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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: vinnie on December 28, 2012, 01:24:05 AM
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Embarrassing. Game 28 and they just played their worst game of the season. Astoundingly bad. Lamar Odom with 13 rebounds. Matt Barnes with 5 three-pointers. And so on. A shake up is on the horizon.
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Need a starting center. Collins playing 17 minutes and recording 1 stat (a rebound) isn't going to cut it. On a team with too much depth, Collins is now playing 20 minutes a game? I don't get it doc.
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The Milwaukee game. The loss to Chicago. Houston. Now the Clippers.
This is the 4th really bad loss in 7 games. They haven't just been losses but wretched losses. A bunch of really awful performances.
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Need a starting center. Collins playing 17 minutes and recording 1 stat (a rebound) isn't going to cut it. On a team with too much depth, Collins is now playing 20 minutes a game? I don't get it doc.
Hey, Collins also had a turnover and 3 fouls. ;D
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The Milwaukee game. The loss to Chicago. Houston. Now the Clippers.
This is the 4th really bad loss in 7 games. They haven't just been losses but wretched losses. A bunch of really awful performances.
And the Spurs.
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It's simple they stink. KG and PP are just old. Rondo is the only star on the team. The role players can't carry the team. they need another guy that can carry a team. We're just an average OK team at this point
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It's simple they stink. KG and PP are just old. Rondo is the only star on the team. The role players can't carry the team. they need another guy that can carry a team. We're just an average OK team at this point
KG and Paul Pierce are the best players on the team right now. Pierce was eight in the NBA in scoring yesterday. What we need is someone to play defense.
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The Milwaukee game. The loss to Chicago. Houston. Now the Clippers.
This is the 4th really bad loss in 7 games. They haven't just been losses but wretched losses. A bunch of really awful performances.
And the Spurs.
I don't mind the Spurs loss. 5 losses in 7. But the performance was solid. They just didn't shoot the ball that well that night but they were getting good shots. Spurs were lights out all night.
The other four were just terrible efforts.
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I know. They were tired because they had to take a long flight. Another 1-game winning streak down the drain.
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Need a starting center. Collins playing 17 minutes and recording 1 stat (a rebound) isn't going to cut it. On a team with too much depth, Collins is now playing 20 minutes a game? I don't get it doc.
I want Bass back in there. He is the only big man on the team outside of KG that I remotely trust with regular minutes.
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Hope you're reading, Danny.
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Hope you're reading, Danny.
Yeah, Danny. Don't forget your magic wand. And the pointy hat.
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Hey.....we're a second half team ;)
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This team is clearly not a contender right now.
The Clippers hammered that message home pretty clearly.
I don't know how much of this AB can fix, some moves have to be made.
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Brandon Bass has been the worst Celtic by far this year. They guy can't make a decision without hesitating first. Watching him get a rebound and hold the ball and hesitate making the outlet pass is infuriating. The only positive to his game was the midrange jumper which is nowhere to be found this year. He's laid up so many bricks this year its unbelievable. He has no moves, is a terrible passer and not a smart player. I can't believe he's regressed so much this year. At least last year he was pretty money from midrange.
Bass, Lee and Green have been dreadful this year. But Bass has been a notch above the rest as far as awfulness goes.
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Need a starting center. Collins playing 17 minutes and recording 1 stat (a rebound) isn't going to cut it. On a team with too much depth, Collins is now playing 20 minutes a game? I don't get it doc.
I want Bass back in there. He is the only big man on the team outside of KG that I remotely trust with regular minutes.
He's been so bad this season though. Not hitting the J, extremely hesitant/tentative, bad rebounding, late rotations.
Not like I'm happy with the other options but I've lost my trust in Bass.
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This team right now is just dysfunctional.
Bass has completely fallen off a cliff, Courtney Lee has no-showed, Jeff is shaping up to be the comeback that never was, our frontcourt depth is a joke. As far as the main 3 - KG is 36, he is what he is now. Paul can be so frustrating at times when he goes into hero mode, and Rondo isn't suddenly going to morph into the transcendent talent like some think he well.
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TONIGHTS EFFORT
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I missed the first few minutes of the first due to that stupid overtime game between the Thunder and the Mavs. They were already down fourteen by the time I started watching.
It was a 15 point game after three, I then missed the beginning of the fourth, and we were down 25 by the time I started watching again. So, by my calculations, we only lost by four during the stretch that I saw.
And, I actually liked the effort I saw during those forty minutes or so that I caught. We didn't look all that great, but I thought the guys fought hard.
Disappointed in the end of the bench crew that was out there to finish the game. Didn't think they closed it out with pride.
Loved the hard foul from Sully on Griffin. I had no problem with the flagrant one; right call. At first glance, it looked to me like Blake was complaining that the refs were contemplating even calling anything more than a regular, run of the mill hard foul. It appeared to me that he was saying something along the lines of; "I'm good ref. Just a hard foul."
I can't stand Chris Paul, but I wouldn't mind finding a way to get Big Ginger in Green.
That Clips team looks nasty. I could find myself rooting for them to come out of the West.
I don't really see a trade that will help what ails us right now. I think the improvement needs to come from within.
I still see it coming.
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Hope you're reading, Danny.
Yeah, Danny. Don't forget your magic wand. And the pointy hat.
Goodness you're sassy. Can't a fan just blame his scapegoat in peace?
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This team right now is just dysfunctional.
Bass has completely fallen off a cliff, Courtney Lee has no-showed, Jeff is shaping up to be the comeback that never was, our frontcourt depth is a joke. As far as the main 3 - KG is 36, he is what he is now. Paul can be so frustrating at times when he goes into hero mode, and Rondo isn't suddenly going to morph into the transcendent talent like some think he well.
Rondo has taken too many nights off, when he was supposed to be up there in MVP voting this year. It's really tough to watch, especially as one of his biggest supporters. If things don't go his way, he gets into such a stubborn mode.
I honestly can't believe Brandon Bass has been this putrid. Jeff Green, is a guy who has had a negative +/- number every single year of his career, I wasn't expecting him to be a difference maker. Never would have thought Courtney Lee would be this bad. Thats about 20mil/year right there. Danny is going to have to work some magic, because this is a bad situation. Real bad.
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Need a starting center. Collins playing 17 minutes and recording 1 stat (a rebound) isn't going to cut it. On a team with too much depth, Collins is now playing 20 minutes a game? I don't get it doc.
I want Bass back in there. He is the only big man on the team outside of KG that I remotely trust with regular minutes.
He's been so bad this season though. Not hitting the J, extremely hesitant/tentative, bad rebounding, late rotations.
Not like I'm happy with the other options but I've lost my trust in Bass.
Bass has been knocking down 46% of his long two point jump shots. That is one of the best rates in the league for big men. He is doing his job.
I think Bass' defense and rebounding is pretty similar to what it was last season. His defense is just more exposed without Bradley out there alongside him. But for me, it's pretty much in line with what Bass was doing last season.
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I missed the first few minutes of the first due to that stupid overtime game between the Thunder and the Mavs. They were already down fourteen by the time I started watching.
It was a 15 point game after three, I then missed the beginning of the fourth, and we were down 25 by the time I started watching again. So, by my calculations, we only lost by four during the stretch that I saw.
And, I actually liked the effort I saw during those forty minutes or so that I caught. We didn't look all that great, but I thought the guys fought hard.
Disappointed in the end of the bench crew that was out there to finish the game. Didn't think they closed it out with pride.
Loved the hard foul from Sully on Griffin. I had no problem with the flagrant one; right call. At first glance, it looked to me like Blake was complaining that the refs were contemplating even calling anything more than a regular, run of the mill hard foul. It appeared to me that he was saying something along the lines of; "I'm good ref. Just a hard foul."
I can't stand Chris Paul, but I wouldn't mind finding a way to get Big Ginger in Green.
That Clips team looks nasty. I could find myself rooting for them to come out of the West.
I don't really see a trade that will help what ails us right now. I think the improvement needs to come from within.
I still see it coming.
I have to ask. What have you seen in the last few weeks that says they are going to get better? They have lost 5 out of 7 games and they have played horribly in 4 of those losses. What am I missing?
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I missed the first few minutes of the first due to that stupid overtime game between the Thunder and the Mavs. They were already down fourteen by the time I started watching.
It was a 15 point game after three, I then missed the beginning of the fourth, and we were down 25 by the time I started watching again. So, by my calculations, we only lost by four during the stretch that I saw.
And, I actually liked the effort I saw during those forty minutes or so that I caught. We didn't look all that great, but I thought the guys fought hard.
Disappointed in the end of the bench crew that was out there to finish the game. Didn't think they closed it out with pride.
Loved the hard foul from Sully on Griffin. I had no problem with the flagrant one; right call. At first glance, it looked to me like Blake was complaining that the refs were contemplating even calling anything more than a regular, run of the mill hard foul. It appeared to me that he was saying something along the lines of; "I'm good ref. Just a hard foul."
I can't stand Chris Paul, but I wouldn't mind finding a way to get Big Ginger in Green.
That Clips team looks nasty. I could find myself rooting for them to come out of the West.
I don't really see a trade that will help what ails us right now. I think the improvement needs to come from within.
I still see it coming.
I have to ask. What have you seen in the last few weeks that says they are going to get better? They have lost 5 out of 7 games and they have played horribly in 4 of those losses. What am I missing?
It's hard to pinpoint right now. I'll get back to you.
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This team right now is just dysfunctional.
Bass has completely fallen off a cliff, Courtney Lee has no-showed, Jeff is shaping up to be the comeback that never was, our frontcourt depth is a joke. As far as the main 3 - KG is 36, he is what he is now. Paul can be so frustrating at times when he goes into hero mode, and Rondo isn't suddenly going to morph into the transcendent talent like some think he well.
Rondo has taken too many nights off, when he was supposed to be up there in MVP voting this year. It's really tough to watch, especially as one of his biggest supporters. If things don't go his way, he gets into such a stubborn mode.
I honestly can't believe Brandon Bass has been this putrid. Jeff Green, is a guy who has had a negative +/- number every single year of his career, I wasn't expecting him to be a difference maker. Never would have thought Courtney Lee would be this bad. Thats about 20mil/year right there. Danny is going to have to work some magic, because this is a bad situation. Real bad.
eh the whole rondo taking nights off thing is a bit overblown this season.he may not be an mvp and has lapses on defense but he's been consistent this year while no one else has.
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I missed the first few minutes of the first due to that stupid overtime game between the Thunder and the Mavs. They were already down fourteen by the time I started watching.
It was a 15 point game after three, I then missed the beginning of the fourth, and we were down 25 by the time I started watching again. So, by my calculations, we only lost by four during the stretch that I saw.
And, I actually liked the effort I saw during those forty minutes or so that I caught. We didn't look all that great, but I thought the guys fought hard.
Disappointed in the end of the bench crew that was out there to finish the game. Didn't think they closed it out with pride.
Loved the hard foul from Sully on Griffin. I had no problem with the flagrant one; right call. At first glance, it looked to me like Blake was complaining that the refs were contemplating even calling anything more than a regular, run of the mill hard foul. It appeared to me that he was saying something along the lines of; "I'm good ref. Just a hard foul."
I can't stand Chris Paul, but I wouldn't mind finding a way to get Big Ginger in Green.
That Clips team looks nasty. I could find myself rooting for them to come out of the West.
I don't really see a trade that will help what ails us right now. I think the improvement needs to come from within.
I still see it coming.
I have to ask. What have you seen in the last few weeks that says they are going to get better? They have lost 5 out of 7 games and they have played horribly in 4 of those losses. What am I missing?
It's hard to pinpoint right now. I'll get back to you.
:) ;D :)
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This team right now is just dysfunctional.
Bass has completely fallen off a cliff, Courtney Lee has no-showed, Jeff is shaping up to be the comeback that never was, our frontcourt depth is a joke. As far as the main 3 - KG is 36, he is what he is now. Paul can be so frustrating at times when he goes into hero mode, and Rondo isn't suddenly going to morph into the transcendent talent like some think he well.
Rondo has taken too many nights off, when he was supposed to be up there in MVP voting this year. It's really tough to watch, especially as one of his biggest supporters. If things don't go his way, he gets into such a stubborn mode.
I honestly can't believe Brandon Bass has been this putrid. Jeff Green, is a guy who has had a negative +/- number every single year of his career, I wasn't expecting him to be a difference maker. Never would have thought Courtney Lee would be this bad. Thats about 20mil/year right there. Danny is going to have to work some magic, because this is a bad situation. Real bad.
eh the whole rondo taking nights off thing is a bit overblown this season.he may not be an mvp and has lapses on defense but he's been consistent this year while no one else has.
Night off? Rondo might have sucked a little bit in this one, but from what I saw he was working his dang tail off tonight.
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Here was a game that could have gave me hope , even a close loss might have been encouraging , the result was exactly what my common sense told me would happen. A rotten blowout >:(
The owner (s) need to jump on Danny's ear .
This team just DIED on the VINE tonight .. TURRBLE !!!
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by far one of da worst games since KG got here. reminded me of when Orien Greene nd Brandon Hunter was gettin rotation minutes straight filth. we da most inconsistent team in da league da effort nd energy has to get betta or sumthin is gonna go down durin da trade deadline nd ima optimistic poster on here
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This team right now is just dysfunctional.
Bass has completely fallen off a cliff, Courtney Lee has no-showed, Jeff is shaping up to be the comeback that never was, our frontcourt depth is a joke. As far as the main 3 - KG is 36, he is what he is now. Paul can be so frustrating at times when he goes into hero mode, and Rondo isn't suddenly going to morph into the transcendent talent like some think he well.
Rondo has taken too many nights off, when he was supposed to be up there in MVP voting this year. It's really tough to watch, especially as one of his biggest supporters. If things don't go his way, he gets into such a stubborn mode.
I honestly can't believe Brandon Bass has been this putrid. Jeff Green, is a guy who has had a negative +/- number every single year of his career, I wasn't expecting him to be a difference maker. Never would have thought Courtney Lee would be this bad. Thats about 20mil/year right there. Danny is going to have to work some magic, because this is a bad situation. Real bad.
eh the whole rondo taking nights off thing is a bit overblown this season.he may not be an mvp and has lapses on defense but he's been consistent this year while no one else has.
Night off? Rondo might have sucked a little bit in this one, but from what I saw he was working his dang tail off tonight.
34 minutes, 6 assists, 4 turnovers and 10 points.
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We played like a bunch of women out there tonight. Until this team gets its it heart in the right place we are in trouble. I don t want tp hear any excuses. I want a win Saturday and then Sunday.
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Need a starting center. Collins playing 17 minutes and recording 1 stat (a rebound) isn't going to cut it. On a team with too much depth, Collins is now playing 20 minutes a game? I don't get it doc.
I want Bass back in there. He is the only big man on the team outside of KG that I remotely trust with regular minutes.
He's been so bad this season though. Not hitting the J, extremely hesitant/tentative, bad rebounding, late rotations.
Not like I'm happy with the other options but I've lost my trust in Bass.
Bass has been knocking down 46% of his long two point jump shots. That is one of the best rates in the league for big men. He is doing his job.
I think Bass' defense and rebounding is pretty similar to what it was last season. His defense is just more exposed without Bradley out there alongside him. But for me, it's pretty much in line with what Bass was doing last season.
I guess I was off with the J, but his overall offensive performance is significantly down - less shots up, a 5% drop in TS%, less FTA.
He's scoring inefficiently and infrequently.
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This team right now is just dysfunctional.
Bass has completely fallen off a cliff, Courtney Lee has no-showed, Jeff is shaping up to be the comeback that never was, our frontcourt depth is a joke. As far as the main 3 - KG is 36, he is what he is now. Paul can be so frustrating at times when he goes into hero mode, and Rondo isn't suddenly going to morph into the transcendent talent like some think he well.
Rondo has taken too many nights off, when he was supposed to be up there in MVP voting this year. It's really tough to watch, especially as one of his biggest supporters. If things don't go his way, he gets into such a stubborn mode.
I honestly can't believe Brandon Bass has been this putrid. Jeff Green, is a guy who has had a negative +/- number every single year of his career, I wasn't expecting him to be a difference maker. Never would have thought Courtney Lee would be this bad. Thats about 20mil/year right there. Danny is going to have to work some magic, because this is a bad situation. Real bad.
eh the whole rondo taking nights off thing is a bit overblown this season.he may not be an mvp and has lapses on defense but he's been consistent this year while no one else has.
Night off? Rondo might have sucked a little bit in this one, but from what I saw he was working his dang tail off tonight.
I definitely agree as far as Rondo being the most consistent (along with KG) on a team of inconsistency right now. I love Rondo, but the lapses can be fairly maddening at times. And on nights like tonight where nobody really had anything going on offense except KG, I just wish he would attack the basket more and get to the line. He has been more aggressive ever since he came back from the suspension, but this team needs more of it at times. I guess he's just not built like that, and is too focused on trying to run the team.
I certainly shouldn't put blame on him, because he really needs some consistent support. I guess I was just expecting more from our best player, when everyone else took the night off.
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This team right now is just dysfunctional.
Bass has completely fallen off a cliff, Courtney Lee has no-showed, Jeff is shaping up to be the comeback that never was, our frontcourt depth is a joke. As far as the main 3 - KG is 36, he is what he is now. Paul can be so frustrating at times when he goes into hero mode, and Rondo isn't suddenly going to morph into the transcendent talent like some think he well.
Rondo has taken too many nights off, when he was supposed to be up there in MVP voting this year. It's really tough to watch, especially as one of his biggest supporters. If things don't go his way, he gets into such a stubborn mode.
I honestly can't believe Brandon Bass has been this putrid. Jeff Green, is a guy who has had a negative +/- number every single year of his career, I wasn't expecting him to be a difference maker. Never would have thought Courtney Lee would be this bad. Thats about 20mil/year right there. Danny is going to have to work some magic, because this is a bad situation. Real bad.
eh the whole rondo taking nights off thing is a bit overblown this season.he may not be an mvp and has lapses on defense but he's been consistent this year while no one else has.
Night off? Rondo might have sucked a little bit in this one, but from what I saw he was working his dang tail off tonight.
34 minutes, 6 assists, 4 turnovers and 10 points.
Eh, boxscore doesn't tell the whole story. I thought he was agressive and tried to push the tempo (12 fga in those 34 mins), but the whole team looked like they were in a funk.
And check out Chris Paul's stats from tonight, they're pretty similar overall.
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This team right now is just dysfunctional.
Bass has completely fallen off a cliff, Courtney Lee has no-showed, Jeff is shaping up to be the comeback that never was, our frontcourt depth is a joke. As far as the main 3 - KG is 36, he is what he is now. Paul can be so frustrating at times when he goes into hero mode, and Rondo isn't suddenly going to morph into the transcendent talent like some think he well.
Rondo has taken too many nights off, when he was supposed to be up there in MVP voting this year. It's really tough to watch, especially as one of his biggest supporters. If things don't go his way, he gets into such a stubborn mode.
I honestly can't believe Brandon Bass has been this putrid. Jeff Green, is a guy who has had a negative +/- number every single year of his career, I wasn't expecting him to be a difference maker. Never would have thought Courtney Lee would be this bad. Thats about 20mil/year right there. Danny is going to have to work some magic, because this is a bad situation. Real bad.
eh the whole rondo taking nights off thing is a bit overblown this season.he may not be an mvp and has lapses on defense but he's been consistent this year while no one else has.
Night off? Rondo might have sucked a little bit in this one, but from what I saw he was working his dang tail off tonight.
34 minutes, 6 assists, 4 turnovers and 10 points.
I admitted that he sucked.
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Need a starting center. Collins playing 17 minutes and recording 1 stat (a rebound) isn't going to cut it. On a team with too much depth, Collins is now playing 20 minutes a game? I don't get it doc.
I want Bass back in there. He is the only big man on the team outside of KG that I remotely trust with regular minutes.
He's been so bad this season though. Not hitting the J, extremely hesitant/tentative, bad rebounding, late rotations.
Not like I'm happy with the other options but I've lost my trust in Bass.
Bass has been knocking down 46% of his long two point jump shots. That is one of the best rates in the league for big men. He is doing his job.
I think Bass' defense and rebounding is pretty similar to what it was last season. His defense is just more exposed without Bradley out there alongside him. But for me, it's pretty much in line with what Bass was doing last season.
I guess I was off with the J, but his overall offensive performance is significantly down - less shots up, a 5% drop in TS%, less FTA.
He's scoring inefficiently and infrequently.
I think a lot of that comes from the lineups Bass has been in.
They are too many hands to feed offensively in that starting lineup with Jason Terry in there. Bass has been less involved. Less touches. Less shot attempts. In the 2nd unit too, Jeff Green and Jason Terry get most of the plays with Bass on the outskirts. Bass has regularly got the short end of the stick on offense this year.
Stick Bradley or Courtney Lee in that starting lineup instead of Terry and I believe Bass will feel a lot more involved and comfortable offensively. I believe his scoring efficiency and points per minute will show that. Once Bass is more involved.
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I missed the first few minutes of the first due to that stupid overtime game between the Thunder and the Mavs. They were already down fourteen by the time I started watching.
It was a 15 point game after three, I then missed the beginning of the fourth, and we were down 25 by the time I started watching again. So, by my calculations, we only lost by four during the stretch that I saw.
And, I actually liked the effort I saw during those forty minutes or so that I caught. We didn't look all that great, but I thought the guys fought hard.
Disappointed in the end of the bench crew that was out there to finish the game. Didn't think they closed it out with pride.
Loved the hard foul from Sully on Griffin. I had no problem with the flagrant one; right call. At first glance, it looked to me like Blake was complaining that the refs were contemplating even calling anything more than a regular, run of the mill hard foul. It appeared to me that he was saying something along the lines of; "I'm good ref. Just a hard foul."
I can't stand Chris Paul, but I wouldn't mind finding a way to get Big Ginger in Green.
That Clips team looks nasty. I could find myself rooting for them to come out of the West.
I don't really see a trade that will help what ails us right now. I think the improvement needs to come from within.
I still see it coming.
I have to ask. What have you seen in the last few weeks that says they are going to get better? They have lost 5 out of 7 games and they have played horribly in 4 of those losses. What am I missing?
It's hard to pinpoint right now. I'll get back to you.
:) ;D :)
It came to me.
Three simple words: Pierce. Garnett. Rondo.
In anticipation of the response that Pierce and Garnett are done, toast, washed up:
I almost believed that the first 6 or 7 seven times I heard it. I'm not falling for it this time. I'll believe it when it's all said and done. Until then, I believe those guys got a little something left in them.
In anticipation of the response that Rondo is a petulant, spoiled, brat who sometimes gets too emotional and at other times finds it hard to get fully engaged, but always brings it when it matters the most:
That's just how I like the leader of this team to be.
I can't wait until the playoffs. If the Celtics are in them, watch out league!
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I guess holding Chris Paul to 3-11 shooting and only a 12 Efficiency Rating on his HOME COURT with a team on a 14 game winning streak is "TAKING A GAME OFF???"
Smitty77
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You know what's so frustrating to me about Doc's rest pattern with Garnett besides how much it reeks of trying to be too cute: it flies in the face of how important first quarters are to winning games. Here's an article that broke down just that, well, that and how important the third quarter is too. It's a good read.
http://www.82games.com/random11.htm
Up to last year, ever since KG arrived the Celtics used to be an excellent first quarter team. I didn't break down point differential in their first quarters but here's their won-lost record in first quarters for the last three seasons:
2011: 49-30-3 (56-26 record) I call this the pre-Stupid KG Rest Pattern Era
2012: 33-30-3 (39-27 record) I call this the start of the Stupid KG Rest Pattern Era
2013: 11-15-1 (14-14 record) I didn't record exactly how they've fared against good versus bad teams but predictably, they've been much worse against good teams. They're 2-0 against the Wizards by the way.
I obviously haven't broken this information down much and maybe it's just all junk. Maybe the fact that KG has played the fewest first and third quarter minutes of any essential starter (i.e. not Willie Green for instance) in the league means nothing. I personally don't buy it. If KG is going to get his 31 minutes ago, please let him play against starters more often, please.
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This team needs a shakeup either a trade for Cousins or try out the Rooks.
Not sure about that Varnado signing if Fab is putting up similar to better #'s why isn't he with the team?
The common denominator is Doc Rivers. Danny finds him talent that he doesn't play. At this point ask yourselves would you have traded Etwaun Moore for what we got in return now? Hopefully this doesn't happen to Joseph or Melo.
Last but not least... Danny needs to give doc an ultimatum. There are plenty of good coaches available if the work performance continues to be poor.
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Need a starting center. Collins playing 17 minutes and recording 1 stat (a rebound) isn't going to cut it. On a team with too much depth, Collins is now playing 20 minutes a game? I don't get it doc.
I didn't watch the game but saw the box score. The Jason Collins experiment has to end. You can't play a guy 17 minutes and get literally nothing out of him.
I didn't expect them to win that game anyways. They aren't ready for that kind of team on the road. Get Golden State and Sac, come back 2-for-3 on the trip, and its a successful journey.
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This team is pathetic
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Vinnie just loves these games.
He rubs his hands together with glee and a little smile on his face and then unleashes the doom. :P
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Stop the PP Iso's! It's amazing when this team moves the friggen ball. I don't understand why we don't.
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Is this some sort of joke? Collins with 4 or 5 starts in a row? Has he played ONE decent game all year?
That's just absolutely ridiculous, we'd actually be better off going small with Jeff Green and getting Barbosa some minutes.
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Stop the PP Iso's! It's amazing when this team moves the friggen ball. I don't understand why we don't.
agreed. we moved it like crazy against the nets and look what that netted us. not to mention we attacked all game long for the first time this season that game. We also seemed to attack alot last night so i cannot fault the offensive style. I really can't. rondo missed a bunch of layups and runners. Our defense just blew. The offensive execution blew but the style was much better than taking contested jumpers all night like we have done for so long. hopefully we have turned the corner offensive style wise. it works. go for the high % shots..only take long jumpers if not contested and if the guy is hot. if you can keep scoring attacking the basket keep doing it until they stop you then kick it out.
regardless though this sample size now is not merely anecdotal it is EMPIRICAL! Nothing really new though. we need another big. bass and lee can go anytime....even green if necessary. whatever it takes...otherwise why are we even playing? If we are not trying to make the team better? This whole thing is blowing up in two years at the longest anyway. Rondo just may be included in that blow up due to his age then.
For those wanting to wait until the all-star break do you really think this team will go on the run we did last year with AB that late? We cannot afford to wait that long plus that was last year in different circumstances. we have seen enough this year. what you see is what you get. hey doc, a .500 coach was just FIRED in brooklyn. take note!
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i cannot fault the offensive style. I really can't. rondo missed a bunch of layups and runners. Our defense just blew.
That's the one thing I liked about the game. The team looked like they were trying to play up tempo and have an offense that was less strangling. The problem on offense is they weren't hitting shots and they were playing a team that's been playing up tempo all year and was hitting shots.
Now watch. Doc will go back to the walk-it-up, grind-it-out style against the Warriors and Boston will "only" lose by 10.
Mike
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Vinnie just loves these games.
He rubs his hands together with glee and a little smile on his face and then unleashes the doom. :P
You are right. We all should be upbeat about how well this team is progressing. We should be ecstatic that they got blown off the court by the Clippers. And, the defense? Unbelievable how well it is playing now. Nothing to complain about here. This team is clearly a contender for the championship. ;D
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Did anyone lamenting this loss REALLY think we had a chance to fly to LA and BEAT the Clippers last night?
I watched because I was curious to see how we'd rebound after a great Christmas Day game, and to see what the Clips are looking like. I did not, think for a second, that we were ready to go beat the hottest team in the NBA on the road.
They are one of this year's elite (up there w/ OKC, Miami, whomever else), they are on a hot streak and younger and deeper and taller than the Celtics. I was just hoping we'd compete and continue to build towards something of our own.
I don't think anything new was learned. The Celts pretty much did what I expected. Hang on for a while and get overwhelmed. The Clippers really played well together. They look comfortable while it looks like we're searching for something.
My assessment: We are a middle of the pack team that has to play REALLY well to get wins against any team (good, decent or even sub-par).
Lee and Bass are pretty brutal so far. Jeff still isn't taking enough initiative. KG, Paul & Rondo maybe aren't doing enough to make these role players better right now. Maybe the team isn't being selfless enough. I like where we're going with Sully. Jeff can add more. Rondo can be better.
I do think Avery will give us a shot in the arm, and yes, we need another big (6'11" & athletic) to play with KG and to cover for him when he's out. Once we do that, we just hope to gel and make our annual run!
A Big is hard to find, but they are out there for Danny to get. Wish we didn't snooze on guys like Thabeet & Blatche who were just sitting there for the taking, but let's move on. I'll take back Semih Automatic anytime.
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If we don't have a chance to beat the Clippers, then we're not a championship contender, are we?
Answer: Obviously not.
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This team is clearly not a contender right now.
The Clippers hammered that message home pretty clearly.
I don't know how much of this AB can fix, some moves have to be made.
A 6-2 guard with bad shoulders in a league full of bigger, athletic guards isn't going to fix anything, and some of the "Bradley is our panacea" nonsense on this board is headed for a huge crash landing.
With apologies to Rick Pitino, a championship defense isn't walking through that door with Avery Bradley.
Bradley's greatest value to this franchise right now is a trading chip, with some team who overvalues him like some of the posters here do.
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I think Tommy was right on with his analysis on the postgame show last night. He took a subtle shot at Doc and siad that the new players they brought in have to be given more freedom and be made more of a focus. I think Terry and Green are the two guys who need to be given much more focus in the offense. Tommy said that some of the new players were brought in and placed into roles that just don't make much use of their skills.
Doc tried to use Terry like he did Ray, which doesn't work. Terry is a much better ball handler and can create his own shot. Let him free to work and get him more time with the ball in his hands.
Green is placed into the corner shooting threes, which is definitely not his strength. Why isn't Green ever used to post on the block? He has a good post up game, if mixd with his drives he could put up 18 a night easily for us and lessen the load on Pierce and KG.
Sullinger is our second best post up player, but most people would never know it because he never, ever posts up. He's been pigeonholed into the Glen Davis role, which is awful. Sullinger is a much more skilled player and we are only using half of his skills.
Lee and Bass just need to play better, I think Doc is using them well, they just suck right now.
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This team is clearly not a contender right now.
The Clippers hammered that message home pretty clearly.
I don't know how much of this AB can fix, some moves have to be made.
A 6-2 guard with bad shoulders in a league full of bigger, athletic guards isn't going to fix anything, and some of the "Bradley is our panacea" nonsense on this board is headed for a huge crash landing.
With apologies to Rick Pitino, a championship defense isn't walking through that door with Avery Bradley.
Bradley's greatest value to this franchise right now is a trading chip, with some team who overvalues him like some of the posters here do.
I fully agree, TP. With the posts we see on here, you would think Bradley is Bill Russell or even Dwight Howard. He's 6'2 !!! He's never had a single full season without a major injury yet either !!! His offense still has major limitations as well. We should trade him now before his value drops when he returns, but his value is nowhere near what most celtics fans seem to think it is.
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Those are decent observations, as individual players go.
The problem is, this is a team game. It is not an individual game, and it's growing increasingly obvious - in my opinion - that these individuals do not fit together.
At this point, I am growing increasingly pessimistic that this group will ever be anything more than a .500 team, given its inability to defend, its general lack of consistent outside scoring and the elephant in the room - rebounding.
Danny should move quickly, again in my opinion, after 1/15 to break this group up.
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I was at the game last night, and these were a couple observations I made:
- I'm beginning to think Bass was playing for a paycheck last year. When I first got to Staples, Jet was the only guy on the floor practicing before pre game. Didn't Bass used to do that last year? His jump shot is gone.
- KG is dominant. It's too bad he can play limited minutes, because when he was in, the Clippers could not handle him at all.
- We started off horrible, but I was pretty happy with the first half. Barnes was going nuts from three.
- I all fell apart in the third quarter. I don't think Bledsoe came in, so Chris Paul was playing the entire quarter; this really did it for the Celtics. We couldn't handle him, constantly turning the ball over.
- Varnado looked pretty good.
- Bieber showed up late and left early.
- Chris Paul is fatter than I thought.
- Rondo is taller than I thought.
- Even though we lost, it was a great experience for my first live NBA game.
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Those are decent observations, as individual players go.
The problem is, this is a team game. It is not an individual game, and it's growing increasingly obvious - in my opinion - that these individuals do not fit together.
At this point, I am growing increasingly pessimistic that this group will ever be anything more than a .500 team, given its inability to defend, its general lack of consistent outside scoring and the elephant in the room - rebounding.
Danny should move quickly, again in my opinion, after 1/15 to break this group up.
no, no, no......we need consistent INSIDE scoring whether it be from fast break transition, dribble drive, dribble and dish, cuts or post ups. we have attacked two games in a row. why did it take doc so long to do this? he has relied on contested jumpers for far too long in the past.
now with that being said, yes he is using guys wrong. to try to use terry as RA is mesmerizing when JET can create off the dribble. yes green and sully should be posting up, not just KG. again, it is similar to driving a square peg into a round hole with doc.
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It's hard to forget what type of impact AB had for this team last year. I certainly don't expect him to turn everything around, but he will make us better. By simply pressuring the ball full court he'll force possessions to start up late and give our boys more time. The problem though is that our big men just don't get it done.
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The fact that Odom grabbed rebounds against us is screaming no toughness.
We really need to get a big man, and fast. Danny make it done, even if it takes anyone outside of KG, Pierce and Rondo.
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Danny should move quickly, again in my opinion, after 1/15 to break this group up.
This is the only hope this team has. There is just no other way.
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A minute or so into the 2nd quarter, the Cs cut the lead to four, and then Lee had a mental breakdown and let Crawford loose for a back door layup. Then green throws up a 10 foot garbage shot, followed by a bad pass the next possession and then Terry getting his feeble layup attempt stuffed by 300 pound Lamar Odom, and the Clips pusshed their lead back to 12 by scoring every time down and the game was never in doubt after that.
When you're on the road against good teams, you have to play tight defense and make plays. The Cs didn't to that when they had an opportunity to make a game out of it. A strong minded team would have hunkered down in the paint down four and on a run, and forced the Clips to make an outside shot. Instead Lee gave up a gimmie hoop. Then Green followed that gift up by taking a garbage shot and then throwing the ball away.
The Clips thrive on cheap hoops and turnovers. You can't just give hand them those things and stay in the game.
This roster has too many weak minded individuals on it. A shake up is needed.
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I will defend anyone who is optimistic about Bradley.
To those dissing the optimism about his return ... .did you watch him last season? ?? ? ? ?
Bradley was nothing short of amazing. It was truly gratifying to watch for those of us who believed in him before he actually delivered.
If we had him vs Miami, we win. If we have him and healthy Ray, it might have been over in 5.
This kid is a total difference maker with awesome talent. What, about 9 months have past so now it didn't really happen? Avery Bradley was outstanding when he got minutes last year and his shoulders will be fine.
If you recall, Perk also had bad shoulders and you never heard about it again after surgery. Drew Brees had shoulder surgery and Miami passed on him. He's undersized too. How'd that work out for Miami? Oh, Tom Brady had some shoulder surgery circa 2002. We should have DUMPED him while we had the chance!! Is modern medicine somehow not going to work out for Avery Bradley and his shoulders? C'mon. The kid is a beast.
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Weak-minded or weak-willed players is the real problem with this team. The above poster nailed it.
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The common denominator is Doc Rivers. Danny finds him talent that he doesn't play. At this point ask yourselves would you have traded Etwaun Moore for what we got in return now?
Yeah, I do that trade 50 times again and don't question it. Etwaun Moore isn't exactly lighting the world on fire in Orlando, he's had some decent moments. But he's been in and out of the starting line up all season for a team with lottery aspirations. Courtney Lee is a proven guy that's played a key part on a team that's been to the Finals - he's having a tough shooting season, but his defense has been as advertised.
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Those are decent observations, as individual players go.
The problem is, this is a team game. It is not an individual game, and it's growing increasingly obvious - in my opinion - that these individuals do not fit together.
At this point, I am growing increasingly pessimistic that this group will ever be anything more than a .500 team, given its inability to defend, its general lack of consistent outside scoring and the elephant in the room - rebounding.
Danny should move quickly, again in my opinion, after 1/15 to break this group up.
Just out of morbid curiosity, since when you chime in it's typically with critiques of what you see being done wrong by C's or what's wrong with the players in general, who is it that you think Danny should be targetting? I'm not disagreeing that there aren't some major deficiencies here or that something should be done (in fact I agree), just curious as to who you'd think would be the solution here.
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Those are decent observations, as individual players go.
The problem is, this is a team game. It is not an individual game, and it's growing increasingly obvious - in my opinion - that these individuals do not fit together.
At this point, I am growing increasingly pessimistic that this group will ever be anything more than a .500 team, given its inability to defend, its general lack of consistent outside scoring and the elephant in the room - rebounding.
Danny should move quickly, again in my opinion, after 1/15 to break this group up.
Just out of morbid curiosity, since when you chime in it's typically with critiques of what you see being done wrong by C's or what's wrong with the players in general, who is it that you think Danny should be targetting? I'm not disagreeing that there aren't some major deficiencies here or that something should be done (in fact I agree), just curious as to who you'd think would be the solution here.
I can't speak for CoachBo, but I would trade for Demarcus Cousins. It fixes our biggest weakness and gives us a legit star to build with Rondo after KG and Pierce retire. Please don't tell me you would prefer to build around Bradley, we is not a cornerstone for a contending team.
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The common denominator is Doc Rivers. Danny finds him talent that he doesn't play. At this point ask yourselves would you have traded Etwaun Moore for what we got in return now?
Yeah, I do that trade 50 times again and don't question it. Etwaun Moore isn't exactly lighting the world on fire in Orlando, he's had some decent moments. But he's been in and out of the starting line up all season for a team with lottery aspirations. Courtney Lee is a proven guy that's played a key part on a team that's been to the Finals - he's having a tough shooting season, but his defense has been as advertised.
You really, REALLY, honestly, think that not having Etwaun Moore is the problem? I mean seriously. Dude is having trouble playing for the Magic. You really think Etwaun Moore would be saving the celtics right now? Get a grip.
Like the above man says i do that trade 50 times again, heck, 100 times again, and dont have one thought or regret otherwise.
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We're just too small. That's what it comes down to. We have no size to protect the rim and get some points in the paint. I would not include Melo in any deal. I would however move Bradley and Sully.
You need length and size in the league. I can't believe how many people are so firm on keeping undersized SGs and PFs but perfectly willing to throw a 7 footer into every trade.
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The common denominator is Doc Rivers. Danny finds him talent that he doesn't play. At this point ask yourselves would you have traded Etwaun Moore for what we got in return now?
Yeah, I do that trade 50 times again and don't question it. Etwaun Moore isn't exactly lighting the world on fire in Orlando, he's had some decent moments. But he's been in and out of the starting line up all season for a team with lottery aspirations. Courtney Lee is a proven guy that's played a key part on a team that's been to the Finals - he's having a tough shooting season, but his defense has been as advertised.
You really, REALLY, honestly, think that not having Etwaun Moore is the problem? I mean seriously. Dude is having trouble playing for the Magic. You really think Etwaun Moore would be saving the celtics right now? Get a grip.
Like the above man says i do that trade 50 times again, heck, 100 times again, and dont have one thought or regret otherwise.
LOL, and with that Etwaun Moore has now taken his rightful place next to Gerald Green and Sebastian Telfair in the Celticsblog hall of fame.
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Those are decent observations, as individual players go.
The problem is, this is a team game. It is not an individual game, and it's growing increasingly obvious - in my opinion - that these individuals do not fit together.
At this point, I am growing increasingly pessimistic that this group will ever be anything more than a .500 team, given its inability to defend, its general lack of consistent outside scoring and the elephant in the room - rebounding.
Danny should move quickly, again in my opinion, after 1/15 to break this group up.
Just out of morbid curiosity, since when you chime in it's typically with critiques of what you see being done wrong by C's or what's wrong with the players in general, who is it that you think Danny should be targetting? I'm not disagreeing that there aren't some major deficiencies here or that something should be done (in fact I agree), just curious as to who you'd think would be the solution here.
I can't speak for CoachBo, but I would trade for Demarcus Cousins. It fixes our biggest weakness and gives us a legit star to build with Rondo after KG and Pierce retire. Please don't tell me you would prefer to build around Bradley, we is not a cornerstone for a contending team.
thanks for your 2 cents. I was actually looking for his specific input since I see a lot of criticism but no suggestions for better options other than obtaining the top players in the NBA (CP3 in particular in the past).
As for Cousins, I'd move AB OR Sully for him but not both. Use other discardable pieces like Bass, Lee, Green, JET to get the deal done but the team needs more than 1 player that's got some talent with room to improve.
I think we can address the problem (not longterm like Cousins would do) by getting an older vet (say Okafur or Dalembert) that plugs the middle and would not cost us most of our prime assets. This team is currently structured to be together 3 years so with most of the current players gone by then, we could reload with the open cap space.
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I think you just have to be patient. This has been our style. I am just worried we start playing worse since it is after XMas and stuff.
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Those are decent observations, as individual players go.
The problem is, this is a team game. It is not an individual game, and it's growing increasingly obvious - in my opinion - that these individuals do not fit together.
At this point, I am growing increasingly pessimistic that this group will ever be anything more than a .500 team, given its inability to defend, its general lack of consistent outside scoring and the elephant in the room - rebounding.
Danny should move quickly, again in my opinion, after 1/15 to break this group up.
Just out of morbid curiosity, since when you chime in it's typically with critiques of what you see being done wrong by C's or what's wrong with the players in general, who is it that you think Danny should be targetting? I'm not disagreeing that there aren't some major deficiencies here or that something should be done (in fact I agree), just curious as to who you'd think would be the solution here.
I can't speak for CoachBo, but I would trade for Demarcus Cousins. It fixes our biggest weakness and gives us a legit star to build with Rondo after KG and Pierce retire. Please don't tell me you would prefer to build around Bradley, we is not a cornerstone for a contending team.
thanks for your 2 cents. I was actually looking for his specific input since I see a lot of criticism but no suggestions for better options other than obtaining the top players in the NBA (CP3 in particular in the past).
As for Cousins, I'd move AB OR Sully for him but not both. Use other discardable pieces like Bass, Lee, Green, JET to get the deal done but the team needs more than 1 player that's got some talent with room to improve.
I think we can address the problem (not longterm like Cousins would do) by getting an older vet (say Okafur or Dalembert) that plugs the middle and would not cost us most of our prime assets. This team is currently structured to be together 3 years so with most of the current players gone by then, we could reload with the open cap space.
I agree, getting Dalembert or Okafor is a great option, and the better option if the Kings insist on both Bradley and Sullinger in a deal for Cousins. I agree that giving up both of them is too much. I'm pretty sure we get a legit big man by mid February, likely Okafor or Dalembert for cheap, heck, maybe even as a buyout.
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I agree, getting Dalembert or Okafor is a great option, and the better option if the Kings insist on both Bradley and Sullinger in a deal for Cousins. I agree that giving up both of them is too much. I'm pretty sure we get a legit big man by mid February, likely Okafor or Dalembert for cheap, heck, maybe even as a buyout.
An interesting thing to notice re. Dalembert...
Lee for Dalembert doesn't work salary-wise.
Lee and Varnado for Dalembert does.
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the clippers were on fire, and we played below average. Matt Barnes was hitting everything, blake was hitting everything.
It was a good night for them.
Play us in a 7 game series in 5 months and we'll see what happens.
Blake Griffin is such a wimp/flopper/over rated chump too.
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the clippers were on fire, and we played below average. Matt Barnes was hitting everything, blake was hitting everything.
It was a good night for them.
Play us in a 7 game series in 5 months and we'll see what happens.
Blake Griffin is such a wimp/flopper/over rated chump too.
The Clip have the best record in the league and we are a .500 team. They also have the deepest team in the league. What makes you think we can beat them in 7 in 5 months time? They also have the best point guard in the league.
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They have the best record because they've had one of the easiest schedules. Their win streak has been against the weaker teams in the NBA. They are pretenders and aren't getting anywhere with Griffin and Jordan as a back court.
I remember when people said the Knicks and Nets were contenders too but they're pretenders.
Rajon Rondo is statistically the best point guard in the league this season so that nullifies Chris Paul, the match up is even.
What makes me think we can beat them?
Well we were up 3 games to 2 vs Miami and had a worse record at this time last year.
Funny how quickly people forget.
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Honestly, I'm just waiting for a trade to happen....
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Everyone's covered a lot of ground during this discussion. This whole season has been anti-climactic. But...
- No doubt Doc stays on. Danny has his back. However, like everyone else, I have no idea what Jason Collins is doing starting.
- Rondo is carrying the team. KG and PP are trying their best, but age is bringing them down.
- I agree with someone else who said that Avery will eventually get traded to another team who overvalues him. This season or another it will happen.
- Jeff Green is as mediocre a player as there is in the league, and as far as position adjusted win score per 48 minutes he's the worst small forward in the league.
- I still think Danny is smarter than anyone gives him credit for. If EVERYONE on this board wouldn't have given him that contract, there's no way Danny would have signed Jeff Green to 9 million dollars a season unless he absolutely was intent on eventually trading him in a package for a superstar.
- Danny was at the game. He knows what's up. Right now we would barely even make the playoffs, let alone contend for a title.
- Picking up Okafor or Dalembert later in the season as they most likely get bought out was a good point someone made.
- Like someone else said, I'm just waiting for a trade to happen. By the trading deadline will either or all Jeff Green, Brandon Bass, Courtney Lee be in a Celtic uniform? I doubt it... No doubt a trade's coming, and although many of you wouldn't take them back in a trade if you were a general manager, thankfully there are plenty of horrible general managers out there, and Danny is a great salesman. One of his best qualities.
- I can't wait until February 15th!!! (trade deadline)
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the clippers were on fire, and we played below average. Matt Barnes was hitting everything, blake was hitting everything.
It was a good night for them.
Play us in a 7 game series in 5 months and we'll see what happens.
Blake Griffin is such a wimp/flopper/over rated chump too.
Seems I have read almost these same words, with different player names, for many of the Celtics' losses this year. Every good team the Celts play seem to be on fire. The Clippers would win 8 out of every 10 games they played against the Celtics.
And the criticism of Blake Griffin is hysterical. Just like the criticism I have read about Jalen Rose in another thread. Please -- Griffin is one of the best power forwards in the league. I don't get the irrational criticism of some of the league's best players.
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I agree, getting Dalembert or Okafor is a great option, and the better option if the Kings insist on both Bradley and Sullinger in a deal for Cousins. I agree that giving up both of them is too much. I'm pretty sure we get a legit big man by mid February, likely Okafor or Dalembert for cheap, heck, maybe even as a buyout.
An interesting thing to notice re. Dalembert...
Lee for Dalembert doesn't work salary-wise.
Lee and Varnado for Dalembert does.
nice catch -- TP
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Is there any indication that Sam Dalembert would pick Boston to sign with if he's bought out? I would think that Miami would be a natural choice, since he's from Haiti and has a home in Miami.
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Is there any indication that Sam Dalembert would pick Boston to sign with if he's bought out? I would think that Miami would be a natural choice, since he's from Haiti and has a home in Miami.
I just don't see Dalembert being bought out. If he somehow is though, yea, the Heat makes the most sense for him.
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Is there any indication that Sam Dalembert would pick Boston to sign with if he's bought out? I would think that Miami would be a natural choice, since he's from Haiti and has a home in Miami.
There would be some hope that Miami wouldn't pursue him that strongly given their small-ball preference and/or that Dalembert chooses to go elsewhere to play more minutes if Miami was only willing to offer him 10-15mpg off the bench behind Chris Bosh.
I agree Miami has a leg up on the competition here but it still looks like a fluid situation to me. Could go a couple different ways.
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They have the best record because they've had one of the easiest schedules. Their win streak has been against the weaker teams in the NBA. They are pretenders and aren't getting anywhere with Griffin and Jordan as a back court.
I remember when people said the Knicks and Nets were contenders too but they're pretenders.
Rajon Rondo is statistically the best point guard in the league this season so that nullifies Chris Paul, the match up is even.
What makes me think we can beat them?
Well we were up 3 games to 2 vs Miami and had a worse record at this time last year.
Funny how quickly people forget.
Don't be bitter. Clips are a good team. 15 game win streak is no easy feat no matter who you play.
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They have the best record because they've had one of the easiest schedules. Their win streak has been against the weaker teams in the NBA. They are pretenders and aren't getting anywhere with Griffin and Jordan as a back court.
I remember when people said the Knicks and Nets were contenders too but they're pretenders.
Rajon Rondo is statistically the best point guard in the league this season so that nullifies Chris Paul, the match up is even.
What makes me think we can beat them?
Well we were up 3 games to 2 vs Miami and had a worse record at this time last year.
Funny how quickly people forget.
Don't be bitter. Clips are a good team. 15 game win streak is no easy feat no matter who you play.
make that a 16-gamer!
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the clippers were on fire, and we played below average. Matt Barnes was hitting everything, blake was hitting everything.
It was a good night for them.
Play us in a 7 game series in 5 months and we'll see what happens.
Blake Griffin is such a wimp/flopper/over rated chump too.
Seems I have read almost these same words, with different player names, for many of the Celtics' losses this year. Every good team the Celts play seem to be on fire. The Clippers would win 8 out of every 10 games they played against the Celtics.
And the criticism of Blake Griffin is hysterical. Just like the criticism I have read about Jalen Rose in another thread. Please -- Griffin is one of the best power forwards in the league. I don't get the irrational criticism of some of the league's best players.
So you read the same words last year too when we made the ECF with a worse record than we have now?
Blake Griffin is 100% over rated and needs to steadily improve his skillset to combine it with his athleticism.
The guy gets praised like he's Kevin Durant or Lebron but he's no where near an All Star level talent.
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the clippers were on fire, and we played below average. Matt Barnes was hitting everything, blake was hitting everything.
It was a good night for them.
Play us in a 7 game series in 5 months and we'll see what happens.
Blake Griffin is such a wimp/flopper/over rated chump too.
Seems I have read almost these same words, with different player names, for many of the Celtics' losses this year. Every good team the Celts play seem to be on fire. The Clippers would win 8 out of every 10 games they played against the Celtics.
And the criticism of Blake Griffin is hysterical. Just like the criticism I have read about Jalen Rose in another thread. Please -- Griffin is one of the best power forwards in the league. I don't get the irrational criticism of some of the league's best players.
So you read the same words last year too when we made the ECF with a worse record than we have now?
Blake Griffin is 100% over rated and needs to steadily improve his skillset to combine it with his athleticism.
The guy gets praised like he's Kevin Durant or Lebron but he's no where near an All Star level talent.
You don't consider Blake Griffin an All-Star caliber player? Why not?
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the clippers were on fire, and we played below average. Matt Barnes was hitting everything, blake was hitting everything.
It was a good night for them.
Play us in a 7 game series in 5 months and we'll see what happens.
Blake Griffin is such a wimp/flopper/over rated chump too.
Seems I have read almost these same words, with different player names, for many of the Celtics' losses this year. Every good team the Celts play seem to be on fire. The Clippers would win 8 out of every 10 games they played against the Celtics.
And the criticism of Blake Griffin is hysterical. Just like the criticism I have read about Jalen Rose in another thread. Please -- Griffin is one of the best power forwards in the league. I don't get the irrational criticism of some of the league's best players.
So you read the same words last year too when we made the ECF with a worse record than we have now?
Blake Griffin is 100% over rated and needs to steadily improve his skillset to combine it with his athleticism.
The guy gets praised like he's Kevin Durant or Lebron but he's no where near an All Star level talent.
1. Blake Griffin IS an all star
2. Last year, with the lockout, was an anomaly.
3. There is no way the defense was EVER this bad last year.
4. This team seems to have picked up players that just don't get the defense and don't seem that they will ever get the defense. Maybe a low basketball IQ for some of them, I don't know.
5. Pierce is a year older, and while he has had some stellar games, he has had a lot of stinkers (I know, he is 8th in the league in scoring or something like that). On nights like tonight he looks like he is 20 years older. He will have more great games this season, but it seems like the consistency is gone.
6. The KG minutes thing has gotten ridiculous. You could almost put together a great comedy sketch about it. He played 4 minutes and 30 seconds in the first quarter tonight and that was it. He hits his first shot and then is out of the game. Even Scal said it is crazy. Whether KG is part of this plan or not, they simply are not going to win many games against good teams when their best big man is playing 4 plus minutes in the first quarter. Just won't work.
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the clippers were on fire, and we played below average. Matt Barnes was hitting everything, blake was hitting everything.
It was a good night for them.
Play us in a 7 game series in 5 months and we'll see what happens.
Blake Griffin is such a wimp/flopper/over rated chump too.
Seems I have read almost these same words, with different player names, for many of the Celtics' losses this year. Every good team the Celts play seem to be on fire. The Clippers would win 8 out of every 10 games they played against the Celtics.
And the criticism of Blake Griffin is hysterical. Just like the criticism I have read about Jalen Rose in another thread. Please -- Griffin is one of the best power forwards in the league. I don't get the irrational criticism of some of the league's best players.
So you read the same words last year too when we made the ECF with a worse record than we have now?
Blake Griffin is 100% over rated and needs to steadily improve his skillset to combine it with his athleticism.
The guy gets praised like he's Kevin Durant or Lebron but he's no where near an All Star level talent.
1. Blake Griffin IS an all star
2. Last year, with the lockout, was an anomaly.
3. There is no way the defense was EVER this bad last year.
4. This team seems to have picked up players that just don't get the defense and don't seem that they will ever get the defense. Maybe a low basketball IQ for some of them, I don't know.
5. Pierce is a year older, and while he has had some stellar games, he has had a lot of stinkers (I know, he is 8th in the league in scoring or something like that). On nights like tonight he looks like he is 20 years older. He will have more great games this season, but it seems like the consistency is gone.
6. The KG minutes thing has gotten ridiculous. You could almost put together a great comedy sketch about it. He played 4 minutes and 30 seconds in the first quarter tonight and that was it. He hits his first shot and then is out of the game. Even Scal said it is crazy. Whether KG is part of this plan or not, they simply are not going to win many games against good teams when their best big man is playing 4 plus minutes in the first quarter. Just won't work.
Point number 6 ...is well put. what was Doc doing...I think DOC FOLDED ...right there...he wasn't using KG...its like Doc is saving him like a LAST MEAL ....
Doc didn't give a rats set of nads , he wasn't going to use KG up to win the game.. With out Rondo, Doc figured KG would kill himself trying to win this game. Doc counted it as loss without Rondo, he just went though the motions.
So DOC quit....he flat out GAVE UP...... what a loser.
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the clippers were on fire, and we played below average. Matt Barnes was hitting everything, blake was hitting everything.
It was a good night for them.
Play us in a 7 game series in 5 months and we'll see what happens.
Blake Griffin is such a wimp/flopper/over rated chump too.
Seems I have read almost these same words, with different player names, for many of the Celtics' losses this year. Every good team the Celts play seem to be on fire. The Clippers would win 8 out of every 10 games they played against the Celtics.
And the criticism of Blake Griffin is hysterical. Just like the criticism I have read about Jalen Rose in another thread. Please -- Griffin is one of the best power forwards in the league. I don't get the irrational criticism of some of the league's best players.
So you read the same words last year too when we made the ECF with a worse record than we have now?
Blake Griffin is 100% over rated and needs to steadily improve his skillset to combine it with his athleticism.
The guy gets praised like he's Kevin Durant or Lebron but he's no where near an All Star level talent.
1. Blake Griffin IS an all star
2. Last year, with the lockout, was an anomaly.
3. There is no way the defense was EVER this bad last year.
4. This team seems to have picked up players that just don't get the defense and don't seem that they will ever get the defense. Maybe a low basketball IQ for some of them, I don't know.
5. Pierce is a year older, and while he has had some stellar games, he has had a lot of stinkers (I know, he is 8th in the league in scoring or something like that). On nights like tonight he looks like he is 20 years older. He will have more great games this season, but it seems like the consistency is gone.
6. The KG minutes thing has gotten ridiculous. You could almost put together a great comedy sketch about it. He played 4 minutes and 30 seconds in the first quarter tonight and that was it. He hits his first shot and then is out of the game. Even Scal said it is crazy. Whether KG is part of this plan or not, they simply are not going to win many games against good teams when their best big man is playing 4 plus minutes in the first quarter. Just won't work.
Point number 6 ...is well put. what was Doc doing...I think DOC FOLDED ...right there...he wasn't using KG...its like Doc is saving him like a LAST MEAL ....
Doc didn't give a rats set of nads , he wasn't going to use KG up to win the game.. With out Rondo, Doc figured KG would kill himself trying to win this game. Doc counted it as loss without Rondo, he just went though the motions.
So DOC quit....he flat out GAVE UP...... what a loser.
Pops does this all the time. The difference is, he has the players to do it.
I doubt anyone considers Pops a loser. The choice as to whom is on the roster is up to the GM.
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the clippers were on fire, and we played below average. Matt Barnes was hitting everything, blake was hitting everything.
It was a good night for them.
Play us in a 7 game series in 5 months and we'll see what happens.
Blake Griffin is such a wimp/flopper/over rated chump too.
Seems I have read almost these same words, with different player names, for many of the Celtics' losses this year. Every good team the Celts play seem to be on fire. The Clippers would win 8 out of every 10 games they played against the Celtics.
And the criticism of Blake Griffin is hysterical. Just like the criticism I have read about Jalen Rose in another thread. Please -- Griffin is one of the best power forwards in the league. I don't get the irrational criticism of some of the league's best players.
So you read the same words last year too when we made the ECF with a worse record than we have now?
Blake Griffin is 100% over rated and needs to steadily improve his skillset to combine it with his athleticism.
The guy gets praised like he's Kevin Durant or Lebron but he's no where near an All Star level talent.
1. Blake Griffin IS an all star
2. Last year, with the lockout, was an anomaly.
3. There is no way the defense was EVER this bad last year.
4. This team seems to have picked up players that just don't get the defense and don't seem that they will ever get the defense. Maybe a low basketball IQ for some of them, I don't know.
5. Pierce is a year older, and while he has had some stellar games, he has had a lot of stinkers (I know, he is 8th in the league in scoring or something like that). On nights like tonight he looks like he is 20 years older. He will have more great games this season, but it seems like the consistency is gone.
6. The KG minutes thing has gotten ridiculous. You could almost put together a great comedy sketch about it. He played 4 minutes and 30 seconds in the first quarter tonight and that was it. He hits his first shot and then is out of the game. Even Scal said it is crazy. Whether KG is part of this plan or not, they simply are not going to win many games against good teams when their best big man is playing 4 plus minutes in the first quarter. Just won't work.
Point number 6 ...is well put. what was Doc doing...I think DOC FOLDED ...right there...he wasn't using KG...its like Doc is saving him like a LAST MEAL ....
Doc didn't give a rats set of nads , he wasn't going to use KG up to win the game.. With out Rondo, Doc figured KG would kill himself trying to win this game. Doc counted it as loss without Rondo, he just went though the motions.
So DOC quit....he flat out GAVE UP...... what a loser.
Pops does this all the time. The difference is, he has the players to do it.
I doubt anyone considers Pops a loser. The choice as to whom is on the roster is up to the GM.
The Spurs also have a winning record and can take a day off. This was a discrace to everybody involved/ When KG was taken out , FAT Pierce and LAzy terry figured DOc has given up , so they coasted along , just for sake of a show.
Pop also would tolerate LOSERS like Pierce and Terry stinking up the rest of the team either ..or alot of other losuy play.
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I don't want to get into a black hole argument. It's all opinion at the end of the day. If you think there aren't 9 players that are better than Blake Griffin in the Western conference, or 3 power forwards, that's your opinion.
Young teams like the Clippers, GSW, even SAC are going to be pumped to play the legendary Celtics.
How many times have we seen a young team go crazy with adrenaline against us? Did you see how emotional the players on the Clippers and GSW were for simply hitting a three pointer against their idols KG and Pierce?
Rondo wasn't playing. We turned a 20 point deficit into an 8 point deficit. We shot HORRIDLY. They shot out of their dang minds- BOTH nights.
Please don't over react to a few road losses against up and coming young teams. I remember when people did this last year vs Philly and it was like OMG HOW CAN WE EVEN WIN ONE GAME IN A PLAYOFF SERIES!
Just playing the C's at home for these young teams is like a playoff game for them. While we limp through the regular season, get new players adjusted and get our defense right, teams like this will come and go.
But if you think the Warriors or the Clippers will shoot like that in a 7 game series it's highly unlikely.
The calls we got? Some bogus officiating just as we hit the 8 point mark.
8 points at the start of the 4th, from 20 points down. With no Rondo, against a young and solid team, shooting the lights out.
Don't jump off the cliff just yet.
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Alleged contenders beat good teams or are at least competitive teams. This team is not a contender.
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Alleged contenders beat good teams or are at least competitive teams. This team is not a contender.
This Boston team has had two great play-off runs in recent memory with worse regular season losses than this.
Yes, this Cs team is playing poorly right now. Congratulations on your miraculous insight into the world of basketball. It is plain as day that they need to get better. The mechanism of that varies by what your opinion of the problem is. But that's irrelevant.
Basically, why do you need to be such a pessimist? This team has shown great turnarounds in recent memory. And the pessimists like you always disappear when that happens, then reappear as soon as they lose, and it irritates me.
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Alleged contenders beat good teams or are at least competitive teams. This team is not a contender.
This Boston team has had two great play-off runs in recent memory with worse regular season losses than this.
Yes, this Cs team is playing poorly right now. Congratulations on your miraculous insight into the world of basketball. It is plain as day that they need to get better. The mechanism of that varies by what your opinion of the problem is. But that's irrelevant.
Basically, why do you need to be such a pessimist? This team has shown great turnarounds in recent memory. And the pessimists like you always disappear when that happens, then reappear as soon as they lose, and it irritates me.
I never disappear. Have been a fan for nearly 50 years. These are the worst back to back losses in 10 years. This team is not a contender.
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I think almost 30 games in, you should see some improvement. Team still lacks rebounding...defense is a huge issue (esp. pick and roll) and they seem to have no idea how to play together
I don't think anyone thought they would be under .500 at this point...and sooner or later they need to show us if they have anything.
I don't want to wait until the All Star break to "get things figured out". It needs to start now. 30 games into a season is plenty to at least address issue that continue to haunt them. Those issues are now becoming entrenched
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Paul Pierce's play defensively is very worrying.
It's looking like he has lost a lot on that end of the floor.
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Paul Pierce's play defensively is very worrying.
It's looking like he has lost a lot on that end of the floor.
You know what? We shouldn't have to be that worried about that. What's worrying is that you could see clear signs that Pierce was starting to measurably decline last season, yet Doc apparently made no plans to adjust for that on either offense or defense.
There's a lot of things wrong with our defense, but I suspect a big thing is that while Doc is happy to rip somebody like Sully when he misses a rotation, he lets Pierce and especially Terry stink it up out there with no reaction.
Mike
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Come out with all the negative thoughts and observations that you want because I have heard them all before in 2009-10, 2010-11 and 2011-12. Yet those teams turned things around late in the season and the playoffs and were a Game 6 Perkins injury away from a ring, a cheap dirty play by Wade away from a possible deep playoff run, and an injured Avery Bradley away from beating late year's champs in the ECFs.
They're slow.
They're old.
They aren't playing good defense.
They aren't playing good offense.
Doc sucks.
Doc isn't playing the rookies enough.
Doc is playing the older guys too much.
Thibideau is gone, he was the defensive mastermind.
Franks is gone, he was the defensive mastermind.
James Posey is gone, we needed him.
Tony Allen is gone, we needed him.
Kendrick Perkins is gone, we needed him.
Ray Allen is gone, we need him.
Rondo doesn't play defense.
Rondo dribbles too much.
Rondo can't shoot.
Blah.
Blah.
Blah.
Blah.
I have heard it all before.
I'll believe this team can't be good and won't be ready for the playoffs when they are eliminated from playing for a ring before the playoffs start or are beat by a better team in a 7 game playoff series.
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Come out with all the negative thoughts and observations that you want because I have heard them all before in 2009-10, 2010-11 and 2011-12. Yet those teams turned things around late in the season and the playoffs and were a Game 6 Perkins injury away from a ring, a cheap dirty play by Wade away from a possible deep playoff run, and an injured Avery Bradley away from beating late year's champs in the ECFs.
They're slow.
They're old.
They aren't playing good defense.
They aren't playing good offense.
Doc sucks.
Doc isn't playing the rookies enough.
Doc is playing the older guys too much.
Thibideau is gone, he was the defensive mastermind.
Franks is gone, he was the defensive mastermind.
James Posey is gone, we needed him.
Tony Allen is gone, we needed him.
Kendrick Perkins is gone, we needed him.
Ray Allen is gone, we need him.
Rondo doesn't play defense.
Rondo dribbles too much.
Rondo can't shoot.
Blah.
Blah.
Blah.
Blah.
I have heard it all before.
I'll believe this team can't be good and won't be ready for the playoffs when they are eliminated from playing for a ring before the playoffs start or are beat by a better team in a 7 game playoff series.
I love how there are always legitimate excuses for why the Celtics lose, but never any legitimate criticisms to be made. The Celtics can never fail. They can only be failed.
Mike
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Come out with all the negative thoughts and observations that you want because I have heard them all before in 2009-10, 2010-11 and 2011-12. Yet those teams turned things around late in the season and the playoffs and were a Game 6 Perkins injury away from a ring, a cheap dirty play by Wade away from a possible deep playoff run, and an injured Avery Bradley away from beating late year's champs in the ECFs.
They're slow.
They're old.
They aren't playing good defense.
They aren't playing good offense.
Doc sucks.
Doc isn't playing the rookies enough.
Doc is playing the older guys too much.
Thibideau is gone, he was the defensive mastermind.
Franks is gone, he was the defensive mastermind.
James Posey is gone, we needed him.
Tony Allen is gone, we needed him.
Kendrick Perkins is gone, we needed him.
Ray Allen is gone, we need him.
Rondo doesn't play defense.
Rondo dribbles too much.
Rondo can't shoot.
Blah.
Blah.
Blah.
Blah.
I have heard it all before.
I'll believe this team can't be good and won't be ready for the playoffs when they are eliminated from playing for a ring before the playoffs start or are beat by a better team in a 7 game playoff series.
I love how there are always legitimate excuses for why the Celtics lose, but never any legitimate criticisms to be made. The Celtics can never fail. They can only be failed.
Mike
Sorry Mike, history is on my side.
This team has played amazing basketball late in the year and in the playoffs the past three seasons after being constantly written off by many, many, many, many fans on this site earlier in each year.
I will believe they are done when they are eliminated and not a minute before.
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Come out with all the negative thoughts and observations that you want because I have heard them all before in 2009-10, 2010-11 and 2011-12. Yet those teams turned things around late in the season and the playoffs and were a Game 6 Perkins injury away from a ring, a cheap dirty play by Wade away from a possible deep playoff run, and an injured Avery Bradley away from beating late year's champs in the ECFs.
They're slow.
They're old.
They aren't playing good defense.
They aren't playing good offense.
Doc sucks.
Doc isn't playing the rookies enough.
Doc is playing the older guys too much.
Thibideau is gone, he was the defensive mastermind.
Franks is gone, he was the defensive mastermind.
James Posey is gone, we needed him.
Tony Allen is gone, we needed him.
Kendrick Perkins is gone, we needed him.
Ray Allen is gone, we need him.
Rondo doesn't play defense.
Rondo dribbles too much.
Rondo can't shoot.
Blah.
Blah.
Blah.
Blah.
I have heard it all before.
I'll believe this team can't be good and won't be ready for the playoffs when they are eliminated from playing for a ring before the playoffs start or are beat by a better team in a 7 game playoff series.
I love how there are always legitimate excuses for why the Celtics lose, but never any legitimate criticisms to be made. The Celtics can never fail. They can only be failed.
Mike
Sorry Mike, history is on my side.
This team has played amazing basketball late in the year and in the playoffs the past three seasons after being constantly written off by many, many, many, many fans on this site earlier in each year.
I will believe they are done when they are eliminated and not a minute before.
Uh, they did not play "amazing" basketball in the playoffs two years ago.
Mike
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Come out with all the negative thoughts and observations that you want because I have heard them all before in 2009-10, 2010-11 and 2011-12. Yet those teams turned things around late in the season and the playoffs and were a Game 6 Perkins injury away from a ring, a cheap dirty play by Wade away from a possible deep playoff run, and an injured Avery Bradley away from beating late year's champs in the ECFs.
They're slow.
They're old.
They aren't playing good defense.
They aren't playing good offense.
Doc sucks.
Doc isn't playing the rookies enough.
Doc is playing the older guys too much.
Thibideau is gone, he was the defensive mastermind.
Franks is gone, he was the defensive mastermind.
James Posey is gone, we needed him.
Tony Allen is gone, we needed him.
Kendrick Perkins is gone, we needed him.
Ray Allen is gone, we need him.
Rondo doesn't play defense.
Rondo dribbles too much.
Rondo can't shoot.
Blah.
Blah.
Blah.
Blah.
I have heard it all before.
I'll believe this team can't be good and won't be ready for the playoffs when they are eliminated from playing for a ring before the playoffs start or are beat by a better team in a 7 game playoff series.
I love how there are always legitimate excuses for why the Celtics lose, but never any legitimate criticisms to be made. The Celtics can never fail. They can only be failed.
Mike
Sorry Mike, history is on my side.
This team has played amazing basketball late in the year and in the playoffs the past three seasons after being constantly written off by many, many, many, many fans on this site earlier in each year.
I will believe they are done when they are eliminated and not a minute before.
Worst back to back losses in 10 years says a lot. No one will win this argument until they are eliminated from the playoffs - provided of course they make the playoffs.
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Come out with all the negative thoughts and observations that you want because I have heard them all before in 2009-10, 2010-11 and 2011-12. Yet those teams turned things around late in the season and the playoffs and were a Game 6 Perkins injury away from a ring, a cheap dirty play by Wade away from a possible deep playoff run, and an injured Avery Bradley away from beating late year's champs in the ECFs.
They're slow.
They're old.
They aren't playing good defense.
They aren't playing good offense.
Doc sucks.
Doc isn't playing the rookies enough.
Doc is playing the older guys too much.
Thibideau is gone, he was the defensive mastermind.
Franks is gone, he was the defensive mastermind.
James Posey is gone, we needed him.
Tony Allen is gone, we needed him.
Kendrick Perkins is gone, we needed him.
Ray Allen is gone, we need him.
Rondo doesn't play defense.
Rondo dribbles too much.
Rondo can't shoot.
Blah.
Blah.
Blah.
Blah.
I have heard it all before.
I'll believe this team can't be good and won't be ready for the playoffs when they are eliminated from playing for a ring before the playoffs start or are beat by a better team in a 7 game playoff series.
I love how there are always legitimate excuses for why the Celtics lose, but never any legitimate criticisms to be made. The Celtics can never fail. They can only be failed.
Mike
Sorry Mike, history is on my side.
This team has played amazing basketball late in the year and in the playoffs the past three seasons after being constantly written off by many, many, many, many fans on this site earlier in each year.
I will believe they are done when they are eliminated and not a minute before.
Worst back to back losses in 10 years says a lot. No one will win this argument until they are eliminated from the playoffs - provided of course they make the playoffs.
You're right there. It's undeniable that the Celtics are playing like hot garbage right now, but all some of us are saying is that there is some evidence to lead us to believe that they can turn it around. We'll see what happens.
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Come out with all the negative thoughts and observations that you want because I have heard them all before in 2009-10, 2010-11 and 2011-12. Yet those teams turned things around late in the season and the playoffs and were a Game 6 Perkins injury away from a ring, a cheap dirty play by Wade away from a possible deep playoff run, and an injured Avery Bradley away from beating late year's champs in the ECFs.
They're slow.
They're old.
They aren't playing good defense.
They aren't playing good offense.
Doc sucks.
Doc isn't playing the rookies enough.
Doc is playing the older guys too much.
Thibideau is gone, he was the defensive mastermind.
Franks is gone, he was the defensive mastermind.
James Posey is gone, we needed him.
Tony Allen is gone, we needed him.
Kendrick Perkins is gone, we needed him.
Ray Allen is gone, we need him.
Rondo doesn't play defense.
Rondo dribbles too much.
Rondo can't shoot.
Blah.
Blah.
Blah.
Blah.
I have heard it all before.
I'll believe this team can't be good and won't be ready for the playoffs when they are eliminated from playing for a ring before the playoffs start or are beat by a better team in a 7 game playoff series.
Did we win the championship on any of those seasons? That's why you heard that.
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Come out with all the negative thoughts and observations that you want because I have heard them all before in 2009-10, 2010-11 and 2011-12. Yet those teams turned things around late in the season and the playoffs and were a Game 6 Perkins injury away from a ring, a cheap dirty play by Wade away from a possible deep playoff run, and an injured Avery Bradley away from beating late year's champs in the ECFs.
They're slow.
They're old.
They aren't playing good defense.
They aren't playing good offense.
Doc sucks.
Doc isn't playing the rookies enough.
Doc is playing the older guys too much.
Thibideau is gone, he was the defensive mastermind.
Franks is gone, he was the defensive mastermind.
James Posey is gone, we needed him.
Tony Allen is gone, we needed him.
Kendrick Perkins is gone, we needed him.
Ray Allen is gone, we need him.
Rondo doesn't play defense.
Rondo dribbles too much.
Rondo can't shoot.
Blah.
Blah.
Blah.
Blah.
I have heard it all before.
I'll believe this team can't be good and won't be ready for the playoffs when they are eliminated from playing for a ring before the playoffs start or are beat by a better team in a 7 game playoff series.
Did we win the championship on any of those seasons? That's why you heard that.
Wrong.
I heard those things because the Celtics were not playing well at the time.
When they started playing well and started beating teams in the playoffs and started looking like a contender......yeah, people stopped saying those things and some even took time off from posting because they looked pretty lame from their incessant hammering about how bad the team was.