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Title: Let's get BIG with Phoenix
Post by: chambers on December 31, 2012, 05:31:41 PM
Two scenarios here:
1)
Phoenix IN: Courtney Lee, Brandon Bass, Fab Melo,Jason Collins, 2013 1st round pick, 2015 first round pick
Phoenix OUT: Marcin Gortat, Beasley, Jermaine Oneal

Boston IN: Marcin Gortat, Michael Beasely, Jermaine Oneal
Boston OUT: Courtney Lee, Brandon Bass, Fab Melo,Jason Collins 2013 1st round pick + 2015 1st round pick



2)
Phoenix IN: Jeff Green, Courtney Lee, Brandon Bass, Fab Melo,Jason Collins, 2013 1st round pick,2014 first round pick
Phoenix OUT: Marcin Gortat, Beasley, Jermaine Oneal, Wes Johnson

Boston IN: Marcin Gortat, Michael Beasely, Jermaine Oneal, Wes Johnson
Boston OUT: Jeff Green, Courtney Lee, Brandon Bass, Fab Melo,Jason Collins 2013 1st round pick+2014 1st round pick


Money is almost right, maybe a few fillers needed...we choose from Johnson or Beasley to give us Green's production and we keep Sully and Bradley while getting huge.

Does Phoenix pick up the phone to either? This makes them very thin at center, and probably in need of a lottery visit..But that's the point, they get Lee and Bass on friendly deals which they can use as part of a rebuild and they dump Beasley's deal.

We get HUGE, there are mixed feelings about Jermaine, but he's not the starting C in this scenario, he can come in and do what he was supposed to do, give us rim protection and tough defense when KG is off and relieve Gortat....JO is playing like his late Pacer days with his knees fixed- it's amazing. PER of 18.3 haha.
Gortat and JO at center, with KG and Sully at PF.

So we keep Bradley and Sully, whilst gambling that between Johnson and Beasley we can replace Green's bench work.
Lose Bass, but get JO and Gortat inside.

line up:

PG Rondo/Barbosa
SG Bradley/Terry/Johnson
SF Pierce/Johnson/Beasley
PF KG/Sullinger/Wilcox
C  Gortat/Oneal/Wilcox/KG
Title: Re: Let
Post by: ScottHow on December 31, 2012, 05:35:54 PM
Two firsts?

For me I say no thanks. I'm not willing to give up future assets to help this sinking ship.

Note:(I think this team is done and it's time to blow it up. I also can see why a person who still has faith would want to do this.)
Title: Re: Let
Post by: clover on December 31, 2012, 05:38:36 PM
What, is Beasley on the timeshare plan, so no team has to deal with him more than 50% of the time?

I don't give away what could be the C's two best picks of the decade for another desperate boost out of mediocrity this year--and I don't think Danny does either.
Title: Re: Let
Post by: Roy H. on December 31, 2012, 05:43:12 PM
You can't trade firsts in consecutive future years.  The second pick would have to be in 2015.
Title: Re: Let
Post by: chambers on December 31, 2012, 05:46:10 PM
Two firsts?

For me I say no thanks. I'm not willing to give up future assets to help this sinking ship.

Note:(I think this team is done and it's time to blow it up. I also can see why a person who still has faith would want to do this.)
What, is Beasley on the timeshare plan, so no team has to deal with him more than 50% of the time?

I don't give away what could be the C's two best picks of the decade for another desperate boost out of mediocrity this year--and I don't think Danny does either.

Well we probably have to give up at least one pick to get Gortat.
Jermaine and Johnson are both one year deals. We are taking Beasley off their hands but keeping Sully and Bradley.
It's nice to think of what those two picks could become but I'm trying to think of ways to get a legitimate center to put next to KG and protect the rim when he's out- Gortat and Jermaine are both good at this.
We lose Green and the two picks but get Johnson and Beasley. I know Beasley is a moron but perhaps we can help him slightly? I guess even veterans can't fix stoopid but to get us Gortat, Johnson and JO we aren't giving up that much are we?
We also shed Bass and Lee's deals (and many may say thankfully Green's deal too)
I'm not even sure how green my glasses are in this, I'm wondering if Phoenix laughs but Jeff Green +that second pick might be the sweetener here.
Depends if they want our solid, cheap contracts during a rebuild. They're tightasses and they do like Courtney Lee and Green.
Title: Re: Let
Post by: chambers on December 31, 2012, 05:46:52 PM
You can't trade firsts in consecutive future years.  The second pick would have to be in 2015.

Didn't know this...2015 it will have to be ..
thanks
Title: Re: Let's get BIG with Phoenix
Post by: CelticHooligan3 on December 31, 2012, 05:47:10 PM
You lost me at bringing Michael Beasley on board. And im a Cousins guy..
Title: Re: Let's get BIG with Phoenix
Post by: chambers on December 31, 2012, 05:53:22 PM
You lost me at bringing Michael Beasley on board. And im a Cousins guy..
With Wes Johnson we may not need him, and I doubt Beasley's presence in that locker room would have much influence when you think who's in there with him. It's the gamble you have to take.
Put it this way, we get Gortat (great) we lose Lee, Bass and Green's long term deals (great) and take on Beasley's.(not so great)
Helps us rebuild quicker and gives Beasley a real veteran locker room. We could make him a decent sixth man.

Take Beasley out of it and think of Gortat, Johnson and JO as part of the major rotation in the playoffs.

Don't forget we are keeping Sully and Bradley too.

PG Rondo/Barbosa
SG Bradley/Terry/Johnson
SF Pierce/Johnson/Beasley
PF KG/Sullinger/Wilcox
C  Gortat/Oneal/Wilcox/KG
Title: Re: Let's get BIG with Phoenix
Post by: lightspeed5 on December 31, 2012, 05:53:30 PM
beasley JO and gortat? hahah
Title: Re: Let's get BIG with Phoenix
Post by: Roy H. on December 31, 2012, 07:29:16 PM
Wes Johnson can't play.
Title: Re: Let's get BIG with Phoenix
Post by: csfansince60s on December 31, 2012, 08:06:25 PM
Would love Gortat. He is the cheapest real quality big out there. However,....

Sarver is one cheap owner and likes picks (which he sometimes sells, see Rajon Rondo) rookie contracts and expirings. He will not want to be saddled with three longterm contracts in Green, Lee and/or Bass, if any of them.

Personally, knowing what we do of Sarver, to get both Beasley and Gortat (and I think that we would have to swallow Beasley to get Gortat, and I would be fine with this)we have to get a 3rd team involved to get Phoenix some expirings to go with one or two of our younguns as well as a pick or two (maybe one first and a second).
Title: Re: Let's get BIG with Phoenix
Post by: mqtcelticsfan on December 31, 2012, 09:40:30 PM
Even if they gave us Gortat for pennies, I'd probably still be annoyed at trading for JO.
Title: Re: Let's get BIG with Phoenix
Post by: lightspeed5 on December 31, 2012, 09:44:00 PM
enough with the gortat trades. He's a joke
Title: Re: Let's get BIG with Phoenix
Post by: csfansince60s on December 31, 2012, 10:05:33 PM
enough with the gortat trades. He's a joke

A young (28), cheap (7 mil per), athletic, playoff experienced center who can run the floor, block shots (2 per game), rebound and finish is not a joke.

Collins, Hollins, JO, etc.....they are jokes....not Gortat.
Title: Re: Let's get BIG with Phoenix
Post by: celticslove on December 31, 2012, 10:22:39 PM
enough with the gortat trades. He's a joke
jeff green 9mil is a joke.  at least Gortat can play.
Title: Re: Let's get BIG with Phoenix
Post by: nostar on December 31, 2012, 10:31:09 PM
Wes Johnson can't play.

Haha yeah that is true. He's a total bust. When you think that Cousins and Monroe were picked in the 3 picks following him it kind of stings.

I'd make the first trade I think, Maybe try to move a 1st and a 2nd instead of two 1sts. I don't want Johnson and certainly not for Green. I think Green has loads more potential.

If we can get Gortat while shedding Bass and Lee I'd part with two firsts. Probably not two firsts and Fab Melo. That is just me though.
Title: Re: Let's get BIG with Phoenix
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on December 31, 2012, 10:57:29 PM
I think we'd need to take on Beasley to get Gortat. If we do though, I think the Marcin asking price would not be that much.

If we go Green + Bass and/or Melo we'd probably have Beasley and Gortat. I know Beasley is a tough case, but at worse he can score off the bench. I think he will be kept in check here. And Gortat will boost interior defense for us.

enough with the gortat trades. He's a joke

11 points, 8 rebounds, 1.9 (close to 2) blocks, 53% shooting per game. Good defender inside and on the pick and rolls. Only making close to 7 million a year while still relatively young and has the size that we need.

I know he's no all-star player, but if you're saying that that kind of production is a joke, I'm sorry but I don't find it funny.
Title: Re: Let's get BIG with Phoenix
Post by: Bombastic Jones on January 02, 2013, 01:50:52 AM
From Bright Side of the Sun trade talk re: Gortat and Boston:

http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2012/12/31/3821222/trade-idea-should-the-phoenix-suns-trade-marcin-gortat-to-boston

The original thought was Terry and Melo; most responses said something like Lee, Melo or Sully, and our 2014.  If we could grab Gortat for something between those two proposals I would be doing backflips.
Title: Re: Let's get BIG with Phoenix
Post by: chambers on January 02, 2013, 03:52:11 AM
From Bright Side of the Sun trade talk re: Gortat and Boston:

http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2012/12/31/3821222/trade-idea-should-the-phoenix-suns-trade-marcin-gortat-to-boston

The original thought was Terry and Melo; most responses said something like Lee, Melo or Sully, and our 2014.  If we could grab Gortat for something between those two proposals I would be doing backflips.

God giving up Lee, Sully and a pick would be perfect. I'd hate to lose Sully but I'd rather give him up at this point if we net Gortat in return.
Even Lee, Bass and a first rounder for Gortat and some of their overpaid scraps.
Thanks for the link TP
Title: Re: Let's get BIG with Phoenix
Post by: nostar on January 02, 2013, 04:21:03 AM
I'd like to give up none of our youth and only pick(s) for Gortat. I don't think that is unreasonable and I'd be willing to take back one of their bad contracts to do so.

Something like:

Gortat and Beasley
for
Lee, Bass and either [Melo or our 2013 1st rounder]

If they want the 2014 1st they'll have to replace Beasley with Johnson. If they aren't willing to do that I'd probably walk away. Gortat doesn't wow me anyway.
Title: Re: Let's get BIG with Phoenix
Post by: Smutzy#9 on January 02, 2013, 04:30:38 AM
From Bright Side of the Sun trade talk re: Gortat and Boston:

http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2012/12/31/3821222/trade-idea-should-the-phoenix-suns-trade-marcin-gortat-to-boston

The original thought was Terry and Melo; most responses said something like Lee, Melo or Sully, and our 2014.  If we could grab Gortat for something between those two proposals I would be doing backflips.

I honestly dont believe Gortat is the the complete answer but if we only give up Melo and terry......... thats extremerly enticing. I dont see them taking bass as they have scola and morris and beasley that can play the position that being said though they also have dudley and brown struggling to figure out who is the starting 2 as well. Melo terry and a future first rounder is very enticing though

"Frankly, Gortat is not as good of an asset when you consider he needs a new contract really soon."

Also there is this. Gortat would be asking for 10+ mil on his new contract and he would be 31 when that comes round. Sorry but in 2 years time its probably getting to go after a younger more star Centre consider we will have the cap space once Peirce and KG retire (I will cry this day)

Someone like Monroe swings to mind with this idea. I love monroe as a player and would love to get him in green>

A future line up of Rondo Bradley Green Sully Monroe doesnt look that bad on paper. That being said we would probably have to look for a go to scorer who can rip a teams heart out in clutch time.
Title: Re: Let's get BIG with Phoenix
Post by: alajet on January 02, 2013, 07:59:22 AM
Someone like Monroe swings to mind with this idea. I love monroe as a player and would love to get him in green>

A future line up of Rondo Bradley Green Sully Monroe doesnt look that bad on paper. That being said we would probably have to look for a go to scorer who can rip a teams heart out in clutch time.

Not that I don't like your idea, but we don't have any pieces to get Monroe here. He's playing only around 32 mpg, which isn't that much if you consider his young age, as well, and still he puts up very solid numbers.
Not quite there yet, but I believe he has All-Star potential if he keeps improving.
Title: Re: Let's get BIG with Phoenix
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on January 02, 2013, 08:34:38 AM
From Bright Side of the Sun trade talk re: Gortat and Boston:

http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2012/12/31/3821222/trade-idea-should-the-phoenix-suns-trade-marcin-gortat-to-boston

The original thought was Terry and Melo; most responses said something like Lee, Melo or Sully, and our 2014.  If we could grab Gortat for something between those two proposals I would be doing backflips.

Id do it even if it means giving Sully, who I think is a great prospect. Gortat will helpb us big time. We need to win now, as much as Sully is a good piece going forward, id give him up if it means we get back on top again.
Title: Re: Let's get BIG with Phoenix
Post by: Eddie20 on January 02, 2013, 10:02:45 AM
I would trade the following for Gortat

Melo...Suns don't really have a need for Sullinger with the veteran Scola and the young Morris backing him up. Melo would also be able to get major minutes on the Suns, backing up JO, as he is definitely better than Zeller

Lee or Terry...This is tough. Lee has been playing much better of late and I love his size (6-5), youth (27), and athleticism compared to Terry's. However, Terry is a clutch shooter and a proven playoff performer. Plus, he is said to be very good in the locker room. Still, the lack of size of a 3 guard rotation of Rondo, Bradley, and Terry do concern me. If matched up with Miami, who covers Wade when Bradley sits? So I would prefer to part with Terry.

1st rd draft pick...I do not want to part with the 2014 1st rd pick. That class is loaded, while the 2013 one is subpar. I would prefer to give up the 2013 pick, plus a future heavily protected 1st rd pick (say top 25 protected ) instead.

So in a nutshell it would be Melo, Terry, 2013 1st rd pick (non-protected), and 2015-19 1st rd pick (top 25 protected) for Gortat.

We would then be left with one roster spot in which I would use to sign Delonte West to make up for the loss of Terry, as I like West more than Barbosa.

Starters-

KG
Pierce
Gortat
Rondo
Bradley

2nd Unit-

Bass
Green
Sullinger
West
Lee

Deep Bench-

Wilcox
Barbosa
Collins

Maine-

Joseph

Sent packing when a target/good piece becomes bough out-

Varnado

Title: Re: Let's get BIG with Phoenix
Post by: Birdman on January 02, 2013, 10:14:05 AM
I think Gortat will be traded before trade deadline..if we cant get Cousins then hoping we get Gortat
Title: Re: Let's get BIG with Phoenix
Post by: jambr380 on January 02, 2013, 11:48:56 AM
From Bright Side of the Sun trade talk re: Gortat and Boston:

http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2012/12/31/3821222/trade-idea-should-the-phoenix-suns-trade-marcin-gortat-to-boston

The original thought was Terry and Melo; most responses said something like Lee, Melo or Sully, and our 2014.  If we could grab Gortat for something between those two proposals I would be doing backflips.

Thanks for posting this - TP. It's always nice to see what the other side thinks, but they are crazy if they think we need to give up Bradley, Sullinger, and a 1st round pick. Though, I do agree that Lee would need to be involved over Terry - for both teams. I also wouldn't mind taking on Beasley.

My favorite quote in the comments section - "Rondo is a competent but not great playmaker." - REALLY??
Title: Re: Let's get BIG with Phoenix
Post by: KGs Knee on January 02, 2013, 12:24:36 PM
From Bright Side of the Sun trade talk re: Gortat and Boston:

http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2012/12/31/3821222/trade-idea-should-the-phoenix-suns-trade-marcin-gortat-to-boston

The original thought was Terry and Melo; most responses said something like Lee, Melo or Sully, and our 2014.  If we could grab Gortat for something between those two proposals I would be doing backflips.

Thanks for posting this - TP. It's always nice to see what the other side thinks, but they are crazy if they think we need to give up Bradley, Sullinger, and a 1st round pick. Though, I do agree that Lee would need to be involved over Terry - for both teams. I also wouldn't mind taking on Beasley.

My favorite quote in the comments section - "Rondo is a competent but not great playmaker." - REALLY??

Yeah, haha!

Who do they think they will get for Gortat.  If his contract had a few more years on it, I might be inclined to give up more, but he'll likely just end up being a 2 year rental for us.

Lee, Sully, Melo and 2013 1st Rd pick is the best I would offer.  Bradley is absolutely off-limits in any deal for Gortat.  Also, no way would I give them a 1st Rd pick from any future years.  Gortat is not worth a lottery pick, no team will give up that for him.
Title: Re: Let's get BIG with Phoenix
Post by: eugen on January 02, 2013, 06:17:57 PM
Gotart for Green and Wilcox
Title: Re: Let's get BIG with Phoenix
Post by: ImShakHeIsShaq on January 02, 2013, 06:33:44 PM
I wouldn't give up Terry in a Gortat deal... Terry is the one guy on our bench who has the stones and experience in winning a championship... he LIT Miami up during that championship season when it MATTERED MOST! Guy was cold blooded, we are going to need that (no matter how he struggles at times during the regular season)! I would rather give up Green b/c while he is one of the most important bench players (especially against the LeBroids, Melo, Durants of the world)... I don't trust him to step up during the big moments, he isn't even doing it in the regular season!

I would do something like Lee/FAB and a pick or so. I don't want to give up FAB, I am a huge fan... but if you are looking to win this year and even next, you have to do it b/c Fab isn't helping anytime soon (he could help now but not championship level)! I'll even do a Lee/Bass. Then I would seriously consider a Lee/Sully deal (yes, I would give up Sully b4 Jet)!

Now, with all that said... to me, it's a NON-STARTER if they mention AB for Gortat... it's a NO and I hangup the phone!!

Garnett is my favorite but AB is riding pretty close to Genie!!

Wait, let me be clear, if the organization thinks it's better for the team then I'm willing (through tears) to say goodbye to ANY player... I'm not a player fan anymore, it's Celtics all day for me, since Shaq retired. I just hope they keep my favs until the wheels fall off! LOL
Title: Re: Let's get BIG with Phoenix
Post by: StartOrien on January 02, 2013, 06:40:15 PM
If I recall correctly, there was a good deal of rumblings that Jermaine O'Neal wasn't very liked by his teammates.
Title: Re: Let's get BIG with Phoenix
Post by: bfrombleacher on January 02, 2013, 06:45:03 PM
If I recall correctly, there was a good deal of rumblings that Jermaine O'Neal wasn't very liked by his teammates.

Are you suggesting we trade for him?

J-O'neal again?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWaLxFIVX1s
Title: Re: Let's get BIG with Phoenix
Post by: csfansince60s on January 02, 2013, 07:16:41 PM
If I recall correctly, there was a good deal of rumblings that Jermaine O'Neal wasn't very liked by his teammates.

Are you talking about in Phoenix or Boston? ;)