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Around the League => Transaction Ideas and Rumors => Topic started by: Smitty77 on December 28, 2012, 07:15:23 PM
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We might have to throw in a future #1.
Washington might do this since, as someone pointed out in another topic, Martell Webster is having a nice year and is sort of redundant with Ariza. Ariza is shooting about a career low due to not really having a PG with Wall out.
Is this possible? I really like Ariza's length and defense, certainly more than Green's!!!
Smitty77
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I would love to have Ariza. Much more so than Jeff Green.
Ariza is an upgrade over Green.
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We might have to throw in a future #1.
Washington might do this since, as someone pointed out in another topic, Martell Webster is having a nice year and is sort of redundant with Ariza. Ariza is shooting about a career low due to not really having a PG with Wall out.
Is this possible? I really like Ariza's length and defense, certainly more than Green's!!!
Smitty77
I like it. It be nicer if we could somehow land Nene as well.
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I can't see Washington taking back all three of Bass, Green and Lee.
That is $21 million a year for the next 3 years and $16 million in the 4th year. Way too much payroll being tied up on role players for a rebuilding team like Washington.
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I can't see Washington taking back all three of Bass, Green and Lee.
That is $21 million a year for the next 3 years and $16 million in the 4th year. Way too much payroll being tied up on role players for a rebuilding team like Washington.
But they already have that much money committed to Okafor and Ariza for 2 of those 3-4 years anyways. And the 3 players are all pretty useful players, none of which terribly overpaid, that could be traded to any contending team in need of depth in the future.
And speaking of rebuilding, Jeff Green has the potential to be a reasonably good "rebuilding" piece. Certainly better rebuilding piece than Ariza or Okafor can be considered. Anything better than him, they aren't getting cheaply.
This trade kind of seems like a wash to me from Washington's perspective. I think a draft pick thrown in should seem like just enough to get it done. I think it makes a ton of sense for Boston too.
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kudos for at least coming up with a reasonable trade that addresses both the need for a big, and someone to replace JG behind PP. There have been a lot of trade JG ideas thrown out that didn't replace us with even a decent backup for PP.
I am not completely sold on Okafor, but I believe this trade would make us better as long as Ariza came to play and put forth the effort.
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I think we need a big who can help KG not only defensively but with scoring as well...okafor is offensively challenged...Nene perhaps would be a better fit...
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There are two reasons why Nene is not a better fit. He is very injury prone and he is owed $13 million next year, the year after, and the year after that I(ending in 2016). PP's contract ends in 2014 and KG in 2015. I cannot see Danny wanting to pay an over the hill Nene $13 million in 2015/2016.
Smitty77
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No.
When he's on Green is a much better offensive player than Ariza, but a worse defensive player. We'd be trading offense for defense, but off the bench I think we probably need offense more.
Okafor again is defensively oriented. He would start with KG, which would mean only Terry, Barbosa, Ariza, Sully and Wilcox off the bench.
Terry is fine but Wilcox only scores off lobs, while Sully, Barbosa and Ariza are ver inconsistent offensively.
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I would love to have Ariza. Much more so than Jeff Green.
Ariza is an upgrade over Green.
with the way Green has been playing hell Matt Barnes is an upgrade over him
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No Ariza please!!
as a former Rockets fan I can tell you Ariza has the worst ball handling skills among all SFs in the league.
when he's playing for Rockets he regularly produce 2/20 shoting stats..
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I would love to have Ariza. Much more so than Jeff Green.
Ariza is an upgrade over Green.
Oh cmon now (no disrespect). Ariza is playing like garbage the past two years. You really think he's an upgrade over Jeff Green???
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I would love to have Ariza. Much more so than Jeff Green.
Ariza is an upgrade over Green.
Oh cmon now (no disrespect). Ariza is playing like garbage the past two years. You really think he's an upgrade over Jeff Green???
I don't care that much about Ariza's field goal percentages. I think he is the type of player who's shooting goes into the tank when he is bad situations offensively but can shoot the ball to a serviceable degree when placed in a good situation. In other words, I think Ariza is a guy who will do a lot better (offensively) in a better environment so I am not worried that he has struggled in bad environments.
In an offense like the Triangle or Rick Adelman's where there is lots of movement and cutting (Ariza is an excellent cutter). Where Ariza can be involved. Where he can touch the ball and feel part of the game. He is not a good player when asked to stand in the corner and space the floor. That is not his game. Too weak a shooter for that.
I am a big admirer of Ariza's defense and possession creation skills. Very disruptive team defender. Excellent defensive range. Can cover PGs, SGs, SFs all at a very high level. Extremely athletic. Great at forcing turnovers. Solid rebounder.
I've always been a big fan of Ariza's. I consider him a middle of the pack starting SF. I'd rate Jeff Green a bit lower (high teens, early twenties = solid but below average starting SF).
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I would love to have Ariza. Much more so than Jeff Green.
Ariza is an upgrade over Green.
Oh cmon now (no disrespect). Ariza is playing like garbage the past two years. You really think he's an upgrade over Jeff Green???
I don't care that much about Ariza's field goal percentages. I think he is the type of player who's shooting goes into the tank when he is bad situations offensively but can shoot the ball to a serviceable degree when placed in a good situation. In other words, I think Ariza is a guy who will do a lot better (offensively) in a better environment so I am not worried that he has struggled in bad environments.
In an offense like the Triangle or Rick Adelman's where there is lots of movement and cutting (Ariza is an excellent cutter). Where Ariza can be involved. Where he can touch the ball and feel part of the game. He is not a good player when asked to stand in the corner and space the floor. That is not his game. Too weak a shooter for that.
I am a big admirer of Ariza's defense and possession creation skills. Very disruptive team defender. Excellent defensive range. Can cover PGs, SGs, SFs all at a very high level. Extremely athletic. Great at forcing turnovers. Solid rebounder.
I've always been a big fan of Ariza's. I consider him a middle of the pack starting SF. I'd rate Jeff Green a bit lower (high teens, early twenties = solid but below average starting SF).
Good point. I guess I'm holding on potential of Green which is why I think he's better.
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I think Green while not a better defender than Ariza, is good enough. Size wise, he's a plus. He has more offensive capablities than Ariza, he can post, shoot midrange and drive the lane. Let's remember Jeff Green in OKC was a really good player, borderline starter. The problem is if we get that Green back.
But I like your Ariza points.
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Let's remember Jeff Green in OKC was a really good player, borderline starter. The problem is if we get that Green back.
Green started 261 of 289 games for OKC. That isn't "borderline starter." He's wasn't "really good" there either. His stats were at or below the league average for his position and minutes.
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I think Trevor Ariza would be a very good player for the Celtics right now.
His elite athleticism and high level defense would be a great addition to the team. In addition to Bradley's return, I think that would give the Celtics a major boost defensively and help get them back to play defense at a very high level.
They'd still need to find KG some more help in the paint defensively and on the backboards to complete the defensive turnaround. Maybe sign Chris Andersen and Kenyon Martin to reinforce that interior defense as well.
I would welcome a Trevor Ariza for Jeff Green swap.
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Yes, all Green did in his three years in OKC, was put up these averages: 15.6 points, 6.1 rebounds, 1.8 assists, 1 steal, and .6 blocks. He shot 44.5%, 34.2% from long distance, and 78.2% at the line.
But, he "wasn't really good there!!!":-))))))))))
Did I mention that two of those three years won 50 or more games???
Smitty77
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He isn't doing that now though is he? The NBA is a "what have you done for me lately" league.
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Tough one to decide on, but with alot of money on both sides of contracts, neither team would do it
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Yes, all Green did in his three years in OKC, was put up these averages: 15.6 points, 6.1 rebounds, 1.8 assists, 1 steal, and .6 blocks. He shot 44.5%, 34.2% from long distance, and 78.2% at the line.
But, he "wasn't really good there!!!":-))))))))))
Did I mention that two of those three years won 50 or more games???
Smitty77
Yes, and he also did that playing with the biggest ball hog of a point guard you can find. People need to give Green time, he missed an entire year from the NBA, and it's not like he was playing ball in china, he was laid up after heart surgery.
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Bad idea.
I'm not too impressed a all with any of the players we'd be sending out, but would not give them up for Okafor and Ariza.
As little value as those three have, they could likely get better return than that.
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Bad idea.
I'm not too impressed a all with any of the players we'd be sending out, but would not give them up for Okafor and Ariza.
As little value as those three have, they could likely get better return than that.
I disagree. Okafor and Ariza are both excellent defensively, something the Celtics, and Doc, value a lot more than most NBA teams. I would love to have both of them on this team, and I think them in combination with a returning Bradley would vault us back to THE elite defensive team.
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Ariza sucks. Plain and simple. No thanks.
Okafor would be an upgrade over what we have, but I would give up no more than Green and Melo.