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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: lightspeed5 on December 29, 2012, 03:26:07 AM
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According to Marc Stein, The Celtics and Pistons have both let the Kings know they are "extremely interested" in Demarcus Cousins "if and when he becomes available."
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/225274/Sources_Celtics_Pistons_Extremely_Interested_In_Cousins
NESN thinks the starting price would have to start with Avery bradley :-\ http://nesn.com/2012/12/demarcus-cousins-trade-would-make-sense-for-celtics-but-asking-price-likely-starts-with-avery-bradley-podcast/
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Do it if it meant keeping at least Lee, I probably wouldnt mind.
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Do it if it meant keeping at least Lee, I probably wouldnt mind.
yeah... Lee with a more defined role would be fine. I still feel like he's the best overall shooting guard on this team. That said, I still think I'd rather start PIerce at SG and Jeff Green at SF... bring whatever leftover guards we have off the bench.
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Do it if it meant keeping at least Lee, I probably wouldnt mind.
yeah... Lee with a more defined role would be fine. I still feel like he's the best overall shooting guard on this team. That said, I still think I'd rather start PIerce at SG and Jeff Green at SF... bring whatever leftover guards we have off the bench.
They would probably want Green too, no? Is it worth it then?
Danny is already working the phones as expected though
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Do it if it meant keeping at least Lee, I probably wouldnt mind.
yeah... Lee with a more defined role would be fine. I still feel like he's the best overall shooting guard on this team. That said, I still think I'd rather start PIerce at SG and Jeff Green at SF... bring whatever leftover guards we have off the bench.
They would probably want Green too, no? Is it worth it then?
Danny is already working the phones as expected though
at this point, it'd be like getting rid of green's contract.
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They would probably ask for both bradley and sullinger.
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As much as I would love to keep Bradley, if this deal was a possibility, I think I would have to do it. Lee is a solid defender also and at least has legit SG size. I would do the Bradley, Sully, and Melo deal for Cousins. Or Sully, Melo, Joseph and two 1st round picks if we can keep Bradley. Just like any business, you have to give something to get something.
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As much as I would love to keep Bradley, if this deal was a possibility, I think I would have to do it. Lee is a solid defender also and at least has legit SG size. I would do the Bradley, Sully, and Melo deal for Cousins. Or Sully, Melo, Joseph and two 1st round picks if we can keep Bradley. Just like any business, you have to give something to get something.
Yes i agree with you. I would attack all angles before giving up bradley tho. First, i wanna see how we perform once he comes back. If he comes back like last year and we go on a 10 game winning streak and have the best defense in the league again......kinda hard to give that up.
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If the package from the Kings includes cousins and Evans, it's worth the c's giving up anybody outside of the big 3 to make it happen. Ideally, the c's could keep either Sully or Bradley, but if that can't be done so be it. After the trade, the starting 5 will be set and the bench will have 3-4 solid players regardless.
Do it Danny!
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If the package from the Kings includes cousins and Evans, it's worth the c's giving up anybody outside of the big 3 to make it happen. Ideally, the c's could keep either Sully or Bradley, but if that can't be done so be it. After the trade, the starting 5 will be set and the bench will have 3-4 solid players regardless.
Do it Danny!
No way we can land both Cousins and Evans, unless you're willing to give up Rondo
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As much as I would love to keep Bradley, if this deal was a possibility, I think I would have to do it. Lee is a solid defender also and at least has legit SG size. I would do the Bradley, Sully, and Melo deal for Cousins. Or Sully, Melo, Joseph and two 1st round picks if we can keep Bradley. Just like any business, you have to give something to get something.
Yes i agree with you. I would attack all angles before giving up bradley tho. First, i wanna see how we perform once he comes back. If he comes back like last year and we go on a 10 game winning streak and have the best defense in the league again......kinda hard to give that up.
Yeah, I definitely would like to see how Bradley performs when he comes back and it's going to sting pretty bad if we have to lose him.
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If the package from the Kings includes cousins and Evans, it's worth the c's giving up anybody outside of the big 3 to make it happen. Ideally, the c's could keep either Sully or Bradley, but if that can't be done so be it. After the trade, the starting 5 will be set and the bench will have 3-4 solid players regardless.
Do it Danny!
No way we can land both Cousins and Evans, unless you're willing to give up Rondo
Agreed.
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Being interested and having something to offer are two extremely different things.
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Being interested and having something to offer are two extremely different things.
How so being interested means you're willing to offer something and outside of KG/Pierce Danny is probably dangling everybody or will be soon
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Being interested and having something to offer are two extremely different things.
How so being interested means you're willing to offer something and outside of KG/Pierce Danny is probably dangling everybody or will be soon
Rondo is the only player on the Celtics roster good enough to tempt Sacramento into parting with DeMarcus Cousins.
The Celtics cannot make any other viable trade package.
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Being interested and having something to offer are two extremely different things.
I think the Celtics can put together a decent package for Cousins. We actually have some decent tradable assets now.
I don't think Cousins is quite as available as the media is saying, though. He's a 22-year-old player who regularly shows signs of dominance at a position of scarce quality around the league. His value is also at its lowest after the recent suspension. Moving him now would just be bad business.
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Being interested and having something to offer are two extremely different things.
the first rumors involved the celtics having the highest bid for cousins.
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Being interested and having something to offer are two extremely different things.
the first rumors involved the celtics having the highest bid for cousins.
Which means Sacramento won't trade Cousins because there are no worthwhile offers on the table.
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I read something about a Detroit package around Monroe. I'd say Detroit could offer a better package than us right now. Who knows if they would. Monroe is playing so well I'm not sure they offer him up for a question mark in Cousins.
I also think that if we can get Cousins without moving Rondo we have to do it. The future is something that has to be considered. Bradley is really great, I love his energy and his defense. Cousins is a 22 year old center who will be a force in this league for the next decade.
I think we should trade whatever we need to trade outside of Rondo for Cousins. Period.
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I would not trade Monroe for him if I was Detroit. Monroe is productive and not a head case. Why would they want DMC over Monroe?
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Speaking of Cousins was reading an article from the Herald and saw this video. Hilarious interview watch him turn around and mean mug the media can Doc handle him?!? Lol
http://widget.newsinc.com/_mob/16x9/player.html?CID=11286&WID=15001&VID=24079318&freewheel=90017&sitesection=bostonherald_spt_nba_sec&external_url=http://bostonherald.com/sports/celtics_nba/boston_celtics/2012/12/doc_rivers_kevin_garnett_call_more_consistency
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Being interested and having something to offer are two extremely different things.
How so being interested means you're willing to offer something and outside of KG/Pierce Danny is probably dangling everybody or will be soon
Rondo is the only player on the Celtics roster good enough to tempt Sacramento into parting with DeMarcus Cousins.
The Celtics cannot make any other viable trade package.
You absolutely love to be the "Know it all" don't you. Every time i read something from you its something about how you just KNOW something is true. No ifs ands or buts about it. Even tho you don't have the slightest clue and your OPINION is no better than anyones else's.
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Being interested and having something to offer are two extremely different things.
How so being interested means you're willing to offer something and outside of KG/Pierce Danny is probably dangling everybody or will be soon
Rondo is the only player on the Celtics roster good enough to tempt Sacramento into parting with DeMarcus Cousins.
The Celtics cannot make any other viable trade package.
Im not implying that a trade could happen, but I do think you are overrating cousins.
If cousins had rondo's worth and impact, his team wouldn't be sucking so consistently during his presence. He has immense talent and the right system could nurture him to be a very good player, but I dont think he'll ever be the dominant force some on here say he is.
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Being interested and having something to offer are two extremely different things.
How so being interested means you're willing to offer something and outside of KG/Pierce Danny is probably dangling everybody or will be soon
Rondo is the only player on the Celtics roster good enough to tempt Sacramento into parting with DeMarcus Cousins.
The Celtics cannot make any other viable trade package.
Im not implying that a trade could happen, but I do think you are overrating cousins.
If cousins had rondo's worth and impact, his team wouldn't be sucking so consistently during his presence. He has immense talent and the right system could nurture him to be a very good player, but I dont think he'll ever be the dominant force some on here say he is.
It's not Cousins' current ability. It's his potential.
You don't give up a guy like that who can be a franchise cornerstone for what Boston has to offer (outside of Rondo). Rondo is the only guy with enough value on the Celtics to make moving Cousins worthwhile for Sacramento.
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Detriot has the edge if they are willing to part with expiring contract Maggette and take on Garcia.
Pistons get: Cousins, Garcia
Kings get: Correy Maggette, Drummond and a Piston 2013 1st rounder
The Celtics couldn't comnpete with that offer.
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They would probably ask for both bradley and sullinger.
If it means landing DeMarcus, throw in a 1st rounder or two with that.
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They would probably ask for both bradley and sullinger.
If it means landing DeMarcus, throw in a 1st rounder or two with that.
Yeah id probably do that deal. I'm 60/40 on it. Gotta see how AB preforms when he comes back. Can the team straighten him out? Is he worth the headache?
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Detriot has the edge if they are willing to part with expiring contract Maggette and take on Garcia.
Pistons get: Cousins, Garcia
Kings get: Correy Maggette, Drummond and a Piston 2013 1st rounder
The Celtics couldn't comnpete with that offer.
The 2013 Piston's pick (top14 protected) plus Ben Gordon was traded to CHA for Corey Maggette.
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Being interested and having something to offer are two extremely different things.
How so being interested means you're willing to offer something and outside of KG/Pierce Danny is probably dangling everybody or will be soon
Rondo is the only player on the Celtics roster good enough to tempt Sacramento into parting with DeMarcus Cousins.
The Celtics cannot make any other viable trade package.
Im not implying that a trade could happen, but I do think you are overrating cousins.
If cousins had rondo's worth and impact, his team wouldn't be sucking so consistently during his presence. He has immense talent and the right system could nurture him to be a very good player, but I dont think he'll ever be the dominant force some on here say he is.
It's not Cousins' current ability. It's his potential.
You don't give up a guy like that who can be a franchise cornerstone for what Boston has to offer (outside of Rondo). Rondo is the only guy with enough value on the Celtics to make moving Cousins worthwhile for Sacramento.
What makes you think cousins will be a franchise cornerstone?
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Detriot has the edge if they are willing to part with expiring contract Maggette and take on Garcia.
Pistons get: Cousins, Garcia
Kings get: Correy Maggette, Drummond and a Piston 2013 1st rounder
The Celtics couldn't comnpete with that offer.
The 2013 Piston's pick (top14 protected) plus Ben Gordon was traded to CHA for Corey Maggette.
10-4, good to know. a 1st rounder with that package is a little overkill anyway. Drummond (though a horrific ft shooter at the moment) should be high end enough of a prospect to get it done.
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Detriot has the edge if they are willing to part with expiring contract Maggette and take on Garcia.
Pistons get: Cousins, Garcia
Kings get: Correy Maggette, Drummond and a Piston 2013 1st rounder
The Celtics couldn't comnpete with that offer.
The 2013 Piston's pick (top14 protected) plus Ben Gordon was traded to CHA for Corey Maggette.
10-4, good to know. a 1st rounder with that package is a little overkill anyway. Drummond (though a horrific ft shooter at the moment) should be high end enough of a prospect to get it done.
The pistons aren't giving up Drummond. Especially not on a risk like cousins.
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They would probably ask for both bradley and sullinger.
If it means landing DeMarcus, throw in a 1st rounder or two with that.
Yeah id probably do that deal. I'm 60/40 on it. Gotta see how AB preforms when he comes back. Can the team straighten him out? Is he worth the headache?
I believe he'll be okay. He'll be in a much better situation in Boston. A bigger market team, tradition and stuff. He'll get his shots, which will make him happy. Sure the immature antics will be there, but I believe there will be no coach fighting with DMC in Boston. Winning will change everything.
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Being interested and having something to offer are two extremely different things.
How so being interested means you're willing to offer something and outside of KG/Pierce Danny is probably dangling everybody or will be soon
Rondo is the only player on the Celtics roster good enough to tempt Sacramento into parting with DeMarcus Cousins.
The Celtics cannot make any other viable trade package.
Im not implying that a trade could happen, but I do think you are overrating cousins.
If cousins had rondo's worth and impact, his team wouldn't be sucking so consistently during his presence. He has immense talent and the right system could nurture him to be a very good player, but I dont think he'll ever be the dominant force some on here say he is.
It's not Cousins' current ability. It's his potential.
You don't give up a guy like that who can be a franchise cornerstone for what Boston has to offer (outside of Rondo). Rondo is the only guy with enough value on the Celtics to make moving Cousins worthwhile for Sacramento.
What makes you think cousins will be a franchise cornerstone?
Cousins has the potential to become one.
I'd say he is very likely to be a 20/10 player and a perennial All-Star (like Zach Randolph) with the capacity to go a step further and establish himself as a top ten NBA player.
I also think Cousins can be a plus defensive player with more time and work. He has very good passing skills too. A very strong all-around game in addition to his scoring skills and excellent rebounding. He has a lot of talent.
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They would probably ask for both bradley and sullinger.
If it means landing DeMarcus, throw in a 1st rounder or two with that.
Disagree with this and with Who. the celtics are in title mode and can't give up 2 smart contributors for one guy,,even a center. The celtics are coasting now, not desperate at all. sully and Bradley are 2 future high quality starters. Bradley's defense and energy are crucial. cousins can't stop the wade Lebron duo. Bradley can stop and frustrate wade, leaving others to deal with Lebron. Bradley's not a star yet but he brings precisely what the celtics lack.
if the celts want cousins, trade Sully, green and a 1st and 2cnd to Detroit. Detroit sends Monroe to Sac. Sac sends cousins to Boston. Add picks and salary where necessary, like a future pick(s) to Sac. They might take Monroe straight up to end their headache. and Drummond sully green is a nice front court for Detroit, with a decent player from Boston's first rounder. Celtics take back/hire a SF or promote Joseph.
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Being interested and having something to offer are two extremely different things.
How so being interested means you're willing to offer something and outside of KG/Pierce Danny is probably dangling everybody or will be soon
Rondo is the only player on the Celtics roster good enough to tempt Sacramento into parting with DeMarcus Cousins.
The Celtics cannot make any other viable trade package.
Im not implying that a trade could happen, but I do think you are overrating cousins.
If cousins had rondo's worth and impact, his team wouldn't be sucking so consistently during his presence. He has immense talent and the right system could nurture him to be a very good player, but I dont think he'll ever be the dominant force some on here say he is.
It's not Cousins' current ability. It's his potential.
You don't give up a guy like that who can be a franchise cornerstone for what Boston has to offer (outside of Rondo). Rondo is the only guy with enough value on the Celtics to make moving Cousins worthwhile for Sacramento.
What makes you think cousins will be a franchise cornerstone?
Cousins has the potential to become one.
I'd say he is very likely to be a 20/10 player and a perennial All-Star (like Zach Randolph) with the capacity to go a step further and establish himself as a top ten NBA player.
I also think Cousins can be a plus defensive player with more time and work. He has very good passing skills too. A very strong all-around game in addition to his scoring skills and excellent rebounding. He has a lot of talent.
There has been nothing to show anyone that cousins could be a top 10 NBA Player.
Cousins is strong on the block and has very good hands and ball handling abilities for a guy his size. He is also a good rebounder when he puts his mind to it.
These things said defensively he is a shambles and extremely lazy, often undoing his good offensive play by letting his man get easy hoops on the other end.
Lazy stupid guys don't become top 10 nba players on talent alone. Demarcus has shown immense stupidity when dealing with officials, coaches, and teammates already, and he's only 22. He hasn't even got his contract to be arrogant about yet. The celtics and pistons will not be offering Dwight Howard/Carmelo style loot for cousins and nor should they.
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Being interested and having something to offer are two extremely different things.
How so being interested means you're willing to offer something and outside of KG/Pierce Danny is probably dangling everybody or will be soon
Rondo is the only player on the Celtics roster good enough to tempt Sacramento into parting with DeMarcus Cousins.
The Celtics cannot make any other viable trade package.
Im not implying that a trade could happen, but I do think you are overrating cousins.
If cousins had rondo's worth and impact, his team wouldn't be sucking so consistently during his presence. He has immense talent and the right system could nurture him to be a very good player, but I dont think he'll ever be the dominant force some on here say he is.
It's not Cousins' current ability. It's his potential.
You don't give up a guy like that who can be a franchise cornerstone for what Boston has to offer (outside of Rondo). Rondo is the only guy with enough value on the Celtics to make moving Cousins worthwhile for Sacramento.
What makes you think cousins will be a franchise cornerstone?
Cousins has the potential to become one.
I'd say he is very likely to be a 20/10 player and a perennial All-Star (like Zach Randolph) with the capacity to go a step further and establish himself as a top ten NBA player.
I also think Cousins can be a plus defensive player with more time and work. He has very good passing skills too. A very strong all-around game in addition to his scoring skills and excellent rebounding. He has a lot of talent.
There has been nothing to show anyone that cousins could be a top 10 NBA Player.
Cousins is strong on the block and has very good hands and ball handling abilities for a guy his size. He is also a good rebounder when he puts his mind to it.
These things said defensively he is a shambles and extremely lazy, often undoing his good offensive play by letting his man get easy hoops on the other end.
Lazy stupid guys don't become top 10 nba players on talent alone. Demarcus has shown immense stupidity when dealing with officials, coaches, and teammates already, and he's only 22. He hasn't even got his contract to be arrogant about yet. The celtics and pistons will not be offering Dwight Howard/Carmelo style loot for cousins and nor should they.
Agree. There are considerations other than talent.
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Being interested and having something to offer are two extremely different things.
How so being interested means you're willing to offer something and outside of KG/Pierce Danny is probably dangling everybody or will be soon
Rondo is the only player on the Celtics roster good enough to tempt Sacramento into parting with DeMarcus Cousins.
The Celtics cannot make any other viable trade package.
Sacramento won't get a player of Rondo's caliber for Cousins at this point. I would have been more likely to agree with you last year.
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Being interested and having something to offer are two extremely different things.
How so being interested means you're willing to offer something and outside of KG/Pierce Danny is probably dangling everybody or will be soon
Rondo is the only player on the Celtics roster good enough to tempt Sacramento into parting with DeMarcus Cousins.
The Celtics cannot make any other viable trade package.
Sacramento won't get a player of Rondo's caliber for Cousins at this point. I would have been more likely to agree with you last year.
I agree
It's not that it will take a player of Rondo's ability to land Cousins. It wouldn't. Sacramento won't get offers of that level for Cousins.
It's that Boston lacks assets of comparable value to Cousins. That outside of Rondo, they can't make an offer that is worthwhile for the Kings organization.
The Celtics have one excellent asset in Rondo. Then a bunch of old guys (Pierce, Garnett, Terry) coming towards the end of their career. A bunch of role players (Bass, Green, Lee) on long term deals. One good young talent in Bradley (maybe two depending on specific team's view of J.Green) and a pair of solid assets in Sully in Fab Melo.
It's that Boston lacks the assets to make a realistic offer for Cousins with it's non-Rondo assets. The team just doesn't have the talent (or proven talent if you like) to make an acceptable trade offer. That Boston's only way to get Cousins at this point in time would be to make Rondo available.
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They would probably ask for both bradley and sullinger.
If it means landing DeMarcus, throw in a 1st rounder or two with that.
Disagree with this and with Who. the celtics are in title mode and can't give up 2 smart contributors for one guy,,even a center. The celtics are coasting now, not desperate at all. sully and Bradley are 2 future high quality starters. Bradley's defense and energy are crucial. cousins can't stop the wade Lebron duo. Bradley can stop and frustrate wade, leaving others to deal with Lebron. Bradley's not a star yet but he brings precisely what the celtics lack.
if the celts want cousins, trade Sully, green and a 1st and 2cnd to Detroit. Detroit sends Monroe to Sac. Sac sends cousins to Boston. Add picks and salary where necessary, like a future pick(s) to Sac. They might take Monroe straight up to end their headache. and Drummond sully green is a nice front court for Detroit, with a decent player from Boston's first rounder. Celtics take back/hire a SF or promote Joseph.
If Detroit would trade Monroe for that package we should just cut out Sac all together and get Monroe.
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Idk how true this is but apparently as of now the only 3 players the kings would have interest in from us are sullinger Melo bradley. Kings would likely ask for all 3 and danny would likely negotiate and do 2 out of 3. Rather the kings accept who knows. Id give up sullinger and fab melo preferably and keep bradley if possible.
http://www.celticslife.com/2012/12/espn-reporting-celtics-highly.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
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They would probably ask for both bradley and sullinger.
If it means landing DeMarcus, throw in a 1st rounder or two with that.
Disagree with this and with Who. the celtics are in title mode and can't give up 2 smart contributors for one guy,,even a center. The celtics are coasting now, not desperate at all. sully and Bradley are 2 future high quality starters. Bradley's defense and energy are crucial. cousins can't stop the wade Lebron duo. Bradley can stop and frustrate wade, leaving others to deal with Lebron. Bradley's not a star yet but he brings precisely what the celtics lack.
if the celts want cousins, trade Sully, green and a 1st and 2cnd to Detroit. Detroit sends Monroe to Sac. Sac sends cousins to Boston. Add picks and salary where necessary, like a future pick(s) to Sac. They might take Monroe straight up to end their headache. and Drummond sully green is a nice front court for Detroit, with a decent player from Boston's first rounder. Celtics take back/hire a SF or promote Joseph.
If Detroit would trade Monroe for that package we should just cut out Sac all together and get Monroe.
I would. But the truth is I don't know enough about either of these young centers, and was going off the Celt's rumored interest in Cousins and that he may be considered to have the higher ceiling and could be contained/directed by the celts vets. Wouldn't be surprised if the celts like Monroe too,but don't know.
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Being interested and having something to offer are two extremely different things.
TP
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Being interested and having something to offer are two extremely different things.
How so being interested means you're willing to offer something and outside of KG/Pierce Danny is probably dangling everybody or will be soon
Rondo is the only player on the Celtics roster good enough to tempt Sacramento into parting with DeMarcus Cousins.
The Celtics cannot make any other viable trade package.
Disagree. The Cs have a number of assets that would be attractive to Petrie -- both young players and vets. I'd assume they'd want Bradley, though I don't see Danny trading him.
Id imagine the veteran piece would be either Terry or Green, along with youth in Sully AND Melo. This would be a competitive offer, especially if the Cs would take back a bad contract like Outlaw, Chuck or Salmons.
The Kings are not going to get back a player of equal ability to Cousins, they're going to get pieces -- as is typically the case when you decide to dump a highly talented by unhappy player.
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MAKE THIS HAPPEN!
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Being interested and having something to offer are two extremely different things.
How so being interested means you're willing to offer something and outside of KG/Pierce Danny is probably dangling everybody or will be soon
Rondo is the only player on the Celtics roster good enough to tempt Sacramento into parting with DeMarcus Cousins.
The Celtics cannot make any other viable trade package.
Disagree. The Cs have a number of assets that would be attractive to Petrie -- both young players and vets. I'd assume they'd want Bradley, though I don't see Danny trading him.
Id imagine the veteran piece would be either Terry or Green, along with youth in Sully AND Melo. This would be a competitive offer, especially if the Cs would take back a bad contract like Outlaw, Chuck or Salmons.
The Kings are not going to get back a player of equal ability to Cousins, they're going to get pieces -- as is typically the case when you decide to dump a highly talented by unhappy player.
Exactly I agree, boston definitely has pieces that the kings would want. Realistically speaking the kings know that can't go around asking for guys like rondo for a guy like cousins. Sully Melo And avery bradley and picks is a very attractive package.
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Being interested and having something to offer are two extremely different things.
How so being interested means you're willing to offer something and outside of KG/Pierce Danny is probably dangling everybody or will be soon
Rondo is the only player on the Celtics roster good enough to tempt Sacramento into parting with DeMarcus Cousins.
The Celtics cannot make any other viable trade package.
Sacramento won't get a player of Rondo's caliber for Cousins at this point. I would have been more likely to agree with you last year.
I agree
It's not that it will take a player of Rondo's ability to land Cousins. It wouldn't. Sacramento won't get offers of that level for Cousins.
It's that Boston lacks assets of comparable value to Cousins. That outside of Rondo, they can't make an offer that is worthwhile for the Kings organization.
The Celtics have one excellent asset in Rondo. Then a bunch of old guys (Pierce, Garnett, Terry) coming towards the end of their career. A bunch of role players (Bass, Green, Lee) on long term deals. One good young talent in Bradley (maybe two depending on specific team's view of J.Green) and a pair of solid assets in Sully in Fab Melo.
It's that Boston lacks the assets to make a realistic offer for Cousins with it's non-Rondo assets. The team just doesn't have the talent (or proven talent if you like) to make an acceptable trade offer. That Boston's only way to get Cousins at this point in time would be to make Rondo available.
i think Who is spot on with his analysis. Basically, the only guys we have of real value (not including kg and pp) are rondo, Avery, sully, and fab. If we're not including rondo, then the offer starts with ALL of the other three. Talent-wise, that may not be enough to tempt sac. The wildcard is cousins' attitude issues and how much that decreases his value.
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Detriot has the edge if they are willing to part with expiring contract Maggette and take on Garcia.
Pistons get: Cousins, Garcia
Kings get: Correy Maggette, Drummond and a Piston 2013 1st rounder
The Celtics couldn't comnpete with that offer.
I can't see Pistons giving up on Drummond. He has an incredible ceiling. His numbers through the little playing time he gets is really encouraging.
Only good thing about that deal for them is dumping Maggette's salary.
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Being interested and having something to offer are two extremely different things.
How so being interested means you're willing to offer something and outside of KG/Pierce Danny is probably dangling everybody or will be soon
Rondo is the only player on the Celtics roster good enough to tempt Sacramento into parting with DeMarcus Cousins.
The Celtics cannot make any other viable trade package.
Sacramento won't get a player of Rondo's caliber for Cousins at this point. I would have been more likely to agree with you last year.
I agree
It's not that it will take a player of Rondo's ability to land Cousins. It wouldn't. Sacramento won't get offers of that level for Cousins.
It's that Boston lacks assets of comparable value to Cousins. That outside of Rondo, they can't make an offer that is worthwhile for the Kings organization.
The Celtics have one excellent asset in Rondo. Then a bunch of old guys (Pierce, Garnett, Terry) coming towards the end of their career. A bunch of role players (Bass, Green, Lee) on long term deals. One good young talent in Bradley (maybe two depending on specific team's view of J.Green) and a pair of solid assets in Sully in Fab Melo.
It's that Boston lacks the assets to make a realistic offer for Cousins with it's non-Rondo assets. The team just doesn't have the talent (or proven talent if you like) to make an acceptable trade offer. That Boston's only way to get Cousins at this point in time would be to make Rondo available.
i think Who is spot on with his analysis. Basically, the only guys we have of real value (not including kg and pp) are rondo, Avery, sully, and fab. If we're not including rondo, then the offer starts with ALL of the other three. Talent-wise, that may not be enough to tempt sac. The wildcard is cousins' attitude issues and how much that decreases his value.
Its debatable that cousins isn't worth all 3 of those guys all things considered. Hes definitely not worth anymore than those guys.
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Being interested and having something to offer are two extremely different things.
How so being interested means you're willing to offer something and outside of KG/Pierce Danny is probably dangling everybody or will be soon
Rondo is the only player on the Celtics roster good enough to tempt Sacramento into parting with DeMarcus Cousins.
The Celtics cannot make any other viable trade package.
Sacramento won't get a player of Rondo's caliber for Cousins at this point. I would have been more likely to agree with you last year.
I agree
It's not that it will take a player of Rondo's ability to land Cousins. It wouldn't. Sacramento won't get offers of that level for Cousins.
It's that Boston lacks assets of comparable value to Cousins. That outside of Rondo, they can't make an offer that is worthwhile for the Kings organization.
The Celtics have one excellent asset in Rondo. Then a bunch of old guys (Pierce, Garnett, Terry) coming towards the end of their career. A bunch of role players (Bass, Green, Lee) on long term deals. One good young talent in Bradley (maybe two depending on specific team's view of J.Green) and a pair of solid assets in Sully in Fab Melo.
It's that Boston lacks the assets to make a realistic offer for Cousins with it's non-Rondo assets. The team just doesn't have the talent (or proven talent if you like) to make an acceptable trade offer. That Boston's only way to get Cousins at this point in time would be to make Rondo available.
Have to disagree with this though. We landed KG for Al Jefferson and a bunch of spare parts. KG was much older, granted, but he was also an MVP and borderline Hall-of-Famer.
Sacramento might be in a more difficult situation than Minny was when they dealt KG. I know we don't have McHale dealing on the other side but Sac's GM is not is a good spot right now. Cousins is a big problem for them. If they can get rid of him for a decent group of young players and some draft picks, why not do it?
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Detriot has the edge if they are willing to part with expiring contract Maggette and take on Garcia.
Pistons get: Cousins, Garcia
Kings get: Correy Maggette, Drummond and a Piston 2013 1st rounder
The Celtics couldn't comnpete with that offer.
Isn't Garcia also an expiring deal (team option)?
I'd rather have good-guy Garcia than malcontent Corey Maggette.
John Salmons has one more year of bad salary, but then has a minimally-guaranteed third year.
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Would you do something like this?
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=btvqe6e
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Would you do something like this?
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=btvqe6e
No, and neither would Sacramento. What does Pierce + two low-end prospects do for them?
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Detriot has the edge if they are willing to part with expiring contract Maggette and take on Garcia.
Pistons get: Cousins, Garcia
Kings get: Correy Maggette, Drummond and a Piston 2013 1st rounder
The Celtics couldn't comnpete with that offer.
Isn't Garcia also an expiring deal (team option)?
I'd rather have good-guy Garcia than malcontent Corey Maggette.
John Salmons has one more year of bad salary, but then has a minimally-guaranteed third year.
Some time over the summer, Shamsports changed Garcia's contract status for next year from player option to team option. Not sure which is correct.
Meanwhile, I think the question of whether Petrie may want veterans in trade is legit. Very hard to get good players to go to SAC in FA. The Cs can put together an interesting mix of rotation guys and young talent, albeit I'd assume Drummond is more attractive than Melo.
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Would you do something like this?
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=btvqe6e
No, and neither would Sacramento. What does Pierce + two low-end prospects do for them?
I read somewhere they were asking for a veteran player
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Would you do something like this?
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=btvqe6e
No, and neither would Sacramento. What does Pierce + two low-end prospects do for them?
I read somewhere they were asking for a veteran player
I haven't read that report, but my guess is that by "veteran" they mean somebody who has been in the league for a few years and has established themselves, rather than 35 year old on his way out of the league in the next couple of years.
I think that Pierce would refuse to report to Sacramento if he was ever traded there
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Would you do something like this?
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=btvqe6e
No, and neither would Sacramento. What does Pierce + two low-end prospects do for them?
I read somewhere they were asking for a veteran player
I haven't read that report, but my guess is that by "veteran" they mean somebody who has been in the league for a few years and has established themselves, rather than 35 year old on his way out of the league in the next couple of years.
I think that Pierce would refuse to report to Sacramento if he was ever traded there
From Stein
There’s a growing sense among potential suitors that under-fire Kings general manager Geoff Petrie, who has overseen zero trips to the playoffs under five coaches in the six-plus seasons since Rick Adelman left town, would be willing to move Cousins, preferably in exchange for a dependable veteran of quality or two who could bring some instant improvement to a franchise stuck in lottery land and still plagued by an uncertain future in terms of where this team will be calling home in the long term….
Anyway you're right: Pierce would certainly refuse
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I don't see us trading any veterans because we don't have any expiring contracts that the Kings would want. I don't see the Kings wanting to take back contracts like Bass, Lee, Green or Terry while giving up DeMarcus Cousins in the process.
Also, I don't see Detroit trading either Drummond or Monroe for Cousins and I honestly believe they are best off by staying pat. Cousins would be in virtually the same situation in Detroit as he would be in Sacramento.
I think the best offer we can make is Bradley, Sullinger, Melo and a 2013 1st for DeMarcus Cousins. If Sacramento is insistent on us taking back a bad contract, something like this would work: http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=crmgoo6
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Would you do something like this?
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=btvqe6e
No, and neither would Sacramento. What does Pierce + two low-end prospects do for them?
I read somewhere they were asking for a veteran player
I haven't read that report, but my guess is that by "veteran" they mean somebody who has been in the league for a few years and has established themselves, rather than 35 year old on his way out of the league in the next couple of years.
I think that Pierce would refuse to report to Sacramento if he was ever traded there
Yeah, like someone who is in that 24-27 year old bracket (rather than a 35 year old).
Someone who has established themselves as a star but is still young enough for the team to build around for the next 5-8 years. To build a title contender around.
Edit: Like when Sacramento acquired Chris Webber. He was 25 years old then. They are looking for something like that. Someone who can turn around the team and get them back to winning ways immediately but still be young enough to build around long term.
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Yeah, like someone who is in that 24-27 year old bracket (rather than a 35 year old).
Someone who has established themselves as a star but is still young enough for the team to build around for the next 5-8 years. To build a title contender around.
Batum + Leonard
for
Cousins + (Thornton / Tyreke)
I can't tell if that deal is about even, or wildly unbalanced.
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Would you do something like this?
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=btvqe6e
No, and neither would Sacramento. What does Pierce + two low-end prospects do for them?
I read somewhere they were asking for a veteran player
I haven't read that report, but my guess is that by "veteran" they mean somebody who has been in the league for a few years and has established themselves, rather than 35 year old on his way out of the league in the next couple of years.
I think that Pierce would refuse to report to Sacramento if he was ever traded there
Yeah, like someone who is in that 24-27 year old bracket (rather than a 35 year old).
Someone who has established themselves as a star but is still young enough for the team to build around for the next 5-8 years. To build a title contender around.
Edit: Like when Sacramento acquired Chris Webber. He was 25 years old then. They are looking for something like that. Someone who can turn around the team and get them back to winning ways immediately but still be young enough to build around long term.
Hey! Courtney Lee and Brandon Bass fits the bill! ;D
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Jeez, I go to sleep for a few hours and you guys compile a 4-page thread on a top trade prospect.
I guess I better get to reading.
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Would you do something like this?
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=btvqe6e
No, and neither would Sacramento. What does Pierce + two low-end prospects do for them?
I read somewhere they were asking for a veteran player
I haven't read that report, but my guess is that by "veteran" they mean somebody who has been in the league for a few years and has established themselves, rather than 35 year old on his way out of the league in the next couple of years.
I think that Pierce would refuse to report to Sacramento if he was ever traded there
Yeah, like someone who is in that 24-27 year old bracket (rather than a 35 year old).
Someone who has established themselves as a star but is still young enough for the team to build around for the next 5-8 years. To build a title contender around.
Edit: Like when Sacramento acquired Chris Webber. He was 25 years old then. They are looking for something like that. Someone who can turn around the team and get them back to winning ways immediately but still be young enough to build around long term.
Hey! Courtney Lee and Brandon Bass fits the bill! ;D
lol yeah, we wish.
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Yeah, like someone who is in that 24-27 year old bracket (rather than a 35 year old).
Someone who has established themselves as a star but is still young enough for the team to build around for the next 5-8 years. To build a title contender around.
Batum + Leonard
for
Cousins + (Thornton / Tyreke)
I can't tell if that deal is about even, or wildly unbalanced.
I think that is a steal for Portland but that is only because I am still not really sold on Nic Batum as a star player. So maybe I am undervaluing it.
I'd love to see Cousins + L.Aldridge together. I think they'd be a great combination. Oh, and Lillard too. Fantastic trio to build their squad around. Portland should pursue that strongly.
Maybe Portland could include their 1st round pick too if they needed too. That should be a lottery selection. Weak draft class may hurt that pick's value though. Maybe another smaller asset also.
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Anyone else concerned that Cousins is only shooting 41% this year?(21st among centers) and 43% for his career?
For comparison to centers that are similar talent level
Al Jefferson - 49% career fgs
Marc Gasol - 52% career fgs
Brooke Lopez - 50% career fgs
Al Hordord - 54% career fgs
A Varajeo - 51% career fg's(48%this year bigger role)
Marcin Gortat- 55% career fgs(53% this year)
Add to it that Cousins isn't really a rim protector and has a really crappy attitude.
If we are really in the win now mode I would rather have Varajeo or Gortat and they likely wouldn't demand as much back in return as Sacramento would for cousins.
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Would you do something like this?
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=btvqe6e
No, and neither would Sacramento. What does Pierce + two low-end prospects do for them?
I read somewhere they were asking for a veteran player
I haven't read that report, but my guess is that by "veteran" they mean somebody who has been in the league for a few years and has established themselves, rather than 35 year old on his way out of the league in the next couple of years.
I think that Pierce would refuse to report to Sacramento if he was ever traded there
From Stein
There’s a growing sense among potential suitors that under-fire Kings general manager Geoff Petrie, who has overseen zero trips to the playoffs under five coaches in the six-plus seasons since Rick Adelman left town, would be willing to move Cousins, preferably in exchange for a dependable veteran of quality or two who could bring some instant improvement to a franchise stuck in lottery land and still plagued by an uncertain future in terms of where this team will be calling home in the long term….
Anyway you're right: Pierce would certainly refuse
I think Jeff Green would fit that description, and maybe even Avery Bradley. Would that instantly improve Sacramento? I don't know. I don't know if Cousins instantly improves Boston. Part of me is very scared of a guy like him. Thought you would think KG would put him in line.
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I don't see us trading any veterans because we don't have any expiring contracts that the Kings would want. I don't see the Kings wanting to take back contracts like Bass, Lee, Green or Terry while giving up DeMarcus Cousins in the process.
Also, I don't see Detroit trading either Drummond or Monroe for Cousins and I honestly believe they are best off by staying pat. Cousins would be in virtually the same situation in Detroit as he would be in Sacramento.
I think the best offer we can make is Bradley, Sullinger, Melo and a 2013 1st for DeMarcus Cousins. If Sacramento is insistent on us taking back a bad contract, something like this would work: http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=crmgoo6
I don't think it's just expiring contracts they want, but also solid vets to improve the culture and establish some continuity. I'm actually hopeful that they might go for one or two of Danny's mid-level type guys.
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Detriot has the edge if they are willing to part with expiring contract Maggette and take on Garcia.
Pistons get: Cousins, Garcia
Kings get: Correy Maggette, Drummond and a Piston 2013 1st rounder
The Celtics couldn't comnpete with that offer.
Agreed. Would be surprised if Detroit gave up that much though.
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I watched the last quarter of the Kings' buzzer-beating victory over the Knicks last night. Cousins was horrendous on offense, throwing up some ridiculous shots, and not understanding how to use his strength against a great defender, Chandler. He made a bunch of critical mistakes, but he was putting out maximum effort to make hustle plays - hitting the glass hard at both ends, trying for steals, etc.
He made a crucial tip out on an offensive rebound with a second left, and that play led to the miracle three at the buzzer by bricklayer James Johnson.
One thing that stood out in watching DMC is that if he wants to do something, like get to an offensive rebound, he's going to get to it. Whether he fumbles it out of bounds, or runs over two opponents, is another matter.
There's a bunch of natural talent and athleticism there. He's like a big man version of a young Tony Allen on the court. Half the time you say "Why did he do that?" and the rest of the time you say "How did he do that?" but at the end of the game you wonder if the ups and downs are worth it.
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I don't know why Detroit would trade Drummond, who has the same size and athletic ability as DMC. Drummond is averaging 8 and 8 in 20 mpg in December, and now that Frank is giving him steady minutes, he's putting up double doubles (3 in the last 4 games).
Drummond is a way better shot blocker, and probably already a better defender than DMC. Drummond doesn't take jump shots, which I prefer over a guy who likes to take them (and misses 7 out of 10).
If Detroit is going to trade Drummond for DMC, it's going to be straight up. I don't see Cousins having that much more value that Detroit's going to have to give up a pick too. If Drummond is offered to Sacto, Petrie should jump on that deal.
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I watched the last quarter of the Kings' buzzer-beating victory over the Knicks last night. Cousins was horrendous on offense, throwing up some ridiculous shots, and not understanding how to use his strength against a great defender, Chandler. He made a bunch of critical mistakes, but he was putting out maximum effort to make hustle plays - hitting the glass hard at both ends, trying for steals, etc.
He made a crucial tip out on an offensive rebound with a second left, and that play led to the miracle three at the buzzer by bricklayer James Johnson.
One thing that stood out in watching DMC is that if he wants to do something, like get to an offensive rebound, he's going to get to it. Whether he fumbles it out of bounds, or runs over two opponents, is another matter.
There's a bunch of natural talent and athleticism there. He's like a big man version of a young Tony Allen on the court. Half the time you say "Why did he do that?" and the rest of the time you say "How did he do that?" but at the end of the game you wonder if the ups and downs are worth it.
Yea ..he is wild alot, but he hasn't had KG and PP barking in his ear either. He needs to be reined in and retaught how to play team basketball.
I think Doc and KG could go along way in getting him to mature....and also ...at 22 ..face it alot of guy s including myself were not really grown up . Cousins is a huge man with the maturity of a 16 year old with hormones going beserk.
Cousins like ZBO needs the right place and "TIME" to mature or settle down. But , you gotta love the energy and drive he has. Once he can focus , he will be great.
Doc , is a people person, thats his best asset, like Phil Jackson. I think he'll do what Doc says and learn NOT to ask why...this is what makes giving up AB and Sully so hard ...they are class acts already.
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Three words on this thread...DONT DO IT,
It is time for the Cs to build through the draft and free agency, no quick fix trades, unless you want to trade Doc for Thibs.
To those who say we should trade Sully Bradley and and anyone of Green Bass OR Melo for Cousins, who or what are we going to play the rest of the season with? This just does not make much basketball sense.
You cannot trade solid players for a headcase.
Finally, those that include Jet in trade deals, what do you intend to do with his leprechaun tattoo?
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Kings owners Joe and Gavin Maloof remain reluctant to part with troubled DeMarcus Cousins despite his recent suspension for arguing with coach Keith Smart, according to ESPN.com.
Although the Maloofs may be hesitant, the Kings would have suitors if they chose to move on from DMC, who looked pretty unhappy in Friday's game against the Knicks. Front-office sources told ESPN.com the Celtics and Pistons, among others, would be interested in dealing for the mercurial big man if he became available. The Cousins trade rumors are sure to only get louder as the trade deadline approaches and in the end, a trade might be best for both parties.
Related: Pistons, Celtics
Source: ESPN.com Dec 29 - 9:11 AM
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Melo, Bradley, and Sully doesn't get it done. Bradley is one of the best prospects Sactown can get, but Sully isn't attractive enough and Melo is just plain raw. I could see Sacramento do this if they wanted to rebuild, but the problem is, they are already rebuilding WITH Cousins.
To get Cousins, it's going to take a lot. The guy has the POTENTIAL to be the best center in the game, and despite his issues, you need more than a young asset and two unproven rookies to get him.
Personally, I don't want Cousins. Don't get me wrong, I think he's uber talented, but those off-the-court problems and attitude could make him a really talented Patrick O'Bryant. You know, where KG just totally ignores him? I fear that the locker room gives up on him if he doesn't change his mindset. If he did end up coming here though, I like him and Rondo being our foundation for the future. But again, too risky.
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I think a package of Melo, Sullinger and Green and picks could land Cousins and Salmons.
I keep seeing people saying that the Kings would want Bradley but they already have Thornton and Evans as SGs and Thomas and Brooks as PGs. Thornton and Evans are two of their best scorers and Thomas and Brooks are decent PGs under their control for cheap.
I don't see the Kings wanting to add another guard to a crowded guard rotation.
But their SF position is in shambles and is one of the worst group of SFs in the league.
The Kings need coachable youth, veterans with a good attitude and talent with upside.
Boston's package of Green, Sully and Melo would give the Kings all those things, get them out from under Salmon's contract, especially given his age and get rid of possibly the biggest headcase, idiot loser of a player with tremendous talent in the league.
I don't think it will happen but I also doubt teams are going to be lining up with better offers knowing that Petrie HAS to get rid of Cousins and will have to take 25-50 cents on the dollar for his talent level, sacrificing talent but bringing in quality people and players withupside.
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What would the pistons offer, and why are they so interested? Do they really want to bring back the detroit bad boys image? They already have Monroe and a big man rookie who will be potentially better than Cousins in Drummond. I would not trade Drummond or Monroe for Cousins. Other than that, Stuckey? Night? Singler? I don't see anyone else that the Kings would want.
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Cousin would be a great fit for Boston, I like Cousins and I think with Doc and veterans, Cousins would an important piece.
It's time for changes, Celtics need changes,Bradley is a great defender, but we are serious, he is not Michael Jordan, people think Bradley will be the Mesias and all the solution of the C's.
If Celtics want to compete this year at tge highlest level, they need changes in his roster,and with urgence, a center,if Jason Collins is our starter center, bad thing.
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I saw this on another board. Not saying its true just passing the info
I hear on the Boston Sports Radio that the Cs are going to offer Bradley, Sully, Melo and a Pick.... maybe some cash too
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I saw this on another board. Not saying its true just passing the info
I hear on the Boston Sports Radio that the Cs are going to offer Bradley, Sully, Melo and a Pick.... maybe some cash too
doesn't work salary wise I believe.
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Problem for Sac is that Cousins doesn't make big talent money, add that to the headcase issues his value isn't the highest so to get that in return they may need to take less and or bundle some one else in the trade. Most likely they will get hosed in the trade, its just what they value getting him out.
Knowing DA loved Evans, I would think he would be part of the trade. I know people are talking Salmons, but he makes the same kind of money as Green and is producing about they same and he's 33 appose to 26.
Also Sac has a ton of guards they aren't going to want to take on more guards. Bass,Sully may be in the mix. Maybe Melo, I'd rather keep Melo for a couple reasons. The guy has been making great strides in the D league. Important thing is his rotations have been solid. So if Cousins didnt work out in a couple years, Melo may be able to fill that role. OR, move Cousins to PF and have Melo at starting C. Not sure that would work out with the NBA getting smaller, but that would be a pretty good potential force. Ah to dream..:P
I don't think AB will be involved, I could be wrong, but he was saying he was developing back up PG skills. Which bring us back to Evans coming over would be kinda nice.
Maybe a third team gets involved that needs some vet talent and has some youngs that SAC would want.
Bostons only problem is that trading Green leaves you weak at the SF spot. I dont think Evans can play the 3 as well as Green could. And if you get rid of both Bass and Sully leaves you weak at the PF spot. I guess Green could play that if they go small, wilcox would be a good Back up PF if the Cc could get a back up Center like Birdman.
Hard to know with out know who else would be brought in.
I think Lee,Barbosa,Bass,Joseph are most likely be in the trade, but with Sully,Green,and Melo if DA DESPERATELY wants to bring Cousins in.
The Dream
Rondo/AB
Evans/Terry
PP/Green
KG/Wilcox
Cousins/Birdman
With:Collins,Melo,filler
The reality...Nothing like that! LOL!
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Problem for Sac is that Cousins doesn't make big talent money, add that to the headcase issues his value isn't the highest so to get that in return they may need to take less and or bundle some one else in the trade. Most likely they will get hosed in the trade, its just what they value getting him out.
Knowing DA loved Evans, I would think he would be part of the trade. I know people are talking Salmons, but he makes the same kind of money as Green and is producing about they same and he's 33 appose to 26.
Also Sac has a ton of guards they aren't going to want to take on more guards. Bass,Sully may be in the mix. Maybe Melo, I'd rather keep Melo for a couple reasons. The guy has been making great strides in the D league. Important thing is his rotations have been solid. So if Cousins didnt work out in a couple years, Melo may be able to fill that role. OR, move Cousins to PF and have Melo at starting C. Not sure that would work out with the NBA getting smaller, but that would be a pretty good potential force. Ah to dream..:P
I don't think AB will be involved, I could be wrong, but he was saying he was developing back up PG skills. Which bring us back to Evans coming over would be kinda nice.
Maybe a third team gets involved that needs some vet talent and has some youngs that SAC would want.
Bostons only problem is that trading Green leaves you weak at the SF spot. I dont think Evans can play the 3 as well as Green could. And if you get rid of both Bass and Sully leaves you weak at the PF spot. I guess Green could play that if they go small, wilcox would be a good Back up PF if the Cc could get a back up Center like Birdman.
Hard to know with out know who else would be brought in.
I think Lee,Barbosa,Bass,Joseph are most likely be in the trade, but with Sully,Green,and Melo if DA DESPERATELY wants to bring Cousins in.
The Dream
Rondo/AB
Evans/Terry
PP/Green
KG/Wilcox
Cousins/Birdman
With:Collins,Melo,filler
The reality...Nothing like that! LOL!
Yea, I don't see a Cousins deal happening without Bradley, and likely Sullinger as well, and the celtics taking back a bad contract.
What does our main competitor, Detroit, have to offer? They are highly unlikely to deal Drummond or Monroe, which leaves them with Brandon Knight, Stuckey, Singler, etc. Not much competition to what we can offer with Bradley and Sullinger imo.
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I saw this on another board. Not saying its true just passing the info
I hear on the Boston Sports Radio that the Cs are going to offer Bradley, Sully, Melo and a Pick.... maybe some cash too
doesn't work salary wise I believe.
I think the salaries work. Cousins makes 3.8m. Bradley, Sully, and Melo make 4.2.
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I saw this on another board. Not saying its true just passing the info
I hear on the Boston Sports Radio that the Cs are going to offer Bradley, Sully, Melo and a Pick.... maybe some cash too
doesn't work salary wise I believe.
I think the salaries work. Cousins makes 3.8m. Bradley, Sully, and Melo make 4.2.
wow, yea, I didn't realize Cousins salary was so cheap.
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I would make this trade.
Cousins makes 3.8m. Bradley, Sully, and Melo make 4.2.
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I would make this trade.
Cousins makes 3.8m. Bradley, Sully, and Melo make 4.2.
That's a lot of prospects to give up, but still, we would basically swap Sullinger with Cousins in the team that we have now, which may make us a top contender if Cousins stays under control.
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I would make this trade.
Cousins makes 3.8m. Bradley, Sully, and Melo make 4.2.
That's a lot of prospects to give up, but still, we would basically swap Sullinger with Cousins in the team that we have now, which may make us a top contender if Cousins stays under control.
I'll do that trade. We are in WIN NOW mode, lets not forget that. I understand the potential of those three, but that potential may not land us no. 18 in the next two years. Cousins is still a project IMO, but a project who can greatly contribute already and will help us go to the top.
We are trying to win now, as ridiculous as this may sound, we need to scrap the future for a while and make sure we have the pieces to contend NOW.
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Still don't understand why Sacramento would want Bradley with Evans, Thornton, Thomas and Brooks already there. I think Bradley has great upside but at this point he is an injury risk and shows nothing more offensively than any of those four players can give the Kings.
Unless the Kings are going to change their entire thinking on how to construct a team, they value offensive players not defensive.
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Can Rondo and Cousins co-exist? And I know we have a veteran locker room but I still have concerns about Cousins hurting team chemistry...
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Still don't understand why Sacramento would want Bradley with Evans, Thornton, Thomas and Brooks already there. I think Bradley has great upside but at this point he is an injury risk and shows nothing more offensively than any of those four players can give the Kings.
Unless the Kings are going to change their entire thinking on how to construct a team, they value offensive players not defensive.
Shut up, Nick! You're gonna scare them off!
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I would make this trade.
Cousins makes 3.8m. Bradley, Sully, and Melo make 4.2.
That's a lot of prospects to give up, but still, we would basically swap Sullinger with Cousins in the team that we have now, which may make us a top contender if Cousins stays under control.
I'll do that trade. We are in WIN NOW mode, lets not forget that. I understand the potential of those three, but that potential may not land us no. 18 in the next two years. Cousins is still a project IMO, but a project who can greatly contribute already and will help us go to the top.
We are trying to win now, as ridiculous as this may sound, we need to scrap the future for a while and make sure we have the pieces to contend NOW.
We are in win now mode but you can't really use that argument when talking about bradley. He can help us a great deal RIGHT NOW. In fact, hes a very important piece to us winning right now......
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I would be absolutely STUNNED if Bradley is in the deal. Rondo recognizes what many others do - Bradley's pressure defense makes a huge difference for the Cs. Having Cousins under the rim doesn't make up for the inability for the Cs backcourt to contain penetration. I don't think Bradley is overvalued - he may not be superstar quality, but he is an integral piece of the system. Bradley's value to the Cs is way higher than his value to the Kings - for that reason alone it would be counterproductive to put him in the deal.
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After January 15th this works:
Boston sends Green and Bradley
Boston receives Cousins and Salmons
Utah sends Milsap
Utah receives Green and Bradley
Sacramento sends Cousins and Salmons
Sacramento receives Milsap
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I would make this trade.
Cousins makes 3.8m. Bradley, Sully, and Melo make 4.2.
That's a lot of prospects to give up, but still, we would basically swap Sullinger with Cousins in the team that we have now, which may make us a top contender if Cousins stays under control.
I'll do that trade. We are in WIN NOW mode, lets not forget that. I understand the potential of those three, but that potential may not land us no. 18 in the next two years. Cousins is still a project IMO, but a project who can greatly contribute already and will help us go to the top.
We are trying to win now, as ridiculous as this may sound, we need to scrap the future for a while and make sure we have the pieces to contend NOW.
Very true, I rather the Celtics win 2 more titles, then be a draft lottery team for a couple years
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Still don't understand why Sacramento would want Bradley with Evans, Thornton, Thomas and Brooks already there. I think Bradley has great upside but at this point he is an injury risk and shows nothing more offensively than any of those four players can give the Kings.
Unless the Kings are going to change their entire thinking on how to construct a team, they value offensive players not defensive.
Shut up, Nick! You're gonna scare them off!
LOL...yeah because we all know how much Geoff Petrie respects my opinion.
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Still don't understand why Sacramento would want Bradley with Evans, Thornton, Thomas and Brooks already there. I think Bradley has great upside but at this point he is an injury risk and shows nothing more offensively than any of those four players can give the Kings.
Unless the Kings are going to change their entire thinking on how to construct a team, they value offensive players not defensive.
Shut up, Nick! You're gonna scare them off!
LOL...yeah because we all know how much Geoff Petrie respects my opinion.
Well he's been getting terrible advice from someone, judging from the way that team is drowning. I've been telling everyone I know how awesome Avery Bradley would be for the Kings, in the hopes of finding the anonymous source of Petrie's terrible advice.
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After January 15th this works:
Boston sends Green and Bradley
Boston receives Cousins and Salmons
Utah sends Milsap
Utah receives Green and Bradley
Sacramento sends Cousins and Salmons
Sacramento receives Milsap
Wow. TP.
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After January 15th this works:
Boston sends Green and Bradley
Boston receives Cousins and Salmons
Utah sends Milsap
Utah receives Green and Bradley
Sacramento sends Cousins and Salmons
Sacramento receives Milsap
Utah will not want Green. They have his twin in Williams already. (just look at their ages, size, and stats)
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After January 15th this works:
Boston sends Green and Bradley
Boston receives Cousins and Salmons
Utah sends Milsap
Utah receives Green and Bradley
Sacramento sends Cousins and Salmons
Sacramento receives Milsap
Wow. TP.
So Sac trades Cousins( a legit 6'11/7ft with loads of potential) for and undersized PF who is 5 years older and has already reached his peak of a 15/8 ? Just don't see Sacramento being interested in that.
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After January 15th this works:
Boston sends Green and Bradley
Boston receives Cousins and Salmons
Utah sends Milsap
Utah receives Green and Bradley
Sacramento sends Cousins and Salmons
Sacramento receives Milsap
Wow. TP.
So Sac trades Cousins( a legit 6'11/7ft with loads of potential) for and undersized PF who is 5 years older and has already reached his peak of a 15/8 ? Just don't see Sacramento being interested in that.
They go from having a headcase to having a solid near-allstar veteran pro big man, so I think they're interested. It probably takes a 1st round pick or some combo of Melo/Joseph as a prospect to push it through, though (and make them look better).
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Still don't understand why Sacramento would want Bradley with Evans, Thornton, Thomas and Brooks already there. I think Bradley has great upside but at this point he is an injury risk and shows nothing more offensively than any of those four players can give the Kings.
Unless the Kings are going to change their entire thinking on how to construct a team, they value offensive players not defensive.
Shut up, Nick! You're gonna scare them off!
LOL...yeah because we all know how much Geoff Petrie respects my opinion.
Well he's been getting terrible advice from someone, judging from the way that team is drowning. I've been telling everyone I know how awesome Avery Bradley would be for the Kings, in the hopes of finding the anonymous source of Petrie's terrible advice.
I don't know how AB fits with kings, but I'm under the impression that Evans is on his way out. They chose to to extend a qualifying offer this off-season and he's an unrestricted free agent this summer. I'm pretty sure he's going to walk. I don't think Evans being part of a Celtics/Sac deal is that far fetched. We know Danny likes him and it could force us to offer a better package.
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After January 15th this works:
Boston sends Green and Bradley
Boston receives Cousins and Salmons
Utah sends Milsap
Utah receives Green and Bradley
Sacramento sends Cousins and Salmons
Sacramento receives Milsap
Wow. TP.
So Sac trades Cousins( a legit 6'11/7ft with loads of potential) for and undersized PF who is 5 years older and has already reached his peak of a 15/8 ? Just don't see Sacramento being interested in that.
They go from having a headcase to having a solid near-allstar veteran pro big man, so I think they're interested. It probably takes a 1st round pick or some combo of Melo/Joseph as a prospect to push it through, though (and make them look better).
sorry in what world is Millsap a borderline all-star?
they select 4-6 pf's for the all-star team
of the top of my head in no particular order
1)Dirk
2)Aldridge
3)Love
4)Josh Smith
5)Zach Randolph
6)Pau Gasol
7)Blake Griffin
8)David West
9)Favors
10)Anthony Davis
11) Amare Stoudamire
12) David Lee
can even add KG and Duncan in there
since the all-star teams only choose big men now instead of the positions of PF and C, Millsap would probably be around 25-30th best big man in the game. No where near an all-star. He is basically a better rebounding Jeff Green
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Still don't understand why Sacramento would want Bradley with Evans, Thornton, Thomas and Brooks already there. I think Bradley has great upside but at this point he is an injury risk and shows nothing more offensively than any of those four players can give the Kings.
Unless the Kings are going to change their entire thinking on how to construct a team, they value offensive players not defensive.
This.
Bradley will be a good fit for a team with lots of weapons and trying to contend. He won't be shining on his own amongst a team that looks lost.
Unless the Kings are really willing to send Cousins away, I can't see them making a trade for a package of our players.
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Still don't understand why Sacramento would want Bradley with Evans, Thornton, Thomas and Brooks already there. I think Bradley has great upside but at this point he is an injury risk and shows nothing more offensively than any of those four players can give the Kings.
Unless the Kings are going to change their entire thinking on how to construct a team, they value offensive players not defensive.
This.
Bradley will be a good fit for a team with lots of weapons and trying to contend. He won't be shining on his own amongst a team that looks lost.
Unless the Kings are really willing to send Cousins away, I can't see them making a trade for a package of our players.
But if you read many of the posts on here, you would think Bradley is a defensive monster who would transform the Kings culture and make them a top ranked defensive team. He's a rare player who would make them instant contenders. Well, hopefully the Kings GM reads celticsblog, LOL.
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Still don't understand why Sacramento would want Bradley with Evans, Thornton, Thomas and Brooks already there. I think Bradley has great upside but at this point he is an injury risk and shows nothing more offensively than any of those four players can give the Kings.
Unless the Kings are going to change their entire thinking on how to construct a team, they value offensive players not defensive.
This.
Bradley will be a good fit for a team with lots of weapons and trying to contend. He won't be shining on his own amongst a team that looks lost.
Unless the Kings are really willing to send Cousins away, I can't see them making a trade for a package of our players.
But if you read many of the posts on here, you would think Bradley is a defensive monster who would transform the Kings culture and make them a top ranked defensive team. He's a rare player who would make them instant contenders. Well, hopefully the Kings GM reads celticsblog, LOL.
6'2" guys don't change the destiny of a franchise. It's a big man's job. That's why if two players are seen as equally talented, a GM will most likely go with the big man in that situation. That's why I think, if they could time travel to 84' draft, the Rockets would still go with Hakeem over MJ.
Kings aren't really managed that great to be honest, but I doubt they would be this dumb :D
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If you can keep Melo and Lee you do this. A front line of Melo and DMC would give you a very nice combo of defense, offense and length on the future front line and Lee is a solid backcourt partner with Rondo. Then you need a solid SF and we can move towards the next contending team should DMC pull his head out
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Still don't understand why Sacramento would want Bradley with Evans, Thornton, Thomas and Brooks already there. I think Bradley has great upside but at this point he is an injury risk and shows nothing more offensively than any of those four players can give the Kings.
Unless the Kings are going to change their entire thinking on how to construct a team, they value offensive players not defensive.
Shut up, Nick! You're gonna scare them off!
LOL...yeah because we all know how much Geoff Petrie respects my opinion.
Well he's been getting terrible advice from someone, judging from the way that team is drowning. I've been telling everyone I know how awesome Avery Bradley would be for the Kings, in the hopes of finding the anonymous source of Petrie's terrible advice.
I think you are mistaking my advice to Petrie for that of KC and StartOrien's
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Still don't understand why Sacramento would want Bradley with Evans, Thornton, Thomas and Brooks already there. I think Bradley has great upside but at this point he is an injury risk and shows nothing more offensively than any of those four players can give the Kings.
Unless the Kings are going to change their entire thinking on how to construct a team, they value offensive players not defensive.
Ummm, because he's a better defender than any of them when healthy. They can make more than one trade if they want.
There is no way we are getting Cousins without a package that includes both AB and Sully, and probably Melo + a pick.
Bradley isn't playing and we are a .500 ball club, with KG playing heavy minutes at Center. Cousins is the piece we are missing.
Thin the herd, improve the starting lineup by A LOT, and develop and 8-9 man rotation that Doc is still having trouble doing
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"Among potential suitors, there is a growing belief that GM Geoff Petrie would be willing to part ways with Cousins in exchange for a quality veteran player or two who could bring instant improvement."
Raise your hand if you'd part with Paul Pierce in order to nab Cousins.
*raises hand*
Pierce is my favorite player on the team. I love the guy. I'd have to do that if I was the Celtics GM. Pretty much fixes our main roster issue.
PG - Rondo
SG - Lee/Jet/Bradley/Barbosa
SF - Green (getting paid starter money anyways)
PF - KG
C - Cousins
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"Among potential suitors, there is a growing belief that GM Geoff Petrie would be willing to part ways with Cousins in exchange for a quality veteran player or two who could bring instant improvement."
Raise your hand if you'd part with Paul Pierce in order to nab Cousins.
*raises hand*
Pierce is my favorite player on the team. I love the guy. I'd have to do that if I was the Celtics GM. Pretty much fixes our main roster issue.
PG - Rondo
SG - Lee/Jet/Bradley/Barbosa
SF - Green (getting paid starter money anyways)
PF - KG
C - Cousins
Can't Pierce veto that trade? What a backstab.
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I would never ever give up Avery Bradley in this deal. No way.
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"Among potential suitors, there is a growing belief that GM Geoff Petrie would be willing to part ways with Cousins in exchange for a quality veteran player or two who could bring instant improvement."
Raise your hand if you'd part with Paul Pierce in order to nab Cousins.
*raises hand*
Pierce is my favorite player on the team. I love the guy. I'd have to do that if I was the Celtics GM. Pretty much fixes our main roster issue.
PG - Rondo
SG - Lee/Jet/Bradley/Barbosa
SF - Green (getting paid starter money anyways)
PF - KG
C - Cousins
I wouldn't do it. That's not just sentiment talking. I think ultimately that trade would hurt our team this season.
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Somebody get Petrie drunk and get him to do a COusins for Lee/Sullinger deal. Who's voluntering?
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There are two ways to approach getting two matching sides to a trade (actually probalby more than two but two relevant to Cousins I think).
One is to match up talent with talent within the financial constraints of salary caps. In this case, Cousins only makes $3.8M so it is hard to match that up. The Sullinger, Bradley, Melo package probably doesn't do it (too much potential vs. established value) so you need to look at the other way of matching up.
The other way is to take back overpaid junk. In this case that could be Salmons or maybe Outlaw and several others. In order for this to work for the Celtics, I think they need to expand it. Something like:
Green, Lee, Bradley, Sullinger (or Melo?)
Cousins, Evans, Salmons
In order for this to work, they need to believe that Green is worth something and that Evans is leaving anyway. It is kind of
Green + Lee = Cousins (they are saying they want more established vets)
Bradley + Sullinger = Evans (this is really good value for them)
And we take Salmons to save them money and we would need someone to replace Greeen.
There are many other possible combinations but I think this is the type of deal that would be needed for it to work.
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"Among potential suitors, there is a growing belief that GM Geoff Petrie would be willing to part ways with Cousins in exchange for a quality veteran player or two who could bring instant improvement."
Raise your hand if you'd part with Paul Pierce in order to nab Cousins.
*raises hand*
Pierce is my favorite player on the team. I love the guy. I'd have to do that if I was the Celtics GM. Pretty much fixes our main roster issue.
PG - Rondo
SG - Lee/Jet/Bradley/Barbosa
SF - Green (getting paid starter money anyways)
PF - KG
C - Cousins
Can't Pierce veto that trade? What a backstab.
Techically, no, Pierce could not veto the trade. Effectively, he probably could. It's rumored he put the kibosh on a potential deal to the Nets last trade deadline.
Pierce would probably threaten to not report.
Aside from that, I find the idea of trading Pierce to Sacramento for Cousins sacreligious. Hypothectically, it is a decent starting point for a trade, but not something I could ever see Wyc allowing.
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"Among potential suitors, there is a growing belief that GM Geoff Petrie would be willing to part ways with Cousins in exchange for a quality veteran player or two who could bring instant improvement."
Raise your hand if you'd part with Paul Pierce in order to nab Cousins.
*raises hand*
Pierce is my favorite player on the team. I love the guy. I'd have to do that if I was the Celtics GM. Pretty much fixes our main roster issue.
PG - Rondo
SG - Lee/Jet/Bradley/Barbosa
SF - Green (getting paid starter money anyways)
PF - KG
C - Cousins
Can't Pierce veto that trade? What a backstab.
Techically, no, Pierce could not veto the trade. Effectively, he probably could. It's rumored he put the kibosh on a potential deal to the Nets last trade deadline.
Pierce would probably threaten to not report.
Aside from that, I find the idea of trading Pierce to Sacramento for Cousins sacreligious. Hypothectically, it is a decent starting point for a trade, but not something I could ever see Wyc allowing.
Yea, I don't see the Kings trading Cousins for a guy who has maybe 1 more year left in the league and would retire if he gets traded to their team. When they say veteran, I don't think they mean old veteran. Heck, Ryan Anderson and Glen Davis are considered veterans now.
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"Among potential suitors, there is a growing belief that GM Geoff Petrie would be willing to part ways with Cousins in exchange for a quality veteran player or two who could bring instant improvement."
Raise your hand if you'd part with Paul Pierce in order to nab Cousins.
*raises hand*
Pierce is my favorite player on the team. I love the guy. I'd have to do that if I was the Celtics GM. Pretty much fixes our main roster issue.
PG - Rondo
SG - Lee/Jet/Bradley/Barbosa
SF - Green (getting paid starter money anyways)
PF - KG
C - Cousins
Ill have to keep my hands down on this one....the celtics cant win a championship anytime soon without Pierce, so its not quite worth giving up a life long celtic unless youre going to blow it up and get rid of KG as well and rebuild and that aint happening
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"Among potential suitors, there is a growing belief that GM Geoff Petrie would be willing to part ways with Cousins in exchange for a quality veteran player or two who could bring instant improvement."
Raise your hand if you'd part with Paul Pierce in order to nab Cousins.
*raises hand*
Pierce is my favorite player on the team. I love the guy. I'd have to do that if I was the Celtics GM. Pretty much fixes our main roster issue.
PG - Rondo
SG - Lee/Jet/Bradley/Barbosa
SF - Green (getting paid starter money anyways)
PF - KG
C - Cousins
Ill have to keep my hands down on this one....the celtics cant win a championship anytime soon without Pierce, so its not quite worth giving up a life long celtic unless youre going to blow it up and get rid of KG as well and rebuild and that aint happening
Not to mention that KG would most likely retire if you trade Pierce.
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Everyone forgot one thing. This trade will not happen unless Cousins is on board with coming here. If he's gonna be a petulant child there's no chance of him coming here. Danny is not that stupid. So the ball is in his court essentially. Chris Paul made it very clear he wanted no part of Boston. And the trade never happened. That's a big piece no one is mentioning.
The other thing that needs to be looked at is the more he sulks and acts up the lower his value drops. The Kings are on the clock. They need to make a move because this wont end well for them if they stand put. So Demarcus or his agent if your reading this keep up the petulant child act. And do your part. The nastier you make it the less we have to give up. Welcome to Boston!
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Everyone forgot one thing. This trade will not happen unless Cousins is on board with coming here. If he's gonna be a petulant child there's no chance of him coming here. Danny is not that stupid. So the ball is in his court essentially. Chris Paul made it very clear he wanted no part of Boston. And the trade never happened. That's a big piece no one is mentioning.
The other thing that needs to be looked at is the more he sulks and acts up the lower his value drops. The Kings are on the clock. They need to make a move because this wont end well for them if they stand put. So Demarcus or his agent if your reading this keep up the petulant child act. And do your part. The nastier you make it the less we have to give up. Welcome to Boston!
I just don't see Cousins not wanting to come to Boston and play for Doc Rivers and a winning franchise. The guy has his flaws, but he wants to win, and there are not many better situations for him to win.
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Still don't understand why Sacramento would want Bradley with Evans, Thornton, Thomas and Brooks already there. I think Bradley has great upside but at this point he is an injury risk and shows nothing more offensively than any of those four players can give the Kings.
Unless the Kings are going to change their entire thinking on how to construct a team, they value offensive players not defensive.
Shut up, Nick! You're gonna scare them off!
LOL...yeah because we all know how much Geoff Petrie respects my opinion.
Well he's been getting terrible advice from someone, judging from the way that team is drowning. I've been telling everyone I know how awesome Avery Bradley would be for the Kings, in the hopes of finding the anonymous source of Petrie's terrible advice.
I don't know how AB fits with kings, but I'm under the impression that Evans is on his way out. They chose to to extend a qualifying offer this off-season and he's an unrestricted free agent this summer. I'm pretty sure he's going to walk. I don't think Evans being part of a Celtics/Sac deal is that far fetched. We know Danny likes him and it could force us to offer a better package.
Yeah, it looks like Sacramento is ready to move on from Tyreke.
I thought a Jeff Green for Tyreke Evans swap would've been a fair deal given Tyreke's upcoming free agent status ... but I think I read somewhere earlier in the thread that Sacramento isn't interested in Jeff Green so that kinda kills that idea (not that I wanted to do it, I don't Tyreke + Rondo can coexist).
Not sure Danny came make an attractive offer for Tyreke other than J.Green. Maybe Bradley maybe.
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"Among potential suitors, there is a growing belief that GM Geoff Petrie would be willing to part ways with Cousins in exchange for a quality veteran player or two who could bring instant improvement."
Raise your hand if you'd part with Paul Pierce in order to nab Cousins.
*raises hand*
Pierce is my favorite player on the team. I love the guy. I'd have to do that if I was the Celtics GM. Pretty much fixes our main roster issue.
PG - Rondo
SG - Lee/Jet/Bradley/Barbosa
SF - Green (getting paid starter money anyways)
PF - KG
C - Cousins
Can't Pierce veto that trade? What a backstab.
Techically, no, Pierce could not veto the trade. Effectively, he probably could. It's rumored he put the kibosh on a potential deal to the Nets last trade deadline.
Pierce would probably threaten to not report.
Aside from that, I find the idea of trading Pierce to Sacramento for Cousins sacreligious. Hypothectically, it is a decent starting point for a trade, but not something I could ever see Wyc allowing.
Yea, I don't see the Kings trading Cousins for a guy who has maybe 1 more year left in the league and would retire if he gets traded to their team. When they say veteran, I don't think they mean old veteran. Heck, Ryan Anderson and Glen Davis are considered veterans now.
I agree, but, I'm not entirely convinced Sac wouldn't entertain the idea of taking on Pierce, even if he did refuse to report. If it allowed Sac to dump a bunch of bad contracts, they might bite, provided there was enough young talent coming back, as well.
Sacramento would not have to pay Pierce for the remainder of the season if he failed to report (I believe), and could work a buyout in the off-season for as little as $5mil, possibly less.
I don't think Sacramento has that many bad contracts they want to dump, or are that desparate. In all likely hood, they'd probaly prefer players whom they could actually put on the court. Sac has very little use for salary cap space. Nobody wants to sign there as a FA.
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Everyone forgot one thing. This trade will not happen unless Cousins is on board with coming here. If he's gonna be a petulant child there's no chance of him coming here.
DeMarcus Cousins' doesn't have that type of leverage.
If he refuses to report, Danny should make the deal anyway. Cousins would back down. Danny would just need to stand strong. Cousins would back down.
Not that I expect Cousins to do anything like this. Maybe to a lottery team (who's GM will no doubt back down because he has no backbone) that is similarly dysfunctional as Sacramento (where it would just be a repeat of the same problems he has been going through) but not to a championship caliber franchise like the the Celtics. I think Cousins would be delighted to come to Boston.
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Sac need a more than decent vet , plus one or two young players with potential and draft picks.
If det and bos are front runners for the trade
To det: Cousins , Brooks, Salmons
To sac: Prince, Maxiell, Drummond, 1st round pick
To bos: Cousins, Salmons, Thomas
To sac: Pierce, Lee, Bass, Melo
Det adv would be able to offer Drummond and a lottery bound 1st round pick. But then again Sac has stated they want a nice vet to lead them to the right direction. Pierce alone has adv over Prince and Maxiell, especially since these past few years he has helped the celts remain contenders. The celts could still get to keep sully as Sac already has enough pf's on the team and could use a potential center.
So celts lineup after
starters - Cousins, KG, Green/Salmons, Bradley, Rondo
bench - Green/Salmons, Terry, Thomas, Sully, Barbosa
pros: Cousins is young, immature but ultra talented. He has a legit body/post skills of a center and perimeter skills of a sf. Salmons is a decent sf in the mold of Caron Butler and Thomas would finally solve celts issue of lacking a legit 2nd unit pg.
cons: If Cousins doesn't stop acting up even after going through doc and kg. If we struggle on the perimeter and can't close out games bc of losing pierce. (though these days he can't close out many games anyways)
I would really think about making this trade. Cousins though immature also after games , apologizes and realizes his mistakes. He just needs to avoid making them in real time. If sac needs bradley before this trade is considered, i would immediately reject
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Sac need a more than decent vet , plus one or two young players with potential and draft picks.
If det and bos are front runners for the trade
To det: Cousins , Brooks, Salmons
To sac: Prince, Maxiell, Drummond, 1st round pick
To bos: Cousins, Salmons, Thomas
To sac: Pierce, Lee, Bass, Melo
Det adv would be able to offer Drummond and a lottery bound 1st round pick. But then again Sac has stated they want a nice vet to lead them to the right direction. Pierce alone has adv over Prince and Maxiell, especially since these past few years he has helped them remain contenders. The celts could still get to keep sully as Sac already has enough pf's on the team and could use a potential center.
So celts lineup after
starters - Cousins, KG, Green/Salmons, Bradley, Rondo
bench - Green/Salmons, Terry, Thomas, Sully, Barbosa
pros: Cousins is young, immature but ultra talented. He has a legit body/post skills of a center and perimeter skills of a sf. Salmons is a decent sf in the mold of Caron Butler and Thomas would finally solve celts issue of lacking a legit 2nd unit pg.
cons: If Cousins doesn't stop acting up even after going through doc and kg. If we struggle on the perimeter and can't close out games bc of losing pierce. (though these days he can't close out many games anyways)
I would really think about making this trade. Cousins though immature also after games , apologizes and realizes his mistakes. He just needs to avoid making them in real time. If sac needs bradley before this trade is considered, i would immediately reject
there is no way the pistons trade Drummond for Cousins. They think, as they should, that Drummond will be a much better player than Cousins.
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Who would object to this trade first:
SAC TRADES: COUSINS, EVANS, THOMAS
BOS TRADES: BRADLEY, GREEN, BASS, LEE, 2 first rounders
Thoughts?
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Who would object to this trade first:
SAC TRADES: COUSINS, EVANS, THOMAS
BOS TRADES: BRADLEY, GREEN, BASS, LEE, 2 first rounders
Thoughts?
I don't see the Kings giving us Cousins and Evans for that package.
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Sac need a more than decent vet , plus one or two young players with potential and draft picks.
If det and bos are front runners for the trade
To det: Cousins , Brooks, Salmons
To sac: Prince, Maxiell, Drummond, 1st round pick
To bos: Cousins, Salmons, Thomas
To sac: Pierce, Lee, Bass, Melo
Det adv would be able to offer Drummond and a lottery bound 1st round pick. But then again Sac has stated they want a nice vet to lead them to the right direction. Pierce alone has adv over Prince and Maxiell, especially since these past few years he has helped them remain contenders. The celts could still get to keep sully as Sac already has enough pf's on the team and could use a potential center.
So celts lineup after
starters - Cousins, KG, Green/Salmons, Bradley, Rondo
bench - Green/Salmons, Terry, Thomas, Sully, Barbosa
pros: Cousins is young, immature but ultra talented. He has a legit body/post skills of a center and perimeter skills of a sf. Salmons is a decent sf in the mold of Caron Butler and Thomas would finally solve celts issue of lacking a legit 2nd unit pg.
cons: If Cousins doesn't stop acting up even after going through doc and kg. If we struggle on the perimeter and can't close out games bc of losing pierce. (though these days he can't close out many games anyways)
I would really think about making this trade. Cousins though immature also after games , apologizes and realizes his mistakes. He just needs to avoid making them in real time. If sac needs bradley before this trade is considered, i would immediately reject
there is no way the pistons trade Drummond for Cousins. They think, as they should, that Drummond will be a much better player than Cousins.
Why not?? they already have Monroe at Center. If you get Cousins, Drummond now becomes a bench player for years to come? That makes no sense
Plus you think Sac is going to be happy to receive chump change for Cousins?? Det biggest assets are Knight, Monroe (both untouchables even for cousins) and Drummond.
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Sac need a more than decent vet , plus one or two young players with potential and draft picks.
If det and bos are front runners for the trade
To det: Cousins , Brooks, Salmons
To sac: Prince, Maxiell, Drummond, 1st round pick
To bos: Cousins, Salmons, Thomas
To sac: Pierce, Lee, Bass, Melo
Det adv would be able to offer Drummond and a lottery bound 1st round pick. But then again Sac has stated they want a nice vet to lead them to the right direction. Pierce alone has adv over Prince and Maxiell, especially since these past few years he has helped them remain contenders. The celts could still get to keep sully as Sac already has enough pf's on the team and could use a potential center.
So celts lineup after
starters - Cousins, KG, Green/Salmons, Bradley, Rondo
bench - Green/Salmons, Terry, Thomas, Sully, Barbosa
pros: Cousins is young, immature but ultra talented. He has a legit body/post skills of a center and perimeter skills of a sf. Salmons is a decent sf in the mold of Caron Butler and Thomas would finally solve celts issue of lacking a legit 2nd unit pg.
cons: If Cousins doesn't stop acting up even after going through doc and kg. If we struggle on the perimeter and can't close out games bc of losing pierce. (though these days he can't close out many games anyways)
I would really think about making this trade. Cousins though immature also after games , apologizes and realizes his mistakes. He just needs to avoid making them in real time. If sac needs bradley before this trade is considered, i would immediately reject
there is no way the pistons trade Drummond for Cousins. They think, as they should, that Drummond will be a much better player than Cousins.
Why not?? they already have Monroe at Center. If you get Cousins, Drummond now becomes a bench player for years to come? That makes no sense
Plus you think Sac is going to be happy to receive chumps change for Cousins?? Det biggest assets are Knight, Monroe (both untouchables even for cousins) and Drummond.
I read a few Detroit sports writers takes on trading for Cousins and they all state that the pistons see Drummond as an all-star big man and potential future MVP. They are not trading him for Cousins. They actually want to pair Cousins with Drummond and move Monroe to PF off the bench. I don't understand why they want all three of those guys, but that seems to be the plan.
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Everyone forgot one thing. This trade will not happen unless Cousins is on board with coming here. If he's gonna be a petulant child there's no chance of him coming here. Danny is not that stupid. So the ball is in his court essentially. Chris Paul made it very clear he wanted no part of Boston. And the trade never happened. That's a big piece no one is mentioning.
The other thing that needs to be looked at is the more he sulks and acts up the lower his value drops. The Kings are on the clock. They need to make a move because this wont end well for them if they stand put. So Demarcus or his agent if your reading this keep up the petulant child act. And do your part. The nastier you make it the less we have to give up. Welcome to Boston!
I just don't see Cousins not wanting to come to Boston and play for Doc Rivers and a winning franchise. The guy has his flaws, but he wants to win, and there are not many better situations for him to win.
I completely agree that i don't see him nixing a trade to Boston. But in this days NBA, players do have that type of leverage. Chris Paul was my example. So it does/can happen. I agree i think it's unlikely but we can't overlook it. At the end of the day the kid has to WANT to come here.
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Sac need a more than decent vet , plus one or two young players with potential and draft picks.
If det and bos are front runners for the trade
To det: Cousins , Brooks, Salmons
To sac: Prince, Maxiell, Drummond, 1st round pick
To bos: Cousins, Salmons, Thomas
To sac: Pierce, Lee, Bass, Melo
Det adv would be able to offer Drummond and a lottery bound 1st round pick. But then again Sac has stated they want a nice vet to lead them to the right direction. Pierce alone has adv over Prince and Maxiell, especially since these past few years he has helped them remain contenders. The celts could still get to keep sully as Sac already has enough pf's on the team and could use a potential center.
So celts lineup after
starters - Cousins, KG, Green/Salmons, Bradley, Rondo
bench - Green/Salmons, Terry, Thomas, Sully, Barbosa
pros: Cousins is young, immature but ultra talented. He has a legit body/post skills of a center and perimeter skills of a sf. Salmons is a decent sf in the mold of Caron Butler and Thomas would finally solve celts issue of lacking a legit 2nd unit pg.
cons: If Cousins doesn't stop acting up even after going through doc and kg. If we struggle on the perimeter and can't close out games bc of losing pierce. (though these days he can't close out many games anyways)
I would really think about making this trade. Cousins though immature also after games , apologizes and realizes his mistakes. He just needs to avoid making them in real time. If sac needs bradley before this trade is considered, i would immediately reject
there is no way the pistons trade Drummond for Cousins. They think, as they should, that Drummond will be a much better player than Cousins.
Why not?? they already have Monroe at Center. If you get Cousins, Drummond now becomes a bench player for years to come? That makes no sense
Plus you think Sac is going to be happy to receive chumps change for Cousins?? Det biggest assets are Knight, Monroe (both untouchables even for cousins) and Drummond.
I read a few Detroit sports writers takes on trading for Cousins and they all state that the pistons see Drummond as an all-star big man and potential future MVP. They are not trading him for Cousins. They actually want to pair Cousins with Drummond and move Monroe to PF off the bench. I don't understand why they want all three of those guys, but that seems to be the plan.
I would love to have those three guys too. But things have to make sense. Sac is going to want something good in return. Like i stated to you, det doesn't have alot to offer. If its between Monroe or Drummond, they keep Monroe 100 times over.
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Everyone forgot one thing. This trade will not happen unless Cousins is on board with coming here. If he's gonna be a petulant child there's no chance of him coming here. Danny is not that stupid. So the ball is in his court essentially. Chris Paul made it very clear he wanted no part of Boston. And the trade never happened. That's a big piece no one is mentioning.
The other thing that needs to be looked at is the more he sulks and acts up the lower his value drops. The Kings are on the clock. They need to make a move because this wont end well for them if they stand put. So Demarcus or his agent if your reading this keep up the petulant child act. And do your part. The nastier you make it the less we have to give up. Welcome to Boston!
I just don't see Cousins not wanting to come to Boston and play for Doc Rivers and a winning franchise. The guy has his flaws, but he wants to win, and there are not many better situations for him to win.
I completely agree that i don't see him nixing a trade to Boston. But in this days NBA, players do have that type of leverage. Chris Paul was my example. So it does/can happen. I agree i think it's unlikely but we can't overlook it. At the end of the day the kid has to WANT to come here.
Chris paul was a max player, just like Dwight Howard and Melo. That gives them a lot more leverage than a guy with 2 years left on his rookie contract...
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Sac need a more than decent vet , plus one or two young players with potential and draft picks.
If det and bos are front runners for the trade
To det: Cousins , Brooks, Salmons
To sac: Prince, Maxiell, Drummond, 1st round pick
To bos: Cousins, Salmons, Thomas
To sac: Pierce, Lee, Bass, Melo
Det adv would be able to offer Drummond and a lottery bound 1st round pick. But then again Sac has stated they want a nice vet to lead them to the right direction. Pierce alone has adv over Prince and Maxiell, especially since these past few years he has helped them remain contenders. The celts could still get to keep sully as Sac already has enough pf's on the team and could use a potential center.
So celts lineup after
starters - Cousins, KG, Green/Salmons, Bradley, Rondo
bench - Green/Salmons, Terry, Thomas, Sully, Barbosa
pros: Cousins is young, immature but ultra talented. He has a legit body/post skills of a center and perimeter skills of a sf. Salmons is a decent sf in the mold of Caron Butler and Thomas would finally solve celts issue of lacking a legit 2nd unit pg.
cons: If Cousins doesn't stop acting up even after going through doc and kg. If we struggle on the perimeter and can't close out games bc of losing pierce. (though these days he can't close out many games anyways)
I would really think about making this trade. Cousins though immature also after games , apologizes and realizes his mistakes. He just needs to avoid making them in real time. If sac needs bradley before this trade is considered, i would immediately reject
there is no way the pistons trade Drummond for Cousins. They think, as they should, that Drummond will be a much better player than Cousins.
Why not?? they already have Monroe at Center. If you get Cousins, Drummond now becomes a bench player for years to come? That makes no sense
Plus you think Sac is going to be happy to receive chumps change for Cousins?? Det biggest assets are Knight, Monroe (both untouchables even for cousins) and Drummond.
I read a few Detroit sports writers takes on trading for Cousins and they all state that the pistons see Drummond as an all-star big man and potential future MVP. They are not trading him for Cousins. They actually want to pair Cousins with Drummond and move Monroe to PF off the bench. I don't understand why they want all three of those guys, but that seems to be the plan.
I would love to have those three guys too. But things have to make sense. Sac is going to want something good in return. Like i stated to you, det doesn't have alot to offer. If its between Monroe or Drummond, they keep Monroe 100 times over.
From what I read, if it's between Monroe and Drummond, they trade Monroe. They love Drummond. There is also the issue that Cousins and Monroe hate each other and might not be able to co-exist. I agree though that if they are not trading one of those 2 big men, they really don't have much to offer, which would put us in a great position. Who else can they offer? Knight, Stuckey, Prince, Singler? I guess, but if I where the Kings I'd rather take Bradley, Sullinger, and Melo.
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Honestly i don't get why Detroit is even interested at all.. They've got two solid interchangeable BIGs without the question marks that come along with Cousins. Why on earth do they move one for him? Makes no sense. And they will have to move one to get him. No way they can offer a better package of smalls then the Celts.
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Honestly i don't get why Detroit is even interested at all.. They've got two solid interchangeable BIGs without the question marks that come along with Cousins. Why on earth do they move one for him? Makes no sense. And they will have to move one to get him. No way they can offer a better package of smalls then the Celts.
Unless they really want Tyreke Evans in the deal together with Cousins. Then I could maybe see them having a reason to risk trading Monroe and Prince for Cousins and Evans for example. Evans and Stuckey are pretty much interchangeable though.
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I think either Drummond or Monroe for Cousins is a fair offer.
Yes, Drummond has lots of potential but he is also very raw and has to a lot to learn. Consequently, there is a fair bit of risk with him. One could just as easily see him struggle to develop and end up a DeAndre Jordan type as push on and become an All-Star caliber big man.
Greg Monroe is nowhere near as talented as Cousins. But Monroe is a young, steady, and productive big man with some potential to him. So if they wanted to get rid of Cousins, Monroe is a solid get for Sacramento.
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What i like about Cousins being the target for the celts is that, they won't have alot of competitors dying to trade for him.
Sac couldn't care less who they trade to, as long as they get good in return. Det i think is crazy to want Cousins. I mean what is the diff between sac and det? Both losing teams filled mainly with a bunch of young players. The losing will likely continue and cousins remain frustrated.
The celts on the other hand have dealt with guys like Cousins before and got these kinds of players to focus on winning. Guys like nate robinson, big baby as examples.
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Everyone forgot one thing. This trade will not happen unless Cousins is on board with coming here. If he's gonna be a petulant child there's no chance of him coming here. Danny is not that stupid. So the ball is in his court essentially. Chris Paul made it very clear he wanted no part of Boston. And the trade never happened. That's a big piece no one is mentioning.
The other thing that needs to be looked at is the more he sulks and acts up the lower his value drops. The Kings are on the clock. They need to make a move because this wont end well for them if they stand put. So Demarcus or his agent if your reading this keep up the petulant child act. And do your part. The nastier you make it the less we have to give up. Welcome to Boston!
I just don't see Cousins not wanting to come to Boston and play for Doc Rivers and a winning franchise. The guy has his flaws, but he wants to win, and there are not many better situations for him to win.
I completely agree that i don't see him nixing a trade to Boston. But in this days NBA, players do have that type of leverage. Chris Paul was my example. So it does/can happen. I agree i think it's unlikely but we can't overlook it. At the end of the day the kid has to WANT to come here.
Chris paul was a max player, just like Dwight Howard and Melo. That gives them a lot more leverage than a guy with 2 years left on his rookie contract...
I agree. But we're not exactly talking about the normal guy on their rookie contract. Cousins clearly comes with a big personality. To me he seems like he could care less what type of contract he's on. If he doesn't want to be some place he will make it difficult. I want the guy as much as anyone on the blog but we can't overlook what Cousins wants. If he's gonna come here and pout and pull the same stuff with the same attitude there's no point to bring him here at all. Just my personal opinion. So i think we had better make sure he is on board first. My gut tells me he is all about winning and a lot of his issues stem from him being a competitive player which if it's the case meshes well with our team and town. But that's just my guess.
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what I continue to see overlooked by everyone clamoring to get DMC is this: having brought in a number of veterans this year, there has been an undeniable issue with these experienced players picking up the defensive schemes as well as Doc's inability to utilize their offensive skills effectively.
So, knowing that Doc is still our coach, how can people reasonably expect this 'problem child' to step in and pick up the same defensive schemes any better than the vets we have AND why do people think Doc is suddenly going to start using his players more effectively on offense?
I think the team needs a good big man but TBH, I think this kid would only be a future building block and effectively punt any championship this season.
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After January 15th this works:
Boston sends Green and Bradley
Boston receives Cousins and Salmons
Utah sends Milsap
Utah receives Green and Bradley
Sacramento sends Cousins and Salmons
Sacramento receives Milsap
Wow. TP.
So Sac trades Cousins( a legit 6'11/7ft with loads of potential) for and undersized PF who is 5 years older and has already reached his peak of a 15/8 ? Just don't see Sacramento being interested in that.
The Kings are desperate for a change in culture and some veteran leadership. I think they've recognized that they need a quality vet or two around while grooming their young talent.
They also unload the Salmons contract.
And say whatever you want about Cousins' potential, but he is almost certainly done playing for that team and everyone in the league knows it. His value is low.
Milsap is a very high-quality player, one of the 10 or 15 best PFs in the game by any measure, he's 27, and he's missed a total of 14 games in a seven-year career. He is the ultimate low-risk acquisition.
The Jazz might also move Jefferson, if you think he's more attractive. Both he and Milsap are free agents this summer, and at least one needs to go given the Favors/Kanter situation.
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After January 15th this works:
Boston sends Green and Bradley
Boston receives Cousins and Salmons
Utah sends Milsap
Utah receives Green and Bradley
Sacramento sends Cousins and Salmons
Sacramento receives Milsap
Wow. TP.
So Sac trades Cousins( a legit 6'11/7ft with loads of potential) for and undersized PF who is 5 years older and has already reached his peak of a 15/8 ? Just don't see Sacramento being interested in that.
The Kings are desperate for a change in culture and some veteran leadership. I think they've recognized that they need a quality vet or two around while grooming their young talent.
They also unload the Salmons contract.
And say whatever you want about Cousins' potential, but he is almost certainly done playing for that team and everyone in the league knows it. His value is low.
Milsap is a very high-quality player, one of the 10 or 15 best PFs in the game by any measure, he's 27, and he's missed a total of 14 games in a seven-year career. He is the ultimate low-risk acquisition.
The Jazz might also move Jefferson, if you think he's more attractive. Both he and Milsap are free agents this summer, and at least one needs to go given the Favors/Kanter situation.
I can't see Sacramento rating Millsap that highly with the next-Paul Millsap already on their roster in Thomas Robinson.
I do agree that is a solid trade offer for Cousins though. I consider Millsap a top ten PF in the league at the moment. Very professional. Does whatever his team asks of him. Only cares about winning. A type of guy that would fit what they are looking for. They'd like someone a bit younger with a bit more upside to him but in terms of established vets (for Cousins), I think Millsap scores well.
Just too much of an overlap there with Thomas Robinson for me. Writing off two talented young bigs (T-Rob, Cousins) for a guy in Millsap who doesn't really warrant that type of an investment.
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After January 15th this works:
Boston sends Green and Bradley
Boston receives Cousins and Salmons
Utah sends Milsap
Utah receives Green and Bradley
Sacramento sends Cousins and Salmons
Sacramento receives Milsap
Wow. TP.
So Sac trades Cousins( a legit 6'11/7ft with loads of potential) for and undersized PF who is 5 years older and has already reached his peak of a 15/8 ? Just don't see Sacramento being interested in that.
The Kings are desperate for a change in culture and some veteran leadership. I think they've recognized that they need a quality vet or two around while grooming their young talent.
They also unload the Salmons contract.
And say whatever you want about Cousins' potential, but he is almost certainly done playing for that team and everyone in the league knows it. His value is low.
Milsap is a very high-quality player, one of the 10 or 15 best PFs in the game by any measure, he's 27, and he's missed a total of 14 games in a seven-year career. He is the ultimate low-risk acquisition.
The Jazz might also move Jefferson, if you think he's more attractive. Both he and Milsap are free agents this summer, and at least one needs to go given the Favors/Kanter situation.
I can't see Sacramento rating Millsap that highly with the next-Paul Millsap already on their roster in Thomas Robinson.
I do agree that is a solid trade offer for Cousins though. I consider Millsap a top ten PF in the league at the moment. Very professional. Does whatever his team asks of him. Only cares about winning. A type of guy that would fit what they are looking for. They'd like someone a bit younger with a bit more upside to him but in terms of established vets (for Cousins), I think Millsap scores well.
Just too much of an overlap there with Thomas Robinson for me. Writing off two talented young bigs (T-Rob, Cousins) for a guy in Millsap who doesn't really warrant that type of an investment.
I'd agree except that T-Rob has looked totally lost out there. He looks two years away from being a high-level player.
And I actually think having him on the roster is all the more reason to bring in Milsap as a mentor. You can always sign Milsap to a 3-4 year deal and then trade him in year 3, once Robinson is ready.
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cousins respects rondo and KG lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-wbrYhdHxg
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And say whatever you want about Cousins' potential, but he is almost certainly done playing for that team and everyone in the league knows it. His value is low.
I agree.
Cousins has no future in Sac, it just isn't going to work there. It doesn't mean Cousins couldn't turn it around elsewhere, though.
Teams don't give up the farm for this sort of risk, so I definitely think the C's have a decent chance at getting him. We have enough parts to get him, it just depends on whether other teams are willing to offer more. I'm not so certain such a team exists.
I highly doubt Detroit is willing to give up either Drummond or Monroe. I think it would be foolish. Without either of those two, we have better pieces to offer.
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After January 15th this works:
Boston sends Green and Bradley
Boston receives Cousins and Salmons
Utah sends Milsap
Utah receives Green and Bradley
Sacramento sends Cousins and Salmons
Sacramento receives Milsap
Wow. TP.
So Sac trades Cousins( a legit 6'11/7ft with loads of potential) for and undersized PF who is 5 years older and has already reached his peak of a 15/8 ? Just don't see Sacramento being interested in that.
The Kings are desperate for a change in culture and some veteran leadership. I think they've recognized that they need a quality vet or two around while grooming their young talent.
They also unload the Salmons contract.
And say whatever you want about Cousins' potential, but he is almost certainly done playing for that team and everyone in the league knows it. His value is low.
Milsap is a very high-quality player, one of the 10 or 15 best PFs in the game by any measure, he's 27, and he's missed a total of 14 games in a seven-year career. He is the ultimate low-risk acquisition.
The Jazz might also move Jefferson, if you think he's more attractive. Both he and Milsap are free agents this summer, and at least one needs to go given the Favors/Kanter situation.
I can't see Sacramento rating Millsap that highly with the next-Paul Millsap already on their roster in Thomas Robinson.
I do agree that is a solid trade offer for Cousins though. I consider Millsap a top ten PF in the league at the moment. Very professional. Does whatever his team asks of him. Only cares about winning. A type of guy that would fit what they are looking for. They'd like someone a bit younger with a bit more upside to him but in terms of established vets (for Cousins), I think Millsap scores well.
Just too much of an overlap there with Thomas Robinson for me. Writing off two talented young bigs (T-Rob, Cousins) for a guy in Millsap who doesn't really warrant that type of an investment.
I'd agree except that T-Rob has looked totally lost out there. He looks two years away from being a high-level player.
And I actually think having him on the roster is all the more reason to bring in Milsap as a mentor. You can always sign Milsap to a 3-4 year deal and then trade him in year 3, once Robinson is ready.
Wasn't Robinson supposed to be one of the most NBA ready players in the past draft? What happened to him?
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After January 15th this works:
Boston sends Green and Bradley
Boston receives Cousins and Salmons
Utah sends Milsap
Utah receives Green and Bradley
Sacramento sends Cousins and Salmons
Sacramento receives Milsap
Wow. TP.
So Sac trades Cousins( a legit 6'11/7ft with loads of potential) for and undersized PF who is 5 years older and has already reached his peak of a 15/8 ? Just don't see Sacramento being interested in that.
The Kings are desperate for a change in culture and some veteran leadership. I think they've recognized that they need a quality vet or two around while grooming their young talent.
They also unload the Salmons contract.
And say whatever you want about Cousins' potential, but he is almost certainly done playing for that team and everyone in the league knows it. His value is low.
Milsap is a very high-quality player, one of the 10 or 15 best PFs in the game by any measure, he's 27, and he's missed a total of 14 games in a seven-year career. He is the ultimate low-risk acquisition.
The Jazz might also move Jefferson, if you think he's more attractive. Both he and Milsap are free agents this summer, and at least one needs to go given the Favors/Kanter situation.
I can't see Sacramento rating Millsap that highly with the next-Paul Millsap already on their roster in Thomas Robinson.
I do agree that is a solid trade offer for Cousins though. I consider Millsap a top ten PF in the league at the moment. Very professional. Does whatever his team asks of him. Only cares about winning. A type of guy that would fit what they are looking for. They'd like someone a bit younger with a bit more upside to him but in terms of established vets (for Cousins), I think Millsap scores well.
Just too much of an overlap there with Thomas Robinson for me. Writing off two talented young bigs (T-Rob, Cousins) for a guy in Millsap who doesn't really warrant that type of an investment.
I'd agree except that T-Rob has looked totally lost out there. He looks two years away from being a high-level player.
And I actually think having him on the roster is all the more reason to bring in Milsap as a mentor. You can always sign Milsap to a 3-4 year deal and then trade him in year 3, once Robinson is ready.
Wasn't Robinson supposed to be one of the most NBA ready players in the past draft? What happened to him?
He's on the Kings.
This is the issue. They have no veteran leadership, and no strong culture coming from the front office, to give guys like Evans, Cousins, Robinson an environment in which they can develop.
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After January 15th this works:
Boston sends Green and Bradley
Boston receives Cousins and Salmons
Utah sends Milsap
Utah receives Green and Bradley
Sacramento sends Cousins and Salmons
Sacramento receives Milsap
Wow. TP.
So Sac trades Cousins( a legit 6'11/7ft with loads of potential) for and undersized PF who is 5 years older and has already reached his peak of a 15/8 ? Just don't see Sacramento being interested in that.
The Kings are desperate for a change in culture and some veteran leadership. I think they've recognized that they need a quality vet or two around while grooming their young talent.
They also unload the Salmons contract.
And say whatever you want about Cousins' potential, but he is almost certainly done playing for that team and everyone in the league knows it. His value is low.
Milsap is a very high-quality player, one of the 10 or 15 best PFs in the game by any measure, he's 27, and he's missed a total of 14 games in a seven-year career. He is the ultimate low-risk acquisition.
The Jazz might also move Jefferson, if you think he's more attractive. Both he and Milsap are free agents this summer, and at least one needs to go given the Favors/Kanter situation.
I can't see Sacramento rating Millsap that highly with the next-Paul Millsap already on their roster in Thomas Robinson.
I do agree that is a solid trade offer for Cousins though. I consider Millsap a top ten PF in the league at the moment. Very professional. Does whatever his team asks of him. Only cares about winning. A type of guy that would fit what they are looking for. They'd like someone a bit younger with a bit more upside to him but in terms of established vets (for Cousins), I think Millsap scores well.
Just too much of an overlap there with Thomas Robinson for me. Writing off two talented young bigs (T-Rob, Cousins) for a guy in Millsap who doesn't really warrant that type of an investment.
I'd agree except that T-Rob has looked totally lost out there. He looks two years away from being a high-level player.
And I actually think having him on the roster is all the more reason to bring in Milsap as a mentor. You can always sign Milsap to a 3-4 year deal and then trade him in year 3, once Robinson is ready.
Wasn't Robinson supposed to be one of the most NBA ready players in the past draft? What happened to him?
nothing happened. he's a rookie whos still developing.
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After January 15th this works:
Boston sends Green and Bradley
Boston receives Cousins and Salmons
Utah sends Milsap
Utah receives Green and Bradley
Sacramento sends Cousins and Salmons
Sacramento receives Milsap
Wow. TP.
So Sac trades Cousins( a legit 6'11/7ft with loads of potential) for and undersized PF who is 5 years older and has already reached his peak of a 15/8 ? Just don't see Sacramento being interested in that.
The Kings are desperate for a change in culture and some veteran leadership. I think they've recognized that they need a quality vet or two around while grooming their young talent.
They also unload the Salmons contract.
And say whatever you want about Cousins' potential, but he is almost certainly done playing for that team and everyone in the league knows it. His value is low.
Milsap is a very high-quality player, one of the 10 or 15 best PFs in the game by any measure, he's 27, and he's missed a total of 14 games in a seven-year career. He is the ultimate low-risk acquisition.
The Jazz might also move Jefferson, if you think he's more attractive. Both he and Milsap are free agents this summer, and at least one needs to go given the Favors/Kanter situation.
I can't see Sacramento rating Millsap that highly with the next-Paul Millsap already on their roster in Thomas Robinson.
I do agree that is a solid trade offer for Cousins though. I consider Millsap a top ten PF in the league at the moment. Very professional. Does whatever his team asks of him. Only cares about winning. A type of guy that would fit what they are looking for. They'd like someone a bit younger with a bit more upside to him but in terms of established vets (for Cousins), I think Millsap scores well.
Just too much of an overlap there with Thomas Robinson for me. Writing off two talented young bigs (T-Rob, Cousins) for a guy in Millsap who doesn't really warrant that type of an investment.
I'd agree except that T-Rob has looked totally lost out there. He looks two years away from being a high-level player.
And I actually think having him on the roster is all the more reason to bring in Milsap as a mentor. You can always sign Milsap to a 3-4 year deal and then trade him in year 3, once Robinson is ready.
Wasn't Robinson supposed to be one of the most NBA ready players in the past draft? What happened to him?
He's on the Kings.
This is the issue. They have no veteran leadership, and no strong culture coming from the front office, to give guys like Evans, Cousins, Robinson an environment in which they can develop.
Yea, I guess this makes sense. None of their rookies seem to be working out. They desperately need some vets to set a good example over there.
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After January 15th this works:
Boston sends Green and Bradley
Boston receives Cousins and Salmons
Utah sends Milsap
Utah receives Green and Bradley
Sacramento sends Cousins and Salmons
Sacramento receives Milsap
Wow. TP.
So Sac trades Cousins( a legit 6'11/7ft with loads of potential) for and undersized PF who is 5 years older and has already reached his peak of a 15/8 ? Just don't see Sacramento being interested in that.
The Kings are desperate for a change in culture and some veteran leadership. I think they've recognized that they need a quality vet or two around while grooming their young talent.
They also unload the Salmons contract.
And say whatever you want about Cousins' potential, but he is almost certainly done playing for that team and everyone in the league knows it. His value is low.
Milsap is a very high-quality player, one of the 10 or 15 best PFs in the game by any measure, he's 27, and he's missed a total of 14 games in a seven-year career. He is the ultimate low-risk acquisition.
The Jazz might also move Jefferson, if you think he's more attractive. Both he and Milsap are free agents this summer, and at least one needs to go given the Favors/Kanter situation.
I can't see Sacramento rating Millsap that highly with the next-Paul Millsap already on their roster in Thomas Robinson.
I do agree that is a solid trade offer for Cousins though. I consider Millsap a top ten PF in the league at the moment. Very professional. Does whatever his team asks of him. Only cares about winning. A type of guy that would fit what they are looking for. They'd like someone a bit younger with a bit more upside to him but in terms of established vets (for Cousins), I think Millsap scores well.
Just too much of an overlap there with Thomas Robinson for me. Writing off two talented young bigs (T-Rob, Cousins) for a guy in Millsap who doesn't really warrant that type of an investment.
I'd agree except that T-Rob has looked totally lost out there. He looks two years away from being a high-level player.
And I actually think having him on the roster is all the more reason to bring in Milsap as a mentor. You can always sign Milsap to a 3-4 year deal and then trade him in year 3, once Robinson is ready.
Wasn't Robinson supposed to be one of the most NBA ready players in the past draft? What happened to him?
Weak jump shot and can't finish amongst the trees in the paint.
He needs some time to figure out how to be effective offensively against NBA caliber athletes / defenders + to continue to develop his defense.
I think T.Robinson is doing okay. It's going to take some time but I don't think there is any reason to lose belief in him yet. Kings coaching staff keep praising his work ethic, coach-ability, professionalism plus plays with great hustle / energy / desire. The Kings are high on him. They like his ability to develop and become the player they need him to be.
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After January 15th this works:
Boston sends Green and Bradley
Boston receives Cousins and Salmons
Utah sends Milsap
Utah receives Green and Bradley
Sacramento sends Cousins and Salmons
Sacramento receives Milsap
Wow. TP.
So Sac trades Cousins( a legit 6'11/7ft with loads of potential) for and undersized PF who is 5 years older and has already reached his peak of a 15/8 ? Just don't see Sacramento being interested in that.
The Kings are desperate for a change in culture and some veteran leadership. I think they've recognized that they need a quality vet or two around while grooming their young talent.
They also unload the Salmons contract.
And say whatever you want about Cousins' potential, but he is almost certainly done playing for that team and everyone in the league knows it. His value is low.
Milsap is a very high-quality player, one of the 10 or 15 best PFs in the game by any measure, he's 27, and he's missed a total of 14 games in a seven-year career. He is the ultimate low-risk acquisition.
The Jazz might also move Jefferson, if you think he's more attractive. Both he and Milsap are free agents this summer, and at least one needs to go given the Favors/Kanter situation.
I can't see Sacramento rating Millsap that highly with the next-Paul Millsap already on their roster in Thomas Robinson.
I do agree that is a solid trade offer for Cousins though. I consider Millsap a top ten PF in the league at the moment. Very professional. Does whatever his team asks of him. Only cares about winning. A type of guy that would fit what they are looking for. They'd like someone a bit younger with a bit more upside to him but in terms of established vets (for Cousins), I think Millsap scores well.
Just too much of an overlap there with Thomas Robinson for me. Writing off two talented young bigs (T-Rob, Cousins) for a guy in Millsap who doesn't really warrant that type of an investment.
I'd agree except that T-Rob has looked totally lost out there. He looks two years away from being a high-level player.
And I actually think having him on the roster is all the more reason to bring in Milsap as a mentor. You can always sign Milsap to a 3-4 year deal and then trade him in year 3, once Robinson is ready.
Wasn't Robinson supposed to be one of the most NBA ready players in the past draft? What happened to him?
nothing happened. he's a rookie whos still developing.
He was supposed to be the most NBA ready of the rookie big men and he looks the worst so far though. I guess it really is lack of veteran leadership on that team. Their coach is terrible too.
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cousins respects rondo and KG lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-wbrYhdHxg
Meh, I seem to recall reading somewhere that Perk and KG didn't particularly have great affinity for each other prior to KG coming here (maybe I'm mis-remembering?).
Besides, I don't really see anything in that video that shows concrete proof there is any serious beef that exists. Didn't Rondo and Cousins play together during the lockout with a group of ex-Kentucky players? Anyone know how well it did or didn't go?
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After January 15th this works:
Boston sends Green and Bradley
Boston receives Cousins and Salmons
Utah sends Milsap
Utah receives Green and Bradley
Sacramento sends Cousins and Salmons
Sacramento receives Milsap
Wow. TP.
So Sac trades Cousins( a legit 6'11/7ft with loads of potential) for and undersized PF who is 5 years older and has already reached his peak of a 15/8 ? Just don't see Sacramento being interested in that.
The Kings are desperate for a change in culture and some veteran leadership. I think they've recognized that they need a quality vet or two around while grooming their young talent.
They also unload the Salmons contract.
And say whatever you want about Cousins' potential, but he is almost certainly done playing for that team and everyone in the league knows it. His value is low.
Milsap is a very high-quality player, one of the 10 or 15 best PFs in the game by any measure, he's 27, and he's missed a total of 14 games in a seven-year career. He is the ultimate low-risk acquisition.
The Jazz might also move Jefferson, if you think he's more attractive. Both he and Milsap are free agents this summer, and at least one needs to go given the Favors/Kanter situation.
I can't see Sacramento rating Millsap that highly with the next-Paul Millsap already on their roster in Thomas Robinson.
I do agree that is a solid trade offer for Cousins though. I consider Millsap a top ten PF in the league at the moment. Very professional. Does whatever his team asks of him. Only cares about winning. A type of guy that would fit what they are looking for. They'd like someone a bit younger with a bit more upside to him but in terms of established vets (for Cousins), I think Millsap scores well.
Just too much of an overlap there with Thomas Robinson for me. Writing off two talented young bigs (T-Rob, Cousins) for a guy in Millsap who doesn't really warrant that type of an investment.
I'd agree except that T-Rob has looked totally lost out there. He looks two years away from being a high-level player.
And I actually think having him on the roster is all the more reason to bring in Milsap as a mentor. You can always sign Milsap to a 3-4 year deal and then trade him in year 3, once Robinson is ready.
At a lower price, I agree.
At the cost of Cousins, I think Sacramento need someone with more of a long term future there.
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cousins respects rondo and KG lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-wbrYhdHxg
Meh, I seem to recall reading somewhere that Perk and KG didn't particularly have great affinity for each other prior to KG coming here (maybe I'm mis-remembering?).
Besides, I don't really see anything in that video that shows concrete proof there is any serious beef that exists. Didn't Rondo and Cousins play together during the lockout with a group of ex-Kentucky players? Anyone know how well it did or didn't go?
i was joking, I agree with everything you said
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And say whatever you want about Cousins' potential, but he is almost certainly done playing for that team and everyone in the league knows it. His value is low.
I disagree, I think Sacramento will keep Cousins longer and try to make it work.
I do think they will have a divorce at some stage down the road but I don't think that time is now.
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cousins respects rondo and KG lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-wbrYhdHxg
Meh, I seem to recall reading somewhere that Perk and KG didn't particularly have great affinity for each other prior to KG coming here (maybe I'm mis-remembering?).
Besides, I don't really see anything in that video that shows concrete proof there is any serious beef that exists. Didn't Rondo and Cousins play together during the lockout with a group of ex-Kentucky players? Anyone know how well it did or didn't go?
i was joking, I agree with everything you said
Oh, ok.
I guess I missed the humor.
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The Jazz might also move Jefferson, if you think he's more attractive. Both he and Milsap are free agents this summer, and at least one needs to go given the Favors/Kanter situation.
Favors or Kanter would be a good trade offer for Cousins.
I don't think Utah will take that type of a chance on a problematic character like Cousins though. They seem scared off by those types of projects.
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I'd agree except that T-Rob has looked totally lost out there. He looks two years away from being a high-level player.
And I actually think having him on the roster is all the more reason to bring in Milsap as a mentor. You can always sign Milsap to a 3-4 year deal and then trade him in year 3, once Robinson is ready.
At a lower price, I agree.
At the cost of Cousins, I think Sacramento need someone with more of a long term future there.
Yeah, but bringing in another high-potential rookie doesn't fix the fundamental problem. Ideally they would get someone who's a perennial All-Star, but I just don't think Cousins can bring that back.
Maybe they trade Cousins and Evans for someone like that. But who?
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And say whatever you want about Cousins' potential, but he is almost certainly done playing for that team and everyone in the league knows it. His value is low.
I disagree, I think Sacramento will keep Cousins longer and try to make it work.
I do think they will have a divorce at some stage down the road but I don't think that time is now.
Well, if we're all going to be honest, we will probably spend 30 pages speculating on this thread and about 500 other trade rumor threads. Then at the trade deadline our big move will be swapping a future second round pick for the rights to Furkan Aldemir.
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I'd agree except that T-Rob has looked totally lost out there. He looks two years away from being a high-level player.
And I actually think having him on the roster is all the more reason to bring in Milsap as a mentor. You can always sign Milsap to a 3-4 year deal and then trade him in year 3, once Robinson is ready.
At a lower price, I agree.
At the cost of Cousins, I think Sacramento need someone with more of a long term future there.
Yeah, but bringing in another high-potential rookie doesn't fix the fundamental problem. Ideally they would get someone who's a perennial All-Star, but I just don't think Cousins can bring that back.
Maybe they trade Cousins and Evans for someone like that. But who?
They missed out on James Harden. A pity (for Sacramento) that situation happened so early in the season. A trade package based around Cousins could have been very attractive to OKC. Harden would've been the perfect type of trade target = young, talented, already big impact player who can carry / lead a team.
I think Sacramento are best off sitting tight and waiting for the next star player to become available. Not enough options available at this moment in time.
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And say whatever you want about Cousins' potential, but he is almost certainly done playing for that team and everyone in the league knows it. His value is low.
I disagree, I think Sacramento will keep Cousins longer and try to make it work.
I do think they will have a divorce at some stage down the road but I don't think that time is now.
Well, if we're all going to be honest, we will probably spend 30 pages speculating on this thread and about 500 other trade rumor threads. Then at the trade deadline our big move will be swapping a future second round pick for the rights to Furkan Aldemir.
Haha, yeah, I'm not really expecting a major addition at this point. I think the odds are pretty low at that happening given the trade packages Danny has to offer. Maybe Danny gets lucky with somebody like Gortat in Phoenix but they're long odds on Danny acquiring an above average starting big man to borderline All-Star.
I am just hoping Danny can find a way to swap one or two of Bass, Green and/or Lee for a solid big man who can play defense and rebound. A strong backup center to a below average but solid starter. If Danny can find a way to add that, I think he'll have done a good job.
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And say whatever you want about Cousins' potential, but he is almost certainly done playing for that team and everyone in the league knows it. His value is low.
I disagree, I think Sacramento will keep Cousins longer and try to make it work.
I do think they will have a divorce at some stage down the road but I don't think that time is now.
Well, if we're all going to be honest, we will probably spend 30 pages speculating on this thread and about 500 other trade rumor threads. Then at the trade deadline our big move will be swapping a future second round pick for the rights to Furkan Aldemir.
Haha, yeah, I'm not really expecting a major addition at this point. I think the odds are pretty low at that happening given the trade packages Danny has to offer. Maybe Danny gets lucky with somebody like Gortat in Phoenix but they're long odds on Danny acquiring an above average starting big man to borderline All-Star.
I am just hoping Danny can find a way to swap one or two of Bass, Green and/or Lee for a solid big man who can play defense and rebound. A strong backup center to a below average but solid starter. If Danny can find a way to add that, I think he'll have done a good job.
My preferred scenario would be a combination of Bass, Barbosa, Joseph + picks. And I'm willing to part with Wilcox, Sully, Melo, Collins if needed be depending on the player, but I'd prefer to use any of the first 3 players.
Outside of Barbosa, I'd rather not touch our guard situation. When Bradley comes back, it should give us a very serious advantage in those positions against just about any team in the league in regards to both depth and quality of players we can throw in just about any situation, with a good combination of offensive and defensive punch 48 minutes long. I don't want to give that up in a trade to find a center. I'd rather just do cheap pick-up with the vet. min. or the bi-annual exception. It's an advantage we'll have for ourselves at the very least for the next 3 seasons.
And I've very skeptical about who we can add if we give away Green. Though inconsistent, I like what he brings, and when he's at the 3 and Pierce at the 2, it can be a powerful combo... one we don't always exploit effectively, but have done so better as of late when they're on the floor like that.
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what I continue to see overlooked by everyone clamoring to get DMC is this: having brought in a number of veterans this year, there has been an undeniable issue with these experienced players picking up the defensive schemes as well as Doc's inability to utilize their offensive skills effectively.
So, knowing that Doc is still our coach, how can people reasonably expect this 'problem child' to step in and pick up the same defensive schemes any better than the vets we have AND why do people think Doc is suddenly going to start using his players more effectively on offense?
I think the team needs a good big man but TBH, I think this kid would only be a future building block and effectively punt any championship this season.
Great point! There would definitely be a lack of cohesion if any big trade is made, but I think that is a huge problem with doc rivers coaching. More and more I beginning to believe he is very overrated. Doc has a lot of credibility because of the championship he won, but I think most of that credit should have been attributed to how well kg, pp, and Ray fit together. Fact is kg is the ultimate team player. He probably work well with any star player. Ray Allen had to sacrifice his game and maybe was never really used properly. Having said all that I belive a really good coach could have made the c's team that stayed this year come together better. Additionally, a really good coach like pop could bring cousins in and make him fit into the system effectively.
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what I continue to see overlooked by everyone clamoring to get DMC is this: having brought in a number of veterans this year, there has been an undeniable issue with these experienced players picking up the defensive schemes as well as Doc's inability to utilize their offensive skills effectively.
So, knowing that Doc is still our coach, how can people reasonably expect this 'problem child' to step in and pick up the same defensive schemes any better than the vets we have AND why do people think Doc is suddenly going to start using his players more effectively on offense?
I think the team needs a good big man but TBH, I think this kid would only be a future building block and effectively punt any championship this season.
Great point! There would definitely be a lack of cohesion if any big trade is made, but I think that is a huge problem with doc rivers coaching. More and more I beginning to believe he is very overrated. Doc has a lot of credibility because of the championship he won, but I think most of that credit should have been attributed to how well kg, pp, and Ray fit together. Fact is kg is the ultimate team player. He probably work well with any star player. Ray Allen had to sacrifice his game and maybe was never really used properly. Having said all that I belive a really good coach could have made the c's team that stayed this year come together better. Additionally, a really good coach like pop could bring cousins in and make him fit into the system effectively.
I don't think that's an issue at all. Doc has used veteran big men well when he had the chance. Shaq was very well incorporated and learned the defense just fine, and no one will accuse him of being a rocket scientist. Cousins is a smart player, he won't have trouble learning our defense. What he needs is strong leadership and maturity, which Doc, KG, and Paul will provide for him. Immature is very different from being stupid.
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Looking at the Kings roster, if they trade DMC they need to fill holes at C, SF, SG (if they give up on Jimmer) and PG. I don't see Sullinger being that valuable to them.
I think Boston would have to build a deal around Green, Bradley, Melo and picks, while taking back some bad contracts like Salmons, Hayes along with DMC. Not sure if that gets it done, especially if Detroit offers a guy like Monroe.
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I actually think a package built around Bradley + Melo + maybe Sully could intrigue Sacramento. Assuming they keep Tyreke Evans, a starting backcourt of Evans/Bradley could be incredibly dynamic.
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Looking at the Kings roster, if they trade DMC they need to fill holes at C, SF, SG (if they give up on Jimmer) and PG. I don't see Sullinger being that valuable to them.
I think Boston would have to build a deal around Green, Bradley, Melo and picks, while taking back some bad contracts like Salmons, Hayes along with DMC. Not sure if that gets it done, especially if Detroit offers a guy like Monroe.
I disagree. If they trade Cousins for Bradley, Sullinger, and Melo, they would have:
PG: Tyreke Evans, Aaron Brooks, Isiah Thomas
SG: Avery Bradley, Marcus Thorton, Jimmer Fridette
SF: James Johnson, John Salmons, Francisco Garcia
PF: Jared Sullinger, Thomas Robinson
Center: Jason Thompson, Fab Melo, Chuck Hayes
I don't see Detroit trading Monroe or Drummond for Cousins.
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Honestly, i don't even want this guy on the C's. Any center that routinely shoots less than 45 percent from the field, i do not want. All that "talent" he has, yet he can't put the ball in the hoop on a consistent basis. Hmmm...if the C's are going to make a trade hopefully it's for Varajao.
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The problem with all of the Cousins hype is that there is no reason for the Kings to trade him. I really can't see a situation unless they are getting a young all-star in return where it makes sense.
I know kookier things have happened in the NBA but I don't understand why the Kings would move a productive 22 year old center when he has 2+ years left on his rookie deal. They have 2 years to get competitive, fix their organization, get moved to Seattle (maybe) or draft a franchise player. From a rebuilding standpoint Cousins would have to be contagious to want to move. They aren't competing for anything this year and probably won't be next year. There is no reason to trade Cousins when his value is at an all-time low and you have years left on his rookie deal.
Which brings me to the major concern I have. The only two reasons the Kings could have to move Cousins this year would be front office stupidity or front office genius. It's possible that Cousins is so immature, so completely unsalvagable that moving him while there is any value would be preferable to waiting. That would only be the case because in time Cousin's value would plummet further when people found out that he is the Latrell Sprewell of centers; a really good player with absolutely no idea how to be a human being let alone a teammate.
For the record I think Cousins is worth it for us. I also think everyone who is saying the C's don't have an asset package worth Cousins are completely leaving out the fact that it's a risk for us to trade our only 3 young prospects for a guy who can't stay on the floor. I guess we can say KG "will fix his head" but I'm not certain of that. KG has a reputation of giving guys 1 chance. Does Demarcus Cousin see like the kind of guy that needs only one chance?
I guess my point is that there is a reason he's on the market. We're taking a risk. I keep seeing people leave that tidbit out.
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Honestly, i don't even want this guy on the C's. Any center that routinely shoots less than 45 percent from the field, i do not want. All that "talent" he has, yet he can't put the ball in the hoop on a consistent basis. Hmmm...if the C's are going to make a trade hopefully it's for Varajao.
While it's a red flag, look at a guy like Zach Randolph. He shot above 48.5% once in his career before joining Memphis. Since then, he's shot below 48.8% only once.
Sometimes, a system can improve a player's efficiency dramatically. Cousins is still very young, and hopefully, malleable.