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Around the League => Transaction Ideas and Rumors => Topic started by: rutzan on December 30, 2012, 11:36:51 AM
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Celtics receive:
Cousins
Evans
Salmons
Outgoing Salary: $17,214,625
Total Contract Value: $31.5M
Kings Receive:
Bradley
Sullinger
Lee
Green
Outgoing Salary: $15,322,720
Total Contract Value: $63M
We might have to throw in Melo at $1,254,720
Why for the Celtics:
Cousins: Obvious
Evans: Obvious
Salmons: Replaces Green at backup SF
Why for the Kings Reason #1:
Bradley: Obvious
Sullinger: Obvious
Why for the Kings Reason #2:
Kings get younger at SF:
Green
26 yrs old
$33M for 4 yrs
Salmons
33 yrs old
$24M for 3 yrs
Garcia
30 yrs old
2013 - 2014
Team Option
$6,400,000
Outlaw
28 yrs old
$9M for 3 yrs
Why for the Kings Reason #3:
Evans is a restricted free agent after this year and they will probably lose him as they will probably not match what he is offered
The difference between total contract values is about $31.5M and Evans will sign for way more than that; probably at least $40M and maybe $45M
Why for the Kings Reason #4:
Lee & Thorton at SG
New C's Depth Chart:
PG: Rondo/Barbosa
SG: Evans/Terry
C: Cousins/Collins/Wilcox
PF: Garnett/Bass/Vanardo
SF: Pierce/Salmons/Joseph
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I'd do the trade faster than a Kim Kardashian marriage.
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Kings won't do it.
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Kings won't do it.
This
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for those of you that say this won't happen...go read what people are saying about evans in sacto...they are going to lose him...that is becoming more apparent each day...the real question then becomes what can they get for him so they at least get something instead of nothing...so let me ask you this...what is your alternative for the kings to at least get something for evans?
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Never will happen. Sacramento could do better.
I can see Sac wanting to trade Cousins/Evans, and they don't exactly have a ton of leverage, but the deal as proposed lacks a good big coming back. Sac will likely be looking to get a center.
I think a deal involving Utah might make the most sense.
Bos- IN: Cousins, Salmons
OUT: Green, Bradley, Sullinger
Sac- IN: Jefferson, Green, Bradley
OUT: Cousins, Evans, Salmons
Utah- IN: Evans, Sullinger
Out: Jefferson
Might require some picks heading to Sac, but I'd say its fair return for all involved.
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The Kings management is not that bad that they will consider this trade proposal.
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the bottomline for the kings and petrie...they HAVE to listen...they will lose evans...cousins may have forced their hand...salmons is their oldest player and paid the most...it makes the most sense to trade the three of them in some kind of package...for everyone that says the kings won't listen...guess what...i don't see a lot of other teams able to put together a similar package...it probably will require a 3 team trade...but...if you look at a single trade partner...we are right there with anyone...
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I'd do the trade faster than a Kim Kardashian marriage.
****...i would do this to!!
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How about:
celtics get :
Demarcus Cousins
John Salmons
kings get :
Jared Sullinger
Fab Melo
Evan Fournier
Quincy Miller
Celtics 1st pick 2013
nuggets get :
Courtney Lee
Celtics 2nd pick 2014
Rajon Rondo/ Jason Terry/ Leandro Barbosa
Avery Bradley/ John Salmons
Paul Pierce/ Jeff Green/ Kris Joseph
Kevin Garnett/ Brandon Bass/ Kenyon Martin/ Jarvis Varnado
Demarcus Cousins/ Chris Wilcox/ Jason Collins
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i'm looking at this like the sox did with the dodgers
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i'm looking at this like the sox did with the dodgers
Except the sox actually gave up good players in that deal. That, and the kings are dirt poor and want to cut salary
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This isn't baseball. And the C's aren't just simply looking to dump salary.
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well...beauty is in the eye of the beholder...do i think gonzo, crawford and beckett were good players...maybe...do i miss them...prob not...do i miss the chicken and beer king...no...i would argue green, lee, bradley, sullinger and melo are better, younger, cheaper and have less baggage than gonzo, crawford and beckett
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well...beauty is in the eye of the beholder...do i think gonzo, crawford and beckett were good players...maybe...do i miss them...prob not...do i miss the chicken and beer king...no...i would argue green, lee, bradley, sullinger and melo are better, younger, cheaper and have less baggage than gonzo, crawford and beckett
so your against players with baggage despite their obvious talent, but you are FOR trading for Cousins?
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i'm looking at this like the sox did with the dodgers
Except the sox actually gave up good players in that deal. That, and the kings are dirt poor and want to cut salary
if you into consideration total contract value and trying to resign evans...the kings will prob save $10M to $15M...couple that with the Maloofs losing money in vegas...this deal makes financial sense for the kings and saves them money...you look at the sox...they are not looking at annual salary as much as they are total contract value
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well...beauty is in the eye of the beholder...do i think gonzo, crawford and beckett were good players...maybe...do i miss them...prob not...do i miss the chicken and beer king...no...i would argue green, lee, bradley, sullinger and melo are better, younger, cheaper and have less baggage than gonzo, crawford and beckett
so your against players with baggage but you are FOR trading for Cousins?
the sox traded older players making max money that had already peaked and had multiple surgeries...cousins is younger, has not peaked and has not had multiple surgeries...gonzo, crawford and beckett prob had 5 to 10 surgeries between them...
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Sacramento is at/below the salary cap currently. I doubt their looking to cut more salary. They have to stay above the salary floor.
Also, Sacramento has very little use for cap space. Notable free agents don't sign there. They will want players they can build around.
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well...beauty is in the eye of the beholder...do i think gonzo, crawford and beckett were good players...maybe...do i miss them...prob not...do i miss the chicken and beer king...no...i would argue green, lee, bradley, sullinger and melo are better, younger, cheaper and have less baggage than gonzo, crawford and beckett
so your against players with baggage but you are FOR trading for Cousins?
the sox traded older players making max money that had already peaked and had multiple surgeries...cousins is younger, has not peaked and has not had multiple surgeries...gonzo, crawford and beckett prob had 5 to 10 surgeries between them...
the celtics players you are proposing to trade for a young big man with all-star talent have very low upside, have peaked except for maybe Sullinger, and have accomplished very little in the league. Why would the kings want to do this? It makes no sense.
We could get Cousins for Bradley, Sullinger, and Melo, but why would the Kings want back the contracts of other players?
If we also want Evans, we need to give them Rondo.
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well...beauty is in the eye of the beholder...do i think gonzo, crawford and beckett were good players...maybe...do i miss them...prob not...do i miss the chicken and beer king...no...i would argue green, lee, bradley, sullinger and melo are better, younger, cheaper and have less baggage than gonzo, crawford and beckett
so your against players with baggage but you are FOR trading for Cousins?
the sox traded older players making max money that had already peaked and had multiple surgeries...cousins is younger, has not peaked and has not had multiple surgeries...gonzo, crawford and beckett prob had 5 to 10 surgeries between them...
the celtics players you are proposing to trade for a young big man with all-star talent have very low upside, have peaked except for maybe Sullinger, and have accomplished very little in the league. Why would the kings want to do this? It makes no sense.
bradley has peaked at 22?
wow is all i can say
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Yeah, I just don't see the incentive here for the Kings nor do I think they would ever pull trigger on this.
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well...beauty is in the eye of the beholder...do i think gonzo, crawford and beckett were good players...maybe...do i miss them...prob not...do i miss the chicken and beer king...no...i would argue green, lee, bradley, sullinger and melo are better, younger, cheaper and have less baggage than gonzo, crawford and beckett
so your against players with baggage but you are FOR trading for Cousins?
the sox traded older players making max money that had already peaked and had multiple surgeries...cousins is younger, has not peaked and has not had multiple surgeries...gonzo, crawford and beckett prob had 5 to 10 surgeries between them...
the celtics players you are proposing to trade for a young big man with all-star talent have very low upside, have peaked except for maybe Sullinger, and have accomplished very little in the league. Why would the kings want to do this? It makes no sense.
bradley has peaked at 22?
wow is all i can say
He has, unfortunately. If you think he's going to be an all-star your in for a major disappointment.
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Here's what I think of Bradley from another thread here:
Things that will happen when Avery Bradley returns on January 2nd:
-Doc Rivers will decide that small ball doesn't work
-KG will stop using the 5-5-5 plan
-Pierce will lose weight
-Rondo will stop pouting and yelling at the refs and everyone around him
-Sullinger will get more PT AND will have plays called for him to post up
-Lee will start hitting his threes
-Green will grow a pair
-Cousins new agent will decide to give us Cousins in a Pau Gasol type deal
-Wade will stop hitting people in the groin and trying to dislocate their joints
-Lebron will actually get called for fouls
-Bird, McHale, and Parrish WILL walk through that door
-David Stern, on his day of retirement (YAY!) will apologize to all the teams and the fans he screwed over for decades, especially the celtics
-Congress will not only work together and avoid the fiscal cliff, they will balance the budget
Yes, I cannot wait for the return of Avery Bradley.
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the incentive is evans walks for nothing...the incentive is salmons is their oldest and highest paid player...the real point is have the kings given up on cousins...what do the kings know about cousins that the rest of the league doesn't know...that is the risk/reward part of the equation for both the c's and kings...evans and salmons are no-brainers in this equation
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the incentive is evans walks for nothing...the incentive is salmons is their oldest and highest paid player...the real point is have the kings given up on cousins...what do the kings know about cousins that the rest of the league doesn't know...that is the risk/reward part of the equation for both the c's and kings...evans and salmons are no-brainers in this equation
and you think they can't trade Evans or Cousins to any of the other 28 teams in the league for good value? These are not middle age or old players on big contracts, these are cheap, very young and talented players we're talking about. The kings can even keep both if they want to and won't really lose anything.
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well...beauty is in the eye of the beholder...do i think gonzo, crawford and beckett were good players...maybe...do i miss them...prob not...do i miss the chicken and beer king...no...i would argue green, lee, bradley, sullinger and melo are better, younger, cheaper and have less baggage than gonzo, crawford and beckett
so your against players with baggage but you are FOR trading for Cousins?
the sox traded older players making max money that had already peaked and had multiple surgeries...cousins is younger, has not peaked and has not had multiple surgeries...gonzo, crawford and beckett prob had 5 to 10 surgeries between them...
the celtics players you are proposing to trade for a young big man with all-star talent have very low upside, have peaked except for maybe Sullinger, and have accomplished very little in the league. Why would the kings want to do this? It makes no sense.
bradley has peaked at 22?
wow is all i can say
He has, unfortunately. If you think he's going to be an all-star your in for a major disappointment.
can i borrow your crystal ball?
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No way Bradley has peeked. That's crazy talk.
A guy only in his 3rd year who has started in less than 50 games can not possibly have reached his peak. Bradley may never even be an all-star, but he certainly still has room for improvement.
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the incentive is evans walks for nothing...the incentive is salmons is their oldest and highest paid player...the real point is have the kings given up on cousins...what do the kings know about cousins that the rest of the league doesn't know...that is the risk/reward part of the equation for both the c's and kings...evans and salmons are no-brainers in this equation
and you think they can't trade Evans or Cousins to any of the other 28 teams in the league for good value? These are not middle age or old players on big contracts, these are cheap, very young and talented players we're talking about. The kings can even keep both if they want to and won't really lose anything.
Exactly. The Kings can get way better packages that what the Celtics are giving up here.
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the incentive is evans walks for nothing...the incentive is salmons is their oldest and highest paid player...the real point is have the kings given up on cousins...what do the kings know about cousins that the rest of the league doesn't know...that is the risk/reward part of the equation for both the c's and kings...evans and salmons are no-brainers in this equation
and you think they can't trade Evans or Cousins to any of the other 28 teams in the league for good value? These are not middle age or old players on big contracts, these are cheap, very young and talented players we're talking about. The kings can even keep both if they want to and won't really lose anything.
well...if you think it is so easy...where are your proposals?
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No way Bradley has peeked. That's crazy talk.
A guy only in his 3rd year who has started in less than 50 games can not possibly have reached his peak. Bradley may never even be an all-star, but he certainly still has room for improvement.
you mean maybe he can learn how to dribble past half court without being stripped, or how to pass to a teammate without staring at the passing target for 5 seconds before throwing the ball?
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the incentive is evans walks for nothing...the incentive is salmons is their oldest and highest paid player...the real point is have the kings given up on cousins...what do the kings know about cousins that the rest of the league doesn't know...that is the risk/reward part of the equation for both the c's and kings...evans and salmons are no-brainers in this equation
and you think they can't trade Evans or Cousins to any of the other 28 teams in the league for good value? These are not middle age or old players on big contracts, these are cheap, very young and talented players we're talking about. The kings can even keep both if they want to and won't really lose anything.
well...if you think it is so easy...where are your proposals?
I say get a big man like Dalembert for very cheap and roll with the team we have. Give Sullinger more playing time too.
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the incentive is evans walks for nothing...the incentive is salmons is their oldest and highest paid player...the real point is have the kings given up on cousins...what do the kings know about cousins that the rest of the league doesn't know...that is the risk/reward part of the equation for both the c's and kings...evans and salmons are no-brainers in this equation
and you think they can't trade Evans or Cousins to any of the other 28 teams in the league for good value? These are not middle age or old players on big contracts, these are cheap, very young and talented players we're talking about. The kings can even keep both if they want to and won't really lose anything.
Exactly. The Kings can get way better packages that what the Celtics are giving up here.
well...if you think it is so easy...where are your proposals?
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Also, if you really want to trade for Cousins, it would cost us Bradley, Sullinger, Melo, and picks just for Cousins. No Tyreke Evans free bonus for taking Salmons or something. No giving the Kings our underachieving long term contracts like Lee and Green.
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the incentive is evans walks for nothing...the incentive is salmons is their oldest and highest paid player...the real point is have the kings given up on cousins...what do the kings know about cousins that the rest of the league doesn't know...that is the risk/reward part of the equation for both the c's and kings...evans and salmons are no-brainers in this equation
and you think they can't trade Evans or Cousins to any of the other 28 teams in the league for good value? These are not middle age or old players on big contracts, these are cheap, very young and talented players we're talking about. The kings can even keep both if they want to and won't really lose anything.
Exactly. The Kings can get way better packages that what the Celtics are giving up here.
well...if you think it is so easy...where are your proposals?
Is it my job to make proposals now?
If you can't deal with the criticism of your proposal by people on here, I don't know what to tell you. Calling others out isn't going to help your case though.
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the kings are going to lose evans for nothing...they are going to trade him...the maloofs are losing money hand over fist right now
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the incentive is evans walks for nothing...the incentive is salmons is their oldest and highest paid player...the real point is have the kings given up on cousins...what do the kings know about cousins that the rest of the league doesn't know...that is the risk/reward part of the equation for both the c's and kings...evans and salmons are no-brainers in this equation
and you think they can't trade Evans or Cousins to any of the other 28 teams in the league for good value? These are not middle age or old players on big contracts, these are cheap, very young and talented players we're talking about. The kings can even keep both if they want to and won't really lose anything.
Exactly. The Kings can get way better packages that what the Celtics are giving up here.
well...if you think it is so easy...where are your proposals?
Is it my job to make proposals now?
If you can't deal with the criticism of your proposal by people on here, I don't know what to tell you. Calling others out isn't going to help your case though.
wow...asking you to make a proposal is calling you out...a little sensitive, huh?
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the kings are going to lose evans for nothing...they are going to trade him...the maloofs are losing money hand over fist right now
many things in this short post make no sense
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the incentive is evans walks for nothing...the incentive is salmons is their oldest and highest paid player...the real point is have the kings given up on cousins...what do the kings know about cousins that the rest of the league doesn't know...that is the risk/reward part of the equation for both the c's and kings...evans and salmons are no-brainers in this equation
and you think they can't trade Evans or Cousins to any of the other 28 teams in the league for good value? These are not middle age or old players on big contracts, these are cheap, very young and talented players we're talking about. The kings can even keep both if they want to and won't really lose anything.
Exactly. The Kings can get way better packages that what the Celtics are giving up here.
well...if you think it is so easy...where are your proposals?
Is it my job to make proposals now?
If you can't deal with the criticism of your proposal by people on here, I don't know what to tell you. Calling others out isn't going to help your case though.
wow...asking you to make a proposal is calling you out...a little sensitive, huh?
Ha...that's funny given the circumstances.
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the kings are going to lose evans for nothing...they are going to trade him...the maloofs are losing money hand over fist right now
many things in this short post make no sense
ok...see the links below...that took me about 15 seconds to find
These are trying times for Maloof
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2011/6/15/2225677/sacramento-kings-maloofs-palms-casino
Maloofs Now Own Just 2 Percent Of Palms And No Longer Run Resort, Putting Kings' Finances In Question
The Maloofs, who own the Sacramento Kings, have lost majority control of the Palms Casino and Hotel in Las Vegas amid rampant reports of the family's financial demise.
http://www.lvrj.com/news/these-are-trying-times-for-maloof-122412629.html
so...let's look at evans...do you really think the kings are going to re-sign evans...i say it will take $40M to $45M to re-sign evans..what do you think it will take for the kings to re-sign evans and will they do it?
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Not that his isn't a good idea, but this exact trade is on the forum about 3-4 different times.
And the general consensus is that the Kings wouldn't trade their 2 best players for anything short of Rondo.
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Regardless of whether or not the Maloofs are broke they still need to meet payroll and the salary floor per the CBA.
Sacramento probably will lose Evans, but a S&T during the off-season is possible. As such, they will bide their time until the right deal arises. If nothing materializes they may just keep him, while still trading Cousins.
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Honestly, I think the NBA might step in soon, and take over similar to what happened in New Orleans.
If ownership is losing money AND broke, they are not viable and a detriment to the league.
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Regardless of whether or not the Maloofs are broke they still need to meet payroll and the salary floor per the CBA.
Sacramento probably will lose Evans, but a S&T during the off-season is possible. As such, they will bide their time until the right deal arises. If nothing materializes they may just keep him, while still trading Cousins.
i was thinking about the S&T also...but...i think S&T is more difficult route...
i always remember salmons hurting us...i think he would help us...the kings of course would look at it as a salary dump...
the salaries match...so there is no issue with CBA, salary floor, etc...so...that point is moot...
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My point is, if Sacramento is forced to either resign Evans or get nothing in return for him, they probably re-sign him. They would need to spend a certain amount of the money that would come off the books by letting him go. They won't be able to get a player through FA who is comparable in talent. Why spend money on crappier players?
Sacramento won't take a bad deal just to trade him.
Cousins and Evans situations are not tied together.
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the "X" factor may be fegan...if i'm fegan and looking for a big pay day for both him and cousins on the next contract...then...i want to place him somewhere where he has the best chance to succeed...the worst thing that could happen for fegan and cousins is to be stuck somewhere where the team does not succeed...and...more to the point...cousins needs to be in a situation where he will grow and learn how to be a professional from doc, garnett, pierce, terry, rondo...i can already see the raised eyebrows with the inclusion of rondo...can you see cousins in kg's face...who do you think will back down first...cousins needs to be in an environement where he will grow...and...i think fegan knows this
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My point is, if Sacramento is forced to either resign Evans or get nothing in return for him, they probably re-sign him. They would need to spend a certain amount of the money that would come off the books by letting him go. They won't be able to get a player through FA who is comparable in talent. Why spend money on crappier players?
Sacramento won't take a bad deal just to trade him.
Cousins and Evans situations are not tied together.
Exactly. Evans is not 32 years old, and he's not asking for a max contract. Why would they not re-sign him if they can't get a good trade for him? The "kings are broke and need to cut salary" excuse has already been thrown out the window. They have to pay someone, there are league rules for minimum salary levels, and they aren't going to attract better free agents than Evans.
Also, Evans situation has nothing to do with Cousins. This is not the 2012 Red Sox where a bunch of overpayed old vets let themselves go and ruined the environment. These are two very young, very talented players trying to make a name for themselves and working hard. One of them has anger management issues, the other doesn't fit into a defined NBA position. Not comparable at all to the Red Sox.
Do you think that somehow you are the only person, out of all the GMs who are paid extremely well to analyze these things every day, you are the only person to suddenly realize that the Kings need to dump Evans along with Cousins ASAP so let's offer them our junk for their two best players and get it done? That makes no sense.
Evans and Cousins are both very young players who have already proven that they have excellent NBA talent. Both are on cheap deals. Every GM will make offers for them, regardless of what's posted online.
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My point is, if Sacramento is forced to either resign Evans or get nothing in return for him, they probably re-sign him. They would need to spend a certain amount of the money that would come off the books by letting him go. They won't be able to get a player through FA who is comparable in talent. Why spend money on crappier players?
Sacramento won't take a bad deal just to trade him.
Cousins and Evans situations are not tied together.
Exactly. Evans is not 32 years old, and he's not asking for a max contract. Why would they not re-sign him if they can't get a good trade for him? The "kings are broke and need to cut salary" excuse has already been thrown out the window. They have to pay someone, there are league rules for minimum salary levels, and they aren't going to attract better free agents than Evans.
Also, Evans situation has nothing to do with Cousins. This is not the 2012 Red Sox where a bunch of overpayed old vets let themselves go and ruined the environment. These are two very young, very talented players trying to make a name for themselves and working hard. One of them has anger management issues, the other doesn't fit into a defined NBA position. Not comparable at all to the Red Sox.
Do you think that somehow you are the only person, out of all the GMs who are paid extremely well to analyze these things every day, you are the only person to suddenly realize that the Kings need to dump Evans along with Cousins ASAP so let's offer them our junk for their two best players and get it done? That makes no sense.
Evans and Cousins are both very young players who have already proven that they have excellent NBA talent. Both are on cheap deals. Every GM will make offers for them, regardless of what's posted online.
lol...i would say the same thing to you...i bet "GM" is your middle name...lol...does everyone here have the holiday blues...lol...
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My point is, if Sacramento is forced to either resign Evans or get nothing in return for him, they probably re-sign him. They would need to spend a certain amount of the money that would come off the books by letting him go. They won't be able to get a player through FA who is comparable in talent. Why spend money on crappier players?
Sacramento won't take a bad deal just to trade him.
Cousins and Evans situations are not tied together.
Exactly. Evans is not 32 years old, and he's not asking for a max contract. Why would they not re-sign him if they can't get a good trade for him? The "kings are broke and need to cut salary" excuse has already been thrown out the window. They have to pay someone, there are league rules for minimum salary levels, and they aren't going to attract better free agents than Evans.
Also, Evans situation has nothing to do with Cousins. This is not the 2012 Red Sox where a bunch of overpayed old vets let themselves go and ruined the environment. These are two very young, very talented players trying to make a name for themselves and working hard. One of them has anger management issues, the other doesn't fit into a defined NBA position. Not comparable at all to the Red Sox.
Do you think that somehow you are the only person, out of all the GMs who are paid extremely well to analyze these things every day, you are the only person to suddenly realize that the Kings need to dump Evans along with Cousins ASAP so let's offer them our junk for their two best players and get it done? That makes no sense.
Evans and Cousins are both very young players who have already proven that they have excellent NBA talent. Both are on cheap deals. Every GM will make offers for them, regardless of what's posted online.
hurry...can anyone get dr phil to join us...lol...
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My point is, if Sacramento is forced to either resign Evans or get nothing in return for him, they probably re-sign him. They would need to spend a certain amount of the money that would come off the books by letting him go. They won't be able to get a player through FA who is comparable in talent. Why spend money on crappier players?
Sacramento won't take a bad deal just to trade him.
Cousins and Evans situations are not tied together.
Exactly. Evans is not 32 years old, and he's not asking for a max contract. Why would they not re-sign him if they can't get a good trade for him? The "kings are broke and need to cut salary" excuse has already been thrown out the window. They have to pay someone, there are league rules for minimum salary levels, and they aren't going to attract better free agents than Evans.
Also, Evans situation has nothing to do with Cousins. This is not the 2012 Red Sox where a bunch of overpayed old vets let themselves go and ruined the environment. These are two very young, very talented players trying to make a name for themselves and working hard. One of them has anger management issues, the other doesn't fit into a defined NBA position. Not comparable at all to the Red Sox.
Do you think that somehow you are the only person, out of all the GMs who are paid extremely well to analyze these things every day, you are the only person to suddenly realize that the Kings need to dump Evans along with Cousins ASAP so let's offer them our junk for their two best players and get it done? That makes no sense.
Evans and Cousins are both very young players who have already proven that they have excellent NBA talent. Both are on cheap deals. Every GM will make offers for them, regardless of what's posted online.
hurry...can anyone get dr phil to join us...lol...
Wow, what a well thought out, basketball topic based comeback. I suggest if you can't deal with criticism to your proposed trades, then don't propose any. Stick to the basketball issues instead of personal attacks.
This is the second person now that you have attacked in the same thread because you can't seem to handle criticism to your proposals.
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My point is, if Sacramento is forced to either resign Evans or get nothing in return for him, they probably re-sign him. They would need to spend a certain amount of the money that would come off the books by letting him go. They won't be able to get a player through FA who is comparable in talent. Why spend money on crappier players?
Sacramento won't take a bad deal just to trade him.
Cousins and Evans situations are not tied together.
Exactly. Evans is not 32 years old, and he's not asking for a max contract. Why would they not re-sign him if they can't get a good trade for him? The "kings are broke and need to cut salary" excuse has already been thrown out the window. They have to pay someone, there are league rules for minimum salary levels, and they aren't going to attract better free agents than Evans.
Also, Evans situation has nothing to do with Cousins. This is not the 2012 Red Sox where a bunch of overpayed old vets let themselves go and ruined the environment. These are two very young, very talented players trying to make a name for themselves and working hard. One of them has anger management issues, the other doesn't fit into a defined NBA position. Not comparable at all to the Red Sox.
Do you think that somehow you are the only person, out of all the GMs who are paid extremely well to analyze these things every day, you are the only person to suddenly realize that the Kings need to dump Evans along with Cousins ASAP so let's offer them our junk for their two best players and get it done? That makes no sense.
Evans and Cousins are both very young players who have already proven that they have excellent NBA talent. Both are on cheap deals. Every GM will make offers for them, regardless of what's posted online.
i do agree that the kings will get a lot of calls for both of them
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My point is, if Sacramento is forced to either resign Evans or get nothing in return for him, they probably re-sign him. They would need to spend a certain amount of the money that would come off the books by letting him go. They won't be able to get a player through FA who is comparable in talent. Why spend money on crappier players?
Sacramento won't take a bad deal just to trade him.
Cousins and Evans situations are not tied together.
Exactly. Evans is not 32 years old, and he's not asking for a max contract. Why would they not re-sign him if they can't get a good trade for him? The "kings are broke and need to cut salary" excuse has already been thrown out the window. They have to pay someone, there are league rules for minimum salary levels, and they aren't going to attract better free agents than Evans.
Also, Evans situation has nothing to do with Cousins. This is not the 2012 Red Sox where a bunch of overpayed old vets let themselves go and ruined the environment. These are two very young, very talented players trying to make a name for themselves and working hard. One of them has anger management issues, the other doesn't fit into a defined NBA position. Not comparable at all to the Red Sox.
Do you think that somehow you are the only person, out of all the GMs who are paid extremely well to analyze these things every day, you are the only person to suddenly realize that the Kings need to dump Evans along with Cousins ASAP so let's offer them our junk for their two best players and get it done? That makes no sense.
Evans and Cousins are both very young players who have already proven that they have excellent NBA talent. Both are on cheap deals. Every GM will make offers for them, regardless of what's posted online.
i do agree that the kings will get a lot of calls for both of them
well, that's more like it. Yes, they will, and some offers will be junk, but I can see many teams that would make strong offers too. Some teams that would otherwise not get a talented player may also overpay.
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My point is, if Sacramento is forced to either resign Evans or get nothing in return for him, they probably re-sign him. They would need to spend a certain amount of the money that would come off the books by letting him go. They won't be able to get a player through FA who is comparable in talent. Why spend money on crappier players?
Sacramento won't take a bad deal just to trade him.
Cousins and Evans situations are not tied together.
Exactly. Evans is not 32 years old, and he's not asking for a max contract. Why would they not re-sign him if they can't get a good trade for him? The "kings are broke and need to cut salary" excuse has already been thrown out the window. They have to pay someone, there are league rules for minimum salary levels, and they aren't going to attract better free agents than Evans.
Also, Evans situation has nothing to do with Cousins. This is not the 2012 Red Sox where a bunch of overpayed old vets let themselves go and ruined the environment. These are two very young, very talented players trying to make a name for themselves and working hard. One of them has anger management issues, the other doesn't fit into a defined NBA position. Not comparable at all to the Red Sox.
Do you think that somehow you are the only person, out of all the GMs who are paid extremely well to analyze these things every day, you are the only person to suddenly realize that the Kings need to dump Evans along with Cousins ASAP so let's offer them our junk for their two best players and get it done? That makes no sense.
Evans and Cousins are both very young players who have already proven that they have excellent NBA talent. Both are on cheap deals. Every GM will make offers for them, regardless of what's posted online.
hurry...can anyone get dr phil to join us...lol...
Wow, what a well thought out, basketball topic based comeback. I suggest if you can't deal with criticism to your proposed trades, then don't propose any. Stick to the basketball issues instead of personal attacks.
This is the second person now that you have attacked in the same thread because you can't seem to handle criticism to your proposals.
you know the funny thing...i don't take anyone's comments here as criticism...does anyone remember the locker room scene with cuba gooding jr and tom cruise in jerry maguire...if you do...then you will know what i'm talking about...it goes something like this..."you think we're fighting...i think we're just starting to communicate"...hysterical
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can we get rex ryan to take the celtics blog etiquette course?
you gotta have a little fun with this...right?
lol...
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My point is, if Sacramento is forced to either resign Evans or get nothing in return for him, they probably re-sign him. They would need to spend a certain amount of the money that would come off the books by letting him go. They won't be able to get a player through FA who is comparable in talent. Why spend money on crappier players?
Sacramento won't take a bad deal just to trade him.
Cousins and Evans situations are not tied together.
Exactly. Evans is not 32 years old, and he's not asking for a max contract. Why would they not re-sign him if they can't get a good trade for him? The "kings are broke and need to cut salary" excuse has already been thrown out the window. They have to pay someone, there are league rules for minimum salary levels, and they aren't going to attract better free agents than Evans.
Also, Evans situation has nothing to do with Cousins. This is not the 2012 Red Sox where a bunch of overpayed old vets let themselves go and ruined the environment. These are two very young, very talented players trying to make a name for themselves and working hard. One of them has anger management issues, the other doesn't fit into a defined NBA position. Not comparable at all to the Red Sox.
Do you think that somehow you are the only person, out of all the GMs who are paid extremely well to analyze these things every day, you are the only person to suddenly realize that the Kings need to dump Evans along with Cousins ASAP so let's offer them our junk for their two best players and get it done? That makes no sense.
Evans and Cousins are both very young players who have already proven that they have excellent NBA talent. Both are on cheap deals. Every GM will make offers for them, regardless of what's posted online.
hurry...can anyone get dr phil to join us...lol...
Wow, what a well thought out, basketball topic based comeback. I suggest if you can't deal with criticism to your proposed trades, then don't propose any. Stick to the basketball issues instead of personal attacks.
This is the second person now that you have attacked in the same thread because you can't seem to handle criticism to your proposals.
you know the funny thing...i don't take anyone's comments here as criticism...does anyone remember the locker room scene with cuba gooding jr and tom cruise in jerry maguire...if you do...then you will know what i'm talking about...it goes something like this..."you think we're fighting...i think we're just starting to communicate"...hysterical
I remember that scene; the problem is, the way you're acting in this thread didn't remind me of it.
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My point is, if Sacramento is forced to either resign Evans or get nothing in return for him, they probably re-sign him. They would need to spend a certain amount of the money that would come off the books by letting him go. They won't be able to get a player through FA who is comparable in talent. Why spend money on crappier players?
Sacramento won't take a bad deal just to trade him.
Cousins and Evans situations are not tied together.
Exactly. Evans is not 32 years old, and he's not asking for a max contract. Why would they not re-sign him if they can't get a good trade for him? The "kings are broke and need to cut salary" excuse has already been thrown out the window. They have to pay someone, there are league rules for minimum salary levels, and they aren't going to attract better free agents than Evans.
Also, Evans situation has nothing to do with Cousins. This is not the 2012 Red Sox where a bunch of overpayed old vets let themselves go and ruined the environment. These are two very young, very talented players trying to make a name for themselves and working hard. One of them has anger management issues, the other doesn't fit into a defined NBA position. Not comparable at all to the Red Sox.
Do you think that somehow you are the only person, out of all the GMs who are paid extremely well to analyze these things every day, you are the only person to suddenly realize that the Kings need to dump Evans along with Cousins ASAP so let's offer them our junk for their two best players and get it done? That makes no sense.
Evans and Cousins are both very young players who have already proven that they have excellent NBA talent. Both are on cheap deals. Every GM will make offers for them, regardless of what's posted online.
hurry...can anyone get dr phil to join us...lol...
Wow, what a well thought out, basketball topic based comeback. I suggest if you can't deal with criticism to your proposed trades, then don't propose any. Stick to the basketball issues instead of personal attacks.
This is the second person now that you have attacked in the same thread because you can't seem to handle criticism to your proposals.
you know the funny thing...i don't take anyone's comments here as criticism...does anyone remember the locker room scene with cuba gooding jr and tom cruise in jerry maguire...if you do...then you will know what i'm talking about...it goes something like this..."you think we're fighting...i think we're just starting to communicate"...hysterical
I remember that scene; the problem is, the way you're acting in this thread didn't remind me of it.
that's ok...you are entitled to your opinion