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Around the League => Transaction Ideas and Rumors => Topic started by: rutzan on January 01, 2013, 01:31:16 PM
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Outgoing / Why / Where
Sactown:
Cousins
Obvious
Evans
Sactown is not going to pony up to re-sign him with Sactown losing $$$...DA has always liked him...you can always dream, right?
Salmons
He is the Kings oldest and highest paid player, ie, salary dump
He will back-up the Capt
Boston:
Bradley
Already considered one of the best ,if not the best, defenders in the NBA...Sactown is already stacked at SG
Sullinger
Could be a border-line All-Star...high character and glue guy...Sactown is already stacked at PF
Melo
Asset
Green
Sactown will get 7 years younger at SF at the same money as Salmons albeit for 2 more years
Bass
Young, borderline starter, locked in at decent money...plus...no issues...
Lee
Young, borderline starter, locked in at decent money...plus...no issues...
The "X" factor is the 3rd and possibly 4th team...
Any ideas?
What if Det traded eithor Monroe or Drummond to Sactown with Bradley and Evans going to Det? Does Dumars see himself in Bradley? Maybe Det throws in Knight or Stuckey? Bradley and Evans are both combo guards but so were DJ and Ainge...
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I like your analysis but I am not so sure that a third team is must. As you noted, I think the key for them is the Green for Salmons part of the trade. This should be viewed as an upgrade for them (although that is debatable depending on where you come down on Green right now) and it certainly gets them younger. If they are not sold on Green, I don't think we have much chance.
As far as their needs, Sac actually has a pretty balanced roster. They would probably want size back since they are giving up Cousins so that pulls you towards Melo and/or Sullinger.
If Evans could some how be included in the trade, they would suddenly not be so stacked at SG but they would still have Thornton and Garcia. I don't see much else on our roster that they would be interested in.
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I gave you a TP for an analysis of the Boston trade chips - but I would not be interested in Cousins.
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I like your analysis but I am not so sure that a third team is must. As you noted, I think the key for them is the Green for Salmons part of the trade. This should be viewed as an upgrade for them (although that is debatable depending on where you come down on Green right now) and it certainly gets them younger. If they are not sold on Green, I don't think we have much chance.
As far as their needs, Sac actually has a pretty balanced roster. They would probably want size back since they are giving up Cousins so that pulls you towards Melo and/or Sullinger.
If Evans could some how be included in the trade, they would suddenly not be so stacked at SG but they would still have Thornton and Garcia. I don't see much else on our roster that they would be interested in.
I feel that any talk of Jeff Green to Sacramento is unrealistic. The Maloofs are trying to sell that team, they're not going to want to take back any longterm financial contracts. When you factor in that the only consistent thing Jeff does is underperform, I just have a hard time seeing Sac have any interest in him.
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green works when you factor in evans...you have to look at combined contracts and the ever so brought up salary floor...green at $9M...salmons at $8M...evans at $6M...whether they re-sign him or S&T him...they still have to spend the $$$
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Isn't this the exact same trade you proposed in a different thread?
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no...this is a multi-team trade as the title suggests...also...this proposal has bradley possibly going to det with evans also possibly going to det...
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But it is still the exact same players involved for both the Celtics and Kings with you wanting the players from the Kings coming here.
So in essence, it is the same trade because the Celtics are still giving up the same players and receiving the same players.
This trade isn't going to work whether you include more teams or not. Your reasoning of Evans being given up for next to nothing is just not plausible.
I can see Evans and Cousins being moved, but only in two different trades going to different teams while scoring a load for each. They are too talented, too young and too valuable to be given away to the same team for the mediocre prospects and role players the Celtics have to offer.
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please read the original post again:
Evans
Sactown is not going to pony up to re-sign him with Sactown losing $$$...DA has always liked him...you can always dream, right?
What if Det traded eithor Monroe or Drummond to Sactown with Bradley and Evans going to Det? Does Dumars see himself in Bradley? Maybe Det throws in Knight or Stuckey? Bradley and Evans are both combo guards but so were DJ and Ainge...
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I read it. Its not happening.
Evans is only a restricted free agent next year. If he signs somewhere else, the Kings can match or work out a sign and trade because they are under the cap.
If he takes the qualifying offer, he is still Kings property for another year. They are not just going to lose Evans for nothing next year.
And reports are out that Detroit now has no interest in trading for Cousins or giving up Drummond or Monroe.
Your whole scenario is off based and never going to happen. You were told this repeatedly in the last thread.
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Cousins shoots 40.9%. There is no team in the NBA which has a starting Center shooting below 45% that has a winning record.
A dominant Center changes the game - for good or ill. If he sucks, then opposing defenses sag off coverage, and leave it to him to blow it. ...it's only two points. At ~40%, that's .8 points per attempt, The C's shoot 46.1% without Cousins. ...he would make us worse.
We do not want him on the team. I am ignoring the head-case issues.
What am I missing here?
Sorry, but
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I read it. Its not happening.
Evans is only a restricted free agent next year. If he signs somewhere else, the Kings can match or work out a sign and trade because they are under the cap.
If he takes the qualifying offer, he is still Kings property for another year. They are not just going to lose Evans for nothing next year.
And reports are out that Detroit now has no interest in trading for Cousins or giving up Drummond or Monroe.
Your whole scenario is off based and never going to happen. You were told this repeatedly in the last thread.
what does this exactle mean that i was told repeatedley?
am i being scolded or slapped on the wrist?
is it permissible to respectfully ask this question?
i am trying to figure out celtics blog etiquette...
thank you
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I read it. Its not happening.
Evans is only a restricted free agent next year. If he signs somewhere else, the Kings can match or work out a sign and trade because they are under the cap.
If he takes the qualifying offer, he is still Kings property for another year. They are not just going to lose Evans for nothing next year.
And reports are out that Detroit now has no interest in trading for Cousins or giving up Drummond or Monroe.
Your whole scenario is off based and never going to happen. You were told this repeatedly in the last thread.
what does this exactle mean that i was told repeatedley?
am i being scolded or slapped on the wrist?
is it permissable to respectfully ask this question?
It means, why start another thread to discuss the same exact extremely unlikely and implausible trade when multiple people have already poked so many holes in the trade to show how unlikely and implausible it was in another thread.
And I am not scolding you or slapping you on the wrist. I am just telling you what it is. How you take that is completely up to you.
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I read it. Its not happening.
Evans is only a restricted free agent next year. If he signs somewhere else, the Kings can match or work out a sign and trade because they are under the cap.
If he takes the qualifying offer, he is still Kings property for another year. They are not just going to lose Evans for nothing next year.
And reports are out that Detroit now has no interest in trading for Cousins or giving up Drummond or Monroe.
Your whole scenario is off based and never going to happen. You were told this repeatedly in the last thread.
what does this exactle mean that i was told repeatedley?
am i being scolded or slapped on the wrist?
is it permissable to respectfully ask this question?
It means, why start another thread to discuss the same exact extremely unlikely and implausible trade when multiple people have already poked so many holes in the trade to show how unlikely and implausible it was in another thread.
And I am not scolding you or slapping you on the wrist. I am just telling you what it is. How you take that is completely up to you.
no worries...it is not exactly the same and i thought it was plausible...you know the agree to disagree agreeably...i guess that is the great thing about America...freedom of speech...is that ok to say...thanks...
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I read it. Its not happening.
Evans is only a restricted free agent next year. If he signs somewhere else, the Kings can match or work out a sign and trade because they are under the cap.
If he takes the qualifying offer, he is still Kings property for another year. They are not just going to lose Evans for nothing next year.
And reports are out that Detroit now has no interest in trading for Cousins or giving up Drummond or Monroe.
Your whole scenario is off based and never going to happen. You were told this repeatedly in the last thread.
what does this exactle mean that i was told repeatedley?
am i being scolded or slapped on the wrist?
is it permissable to respectfully ask this question?
It means, why start another thread to discuss the same exact extremely unlikely and implausible trade when multiple people have already poked so many holes in the trade to show how unlikely and implausible it was in another thread.
And I am not scolding you or slapping you on the wrist. I am just telling you what it is. How you take that is completely up to you.
no worries...i thought it was plausible...i guess that is the great thing about America...freedom of speech...is that ok to say...thanks...
Also, in the rules there's something about not opening multiple threads on the same subject and not posting the same questions and proposals in different threads.
Not the most highly enforced rules but just to let you know, if you open more trade proposals regarding Cousins proposing the exact same trade, expect the threads to be merged. This happens all the time.
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I read it. Its not happening.
Evans is only a restricted free agent next year. If he signs somewhere else, the Kings can match or work out a sign and trade because they are under the cap.
If he takes the qualifying offer, he is still Kings property for another year. They are not just going to lose Evans for nothing next year.
And reports are out that Detroit now has no interest in trading for Cousins or giving up Drummond or Monroe.
Your whole scenario is off based and never going to happen. You were told this repeatedly in the last thread.
what does this exactle mean that i was told repeatedley?
am i being scolded or slapped on the wrist?
is it permissable to respectfully ask this question?
It means, why start another thread to discuss the same exact extremely unlikely and implausible trade when multiple people have already poked so many holes in the trade to show how unlikely and implausible it was in another thread.
And I am not scolding you or slapping you on the wrist. I am just telling you what it is. How you take that is completely up to you.
no worries...i thought it was plausible...i guess that is the great thing about America...freedom of speech...is that ok to say...thanks...
Also, in the rules there's something about not opening multiple threads on the same subject and not posting the same questions and proposals in different threads.
Not the most highly enforced rules but just to let you know, if you open more trade proposals regarding Cousins proposing the exact same trade, expect the threads to be merged. This happens all the time.
gotcha...thanks...
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As I posted in the other thread about this same proposal, this trade makes no sense from the Kings perspective. Sure it would be great if they gave us their 2 best players, who are very talented, very young, and on great contracts for our leftovers, but realistically there is no chance of it happening.
Cousins for Bradley, Sullinger, Melo, and picks however is likely to happen. We just are not getting Tyreke Evans for our garbage, it makes no sense.
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As I posted in the other thread about this same proposal, this trade makes no sense from the Kings perspective. Sure it would be great if they gave us their 2 best players, who are very talented, very young, and on great contracts for our leftovers, but realistically there is no chance of it happening.
Cousins for Bradley, Sullinger, Melo, and picks however is likely to happen. We just are not getting Tyreke Evans for our garbage, it makes no sense.
Cousins is garbage.
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Boston Out - Rondo, Collins, Joseph
Boston In - Cousins, Garcia, Isiah Thomas
Sacramento Out - Cousins, Garcia, Isiah Thomas, Hayes, Evans, Jimmer
Sacramento In - Rondo, Al Jefferson, Jason Collins, Demare Carroll, Kris Joseph
Utah Out - Jefferson, Carrol
Utah In - Evans, Jimmer, Hayes
Boston gets Cousins and Thomas!
Sacramento gets Rondo and Jefferson!
Utah gets Evans and Jimmer!
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Outgoing / Why / Where
Sactown:
Cousins
Obvious
Evans
Sactown is not going to pony up to re-sign him with Sactown losing $$$...DA has always liked him...you can always dream, right?
Salmons
He is the Kings oldest and highest paid player, ie, salary dump
He will back-up the Capt
Boston:
Bradley
Already considered one of the best ,if not the best, defenders in the NBA...Sactown is already stacked at SG
Sullinger
Could be a border-line All-Star...high character and glue guy...Sactown is already stacked at PF
Melo
Asset
Green
Sactown will get 7 years younger at SF at the same money as Salmons albeit for 2 more years
Bass
Young, borderline starter, locked in at decent money...plus...no issues...
Lee
Young, borderline starter, locked in at decent money...plus...no issues...
The "X" factor is the 3rd and possibly 4th team...
Any ideas?
What if Det traded eithor Monroe or Drummond to Sactown with Bradley and Evans going to Det? Does Dumars see himself in Bradley? Maybe Det throws in Knight or Stuckey? Bradley and Evans are both combo guards but so were DJ and Ainge...
Gotta give up Rondo to get Cousins.
Perhaps you'd be interested in someone like Sam Dalembert or Marcin GOrtat.
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As I posted in the other thread about this same proposal, this trade makes no sense from the Kings perspective. Sure it would be great if they gave us their 2 best players, who are very talented, very young, and on great contracts for our leftovers, but realistically there is no chance of it happening.
Cousins for Bradley, Sullinger, Melo, and picks however is likely to happen. We just are not getting Tyreke Evans for our garbage, it makes no sense.
Cousins for Bradley, Sullinger, Melo and picks is not likely to happen. Why would the Kings take scraps for their franchise big man?
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Boston Out - Rondo, Collins, Joseph
Boston In - Cousins, Garcia, Isiah Thomas
Sacramento Out - Cousins, Garcia, Isiah Thomas, Hayes, Evans, Jimmer
Sacramento In - Rondo, Al Jefferson, Jason Collins, Demare Carroll, Kris Joseph
Utah Out - Jefferson, Carrol
Utah In - Evans, Jimmer, Hayes
Boston gets Cousins and Thomas!
Sacramento gets Rondo and Jefferson!
Utah gets Evans and Jimmer!
Maybe switch out Thomas for Aaron Brooks. Rondo for COusins, Aaron Brooks and contract filler might be acceptable to the Kings.
Here's a realistic pipe dream: http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=aead2p9 ... We'd probably need to include 1st rounders and either Melo/Sully for the Kings to bite.
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Ok.. I tell you: i don't believe, but i decided to post here anyway. According some spanish posters through twitterr, celtics-kings and lakers are working on this deal
Gasol Bradley Sully Terry 2 picks a #Kings Thorton T-Rob Hayes Brooks a #Lakers Cousins García a #Celtics +Rumores #NBA
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Ok.. I tell you: i don't believe, but i decided to post here anyway. According some spanish posters through twitterr, celtics-kings and lakers are working on this deal
Gasol Bradley Sully Terry 2 picks a #Kings Thorton T-Rob Hayes Brooks a #Lakers Cousins García a #Celtics +Rumores #NBA
that would be quite a haul for the Kings, not so good for us as we lose our prospects and keep Bass, Lee and Green, but much more realistic for what it would cost us to get Cousins. Garcia would be nice on our team.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/OpinasobreNBA/status/287929600825245696/photo/1
I repeat: I dont know the account and i dont believe. It's just for talkin'
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https://mobile.twitter.com/OpinasobreNBA/status/287929600825245696/photo/1
I repeat: I dont know the account and i dont believe. It's just for talkin'
Lakers are getting way too much just for giving up Pau. Brooks, Hayes, Thorton AND Robinson. That's crazy.. not to mention I hate giving up Bradley, Sully, AND Jet. just not a fan of this move.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/OpinasobreNBA/status/287929600825245696/photo/1
I repeat: I dont know the account and i dont believe. It's just for talkin'
Lakers are getting way too much just for giving up Pau. Brooks, Hayes, Thorton AND Robinson. That's crazy.. not to mention I hate giving up Bradley, Sully, AND Jet. just not a fan of this move.
They are getting redundant pieces in return for a starting PF. I can't see how this is getting too much in return.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/OpinasobreNBA/status/287929600825245696/photo/1
I repeat: I dont know the account and i dont believe. It's just for talkin'
Lakers are getting way too much just for giving up Pau. Brooks, Hayes, Thorton AND Robinson. That's crazy.. not to mention I hate giving up Bradley, Sully, AND Jet. just not a fan of this move.
They are getting redundant pieces in return for a starting PF. I can't see how this is getting too much in return.
Brooks is a starting caliber pg, Thorton is a starting caliber shooting guard, Hayes is a pretty decent bench big man, and Robinson was just the 5th overall pick in this years draft. That's a lot to be getting in return for your 32 year old, over the hill power forward who's stock is already low because he's not going to get much run under D'antoni in LA.
But in all honesty, I just don't want LA to be deep..
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https://mobile.twitter.com/OpinasobreNBA/status/287929600825245696/photo/1
I repeat: I dont know the account and i dont believe. It's just for talkin'
Lakers are getting way too much just for giving up Pau. Brooks, Hayes, Thorton AND Robinson. That's crazy.. not to mention I hate giving up Bradley, Sully, AND Jet. just not a fan of this move.
They are getting redundant pieces in return for a starting PF. I can't see how this is getting too much in return.
Brooks is a starting caliber pg, Thorton is a starting caliber shooting guard, Hayes is a pretty decent bench big man, and Robinson was just the 5th overall pick in this years draft. That's a lot to be getting in return for your 32 year old, over the hill power forward who's stock is already low because he's not going to get much run under D'antoni in LA.
But in all honesty, I just don't want LA to be deep..
I don't rank Brooks any higher than someone like Ramon Sessions. a streaky scorer at best. Moreover, Lakers already have Nash, and anyone not named Nash won't be getting a ton of minutes. They have Steve Blake for that job.
Hayes is decent, but I'm not into the idea of starting a 6-foot-6 guy in place of Pau Gasol, nor Thomas Robinson has shown anything significant to be relevant to a title run playing big minutes.
Not to mention all Thornton does is shooting, and he will be backing up a player logging almost 39 mpg as of now.
I can see none of these guys helping the Lakers to win a title this season.
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Demarcus Cousins in the last 3 games:
Tonight vs Washington: 12 pts, 4 Rebounds, .625 FG%, 0.50 FT%, 1 assist, 1 block, 2 steal, 3 Turovers
vs Denver: 3 pts, 2 rebounds, 0.167 FG%, 0.500 FT%, 4 assists, 4 steals, 2 turovers
vs OKC: 14 points, 8 rebounds, 0.375 FG%, 0.667 FT%, 3 steals, 7 turnovers
vs PHX: 15 points, 15 rebounds, 0.389 FG%, 0.00 FT%, 6 turnovers
not really superstar numbers there. I'm most shocked by his field goal percentage
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Did anyone watch their game tonight? I read that he didn't play in the fourth.
After his team won this was his tweet "Pray for me"