plus, he and Rondo together don't mesh well.
Title: Re: Starting to think terry should be the odd man out
Post by: mgent on January 03, 2013, 09:49:26 AM
Terry has always been a one dimensional player... even in his prime.  His size prevents him from making much of an impact. Nice scorer off the bench.  Nothing more.   He's started for some teams by default, because they had no better option, but he's never been a great player.  Excellent option off the bench if you're lookin for some points, though.

Courtney Lee is our best all around shooting guard and even he is probably best off coming off the bench.  Not a building block or anything.

Have to completely disagree with you here, guy was a huge difference maker in the Mavericks run to championship.

I hope he can get some of his swagger back. He still impresses me with his ability to hit out of rhythm shots, but obviously this starts been discouraging.
Agree.  It's all about swagger/confidence.  For every shot Terry misses right now that means another one will go in when he's got it going (hopefully in the playoffs).

I love how shocked people are by Terry's play.  As if this isn't what he's always done.  HE'S A STREAKY PLAYER FOLKS.  Some games he won't miss, some games he won't hit at all.  Regardless, he's been shooting his career percentages since he got here.
Title: Re: Starting to think terry should be the odd man out
Post by: Who on January 03, 2013, 06:39:22 PM
It's funny that many, including myself, felt Terry could step right in for Ray's bench roll.
The talent is there. It's Doc's fault it hasn't happened.