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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: tenn_smoothie on December 31, 2012, 01:06:04 AM
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Please all Celtic Fans. Get a hold of yourselves. mix a crown & 7up and make it a double !!! I've seen panic before (by me and other Celtic lovers) but this takes the prize.
Cousins is very talented - no question. plus, he's a center, which we are in desperate need of. HOWEVER, he is a complete head-case and will be a destructive cancer wherever he plays. he is self-centered, extremely immature and has a temper fuse that makes Rasheed Wallace look like Ghandi. he is constantly at odds with his coach and the longer things go smoothly for him, it's as if he can't handle the pressure and feels compelled to blow it up.
most of all, Demarcus Cousins is not a Celtic !!!!
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Whose we? I'd die for a center on this team with half the talent DMC offers. He's a headcase but you have to look at it from both sides- the Kings are a poorly run and coached organization and bad environment for his development. He could thrive here...
Anyway if you can trade for DMC without giving up Rondo you do it. You dont get anywhere without taking a risk. I want him on this team
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We Want Demarcus Cousins.
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You need to edit the title. I believe the correct title is "I Do Not Want Demarcus Cousins". Stop putting words in my and other posters' mouths.
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Plus this is the same Edited. Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. that people like you said about Andray Blatche...where is he now -- oh he's in Brooklyn being all productive. Where is the comparably earning Jason Collins -- oh he's making a case that even the scrubbiest scrubs can don a NBA jersey. Not sure what's the difference between Collins and a tall and fat man in the stands with a Celtics jersey on.
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i actually like the fact that he's a headcase. It means he's tough as nails.
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i actually like the fact that he's a headcase. It means he's tough as nails.
Exactly, we're not going to stop being soft in the middle by trading for a gentleman center to play alongside nice guys like Jeff Green and Brandon Bass.
KG and DMC ... now that sounds like a [dang] monster movie! ;D
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i actually like the fact that he's a headcase. It means he's tough as nails.
Exactly, we're not going to stop being soft in the middle by trading for a gentleman center to play alongside nice guys like Jeff Green and Brandon Bass.
KG and DMC ... now that sounds like a [dang] monster movie! ;D
Haha those two would have to be the sweetest-named frontcourt duo in the league. ;D
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fun thread. Let's post more threads about all the players we can't trade for and pretend we don't want them. It's like pretending you aren't interested in the girl you could never get with. Like being the pimple-faced captain of the chess club and telling your nerdy friends you wouldn't hook up with the head Cheerleader/prom queen, because she's too ugly for you. Your nerdy pimple faced friends are gonna be like, "Yeah! Me neither!! She's way too ugly!"
FYI.... We Do Not Want LeBron James or Kevin Durant. This is fun.
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1. Is he already a good center? check.
2. Does he have the potential to be the best center? check.
3. Does he care about winning and will become frustrated if he doesn't? check.
That's all I need to know.
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1. Is he already a good center? check.
2. Does he have the potential to be the best center? check.
3. Does he care about winning and will become frustrated if he doesn't? check.
That's all I need to know.
Agreed.
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fun thread. Let's post more threads about all the players we can't trade for and pretend we don't want them. It's like pretending you aren't interested in the girl you could never get with. Like being the pimple-faced captain of the chess club and telling your nerdy friends you wouldn't hook up with the head Cheerleader/prom queen, because she's too ugly for you. Your nerdy pimple faced friends are gonna be like, "Yeah! Me neither!! She's way too ugly!"
FYI.... We Do Not Want LeBron James or Kevin Durant. This is fun.
Danny was successful in trading for KG in mid-2007, so I think it's reasonably possible that he could successfully trade for DMC in the present circumstances, especially given that there appears to be some chaos in the Kings front office at the moment.
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Plus this is the same **** that people like you said about Andray Blatche...where is he now -- oh he's in Brooklyn being all productive. Where is the comparably earning Jason Collins -- oh he's making a case that even the scrubbiest scrubs can don a NBA jersey. Not sure what's the difference between Collins and a tall and fat man in the stands with a Celtics jersey on.
Exactly.
I absolutely remember all the Andray Blatche negativity on here SMH.
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RE: We Do Not Need Another DeMarcus Cousins Thread.
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Whose our starting center at the moment?
Oh right Jason Collins.
Would you prefer DMC or Jason Collins.
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1. Is he already a good center? check.
2. Does he have the potential to be the best center? check.
3. Does he care about winning and will become frustrated if he doesn't? check.
That's all I need to know.
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I want him here. So I guess I'm not part of "we" huh?
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I hardly ever find myself feeling this way about NBA players (or people in general), but to me Demarcus Cousins seems like a really hard guy to root for.
Who knows? Maybe that would change if he were a Celtic?
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I hardly ever find myself feeling this way about NBA players (or people in general), but to me Demarcus Cousins seems like a really hard guy to root for.
Who knows? Maybe that would change if he were a Celtic?
No harder for me to pull for than, Sheed ? , Kobe ( diva ) , Wade (thug) , Howard ( jerk /whinner) , on and on down the line... like most celeb's he has issues , but at least he's agreesive on the court and is young. I'll take Cousin over alot of these guys.
OP...BTW ..WE DO need Cousins to rebuild this crumbling structure. KG and PP are only getting worse and older everyday. We need guy who will be getting better , NOT WORSE !! ::)
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I hardly ever find myself feeling this way about NBA players (or people in general), but to me Demarcus Cousins seems like a really hard guy to root for.
Who knows? Maybe that would change if he were a Celtic?
No harder for me to pull for than, Sheed ? , Kobe ( diva ) , Wade (thug) , Howard ( jerk /whinner) , on and on down the line... like most celeb's he has issues , but at least he's agreesive on the court and is young. I'll take Cousin over alot of these guys.
OP...BTW ..WE DO need Cousins to rebuild this crumbling structure. KG and PP are only getting worse and older everyday. We need guy who will be getting better , NOT WORSE !! ::)
I never felt that way about 'Sheed, even before he was a Celtic. The members of that Pistons squad--Chauncey, Big Ben, Rip, 'Sheed, Prince--will always have a certain hero status to me for the way they came together to take out that stacked Lakers team.
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1. Is he already a good center? check.
2. Does he have the potential to be the best center? check.
3. Does he care about winning and will become frustrated if he doesn't? check.
That's all I need to know.
I'm not sure he cares about winning. I think he just hates Sacramento. And that frustration? That's just the way he is, a big baby. A talented big baby, but nonetheless, a baby.
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It's funny how many people write Cousins off as some kind of "insane" and violence-inclined individual. He's had fights with his coach.....not an exclusive happening, not even within the Boston lineup (See: Rajon Rondo).
I think Cousins has the exact same problem as Rondo. They are sore losers in a competitive kind of way, and need to be a part of winning cultures, because they are used to it. Cousins comes from a National Title, and being one of, if not, the best player on several teams, that had major success.
He's probably experiencing more of a culture-shock than anything. He chose Kentucky. He didn't chose Sacramento (which is also kind of a crap, boring area for a young, rich NBA star, IMO). He seems like a lifestyle kind of guy, maybe a little superficial......along with 90% of NBA players. Is he handling it in an immature way? Yes, very much. But does this make him an "unpredictable, cancerous" serial killer type??? Give me a break guys.
We should only be HOPING that an offer such as Sullinger, AB, Melo, and picks is enough to bring this kid in to Boston, to address OUR BIGGEST PROBLEM...... not having a quality starting center, and KG playing more Center minutes than ever. We lack the size to compete.....one defensive minded 2-guard is not going to change the complexion of this teams chemistry, sorry to say. A starting Center who is already a double-double machine, whose abilities only improve, will have a far more drastic positive impact.
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He is a legit C with star level skills.
He has never been on an NBA team with leadership or a PG that will get him easy shots.
Strong leadership that forces him back inside on offense and an offense that gives him those touches down low in good positions, he can make a huge turnaround.
And I am still happy the Celtics did not waste their time with Blatche. I can't help but notice the more he plays and the better his stats get with the Nets, the more and more they lose and look like Blatche's Wizards.
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i actually like the fact that he's a headcase. It means he's tough as nails.
Tough as nails? Definitely not.
I would take a risk on the guy, but he seems a bit weak minded to me. There is a difference between guys who are determined and guys who lose composure because they are erratic. Cousins has mostly shown immaturity, not drive.
Noah was an example of a guy who got into trouble early in his career because he was a determined winner on a losing team. There is a big difference. He went off on teammates who didn't take the game seriously. He didn't get in trouble for just being generally difficult to coach.
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I was impressed with how hard he ran the floor for a pro Center, last night. And that steal on the transition D was impressive to say the least.
I've seen "headcases" cry under the strain of combat. That doesn't always mean tough, it means unpredictable.
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DMC reminds me of a less competitive Antoine Walker. Jump shooting big, not a rim-protecting C. He would help but he's not in the same league as the top bigs in this league at this point
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It's funny how many people write Cousins off as some kind of "insane" and violence-inclined individual. He's had fights with his coach.....not an exclusive happening, not even within the Boston lineup (See: Rajon Rondo).
I think Cousins has the exact same problem as Rondo. They are sore losers in a competitive kind of way, and need to be a part of winning cultures, because they are used to it. Cousins comes from a National Title, and being one of, if not, the best player on several teams, that had major success.
He's probably experiencing more of a culture-shock than anything. He chose Kentucky. He didn't chose Sacramento (which is also kind of a crap, boring area for a young, rich NBA star, IMO). He seems like a lifestyle kind of guy, maybe a little superficial......along with 90% of NBA players. Is he handling it in an immature way? Yes, very much. But does this make him an "unpredictable, cancerous" serial killer type??? Give me a break guys.
We should only be HOPING that an offer such as Sullinger, AB, Melo, and picks is enough to bring this kid in to Boston, to address OUR BIGGEST PROBLEM...... not having a quality starting center, and KG playing more Center minutes than ever. We lack the size to compete.....one defensive minded 2-guard is not going to change the complexion of this teams chemistry, sorry to say. A starting Center who is already a double-double machine, whose abilities only improve, will have a far more drastic positive impact.
100 percent co-sign.
And if they'd like Jeff Green, we'll worth with that too.
The OP most assuredly does not speak for me.
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he team was surprised when Cousins showed up for practice on Christmas Eve, thinking the suspension was indefinite. Upon his arrival, "the Christmas spirit was gone," said the league source who is familiar with the Kings. And there was not much sympathy for him afterward when Cousins tried to apologize.
"When he apologized to the team, two players stood up and said 'we've heard this bull(bleep) before,'" the source said. "'You're either going to be with us, or you're not. We don't want to hear any more excuses."
Total headcase
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I usually like to stay far, far away from headcases. However, these are desperate times.
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1. Is he already a good center? check.
2. Does he have the potential to be the best center? check.
3. Does he care about winning and will become frustrated if he doesn't? check.
That's all I need to know.
I'm not sure he cares about winning. I think he just hates Sacramento. And that frustration? That's just the way he is, a big baby. A talented big baby, but nonetheless, a baby.
DMC reminds me of a less competitive Antoine Walker. Jump shooting big, not a rim-protecting C. He would help but he's not in the same league as the top bigs in this league at this point
DeMarcus Cousins actually has legit post moves. They can be refined, but there's potential. It's all about potential. Walker was 6'8, 6'9, 225 lbs. Cousins is 6'11, 270 lbs. He can get so much better because he has the tools to do so.
it's the stress. I really do care. I wish people understood how much I hate losing. Honestly, the losing really gets to me..
He wants to be in a position where he can win. In his tenure in the NBA, he hasn't been able to play in a competitive team yet.
http://www.sactownroyalty.com/2012/12/30/3817370/demarcus-cousins-rumors-stress-sacramento-kings (http://www.sactownroyalty.com/2012/12/30/3817370/demarcus-cousins-rumors-stress-sacramento-kings)
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he team was surprised when Cousins showed up for practice on Christmas Eve, thinking the suspension was indefinite. Upon his arrival, "the Christmas spirit was gone," said the league source who is familiar with the Kings. And there was not much sympathy for him afterward when Cousins tried to apologize.
"When he apologized to the team, two players stood up and said 'we've heard this bull(bleep) before,'" the source said. "'You're either going to be with us, or you're not. We don't want to hear any more excuses."
Total headcase
link?
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DMC reminds me of a less competitive Antoine Walker. Jump shooting big, not a rim-protecting C. He would help but he's not in the same league as the top bigs in this league at this point
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Im fairly confident dmc led the league at shots at the rim last year
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I usually like to stay far, far away from headcases. However, these are desperate times.
I just don't think we can handle him either. The guy is fighting with Clifford Ray for the love of God. CLIFF RAY. The guy is going to respect KG? You mean the same guy that pushed KG into the stands and got into a fight with Rondo? Face it, this guy has serious problems. I would offer MAYBE Sully and that's about it
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he team was surprised when Cousins showed up for practice on Christmas Eve, thinking the suspension was indefinite. Upon his arrival, "the Christmas spirit was gone," said the league source who is familiar with the Kings. And there was not much sympathy for him afterward when Cousins tried to apologize.
"When he apologized to the team, two players stood up and said 'we've heard this bull(bleep) before,'" the source said. "'You're either going to be with us, or you're not. We don't want to hear any more excuses."
Total headcase
link?
http://www.nba.com/2012/news/features/david_aldridge/12/31/morning-tip-top-10-stories-2012/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpt6a
Towards the bottom..
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DMC has potential, not proven talent.
He is not a win-now player, he is a project player; high-risk high-reward.
I am not saying that getting Cousins would be a complete mistake, but the people both opposing and championing him seem to drastically misunderstand his game.
What Cousins is good at:
Rebounding (he is a beast on the boards)
Getting to the line (he is really good at drawing fouls, and because he is a decent free throw shooter he tends to generate points from this)
What Cousins is bad at:
Scoring (anyone who looks at his PPG is a fool who doesn't understand the game of basketball. PPG is MEANINGLESS without considering his FGA and FG%. All of his shooting splits are well below the league average, except FT%. He is NOT a good scorer.)
Defense (he gets a lot of steals, but not nearly enough blocks, and he fouls too much)
Passing (WAAAY too many turnovers)
Overall, he is a very inefficient player, and has been the past two seasons. All of his efficiency numbers are below the league average, which is bad. However, the devil is in two things: his shooting and turnovers. Even his defense isn't terrible, it just isn't good.
If DMC cuts down on his turnovers and improves his shot selection, he can be a great player. Definitely All-Star potential. The keyword, though, is POTENTIAL.
If you honestly think that plugging Cousins onto our roster as he is playing now will do anything but hurt us, I am sorry but you simply do not understand anything about the sport of basketball. The stats AND the eye test AND the general consensus of sports reporters agree on this point; Cousins has potential but isn't there yet.
Now, that leaves us with two scenarios:
Cousins comes to our team, refuses to improve, continues to be a head case, and we get nowhere.
Cousins comes to our team, changes his game/mindset (a la Blatche in Brooklyn this season), and we get an All-Star caliber big man.
So, as I said, this is high-risk, high-reward. This is not a win-now trade, this is not a safe trade. This would be a project. I just wish people would understand that. Thinking that it will be one extreme or the other as everyone who has posted in this thread seems to is foolish, and belies a complete misunderstanding of the way the sport works.
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We are in the worst shape we've been in in decades and "headcase" is the only reason people are objecting going after a very talented big? "WE" must be out of our minds then.
"WE" need all the help we can t right now...
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I'm becoming more open to the idea of acquiring Cousins, but would not want to part with Bradley to do so. He would be a good candidate to mimic the trash talk, attitude, and swagger of guys like Garnett and Pierce that causes fans of other teams to really hate the Celtics.
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Im not sure that some people that posted actually watched the game last night.
The guy droped a triple double on us. I didn't see him take a lot of out side shots like some people were talking about. Mostly taking it to the hoop. Still didnt shoot well, but he did get to the line.
He also made some really nice passes, and that steel was nice. It was like some one (Rondo) told him how to play.
Id rather have Cousins now than in two years when KG and PP arent here. Will he listen to then? Not sure, but you know KG wont take any crap from him. And to think if he does listen, what KG could do for him.
I think if he came to Boston his shooting would go up. For one thing he posts up near the point line and then takes it in. I think that would stop and rondo or KG would get him the ball on the block. Rondo would also dictate what shots he got. There would be less jump shots, and maybe more rolling to the hoop like he does with KG.
I think the Cs need to take a shot. I know people say we need to build threw the draft, but how painful would that be, and your talking doing that in about years and finaly having peices to be good Rondo will be in his 's by that point. And thats if he stays around for a rebuild.
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fun thread. Let's post more threads about all the players we can't trade for and pretend we don't want them. It's like pretending you aren't interested in the girl you could never get with. Like being the pimple-faced captain of the chess club and telling your nerdy friends you wouldn't hook up with the head Cheerleader/prom queen, because she's too ugly for you. Your nerdy pimple faced friends are gonna be like, "Yeah! Me neither!! She's way too ugly!"
FYI.... We Do Not Want LeBron James or Kevin Durant. This is fun.
Danny was successful in trading for KG in mid-2007, so I think it's reasonably possible that he could successfully trade for DMC in the present circumstances, especially given that there appears to be some chaos in the Kings front office at the moment.
We had more to give up back then for KG, though. All Jefferson was widely seen as having all-star potential... and he came pretty close to reaching that potential.
As much as we want to pretend... there is nobody on this team with allstar potential. No, not even Bradley and SUlly. At most they will be big time starters. Bradley is no more likely to become an allstar than Gerald Green was.. one of the players we included with Big Al to land KG. There's no Big Al on this team to land a star.
Also... KG was 32 years old after having come into the league at age 19... Despite being a vastly superior talent to Cousins, his age was a considerable factor.
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DMC has potential, not proven talent.
He is not a win-now player, he is a project player; high-risk high-reward.
I am not saying that getting Cousins would be a complete mistake, but the people both opposing and championing him seem to drastically misunderstand his game.
What Cousins is good at:
Rebounding (he is a beast on the boards)
Getting to the line (he is really good at drawing fouls, and because he is a decent free throw shooter he tends to generate points from this)
What Cousins is bad at:
Scoring (anyone who looks at his PPG is a fool who doesn't understand the game of basketball. PPG is MEANINGLESS without considering his FGA and FG%. All of his shooting splits are well below the league average, except FT%. He is NOT a good scorer.)
Defense (he gets a lot of steals, but not nearly enough blocks, and he fouls too much)
Passing (WAAAY too many turnovers)
Overall, he is a very inefficient player, and has been the past two seasons. All of his efficiency numbers are below the league average, which is bad. However, the devil is in two things: his shooting and turnovers. Even his defense isn't terrible, it just isn't good.
If DMC cuts down on his turnovers and improves his shot selection, he can be a great player. Definitely All-Star potential. The keyword, though, is POTENTIAL.
If you honestly think that plugging Cousins onto our roster as he is playing now will do anything but hurt us, I am sorry but you simply do not understand anything about the sport of basketball. The stats AND the eye test AND the general consensus of sports reporters agree on this point; Cousins has potential but isn't there yet.
Now, that leaves us with two scenarios:
Cousins comes to our team, refuses to improve, continues to be a head case, and we get nowhere.
Cousins comes to our team, changes his game/mindset (a la Blatche in Brooklyn this season), and we get an All-Star caliber big man.
So, as I said, this is high-risk, high-reward. This is not a win-now trade, this is not a safe trade. This would be a project. I just wish people would understand that. Thinking that it will be one extreme or the other as everyone who has posted in this thread seems to is foolish, and belies a complete misunderstanding of the way the sport works.
this is an outstanding post that is thoughtful, insightful, informed, and supported.
thank you and here is a brand new and shiny tp to you for christmas and the new year. :D
you basic point is right on. cousins is unknown in term of his ability to play for the team. his physical abilities are there, but he makes a number of poor decisions.
will he be willing to accept coaching and guidance from doc and teammates? no one knows. maybe not even cousins at this stage.
i can see why ainge wants cousins, his physical abilities are undeniable. huge risk, huge upside and equally evil downside.
i guess this is why ainge is paid to be gm and not CB posters. ;D
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If you honestly think that plugging Cousins onto our roster as he is playing now will do anything but hurt us, I am sorry but you simply do not understand anything about the sport of basketball.
I'm not sure that this is true. To make us better, he just needs to be better currently than Brandon Bass or Jason Collins. I'd say he passes that meager hurdle quite easily.
Also, Cousins has been playing excellent man-to-man post defense this year.
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If the Celts are involved in the Cousins trade I hope it is as a third team to somehow grab Kaman and Marion from the Mavs. Overall, I still pine for Gortat.
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Don't think the Kings move him unless he has another episode before the deadline.
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If you honestly think that plugging Cousins onto our roster as he is playing now will do anything but hurt us, I am sorry but you simply do not understand anything about the sport of basketball.
I'm not sure that this is true. To make us better, he just needs to be better currently than Brandon Bass or Jason Collins. I'd say he passes that meager hurdle quite easily.
Also, Cousins has been playing excellent man-to-man post defense this year.
hey! that quote was from RyNye, not me. :(
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Please all Celtic Fans. Get a hold of yourselves. Take a couple of **** and chase them with a a crown & 7up and make it a double !!! I've seen panic before (by me and other Celtic lovers) but this takes the prize.
Cousins is very talented - no question. plus, he's a center, which we are in desperate need of. HOWEVER, he is a complete head-case and will be a destructive cancer wherever he plays. he is self-centered, as immature as i've seen in the NBA and has a temper fuse that makes Rasheed Wallace look like Ghandi. he is constantly at odds with his coach and the longer things go smoothly for him, it's as if he can't handle the pressure and feels compelled to blow it up.
most of all, Demarcus Cousins is not a Celtic !!!!
Do me a favor. Like another poster mentioned, you should change this title to "I Don't Want Demarcus Cousins." You do not speak for me in anyway and it doesn't look like you speak for alot of people.
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i actually like the fact that he's a headcase. It means he's tough as nails.
Tough as nails? Definitely not.
I would take a risk on the guy, but he seems a bit weak minded to me. There is a difference between guys who are determined and guys who lose composure because they are erratic. Cousins has mostly shown immaturity, not drive.
Noah was an example of a guy who got into trouble early in his career because he was a determined winner on a losing team. There is a big difference. He went off on teammates who didn't take the game seriously. He didn't get in trouble for just being generally difficult to coach.
Totally disagree with this. How do you know that the coach wasn't at fault for Cousins telling him off? It bothers me when general conclusions are drawn in a conflict between a player and his coach and/or teammates. Since when is it safe to assume it's always the player's fault??? It's not. I like Cousins and like the edge he plays with.
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if we don't have to give up our 3best players in a deal for him, yes we do...a former Kentucky head case has worked out well for us.
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I want cousins and i want him now.
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I want cousins and i want him now.
+1
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Please all Celtic Fans. Get a hold of yourselves. Take a couple of **** and chase them with a a crown & 7up and make it a double !!! I've seen panic before (by me and other Celtic lovers) but this takes the prize.
Cousins is very talented - no question. plus, he's a center, which we are in desperate need of. HOWEVER, he is a complete head-case and will be a destructive cancer wherever he plays. he is self-centered, as immature as i've seen in the NBA and has a temper fuse that makes Rasheed Wallace look like Ghandi. he is constantly at odds with his coach and the longer things go smoothly for him, it's as if he can't handle the pressure and feels compelled to blow it up.
most of all, Demarcus Cousins is not a Celtic !!!!
Hmm, he DID just record a triple-double while leading his team to a 20 point win over us.
Yeah, ill take him.
Just not for Bradley.
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Please all Celtic Fans. Get a hold of yourselves. Take a couple of **** and chase them with a a crown & 7up and make it a double !!! I've seen panic before (by me and other Celtic lovers) but this takes the prize.
Cousins is very talented - no question. plus, he's a center, which we are in desperate need of. HOWEVER, he is a complete head-case and will be a destructive cancer wherever he plays. he is self-centered, as immature as i've seen in the NBA and has a temper fuse that makes Rasheed Wallace look like Ghandi. he is constantly at odds with his coach and the longer things go smoothly for him, it's as if he can't handle the pressure and feels compelled to blow it up.
most of all, Demarcus Cousins is not a Celtic !!!!
Hmm, he DID just record a triple-double while leading his team to a 20 point win over us.
Yeah, ill take him.
Just not for Bradley.
Every big guys who play against us look good. Even a bum center will look like an all-star.
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No way do we want this bum. They guy is a cancer and we don't need this. KG will shun the guy and he won't get "multiple" chances in their locker room like he did in SAC. We won in 2008 because we were a complete team with a common goal. This team not only doesn't even have the potential to win it all now anyway, the last thing they need to do is throw in a guy like this to destroy any possibility we have of coming together.
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No way do we want this bum. They guy is a cancer and we don't need this. KG will shun the guy and he won't get "multiple" chances in their locker room like he did in SAC. We won in 2008 because we were a complete team with a common goal. This team not only doesn't even have the potential to win it all now anyway, the last thing they need to do is throw in a guy like this to destroy any possibility we have of coming together.
I disagree.
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No way do we want this bum. They guy is a cancer and we don't need this. KG will shun the guy and he won't get "multiple" chances in their locker room like he did in SAC. We won in 2008 because we were a complete team with a common goal. This team not only doesn't even have the potential to win it all now anyway, the last thing they need to do is throw in a guy like this to destroy any possibility we have of coming together.
I disagree.
Brilliant rebuttal. TP to you.
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Every big guys who play against us look good. Even a bum center will look like an all-star.
This is true, but not just bigs - guards, small forwards, you name it.
Basically every time any team plays against us, there is a mediocre chump on the team has a breakout game.
But that said, Demarcus Cousins is not a bum centre. Now 1/3 of the way through his third season, Cousins has career averages of:
* 15.9 Points
* 9.6 Rebounds
* 2.2 Assists
* 1.2 Steals
* 0.9 Blocks
* 29.5 Minutes
They are VERY good numbers given the minutes played, and the guy is only 22 years old.
If it were in any way at all possible to get this guy in a Celtics uniform WITHOUT trading Sullinger and Bradley, we would then have three young guys under 23 years of age who can all produce right now, while having outstanding upside.
After Pierce and KG retire, we have about $25M in cap space along with a roster starting with:
PG: Rondo
SG: Bradley
SF: TBA
PF: Sullinger
C: Cousins
The front line of Cousins and Sullinger would be one of the better rebounding front lines in the NBA while both guys are also capable of scoring inside or out.
On the perimeter we have Bradley's harrassing defense along with Rondo playing the passing lanes and setting up the plays.
Using the cash saved from KG/Pierce contracts we could potentially sign a talented athletic wing (like Paul George, Rudy Gay, etc) and still have plenty of cap space to fill out a nice roster.
To be honest I'm just about ready to trade anybody bar KG and Bradley (and preferably I'd like to keep Sully too) in order to break this team up, because we are going nowhere fast.
There is no point at all in hovering just under 50% wins - that means we struggle to make the playoffs, yet we get a garbage position in the draft.
We are better off shaking things up. If we get worse out draft picks become more valuable, if we get better we could become a genuine contender.
Right now we are nothing but mediocre.
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fun thread. Let's post more threads about all the players we can't trade for and pretend we don't want them. It's like pretending you aren't interested in the girl you could never get with. Like being the pimple-faced captain of the chess club and telling your nerdy friends you wouldn't hook up with the head Cheerleader/prom queen, because she's too ugly for you. Your nerdy pimple faced friends are gonna be like, "Yeah! Me neither!! She's way too ugly!"
FYI.... We Do Not Want LeBron James or Kevin Durant. This is fun.
Danny was successful in trading for KG in mid-2007, so I think it's reasonably possible that he could successfully trade for DMC in the present circumstances, especially given that there appears to be some chaos in the Kings front office at the moment.
We had more to give up back then for KG, though. All Jefferson was widely seen as having all-star potential... and he came pretty close to reaching that potential.
As much as we want to pretend... there is nobody on this team with allstar potential. No, not even Bradley and SUlly. At most they will be big time starters. Bradley is no more likely to become an allstar than Gerald Green was.. one of the players we included with Big Al to land KG. There's no Big Al on this team to land a star.
Also... KG was 32 years old after having come into the league at age 19... Despite being a vastly superior talent to Cousins, his age was a considerable factor.
Yes, I appreciate the points you have raised, but my original post was more along the lines of trusting in Danny's ability to successfully wheel and deal in unlikely circumstances. He has experience making big trades in the past (ie. KG & Allen in 2007) and has the minerals to make tough decisions and roll the dice, sometimes seemingly out of the blue (ie. Perkins in 2011).
Danny did out-negotiate several other serious potential suitors for KG which included Phoenix, Golden State, the Lakers and Dallas. At the time KG's preference was Phoenix plus it was not a certainty that KG would extend hhis conract with the Cs: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2954127
Danny is more than capable of making a trade work for DMC, although in the present circumstances a third team will likely be involved; but that doesn't mean we can't trade for him.
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Fwiw, an article from a SacBee writer on Cousins and his issues, and then a bunch of fan responses:
http://www.sacbee.com/2012/12/23/5072798/ailene-voisin-cousins-deserves.html
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No way do we want this bum. They guy is a cancer and we don't need this. KG will shun the guy and he won't get "multiple" chances in their locker room like he did in SAC. We won in 2008 because we were a complete team with a common goal. This team not only doesn't even have the potential to win it all now anyway, the last thing they need to do is throw in a guy like this to destroy any possibility we have of coming together.
To be brutally honest, you people all need to stop reminiscing with 2008.
In 2008:
* Miami didn't have Lebron, Wade and Bosh
* The Lakers with title favorites
* Cassel, PJ Brown and Posey were still in the league
* There were no flopping rules
* Lebron didn't get free walks whenever he touched the ball
* Dwight Howard was not in LA with Kobe, Gasol and Nash
* OKC were a lottery team
* LAC were a lottery team
* Knicks were a lottery team
* There was no amnesty clause
* We had an old bargaining agreement
* KG, Pierce and Ray Allen were all 4 years younger
* Shaq was still in the NBA
* MWP was named Ron Artest
* Ben Wallace was a borderline All-Star
The list goes on...
This is not 2008, this team is not 2008's roster and this is not 2008's league.
In 2008 there was still a relative abundance of guys who played 'old school' tough - see Posey and PJ Brown. Now days most players are pampered, and these guys are few and far between.
In 2008 we still had a few legit bigs out there (i.e. Shaq) who actually played like bigs.
These days the NBA is a very different game, and the things that used to work back then may not be so successful now...or they may be simply not possible. Sometimes you need to try unorthodox approaches to get an advantage, and you certainly need to take a few risks.
Perfect example - take a look at our team right now. Danny and Doc specifically wanted to bring aboard low risk players. Guys who had positive attitudes and would not upset the status quo, so they signed Collins, Lee, Terry, Green, Bass, Barbosa. Where has that gotten us? That group of guys has been inconsistent not only with their play, but also with their effort.
Sometimes you NEED a little personality. Sometimes guys are head cases because they show too much emotion, and sometimes that emotion is what gives them their competitive fire. The first image that comes to mind is the shot of Nate Robinson jumping on a hypo, slobbering Big Baby. Right now there's little I wouldn't give as a Celtic fan to see a little of that passion.
The only guy Danny brought in who was a gamble was Darko, and now he's gone...and is probably the one guy we could really use.
Ironically past Boston teams have always had guys who are heavy with emotion. Nate Robinson, Big Baby, Mikael Pietrus, Keeyon Dooling, Kevin Garnett, Rajon Rondo, James Posey, Shaq, Delonte, RAsheed, etc.
Right now the four guys who show constant heart/emotion (KG, Rondo, Pierce, Sullinger) are pretty much the only guys earning their pay.
Not only will I accept a head case, but I WANT a head case. I think we NEED a head case. Right now everyone on this team is so indifferent - were down by 20 and they all just look at each other with that blank look - nobody seems to actually CARE about games.
I'd be thrilled to have an emotional guy or two on this team who does show a little emotion. I want somebody like Dooling who will abuse the guys when they come out with zero effort. Someone like Rondo who will stand up for teammates when another team tries to punk them. Someone like Pierce who will come out at the age of 35 and explode for 40 points, single handedly willing us to victory.
I think it's good to have calm guys like Green, Terry and Bass on the team - it brings calm and stability. But you also need to combine that wtih an equal mix of guys that thive off their emotion. This way the emotional guys will inspire the quiet guys when they aren't playing their hardest, and the quiet guys will calm the emotional guys when they go a little too far.
Right now I wouldn't mind a Demarcus Cousins, a Latrell Sprewell, a Delonte West or a Stephon Marbury. Hell I wouldn't mind a couple of them!
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We had more to give up back then for KG, though. All Jefferson was widely seen as having all-star potential... and he came pretty close to reaching that potential.
As much as we want to pretend... there is nobody on this team with allstar potential. No, not even Bradley and SUlly. At most they will be big time starters. Bradley is no more likely to become an allstar than Gerald Green was.. one of the players we included with Big Al to land KG. There's no Big Al on this team to land a star.
Also... KG was 32 years old after having come into the league at age 19... Despite being a vastly superior talent to Cousins, his age was a considerable factor.
Yeah but that works both ways. We gave up more, but we also got far more in return.
Al Jefferson was a potential future All-Star, but Kevin Garnett was a superstar - a top 5 player in the league. We gave up a young guy with potential to one day be an all star, and in return for that we got back an MVP, a multi-year All-Star, an olympic gold medalist, one of the best defensive players in the league, and a guy coming off a 24 point / 14 rebound / 6 assists season. Kevin Garnett was putting up Lebron-esque numbers the 2 or 3 seasons prior to us getting him, and Al Jefferson wasn't even CLOSE to being even a breadcrumb of the player Garnett was at the time.
Another thing to consider is that Garnett was not a head-case at the time. He was the leader of his team both with his emotion and with his play, he was loyal and he was the ultimate teammate. Also his team was a playoff team for several straight seasons.
In this case we are trying to get a guy who is similar to Al Jefferson (a potential future All-Star) only the guy we are trying to get has a bad reputation for being a head case and for being detrimental to his team - a team that has been lottery for the past 3 or 4 seasons. We plan to offer several solid role players who have good attitudes, who are fairly young, and who would be positive role models on this young team.
I think the idea of us trading for Cousins is nowhere near as far fetched as the idea of us trading for KG 4 seasons ago.
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No way do we want this bum. They guy is a cancer and we don't need this. KG will shun the guy and he won't get "multiple" chances in their locker room like he did in SAC. We won in 2008 because we were a complete team with a common goal. This team not only doesn't even have the potential to win it all now anyway, the last thing they need to do is throw in a guy like this to destroy any possibility we have of coming together.
To be brutally honest, you people all need to stop reminiscing with 2008.
In 2008:
* Miami didn't have Lebron, Wade and Bosh
* The Lakers with title favorites
* Cassel, PJ Brown and Posey were still in the league
* There were no flopping rules
* Lebron didn't get free walks whenever he touched the ball
* Dwight Howard was not in LA with Kobe, Gasol and Nash
* OKC were a lottery team
* LAC were a lottery team
* Knicks were a lottery team
* There was no amnesty clause
* We had an old bargaining agreement
* KG, Pierce and Ray Allen were all 4 years younger
* Shaq was still in the NBA
* MWP was named Ron Artest
* Ben Wallace was a borderline All-Star
The list goes on...
This is not 2008, this team is not 2008's roster and this is not 2008's league.
In 2008 there was still a relative abundance of guys who played 'old school' tough - see Posey and PJ Brown. Now days most players are pampered, and these guys are few and far between.
In 2008 we still had a few legit bigs out there (i.e. Shaq) who actually played like bigs.
These days the NBA is a very different game, and the things that used to work back then may not be so successful now...or they may be simply not possible. Sometimes you need to try unorthodox approaches to get an advantage, and you certainly need to take a few risks.
Perfect example - take a look at our team right now. Danny and Doc specifically wanted to bring aboard low risk players. Guys who had positive attitudes and would not upset the status quo, so they signed Collins, Lee, Terry, Green, Bass, Barbosa. Where has that gotten us? That group of guys has been inconsistent not only with their play, but also with their effort.
Sometimes you NEED a little personality. Sometimes guys are head cases because they show too much emotion, and sometimes that emotion is what gives them their competitive fire. The first image that comes to mind is the shot of Nate Robinson jumping on a hypo, slobbering Big Baby. Right now there's little I wouldn't give as a Celtic fan to see a little of that passion.
The only guy Danny brought in who was a gamble was Darko, and now he's gone...and is probably the one guy we could really use.
Ironically past Boston teams have always had guys who are heavy with emotion. Nate Robinson, Big Baby, Mikael Pietrus, Keeyon Dooling, Kevin Garnett, Rajon Rondo, James Posey, Shaq, Delonte, RAsheed, etc.
Right now the four guys who show constant heart/emotion (KG, Rondo, Pierce, Sullinger) are pretty much the only guys earning their pay.
Not only will I accept a head case, but I WANT a head case. I think we NEED a head case. Right now everyone on this team is so indifferent - were down by 20 and they all just look at each other with that blank look - nobody seems to actually CARE about games.
I'd be thrilled to have an emotional guy or two on this team who does show a little emotion. I want somebody like Dooling who will abuse the guys when they come out with zero effort. Someone like Rondo who will stand up for teammates when another team tries to punk them. Someone like Pierce who will come out at the age of 35 and explode for 40 points, single handedly willing us to victory.
I think it's good to have calm guys like Green, Terry and Bass on the team - it brings calm and stability. But you also need to combine that wtih an equal mix of guys that thive off their emotion. This way the emotional guys will inspire the quiet guys when they aren't playing their hardest, and the quiet guys will calm the emotional guys when they go a little too far.
Right now I wouldn't mind a Demarcus Cousins, a Latrell Sprewell, a Delonte West or a Stephon Marbury. Hell I wouldn't mind a couple of them!
I see your point, but DMC is a really bad example. There is a difference between playing with heart, with a chip o your shoulder, and being a head case. I really don't think this team should consider DMC.
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No way do we want this bum. They guy is a cancer and we don't need this. KG will shun the guy and he won't get "multiple" chances in their locker room like he did in SAC. We won in 2008 because we were a complete team with a common goal. This team not only doesn't even have the potential to win it all now anyway, the last thing they need to do is throw in a guy like this to destroy any possibility we have of coming together.
To be brutally honest, you people all need to stop reminiscing with 2008.
In 2008:
* Miami didn't have Lebron, Wade and Bosh
* The Lakers with title favorites
* Cassel, PJ Brown and Posey were still in the league
* There were no flopping rules
* Lebron didn't get free walks whenever he touched the ball
* Dwight Howard was not in LA with Kobe, Gasol and Nash
* OKC were a lottery team
* LAC were a lottery team
* Knicks were a lottery team
* There was no amnesty clause
* We had an old bargaining agreement
* KG, Pierce and Ray Allen were all 4 years younger
* Shaq was still in the NBA
* MWP was named Ron Artest
* Ben Wallace was a borderline All-Star
The list goes on...
This is not 2008, this team is not 2008's roster and this is not 2008's league.
In 2008 there was still a relative abundance of guys who played 'old school' tough - see Posey and PJ Brown. Now days most players are pampered, and these guys are few and far between.
In 2008 we still had a few legit bigs out there (i.e. Shaq) who actually played like bigs.
These days the NBA is a very different game, and the things that used to work back then may not be so successful now...or they may be simply not possible. Sometimes you need to try unorthodox approaches to get an advantage, and you certainly need to take a few risks.
Perfect example - take a look at our team right now. Danny and Doc specifically wanted to bring aboard low risk players. Guys who had positive attitudes and would not upset the status quo, so they signed Collins, Lee, Terry, Green, Bass, Barbosa. Where has that gotten us? That group of guys has been inconsistent not only with their play, but also with their effort.
Sometimes you NEED a little personality. Sometimes guys are head cases because they show too much emotion, and sometimes that emotion is what gives them their competitive fire. The first image that comes to mind is the shot of Nate Robinson jumping on a hypo, slobbering Big Baby. Right now there's little I wouldn't give as a Celtic fan to see a little of that passion.
The only guy Danny brought in who was a gamble was Darko, and now he's gone...and is probably the one guy we could really use.
Ironically past Boston teams have always had guys who are heavy with emotion. Nate Robinson, Big Baby, Mikael Pietrus, Keeyon Dooling, Kevin Garnett, Rajon Rondo, James Posey, Shaq, Delonte, RAsheed, etc.
Right now the four guys who show constant heart/emotion (KG, Rondo, Pierce, Sullinger) are pretty much the only guys earning their pay.
Not only will I accept a head case, but I WANT a head case. I think we NEED a head case. Right now everyone on this team is so indifferent - were down by 20 and they all just look at each other with that blank look - nobody seems to actually CARE about games.
I'd be thrilled to have an emotional guy or two on this team who does show a little emotion. I want somebody like Dooling who will abuse the guys when they come out with zero effort. Someone like Rondo who will stand up for teammates when another team tries to punk them. Someone like Pierce who will come out at the age of 35 and explode for 40 points, single handedly willing us to victory.
I think it's good to have calm guys like Green, Terry and Bass on the team - it brings calm and stability. But you also need to combine that wtih an equal mix of guys that thive off their emotion. This way the emotional guys will inspire the quiet guys when they aren't playing their hardest, and the quiet guys will calm the emotional guys when they go a little too far.
Right now I wouldn't mind a Demarcus Cousins, a Latrell Sprewell, a Delonte West or a Stephon Marbury. Hell I wouldn't mind a couple of them!
Testify! TP
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I see your point, but DMC is a really bad example. There is a difference between playing with heart, with a chip o your shoulder, and being a head case. I really don't think this team should consider DMC.
I get you, but most people would consider Delonte West a head case as well.
Do you not think we could use him right now, regardless of his mental instability?
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I see your point, but DMC is a really bad example. There is a difference between playing with heart, with a chip o your shoulder, and being a head case. I really don't think this team should consider DMC.
I get you, but most people would consider Delonte West a head case as well.
Do you not think we could use him right now, regardless of his mental instability?
Yes, but not all head cases are created equal. DMC is a coach killer and a winer, and I'm not sure how much heart he has. For better or worse, Delonte worked his tail off and didn't complain as much as DMC, IMO.
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Every big guys who play against us look good. Even a bum center will look like an all-star.
This is true, but not just bigs - guards, small forwards, you name it.
Basically every time any team plays against us, there is a mediocre chump on the team has a breakout game.
But that said, Demarcus Cousins is not a bum centre. Now 1/3 of the way through his third season, Cousins has career averages of:
* 15.9 Points
* 9.6 Rebounds
* 2.2 Assists
* 1.2 Steals
* 0.9 Blocks
* 29.5 Minutes
They are VERY good numbers given the minutes played, and the guy is only 22 years old.
If it were in any way at all possible to get this guy in a Celtics uniform WITHOUT trading Sullinger and Bradley, we would then have three young guys under 23 years of age who can all produce right now, while having outstanding upside.
After Pierce and KG retire, we have about $25M in cap space along with a roster starting with:
PG: Rondo
SG: Bradley
SF: TBA
PF: Sullinger
C: Cousins
Don't tell me you honestly believe we're gonna get cousins without giving up bradley or sullinger.
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Every big guys who play against us look good. Even a bum center will look like an all-star.
This is true, but not just bigs - guards, small forwards, you name it.
Basically every time any team plays against us, there is a mediocre chump on the team has a breakout game.
But that said, Demarcus Cousins is not a bum centre. Now 1/3 of the way through his third season, Cousins has career averages of:
* 15.9 Points
* 9.6 Rebounds
* 2.2 Assists
* 1.2 Steals
* 0.9 Blocks
* 29.5 Minutes
They are VERY good numbers given the minutes played, and the guy is only 22 years old.
If it were in any way at all possible to get this guy in a Celtics uniform WITHOUT trading Sullinger and Bradley, we would then have three young guys under 23 years of age who can all produce right now, while having outstanding upside.
After Pierce and KG retire, we have about $25M in cap space along with a roster starting with:
PG: Rondo
SG: Bradley
SF: TBA
PF: Sullinger
C: Cousins
Don't tell me you honestly believe we're gonna get cousins without giving up bradley or sullinger.
He meant theoretically.
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You need to edit the title. I believe the correct title is "I Do Not Want Demarcus Cousins". Stop putting words in my and other posters' mouths.
sounds like you need a few of those Crowns .......
"We" in this case, is just a figure of speech. easy now.
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those of you who have been so upset by my use of the word "We" (do not want DMC) may need to consider drinking the entire bottle of Crown that i mentioned.
Good God - it's a figure of speech - do you take everything in life so literally ?
As for your various arguments in favor of Cousins:
> he did not have a disagreement with one coach, he's had serious blowups with both of his pro coaches and he had problems at times with Calapari at Kentucky (where, btw, he did not win a national title as one poster stated).
> comparing his "strong emotions' and "intensity" to KG's competitiveness is just plain ignorant. KG does not have major blowups with his coaches that result in game suspensions. KG's intensity is all about helping his team win, it is not about his own petty tantrums.
> we are not in "the most desperate position in years" as another poster alluded to. we are in the last couple of seasons of a strong Celtic era that produced one title and would have likely produced another until Danny destroyed the team we had - which, btw, was built on togetherness, unselfishness, maturity, toughness and elite defense. Cousins does not help these areas.
> comparing Nate Robinson's exuberance with Demarcus Cousins self-centered and mis-directed anger is ridiculous.
>next time, for the benefit of this board's mental midgets, i'll rephrase my title as maybe, "Why We Should Not Want De Cousins"
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I would like to say that I would actually want him on the celtics and lets not forget that zach randolph was the same exact malcontent that cousins is now don't get me wrong randolph is not a model citizen but he has come a long way and is without a doubt one of the better power forwards in the game. All i'm saying is that in the right situation and environment any player can reach his potential. With that said If Rondo were on the suns he probably would not be in the league because of his attitude but because Doc Rivers and the big 3 helped him along the way he has become the best passing point guard in the league. So do i want cousins on the celtics YES I DO!!
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Another thing is Cousins is without a doubt the most talented big man in the league and When not if but when he gets it The league better watch out. When that does happen i would love for it to be playing with the boston celtics and Rondo.
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Another thing is Cousins is without a doubt the most talented big man in the league and When not if but when he gets it The league better watch out. When that does happen i would love for it to be playing with the boston celtics and Rondo.
well said.
The Celtics would be very fortunate indeed to have Cousins as our center.
There is only a 2-3 bigs I like better, but we have slim or zero chance of them playing for the Celtics in their prime.
I think Danny know 's the team would be no worst off in the short term with a new player for this year and COusins would be a HUGE jumpstart on rebuilding for 2-3 years down the road when PP and KG retire. Plus we are only picking up his low contract , and he can be dumped if he becomes a headache. If definelty worth the risk.
It 's the kind of trade could propel the Celtics back to top eventually. Life is about risks ... GO FOR IT :)