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Title: Everything is fine. Just played a team hitting everything tonight
Post by: vinnie on December 30, 2012, 12:55:02 AM
 ;D
Title: Re: Everything is fine. Just played a team hitting everything tonight
Post by: mrpoundforpound on December 30, 2012, 12:56:29 AM
;D

we also happened to miss everything today.
Title: Re: Everything is fine. Just played a team hitting everything tonight
Post by: CelticsFan9 on December 30, 2012, 12:57:16 AM
While I share the same view as you (that the team is not good enough as currently constructed; Doc is an overrated coach; the defense is horrible; etc.), I wish you would stop making threads after every bad game (seems like its becoming every game, though).

Just make one big thread, please.
Title: Re: Everything is fine. Just played a team hitting everything tonight
Post by: rondohondo on December 30, 2012, 12:57:28 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rm81LSKJC2k

bwhahahaha
Title: Re: Everything is fine. Just played a team hitting everything tonight
Post by: pearljammer10 on December 30, 2012, 12:59:21 AM
At this point in the season, we should start playing better and seeing improvement, not getting worse and seeing even less effort.

I don't know how doc expects to win games playing Garnett only 23 minutes a night. Back to back or not that's beyond ridiculous. 6 fga with 3 boards... I mean really. We are beyond lacking a big man, especially when ourMVP big man is restricted to games like this..
Title: Re: Everything is fine. Just played a team hitting everything tonight
Post by: SHAQATTACK on December 30, 2012, 01:00:31 AM
We'll bounce back...long as we have the willy  TERRY on the Celtics we'll be OK....he just off tonight ,he play better NEXT TIME......

OVER IN EUROPE I HOPE>> >:(
Title: Re: Everything is fine. Just played a team hitting everything tonight
Post by: SHAQATTACK on December 30, 2012, 01:01:33 AM
At this point in the season, we should start playing better and seeing improvement, not getting worse and seeing even less effort.

I don't know how doc expects to win games playing Garnett only 23 minutes a night. Back to back or not that's beyond ridiculous. 6 fga with 3 boards... I mean really. We are beyond lacking a big man, especially when ourMVP big man is restricted to games like this..


I agree totally ...we are getting destroyed in nearly EVERY PHASE of BASKETBALL
Title: Re: Everything is fine. Just played a team hitting everything tonight
Post by: Ogaju on December 30, 2012, 01:21:39 AM
its not even january yet and you guys are complaining. Lets wait until the all-star break and then we will know what we have :P
Title: Re: Everything is fine. Just played a team hitting everything tonight
Post by: vinnie on December 30, 2012, 01:28:35 AM
Worst back-to-back losses since 2002.
Title: Re: Everything is fine. Just played a team hitting everything tonight
Post by: vinnie on December 30, 2012, 01:29:33 AM
While I share the same view as you (that the team is not good enough as currently constructed; Doc is an overrated coach; the defense is horrible; etc.), I wish you would stop making threads after every bad game (seems like its becoming every game, though).

Just make one big thread, please.

Only reason I am making these for the last two games is because there is no game thread in which to comment. Usually everyone can go there after the game, but nothing with the team being on the west coast.
Title: Re: Everything is fine. Just played a team hitting everything tonight
Post by: Celtics18 on December 30, 2012, 01:34:51 AM
While I share the same view as you (that the team is not good enough as currently constructed; Doc is an overrated coach; the defense is horrible; etc.), I wish you would stop making threads after every bad game (seems like its becoming every game, though).

Just make one big thread, please.

Only reason I am making these for the last two games is because there is no game thread in which to comment. Usually everyone can go there after the game, but nothing with the team being on the west coast.

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=61273.585

She's still making them for the West coast games.  As a matter of fact, the Kings one is up already. 
Title: Re: Everything is fine. Just played a team hitting everything tonight
Post by: vinnie on December 30, 2012, 01:37:06 AM
While I share the same view as you (that the team is not good enough as currently constructed; Doc is an overrated coach; the defense is horrible; etc.), I wish you would stop making threads after every bad game (seems like its becoming every game, though).

Just make one big thread, please.

Only reason I am making these for the last two games is because there is no game thread in which to comment. Usually everyone can go there after the game, but nothing with the team being on the west coast.

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=61273.585

She's still making them for the West coast games.  As a matter of fact, the Kings one is up already.

I am talking about the post game stories that Jeff usually writes that report the score and the highlights and lowlights of the game and that are on the front page of the blog. Those have not appeared until the next day the last two games.
Title: Re: Everything is fine. Just played a team hitting everything tonight
Post by: Ogaju on December 30, 2012, 01:43:58 AM
at this rate we must be vying for the league lead in blowout losses.
Title: Re: Everything is fine. Just played a team hitting everything tonight
Post by: csfansince60s on December 30, 2012, 02:00:39 AM
When the Cs went on this road-trip, I expected them to be 2-2.

Beat the Kings later today>>>right on schedule.

3-1 would've been nice, but not totally realistic, given how much they are struggling.

One positive of all their negative play is that a pretty substantive trade becomes more and more likely.

Cousins, Gortat, Verajao, Gasol (least likely because of salary),....one will happen.

Josh Smith is playing too well as are the Hawks. He's who I'd like to have, but that's pretty unlikely now.
Title: Re: Everything is fine. Just played a team hitting everything tonight
Post by: manl_lui on December 30, 2012, 02:01:21 AM
I'm still optimistic! exactly what you said, hit or miss! we keep missing our open shots, and they kept hitting theirs...

well also our defense sucked a little, but o well, bradley should help with that
Title: Re: Everything is fine. Just played a team hitting everything tonight
Post by: Kane3387 on December 30, 2012, 02:12:32 AM
Without our best player it will be hard to beat a team playing as well as GS on the road. They do have a great home crowd.

We have the talent to be elite. Sadly it is just underperforming.
Title: Re: Everything is fine. Just played a team hitting everything tonight
Post by: rocknrollforyoursoul on December 30, 2012, 02:54:46 AM
its not even january yet and you guys are complaining. Lets wait until the all-star break and then we will know what we have :P

For me, it's even so much whether the team will turn it around. It's the fact that, even if the team does turn it around, that'll mean only two or three months of enjoyable basketball viewing. As a fan, I'd like to be able to enjoy watching the team for most of the season, which I don't think is an unreasonable expectation.
Title: Re: Everything is fine. Just played a team hitting everything tonight
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on December 30, 2012, 04:13:12 AM
I saw pretty good ball movement.against the Dubs. Just couldnt hit anything.

Our defense looks okay, but there was no effort. Everyone looked tired or just flat out quit. Avery needs to come back now. He may be able to provide a spark.
Title: Re: Everything is fine. Just played a team hitting everything tonight
Post by: mctyson on December 30, 2012, 06:12:16 AM
I went to bed after the first quarter as I was pretty sure they were going to lose, and I am older and I get sleepy after a few vinos.

I thought I saw some positives before I dozed off.  Sullinger, to me, is the best thing we can say about the Celtics this season.  I thought Lee looked good offensively, and he wound up with 18 points.  Bass was aggressive to the basket which he MUST do more often!

But the negatives were more numerous and the same.  Another 1st quarter giving up 25+ points.  Just not sure what Jason Terry gives this unit right now.  Jason Collins should not be the starting center of a legit NBA finals contender.  Pierce looked like he didnt want to play from the beginning.

Oh well.
Title: Re: Everything is fine. Just played a team hitting everything tonight
Post by: cltc5 on December 30, 2012, 06:14:04 AM
we have a system that we implemented in 2008 and a coach that refuses to adjust that system unless it's out of necessity.
Title: Re: Everything is fine. Just played a team hitting everything tonight
Post by: bfrombleacher on December 30, 2012, 06:20:06 AM
Teams seem to do that a lot this season, getting unusually hot against us.

Probably because teams are, quote, "getting up to play" against the better teams. The excuse used for every one of the Heat's losses this year, because teams are "getting up to play against the reigning NBA champs".

Not that it isn't true. But it doesn't justify us not playing up to our potential. We're nowhere near our potential. Some see that as glass half empty, I say glass half full. A team with the Jet, KG, Pierce and Rondo is going to be fun to watch come playoffs.
Title: Re: Everything is fine. Just played a team hitting everything tonight
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on December 30, 2012, 09:04:55 AM
Refs last night were awful and wouldn't let us get into any sort of rhythm. That said, one of the main problem in the last few games has been how bad Pierce has been playing. He's shooting poorly and not moving the ball well, which just exacerbates the problem.
Title: Re: Everything is fine. Just played a team hitting everything tonight
Post by: Who on December 30, 2012, 11:02:40 AM
Teams seem to do that a lot this season, getting unusually hot against us.

Probably because teams are, quote, "getting up to play" against the better teams. The excuse used for every one of the Heat's losses this year, because teams are "getting up to play against the reigning NBA champs".

Not that it isn't true. But it doesn't justify us not playing up to our potential. We're nowhere near our potential. Some see that as glass half empty, I say glass half full. A team with the Jet, KG, Pierce and Rondo is going to be fun to watch come playoffs.

Miami are very disappointing. I thought they'd post a big W-L record this season but they continue to play with their foot half off the pedal.

I want to see them stomp on some people. They have the talent.
Title: Re: Everything is fine. Just played a team hitting everything tonight
Post by: CoachBo on December 30, 2012, 11:20:59 AM
I saw pretty good ball movement.against the Dubs. Just couldnt hit anything.

Our defense looks okay, but there was no effort. Everyone looked tired or just flat out quit. Avery needs to come back now. He may be able to provide a spark.

There's nothing "okay" about this defense, and you contradict yourself in the second half of your statement. There's zero defensive effort on this team from anyone besides Garnett, and that isn't new to last night. It's a pattern with the season.

Everything is not fine. Danny has assembled a bunch of pieces that have not remotely fit together. This is a .500 team with little or no playoff future, with or without Avery Bradley, unless changes are made.
Title: Re: Everything is fine. Just played a team hitting everything tonight
Post by: celticinorlando on December 30, 2012, 11:22:31 AM
I saw pretty good ball movement.against the Dubs. Just couldnt hit anything.

Our defense looks okay, but there was no effort. Everyone looked tired or just flat out quit. Avery needs to come back now. He may be able to provide a spark.

There's nothing "okay" about this defense, and you contradict yourself in the second half of your statement. There's zero defensive effort on this team from anyone besides Garnett, and that isn't new to last night. It's a pattern with the season.

Everything is not fine. Danny has assembled a bunch of pieces that have not remotely fit together. This is a .500 team with little or no playoff future, with or without Avery Bradley, unless changes are made.

TP. the defense has been an issue all year. giving up 100 plus is now routine. No way that is a good thing
Title: Re: Everything is fine. Just played a team hitting everything tonight
Post by: MBunge on December 30, 2012, 11:33:10 AM
we have a system that we implemented in 2008 and a coach that refuses to adjust that system unless it's out of necessity.

And then those adjustments are just flailing around.  I mean, can anyone see the logic in starting Collins but only playing him 12, 23, 15, 13, 17 and 9 minutes in those games?

It's certainly not Doc's fault that some of these players are just sucking and if this team somehow gets it together for a deep playoff run, he'll wind up looking pretty smart.  Right now, Doc looks like a coach who came into this season expecting to just do EXACTLY what this team has done the last few years, put ZERO thought into making any changes to fit his players and is now bewildered that it didn't work.

Mike
Title: Re: Everything is fine. Just played a team hitting everything tonight
Post by: csfansince60s on December 30, 2012, 11:57:49 AM
its not even january yet and you guys are complaining. Lets wait until the all-star break and then we will know what we have :P

For me, it's even so much whether the team will turn it around. It's the fact that, even if the team does turn it around, that'll mean only two or three months of enjoyable basketball viewing. As a fan, I'd like to be able to enjoy watching the team for most of the season, which I don't think is an unreasonable expectation.

I agree with this. Some of these games are just painful to watch.

I have skipped many games after the Celts have put in real stinkers.The embarrassing blowout loss to Detroit especially comes to mind, but there have been plenty others.

Now, I jump into and out of games with the clicker, and DVR them all just in case I think that they have been worth watching. Why should we put the effort into watching, if they don't put the effort into playing?

That being said, I will watch tonight because maybe we will be seeing on the other team some future Celtics, and I also think that the effort will be there.
Title: Re: Everything is fine. Just played a team hitting everything tonight
Post by: Clench123 on December 30, 2012, 12:18:37 PM
Rondo didn't play.  He's our best player and was sorely missed last night but I still didn't expect us to play that badly.  To lose that badly
Title: Re: Everything is fine. Just played a team hitting everything tonight
Post by: Celtics4ever on December 30, 2012, 12:44:45 PM
I don't think the sky is ever falling, in the end this is just a game, but I think we are far from fine.  This team has underperformed my expectations for the year.  We have had a huge lapse in our defense.  Sometimes we struggle to score and our rebounding sucks.   I still love the team and this will be my favorite team forever.   I am more of a Celtic's fan than an NBA fan.
Title: Re: Everything is fine. Just played a team hitting everything tonight
Post by: scaryjerry on December 30, 2012, 01:16:04 PM
haha yeah exactly. more of a trend then an aberration at this point though
Title: Re: Everything is fine. Just played a team hitting everything tonight
Post by: Celtics18 on December 30, 2012, 02:05:54 PM
I saw pretty good ball movement.against the Dubs. Just couldnt hit anything.

Our defense looks okay, but there was no effort. Everyone looked tired or just flat out quit. Avery needs to come back now. He may be able to provide a spark.

There's nothing "okay" about this defense, and you contradict yourself in the second half of your statement. There's zero defensive effort on this team from anyone besides Garnett, and that isn't new to last night. It's a pattern with the season.

Everything is not fine. Danny has assembled a bunch of pieces that have not remotely fit together. This is a .500 team with little or no playoff future, with or without Avery Bradley, unless changes are made.

When you use lines like "there's zero defensive effort on this team from anyone besides Garnett," it's hard to take you seriously.  That kind of over the top hyperbole doesn't really add anything of substance. 
Title: Re: Everything is fine. Just played a team hitting everything tonight
Post by: Atzar on December 30, 2012, 02:18:55 PM
I saw pretty good ball movement.against the Dubs. Just couldnt hit anything.

Our defense looks okay, but there was no effort. Everyone looked tired or just flat out quit. Avery needs to come back now. He may be able to provide a spark.

There's nothing "okay" about this defense, and you contradict yourself in the second half of your statement. There's zero defensive effort on this team from anyone besides Garnett, and that isn't new to last night. It's a pattern with the season.

Everything is not fine. Danny has assembled a bunch of pieces that have not remotely fit together. This is a .500 team with little or no playoff future, with or without Avery Bradley, unless changes are made.

When you use lines like "there's zero defensive effort on this team from anyone besides Garnett," it's hard to take you seriously.  That kind of over the top hyperbole doesn't really add anything of substance.

Who do you think honestly plays hard on that end?  Serious question. 
Title: Re: Everything is fine. Just played a team hitting everything tonight
Post by: The_Truth on December 30, 2012, 02:50:28 PM
I will always cheer for the Celtics, but the way they are playing now is just sad. We don't have a championship caliber team even with Bradley and Cousins the roster. We could make a deep playoff run but I don't put my expectations too high. Hopefully they prove me wrong.
Title: Re: Everything is fine. Just played a team hitting everything tonight
Post by: Celtics18 on December 30, 2012, 03:37:51 PM
I saw pretty good ball movement.against the Dubs. Just couldnt hit anything.

Our defense looks okay, but there was no effort. Everyone looked tired or just flat out quit. Avery needs to come back now. He may be able to provide a spark.

There's nothing "okay" about this defense, and you contradict yourself in the second half of your statement. There's zero defensive effort on this team from anyone besides Garnett, and that isn't new to last night. It's a pattern with the season.

Everything is not fine. Danny has assembled a bunch of pieces that have not remotely fit together. This is a .500 team with little or no playoff future, with or without Avery Bradley, unless changes are made.

When you use lines like "there's zero defensive effort on this team from anyone besides Garnett," it's hard to take you seriously.  That kind of over the top hyperbole doesn't really add anything of substance.

Who do you think honestly plays hard on that end?  Serious question.

I think there have been lapses from everyone, and moments were it looks like the effort is lacking.  I also think that when you are frustrated by the way you are playing, somehow you end up being a step slower, you end up losing your man more, and things pile up on you.

Overall, though, I don't think it's a lack of effort from anyone.  I think it's a lack of execution, confidence, and rhythm right now. 

Either way, I guess that point could be debated.  And, I can understand if fans look at this team right now and come to the conclusion that they aren't trying hard enough.  And, I know folks don't like these kinds of semantics, but when someone says "zero defensive effort," I take them literally.  Zero means zero.  That's obviously not the case.  You can question whether the team is putting out enough defense effort, but you can't realistically say it's at "zero."

Again, sorry for being so semantic, but these are just the kind of completely exaggerated comments that really bother me. 
Title: Re: Everything is fine. Just played a team hitting everything tonight
Post by: LarBrd33 on December 30, 2012, 04:29:40 PM
Everything IS fine in the sense that this is really all you should have expected of this team.  Nothing is happening here that wasn't entirely predictable.  Some of you guys had this team winning 60+ which honestly sounded delusional at the time:  http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=59456.msg1296485#msg1296485

I guess that's what happens when you vastly overrate mediocre signings.  We replaced our 4th best player and best shooter with "backup shooting guard by committee" and arguably (according to most people here) the best of those backup shooting guards hasn't even made his season debut.  This roster didn't make sense before the season and doesn't make sense now.  Our 4th best player (Jeff Green) is being paid like a starter and coming off our bench.  Aside from KG, this team is filled with backup level bigs.  This was true before the season and it's true now.  Am I shocked that Collins is starting?... absolutely not. 

We're filled with redundant positions and heading towards a trade deadline where we are desperate to consolidate.  You simply had to look at the roster in August to know that was going to happen.  This seriously shouldn't be surprising to you.   This Boston team was below .500 mid season last year as well until roles were defined (by injury) and Kevin Garnett flipped a switch.  When all is said in done, we might win 45-50 games.  As far as I'm concerned, this season is going exactly like it logically should be going.   Still waiting for us to make a impact trade.  Still crossing my fingers that we catch a break in the playoffs like we did last year.  If everything falls into place, we could potentially make another little run towards the ECF.
Title: Re: Everything is fine. Just played a team hitting everything tonight
Post by: Celtics18 on December 30, 2012, 04:39:22 PM
Everything IS fine in the sense that this is really all you should have expected of this team.  Nothing is happening here that wasn't entirely predictable.  Some of you guys had this team winning 60+ which honestly sounded delusional at the time:  http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=59456.msg1296485#msg1296485

I guess that's what happens when you vastly overrate mediocre signings.  We replaced our 4th best player and best shooter with "backup shooting guard by committee" and arguably (according to most people here) the best of those backup shooting guards hasn't even made his season debut.  This roster didn't make sense before the season and doesn't make sense now.  Our 4th best player (Jeff Green) is being paid like a starter and coming off our bench.  Aside from KG, this team is filled with backup level bigs.  This was true before the season and it's true now.  Am I shocked that Collins is starting?... absolutely not. 

We're filled with redundant positions and heading towards a trade deadline where we are desperate to consolidate.  You simply had to look at the roster in August to know that was going to happen.  This seriously shouldn't be surprising to you.   This Boston team was below .500 mid season last year as well until roles were defined (by injury) and Kevin Garnett flipped a switch.  When all is said in done, we might win 45-50 games.  As far as I'm concerned, this season is going exactly like it logically should be going.   Still waiting for us to make a impact trade.  Still crossing my fingers that we catch a break in the playoffs like we did last year.  If everything falls into place, we could potentially make another little run towards the ECF.

I agree that 60 wins looks a bit unrealistic right now, but it's a little early to be posting "I told you so" threads. 
Title: Re: Everything is fine. Just played a team hitting everything tonight
Post by: LarBrd33 on December 30, 2012, 04:45:47 PM
Everything IS fine in the sense that this is really all you should have expected of this team.  Nothing is happening here that wasn't entirely predictable.  Some of you guys had this team winning 60+ which honestly sounded delusional at the time:  http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=59456.msg1296485#msg1296485

I guess that's what happens when you vastly overrate mediocre signings.  We replaced our 4th best player and best shooter with "backup shooting guard by committee" and arguably (according to most people here) the best of those backup shooting guards hasn't even made his season debut.  This roster didn't make sense before the season and doesn't make sense now.  Our 4th best player (Jeff Green) is being paid like a starter and coming off our bench.  Aside from KG, this team is filled with backup level bigs.  This was true before the season and it's true now.  Am I shocked that Collins is starting?... absolutely not. 

We're filled with redundant positions and heading towards a trade deadline where we are desperate to consolidate.  You simply had to look at the roster in August to know that was going to happen.  This seriously shouldn't be surprising to you.   This Boston team was below .500 mid season last year as well until roles were defined (by injury) and Kevin Garnett flipped a switch.  When all is said in done, we might win 45-50 games.  As far as I'm concerned, this season is going exactly like it logically should be going.   Still waiting for us to make a impact trade.  Still crossing my fingers that we catch a break in the playoffs like we did last year.  If everything falls into place, we could potentially make another little run towards the ECF.

I agree that 60 wins looks a bit unrealistic right now, but it's a little early to be posting "I told you so" threads.

Not really.  A couple people had this team winning 65.  That was crazy talk.  This team was and is a 45-50 win team on paper.  Our problem has been size since early 2011.  We haven't been a 60 win since 2009 when we had 4 hall of famers playing reasonably close to their prime. 

Fwiw, I also expected the Lakers to rip through the league and win 70+.  I'm thrilled I was wrong about that ;) ... so far, at least.  They still could turn it on at any point.
Title: Re: Everything is fine. Just played a team hitting everything tonight
Post by: vinnie on December 30, 2012, 05:19:36 PM
I have them with 48 wins. Also, in case you missed it, the title of the thread is sarcastic to the max.
Title: Re: Everything is fine. Just played a team hitting everything tonight
Post by: Celtics18 on December 30, 2012, 06:56:37 PM
Everything IS fine in the sense that this is really all you should have expected of this team.  Nothing is happening here that wasn't entirely predictable.  Some of you guys had this team winning 60+ which honestly sounded delusional at the time:  http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=59456.msg1296485#msg1296485

I guess that's what happens when you vastly overrate mediocre signings.  We replaced our 4th best player and best shooter with "backup shooting guard by committee" and arguably (according to most people here) the best of those backup shooting guards hasn't even made his season debut.  This roster didn't make sense before the season and doesn't make sense now.  Our 4th best player (Jeff Green) is being paid like a starter and coming off our bench.  Aside from KG, this team is filled with backup level bigs.  This was true before the season and it's true now.  Am I shocked that Collins is starting?... absolutely not. 

We're filled with redundant positions and heading towards a trade deadline where we are desperate to consolidate.  You simply had to look at the roster in August to know that was going to happen.  This seriously shouldn't be surprising to you.   This Boston team was below .500 mid season last year as well until roles were defined (by injury) and Kevin Garnett flipped a switch.  When all is said in done, we might win 45-50 games.  As far as I'm concerned, this season is going exactly like it logically should be going.   Still waiting for us to make a impact trade.  Still crossing my fingers that we catch a break in the playoffs like we did last year.  If everything falls into place, we could potentially make another little run towards the ECF.

I agree that 60 wins looks a bit unrealistic right now, but it's a little early to be posting "I told you so" threads.

Not really.  A couple people had this team winning 65.  That was crazy talk.  This team was and is a 45-50 win team on paper.  Our problem has been size since early 2011.  We haven't been a 60 win since 2009 when we had 4 hall of famers playing reasonably close to their prime. 

Fwiw, I also expected the Lakers to rip through the league and win 70+.  I'm thrilled I was wrong about that ;) ... so far, at least.  They still could turn it on at any point.

Nah, it's actually not too early to admit you we're wrong about the Lakers.  The math is pretty simple on that one.  They can't get to 70.
Title: Re: Everything is fine. Just played a team hitting everything tonight
Post by: LarBrd33 on December 30, 2012, 06:58:30 PM
Everything IS fine in the sense that this is really all you should have expected of this team.  Nothing is happening here that wasn't entirely predictable.  Some of you guys had this team winning 60+ which honestly sounded delusional at the time:  http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=59456.msg1296485#msg1296485

I guess that's what happens when you vastly overrate mediocre signings.  We replaced our 4th best player and best shooter with "backup shooting guard by committee" and arguably (according to most people here) the best of those backup shooting guards hasn't even made his season debut.  This roster didn't make sense before the season and doesn't make sense now.  Our 4th best player (Jeff Green) is being paid like a starter and coming off our bench.  Aside from KG, this team is filled with backup level bigs.  This was true before the season and it's true now.  Am I shocked that Collins is starting?... absolutely not. 

We're filled with redundant positions and heading towards a trade deadline where we are desperate to consolidate.  You simply had to look at the roster in August to know that was going to happen.  This seriously shouldn't be surprising to you.   This Boston team was below .500 mid season last year as well until roles were defined (by injury) and Kevin Garnett flipped a switch.  When all is said in done, we might win 45-50 games.  As far as I'm concerned, this season is going exactly like it logically should be going.   Still waiting for us to make a impact trade.  Still crossing my fingers that we catch a break in the playoffs like we did last year.  If everything falls into place, we could potentially make another little run towards the ECF.

I agree that 60 wins looks a bit unrealistic right now, but it's a little early to be posting "I told you so" threads.

Not really.  A couple people had this team winning 65.  That was crazy talk.  This team was and is a 45-50 win team on paper.  Our problem has been size since early 2011.  We haven't been a 60 win since 2009 when we had 4 hall of famers playing reasonably close to their prime. 

Fwiw, I also expected the Lakers to rip through the league and win 70+.  I'm thrilled I was wrong about that ;) ... so far, at least.  They still could turn it on at any point.

Nah, it's actually not too early to admit you we're wrong about the Lakers.  The math is pretty simple on that one.  They can't get to 70.
It's not too early for me to admit I was wrong about the Lakers... which is why I'm admitting I was wrong about the Lakers.  :) ... There is still the possibility they could turn it on at any time and crank out 30 game win streak.  Too much talent if Dwight, Pau and Nash gets healthy.

The Celtics, though... everything is going like clockwork.  Average team on paper is average.
Title: Re: Everything is fine. Just played a team hitting everything tonight
Post by: Celtics18 on December 30, 2012, 07:04:41 PM
Everything IS fine in the sense that this is really all you should have expected of this team.  Nothing is happening here that wasn't entirely predictable.  Some of you guys had this team winning 60+ which honestly sounded delusional at the time:  http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=59456.msg1296485#msg1296485

I guess that's what happens when you vastly overrate mediocre signings.  We replaced our 4th best player and best shooter with "backup shooting guard by committee" and arguably (according to most people here) the best of those backup shooting guards hasn't even made his season debut.  This roster didn't make sense before the season and doesn't make sense now.  Our 4th best player (Jeff Green) is being paid like a starter and coming off our bench.  Aside from KG, this team is filled with backup level bigs.  This was true before the season and it's true now.  Am I shocked that Collins is starting?... absolutely not. 

We're filled with redundant positions and heading towards a trade deadline where we are desperate to consolidate.  You simply had to look at the roster in August to know that was going to happen.  This seriously shouldn't be surprising to you.   This Boston team was below .500 mid season last year as well until roles were defined (by injury) and Kevin Garnett flipped a switch.  When all is said in done, we might win 45-50 games.  As far as I'm concerned, this season is going exactly like it logically should be going.   Still waiting for us to make a impact trade.  Still crossing my fingers that we catch a break in the playoffs like we did last year.  If everything falls into place, we could potentially make another little run towards the ECF.

I agree that 60 wins looks a bit unrealistic right now, but it's a little early to be posting "I told you so" threads.

Not really.  A couple people had this team winning 65.  That was crazy talk.  This team was and is a 45-50 win team on paper.  Our problem has been size since early 2011.  We haven't been a 60 win since 2009 when we had 4 hall of famers playing reasonably close to their prime. 

Fwiw, I also expected the Lakers to rip through the league and win 70+.  I'm thrilled I was wrong about that ;) ... so far, at least.  They still could turn it on at any point.

Nah, it's actually not too early to admit you we're wrong about the Lakers.  The math is pretty simple on that one.  They can't get to 70.
It's not too early for me to admit I was wrong about the Lakers... which is why I'm admitting I was wrong about the Lakers.  :) ... There is still the possibility they could turn it on at any time and crank out 30 game win streak.  Too much talent if Dwight, Pau and Nash gets healthy.

The Celtics, though... everything is going like clockwork.  Average team on paper is average.

I still think that when you have Rajon Rondo, Kevin Garnett, and Paul Pierce on your team, you've got considerably better than average talent.

Time will tell.  I just think it's too early to declare yourself as a soothsayer.
Title: Re: Everything is fine. Just played a team hitting everything tonight
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on December 30, 2012, 07:17:27 PM
Everything IS fine in the sense that this is really all you should have expected of this team.  Nothing is happening here that wasn't entirely predictable.  Some of you guys had this team winning 60+ which honestly sounded delusional at the time:  http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=59456.msg1296485#msg1296485

I guess that's what happens when you vastly overrate mediocre signings.  We replaced our 4th best player and best shooter with "backup shooting guard by committee" and arguably (according to most people here) the best of those backup shooting guards hasn't even made his season debut.  This roster didn't make sense before the season and doesn't make sense now.  Our 4th best player (Jeff Green) is being paid like a starter and coming off our bench.  Aside from KG, this team is filled with backup level bigs.  This was true before the season and it's true now.  Am I shocked that Collins is starting?... absolutely not. 

We're filled with redundant positions and heading towards a trade deadline where we are desperate to consolidate.  You simply had to look at the roster in August to know that was going to happen.  This seriously shouldn't be surprising to you.   This Boston team was below .500 mid season last year as well until roles were defined (by injury) and Kevin Garnett flipped a switch.  When all is said in done, we might win 45-50 games.  As far as I'm concerned, this season is going exactly like it logically should be going.   Still waiting for us to make a impact trade.  Still crossing my fingers that we catch a break in the playoffs like we did last year.  If everything falls into place, we could potentially make another little run towards the ECF.

I agree that 60 wins looks a bit unrealistic right now, but it's a little early to be posting "I told you so" threads.

Not really.  A couple people had this team winning 65.  That was crazy talk.  This team was and is a 45-50 win team on paper.  Our problem has been size since early 2011.  We haven't been a 60 win since 2009 when we had 4 hall of famers playing reasonably close to their prime. 

Fwiw, I also expected the Lakers to rip through the league and win 70+.  I'm thrilled I was wrong about that ;) ... so far, at least.  They still could turn it on at any point.

Nah, it's actually not too early to admit you we're wrong about the Lakers.  The math is pretty simple on that one.  They can't get to 70.
It's not too early for me to admit I was wrong about the Lakers... which is why I'm admitting I was wrong about the Lakers.  :) ... There is still the possibility they could turn it on at any time and crank out 30 game win streak.  Too much talent if Dwight, Pau and Nash gets healthy.

The Celtics, though... everything is going like clockwork.  Average team on paper is average.

I still think that when you have Rajon Rondo, Kevin Garnett, and Paul Pierce on your team, you've got considerably better than average talent.

Time will tell.  I just think it's too early to declare yourself as a soothsayer.

Much of the predictions also hinged on us having an actual back-up center in Darko, that Terry would be coming off the bench, and that Lee would be starting alongside Rondo while Bradley was away, and that Doc would at least do something that at least passed as competent.

None of the above happened. In fact, just the opposite.

Terry is starting giving us an undersized guard position with Rondo, we have no real center on the roster (except Collins who should really be at most our 12/13th player on the depth chart), Lee is coming off the bench despite how good he's been playing during December, and pretty much all of Doc's decisions have been head-scratchers.

And then we have Bass who doesn't seem to be capable of hitting an open jump-shot in the whole season.

I found it funny that Lee struggled early in the season, and Doc panicked and yanked him from the starting unit after just a few games, yet Terry struggles a lot as a starter and Doc stubbornly keeps him there. Makes no sense. It seems like Doc has little patience when he actually makes a good decision, and is stubborn to keep a plan when a bad decision doesn't work...
Title: Re: Everything is fine. Just played a team hitting everything tonight
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on December 30, 2012, 07:19:18 PM
Well, in any event - this team will be fine about a month from now.

The return of Avery Bradley to our lineup/rotation will have immediate positive effects, and I'd even give him a week or two to hit his full stride with conditioning.

Not worried about this team at all - especially since it's not even January, yet.

Admittedly, I didn't expect us to be up and down like this late in December, but it's still way too early to count us out.
Title: Re: Everything is fine. Just played a team hitting everything tonight
Post by: BASS_THUMPER on December 30, 2012, 08:07:16 PM
im not pickin on individual players
but when over half the team is shootin bad and no hustle on d we of course will lose. im more focus on the core..not jus rajon, kg and paul..Bass really gotta turn it on and we know he is capable of..playoffs last year showed me he was legit..and avery is def missed..and jeff..

in many ways Bass, Avery and Jeff are more important that the big 3...sully and lee are doin great..but are 2nd core is bass avery and jeff..we wont get far with out them
Title: Re: Everything is fine. Just played a team hitting everything tonight
Post by: vinnie on December 30, 2012, 11:42:14 PM
Well, in any event - this team will be fine about a month from now.

The return of Avery Bradley to our lineup/rotation will have immediate positive effects, and I'd even give him a week or two to hit his full stride with conditioning.

Not worried about this team at all - especially since it's not even January, yet.

Admittedly, I didn't expect us to be up and down like this late in December, but it's still way too early to count us out.

Yep. Probably win every game once Avery comes back.  ::)
Title: Re: Everything is fine. Just played a team hitting everything tonight
Post by: celticinorlando on December 30, 2012, 11:43:41 PM
We can use this thread every night
Title: Re: Everything is fine. Just played a team hitting everything tonight
Post by: vinnie on December 30, 2012, 11:44:29 PM
We can use this thread every night

That's why I made it --  ;D
Title: Re: Everything is fine. Just played a team hitting everything tonight
Post by: TheBig5 on December 30, 2012, 11:44:53 PM
Just our luck, the Kings were shooting lights out. At least we can all sleep at night knowing that our team gave it their all.
Title: Re: Everything is fine. Just played a team hitting everything tonight
Post by: LEHGOCELTICS on December 30, 2012, 11:46:38 PM
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Everything is fine. Just played a team hitting everything tonight
Post by: CelticsFan9 on December 30, 2012, 11:46:52 PM
This is our worst loss this season.  Not the Detroit blowout, or the collapse against the Bucks, but this one.

We lost to the KINGS!  Yes, that horrible team in Sactown.

I'm stunned at how awful we are right now.  We aren't even mediocre anymore; we're AWFUL.
Title: Re: Everything is fine. Just played a team hitting everything tonight
Post by: KGs Knee on December 30, 2012, 11:47:53 PM
The boys are definitely playing some depressing basketball.  They have no enthusiasm for the game.

This team just looks defeated.  Major personnel changes are going to be necessary if things don't turn around soon.  Problem is, we might end up with pennies on the dollar in returning value from a trade.
Title: Re: Everything is fine. Just played a team hitting everything tonight
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on December 30, 2012, 11:48:19 PM
Well, in any event - this team will be fine about a month from now.

The return of Avery Bradley to our lineup/rotation will have immediate positive effects, and I'd even give him a week or two to hit his full stride with conditioning.

Not worried about this team at all - especially since it's not even January, yet.

Admittedly, I didn't expect us to be up and down like this late in December, but it's still way too early to count us out.

Yep. Probably win every game once Avery comes back.  ::)

Yeah...you got me there, buddy.

Something is wrong with BOS, no doubt.

I'd be a bit more pessimistic if this was happening in March, but still - we haven't had a stretch like this in a few years, I don't think...

Losing stretches are common in sports, but I haven't recalled this current era of Boston Celtics looking like this.

I still believe in this team, though...still too early to give up on them.

But as I posted in the game thread - I truly believe that a change will come - whether that change is AB coming back, or whether it's via a big trade.

Change is coming.

In the meantime, I'll still cheer for them, and believe. There are STILL too many games left. BOS is down right "Now", but not out.
Title: Re: Everything is fine. Just played a team hitting everything tonight
Post by: celticinorlando on December 30, 2012, 11:50:52 PM
This team as constructed now will be a seven seed and not get out of round one. Change has to be drastic because what they have now sucks
Title: Re: Everything is fine. Just played a team hitting everything tonight
Post by: SHAQATTACK on December 30, 2012, 11:53:02 PM
This is our worst loss this season.  Not the Detroit blowout, or the collapse against the Bucks, but this one.

We lost to the KINGS!  Yes, that horrible team in Sactown.

I'm stunned at how awful we are right now.  We aren't even mediocre anymore; we're AWFUL.

Celtics are exposed now...KG is too old to put them on his back anymore.  I feel sorry for him .
Title: Re: Everything is fine. Just played a team hitting everything tonight
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on December 31, 2012, 12:01:34 AM
This is our worst loss this season.  Not the Detroit blowout, or the collapse against the Bucks, but this one.

We lost to the KINGS!  Yes, that horrible team in Sactown.

I'm stunned at how awful we are right now.  We aren't even mediocre anymore; we're AWFUL.

Celtics are exposed now...KG is too old to put them on his back anymore.  I feel sorry for him .

Well, I don't know about that (Bolded):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BUHk-HhHTs

This marvelous game by KG was only 5 months ago.

Kevin Garnett is not done.  We get to the post-season in one piece, and KG can still do things like this.
Title: Re: Everything is fine. Just played a team hitting everything tonight
Post by: vinnie on December 31, 2012, 12:03:59 AM
Worst three game stretch since 1977 is what I believe I heard on the radio tonight. 1977. They'll be fine though. Just like last year.