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Title: Brooklyn Nets fire coach Avery Johnson
Post by: JSD on December 27, 2012, 01:12:39 PM
ESPN SportsCenter - Brooklyn Nets fire coach Avery Johnson after 14-14 start to season; team is 3-10 in last 13 games.

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/8783854/avery-johnson-fired-brooklyn-nets-starting-14-14
Title: Re: Brooklyn Nets fire Avery Johnson
Post by: JSD on December 27, 2012, 01:14:14 PM
I'm curious who they will hire as a replacement. Either Van Gundy would make sense to me.
Title: Re: Brooklyn Nets fire Avery Johnson
Post by: RebusRankin on December 27, 2012, 01:15:17 PM
Deron Williams is a coach killer.
Title: Re: Brooklyn Nets fire Avery Johnson
Post by: wdleehi on December 27, 2012, 01:18:38 PM
http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/8783854/avery-johnson-fired-brooklyn-nets-starting-14-14





Not surprised.  Avery is not a good coach. 
Title: Re: Brooklyn Nets fire Avery Johnson
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on December 27, 2012, 01:19:31 PM
Iso plays not working I guess.

Not really surprised at all. this team really is underachieving.
Title: Re: Brooklyn Nets fire Avery Johnson
Post by: slamtheking on December 27, 2012, 01:21:23 PM
further proof that losing to Doc Rivers is a career-killer ;)
Title: Re: Brooklyn Nets fire Avery Johnson
Post by: Mencius on December 27, 2012, 01:22:44 PM
I'm curious who they will hire as a replacement. Either Van Gundy would make sense to me.
Yeah, curious to see who they replace him with.  Both Van Gundys are good coaches.  Who else is out there available?
Title: Re: Brooklyn Nets fire Avery Johnson
Post by: ssspence on December 27, 2012, 01:23:16 PM
I'm curious who they will hire as a replacement. Either Van Gundy would make sense to me.

They still hold out hope for Howard this summer, I believe. So no Stan, and likely no Jeff either.

Title: Re: Brooklyn Nets fire Avery Johnson
Post by: celtsfan84 on December 27, 2012, 01:24:35 PM
Brooklyn's struggles don't surprise me at all.

Any team with Humphries and Lopez as their big men was destined to struggle defensively.  Brooklyn is 25th in Opponent FG% and 19th in DEF rating.  I wouldn't want Brook Lopez and Kris Humphries as my big men, nevermind at their ridiculous salaries.  The one thing Orlando did right in the Dwight saga was to not accept Lopez and Humphries.

This is all not to mention that they are well over the cap and tax, can't do sign-and-trades anymore, can only use the taxpayer MLE, traded some of their draft picks, won't have any high draft picks upcoming, their players fit together poorly offensively, and they have an aging group that is only going to get worse.

Other than all that, they're golden.
Title: Re: Brooklyn Nets fire Avery Johnson
Post by: celtsfan84 on December 27, 2012, 01:26:02 PM
I'm curious who they will hire as a replacement. Either Van Gundy would make sense to me.

They still hold out hope for Howard this summer, I believe. So no Stan, and likely no Jeff either.

It is impossible for them to get Dwight Howard this summer.  New rules for sign-and-trades kick in this summer.  Teams above the luxury tax (like Brooklyn) can't do them. 

Dwight isn't signing with them for the league minimum.

Your Sherman Douglas pic is funny though, so TP for that.
Title: Re: Brooklyn Nets fire coach Avery Johnson
Post by: Celts Fan 92 on December 27, 2012, 01:27:19 PM
Deron Williams is weak for dis he was doggin it these past couple weeks nd dat comment bout sayin Sloan's system worked betta for him betta was suspect. elite players dont admit they system players then refuse to take shots so coaches can get fired. he lost some points for pullin dis AGAIN
Title: Re: Brooklyn Nets fire Avery Johnson
Post by: JSD on December 27, 2012, 01:34:41 PM
I'm curious who they will hire as a replacement. Either Van Gundy would make sense to me.
Yeah, curious to see who they replace him with.  Both Van Gundys are good coaches.  Who else is out there available?

Reunite Sloan and Williams?

Phil Jackson isn't realistic as he wouldn't go to a team lacking the best palyer in the NBA.

Kiki Vandeweghe?

Mike Brown?


Title: Re: Brooklyn Nets fire coach Avery Johnson
Post by: Lord of Mikawa on December 27, 2012, 01:34:51 PM
Not shocked for a team that wants results right now without putting in any real work.
Title: Re: Brooklyn Nets fire Avery Johnson
Post by: slamtheking on December 27, 2012, 01:35:11 PM
I'm curious who they will hire as a replacement. Either Van Gundy would make sense to me.
Yeah, curious to see who they replace him with.  Both Van Gundys are good coaches.  Who else is out there available?
would be surprised if they don't go with one of the assistants for the season and then go after a high-profile coach for next year like Calipari or JVG.
Title: Re: Brooklyn Nets fire coach Avery Johnson
Post by: blink on December 27, 2012, 01:35:46 PM
There are a lot worse coaches in the league than Avery Johnson.  This seems an over-reaction by nets management.  Seems like that is getting to be the norm though.

Did he lose the team?  The Nets have had a rough last couple of weeks, but really fire him now?
Title: Re: Brooklyn Nets fire coach Avery Johnson
Post by: JSD on December 27, 2012, 01:36:26 PM
Nate McMillan, Flip Saunders, Larry Brown, Brian Shaw. Maybe give Mike Budenholzer a shot?
Title: Re: Brooklyn Nets fire Avery Johnson
Post by: celtsfan84 on December 27, 2012, 01:36:35 PM
I'm curious who they will hire as a replacement. Either Van Gundy would make sense to me.
Yeah, curious to see who they replace him with.  Both Van Gundys are good coaches.  Who else is out there available?
would be surprised if they don't go with one of the assistants for the season and then go after a high-profile coach for next year like Calipari or JVG.

P.J. Carlesimo has been named the interim coach.  Gross.  Obviously that is only temporary, but still.
Title: Re: Brooklyn Nets fire Avery Johnson
Post by: Mencius on December 27, 2012, 01:38:00 PM
I'm curious who they will hire as a replacement. Either Van Gundy would make sense to me.
Yeah, curious to see who they replace him with.  Both Van Gundys are good coaches.  Who else is out there available?
would be surprised if they don't go with one of the assistants for the season and then go after a high-profile coach for next year like Calipari or JVG.

P.J. Carlesimo has been named the interim coach.  Gross.  Obviously that is only temporary, but still.
As long as Spree's not on the team, PJ should last at least a couple of weeks.
Title: Re: Brooklyn Nets fire coach Avery Johnson
Post by: JSD on December 27, 2012, 01:38:52 PM
Mike Dunleavy is another name to throw in the mix
Title: Re: Brooklyn Nets fire Avery Johnson
Post by: ScottHow on December 27, 2012, 01:43:12 PM
Deron Williams is a coach killer.

This
Title: Re: Brooklyn Nets fire coach Avery Johnson
Post by: Mencius on December 27, 2012, 01:43:53 PM
I think JVG loves his announcing gig.  SVG, I'm pretty sure, would like back in.

Like Slam, I won't be that surprised if they just see how things go with PJ, and not rush to hire a permanent head coach right away.

Title: Re: Brooklyn Nets fire Avery Johnson
Post by: hpantazo on December 27, 2012, 01:46:30 PM
Deron Williams is a coach killer.

This

sounds like the perfect job for Mike Brown then, LOL
Title: Re: Brooklyn Nets fire coach Avery Johnson
Post by: Who on December 27, 2012, 01:48:00 PM
Good decision. Avery Johnson was doing a bad job there and needed to be removed.
Title: Re: Brooklyn Nets fire coach Avery Johnson
Post by: CelticsFan9 on December 27, 2012, 01:57:53 PM
Wouldn't be surprised if Avery came to be a 'consultant' for us in the playoffs like Flip Saunders did last year.  Johnson and Doc are buddies from their SA days.
Title: Re: Brooklyn Nets fire coach Avery Johnson
Post by: TripleOT on December 27, 2012, 02:08:53 PM
D-Will kill a coach everywhere he goes.

How about David Blatt as coach?  Obviously the ties to Russia helps his case with ownership.  It might be time for an NBA team to think out of the box when picking a coach, instead of going with a retread. 
Title: Re: Brooklyn Nets fire coach Avery Johnson
Post by: Ersatz on December 27, 2012, 02:13:05 PM
There are a lot worse coaches in the league than Avery Johnson.  This seems an over-reaction by nets management.  Seems like that is getting to be the norm though.


I agree. Avery is no world-beater as a coach, but it's not his fault that the team signed to lucrative deals a 4 and a 5 that can't play defense and a1 and a 2 who seem to have forgotten how to play basketball.
Title: Re: Brooklyn Nets fire Avery Johnson
Post by: moiso on December 27, 2012, 02:15:45 PM
Iso plays not working I guess.

Not really surprised at all. this team really is underachieving.
Maybe Avery didn't do a very good job, but I think this team has been highly overrated.  I don't think the roster is all that good.  Who is the teams best player?  Williams has been an average point guard, Lopez never plays and when he does, he has a history of not rebounding or playing defense.  Unless one of these guys plays like a star, this team isn't very good.
Title: Re: Brooklyn Nets fire Avery Johnson
Post by: SHAQATTACK on December 27, 2012, 02:17:49 PM
http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/8783854/avery-johnson-fired-brooklyn-nets-starting-14-14





Not surprised.  Avery is not a good coach.

I agree ...this has been my opinion for along time. Maybe he should coach a small college team .

He looked like he was on the way out Christmas...he was awreck and under the gun .   People talking about how he completely changed most of the offense plays .  Just sounded like a despert attempt to keep his job.

D WILL ...owners just don't get it....becasue you have D WIll is NO trip to the promised land .

and yes , WIlliams looks OLD and frankly has lost a step  and only a shell of the player he once was
Title: Re: Brooklyn Nets fire coach Avery Johnson
Post by: SHAQATTACK on December 27, 2012, 02:23:20 PM
I hope they hire wierd ol PHIL JACKSON ..... just to tee off the Lakers fans.
Title: Re: Brooklyn Nets fire coach Avery Johnson
Post by: eugen on December 27, 2012, 02:24:30 PM
I think Jerry Sloan is a perfect coach for Nets. Avery Johnson? Is used to be fired...
Title: Re: Brooklyn Nets fire coach Avery Johnson
Post by: CelticG1 on December 27, 2012, 02:30:19 PM
The nets roster is not really good. There are plenty more flaws on that team than the coach.

Just about everyone on that team is overrated overpaid. Not to mention the pieces don't fit at all
Title: Re: Brooklyn Nets fire coach Avery Johnson
Post by: ScottHow on December 27, 2012, 02:42:39 PM
The nets roster is not really good. There are plenty more flaws on that team than the coach.

Just about everyone on that team is overrated overpaid. Not to mention the pieces don't fit at all

I actually think they have a really solid roster. Not championship caliber but still better than 14-14
Title: Re: Brooklyn Nets fire coach Avery Johnson
Post by: More Banners on December 27, 2012, 02:47:09 PM
The nets roster is not really good. There are plenty more flaws on that team than the coach.

Just about everyone on that team is overrated overpaid. Not to mention the pieces don't fit at all

I actually think they have a really solid roster. Not championship caliber but still better than 14-14

I thought so, too.  Williams/Johnson, I thought, would be a great pairing, and Wallace has always played an impact role at SF/PF.  Brooks was looking like a hot pick as bench scoring SG.

They just needed bigs who are consistent rebounders/putback guys, and a big who can roll.  Lopez should/could be that guy, I suppose.
Title: Re: Brooklyn Nets fire coach Avery Johnson
Post by: get_banners on December 27, 2012, 02:48:02 PM
Iso Joe + Deron is a TERRIBLE combination unless you consistently give Joe the ball late in the clock. Also, as many have noted, Lopez and Humphries can score points, but they don't do much else. You don't just throw talented offensive players together and expect to get a top team, especially not with Deron Williams' game falling off the table the past few years. The Nets were all-hype...a 5-8 seed team being sold as a legit contender. Not surprised they're struggling.
Title: Re: Brooklyn Nets fire coach Avery Johnson
Post by: CelticG1 on December 27, 2012, 02:59:00 PM
Pretty surprised that people think this group is that talented. Were people paying attention to Joe Johnson in the playoffs against us?

I mean I don't think their players are bad just bot that great or as i said overrated. People say Lopez is a top center in the east, ugh well there are like 3 centers in the east. Gerald Wallace has never really been that great. He's pretty average offensively, is always injured.

I mean Williams is the only player that could be looked at as a top tier guy in the league but if he doesn't carry this team on its shoulders than they will be a lower seed in the playoffs.

Btw they became a 500 team like 15 hours ago and the season is still young. They could easily roll off 3-4 wins and change that record immediately. As of right now they are games back of the 4th seed

Even if you compare the Nets "talent wise" ignoring the total dysfunction of that group I still place Miami, knicks, hawks, Celts, and Pacers above them
Title: Re: Brooklyn Nets fire coach Avery Johnson
Post by: Celts Fan 92 on December 27, 2012, 03:07:29 PM
rofl @ da hawks nd pacers havin a betta roster then da nets. Joe nd Deron shootin below 40% from da field aint help things out at all. only thing i hold against Avery is not givin Marshonn Brooks any time he aint deserve to get fired
Title: Re: Brooklyn Nets fire coach Avery Johnson
Post by: RJ87 on December 27, 2012, 03:12:41 PM
Seems rash to fire a coach who just got Coach of the Month honors in November. They're going through a rough patch, but could've def turned it around.

Deron Williams is going to get trashed in NY media - and rightfully so. 2 different teams and 2 different coaches. Regardless of him disagreeing with the offense Avery had in place, he should've acted like the leader he's supposed to be and discussed it behind closed doors. After what happened with Sloan in Utah, one of the greatest coaches of all time, its pretty obvious D.Will has an issue holding himself accountable. Can a guy who constantly plays the blame game lead a team to a championship? I'm gonna say no.
Title: Re: Brooklyn Nets fire coach Avery Johnson
Post by: Fafnir on December 27, 2012, 03:33:54 PM
I haven't thought much of his coaching for the past two years so not a huge surprise. Though I question what caliber of coach they'll be able to replace him with mid-season.

Nets are essentially locked into this roster, so whomever takes it will have to make this group work.
Title: Re: Brooklyn Nets fire coach Avery Johnson
Post by: CelticG1 on December 27, 2012, 03:46:44 PM
rofl @ da hawks nd pacers havin a betta roster then da nets. Joe nd Deron shootin below 40% from da field aint help things out at all. only thing i hold against Avery is not givin Marshonn Brooks any time he aint deserve to get fired

Joe johnson is on rashard Lewis level as far as bad contracts go.

Without a doubt I would take J smith or Granger over him.

What's up with Deron? He looks to be about 75 pounds over weight, can he even dunk it?
Title: Re: Brooklyn Nets fire coach Avery Johnson
Post by: ManUp on December 27, 2012, 03:51:55 PM
I'm not surprised, I don't think he's a very good coach.
Title: Re: Brooklyn Nets fire coach Avery Johnson
Post by: Smitty77 on December 27, 2012, 04:00:25 PM
What in the heck is GROSS about PJ????
Title: Re: Brooklyn Nets fire coach Avery Johnson
Post by: Kane3387 on December 27, 2012, 04:05:11 PM
Larry Brown?
Title: Re: Brooklyn Nets fire coach Avery Johnson
Post by: celtsfan84 on December 27, 2012, 04:05:59 PM
What in the heck is GROSS about PJ????

Being 90 games below .500 is a nice place to start.
Title: Re: Brooklyn Nets fire coach Avery Johnson
Post by: hpantazo on December 27, 2012, 04:06:46 PM
It's not just that Avery Johnson is a bad coach, which he is, it's also that a normal human being can only put up with his screeching for so long.
Title: Re: Brooklyn Nets fire coach Avery Johnson
Post by: SHAQATTACK on December 27, 2012, 04:12:38 PM
a normal human being can only put up with his screeching for so long.

thats some funny stuff right there !! TP ;D
Title: Re: Brooklyn Nets fire coach Avery Johnson
Post by: celtsfan84 on December 27, 2012, 04:13:01 PM
Iso Joe + Deron is a TERRIBLE combination unless you consistently give Joe the ball late in the clock. Also, as many have noted, Lopez and Humphries can score points, but they don't do much else. You don't just throw talented offensive players together and expect to get a top team, especially not with Deron Williams' game falling off the table the past few years. The Nets were all-hype...a 5-8 seed team being sold as a legit contender. Not surprised they're struggling.

I'd say this is spot on.  The roster is a defensive nightmare and the pieces fit together so poorly offensively.  It's more of a "fantasy basketball" team than a real basketball team.  Who protects the rim?  Who defends quick big men? Who can run pick and roll with DeRon? Who spaces the floor for Lopez to operate in the post?  It is such an awful fit.

The problem, as Fafnir pointed out, is this roster is stuck in place.  Well above the tax and on long contracts.  The (flawed) roster can't change, so desperation says to change the coach.  Brooklyn is destined to be a mediocre 6 or 7 seed or so for the next 5 or 6 years.
Title: Re: Brooklyn Nets fire Avery Johnson
Post by: pearljammer10 on December 27, 2012, 04:17:31 PM
http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/8783854/avery-johnson-fired-brooklyn-nets-starting-14-14





Not surprised.  Avery is not a good coach.

This sums it up. Still surprising to see. Brooklyn has a ton of expectations, but now who replaces him? If they can get a good coach to maximize the talent and put it into a good system then I could finally buy the Nets Hype...

They are just so dumb I dont think this group is going to work with anyone. Iso Joe kills the system. Williams kills coaches. I just dont see it working.
Title: Re: Brooklyn Nets fire coach Avery Johnson
Post by: blink on December 27, 2012, 04:19:08 PM
I haven't thought much of his coaching for the past two years so not a huge surprise. Though I question what caliber of coach they'll be able to replace him with mid-season.

Nets are essentially locked into this roster, so whomever takes it will have to make this group work.

I agree, it isn't the best time to be looking for a new coach. 

I just don't understand their front office.  He had a bad record the last couple of years (prob not his fault, terrible roster).  If you don't like him fire him in between seasons. 
Title: Re: Brooklyn Nets fire coach Avery Johnson
Post by: Birdman on December 27, 2012, 04:26:56 PM
Whoever is the next coach is, he better be like by Deron Williams or he will be fired by April..2nd coach to be ax by Williams..Sloan, Avery, and next?
Title: Re: Brooklyn Nets fire coach Avery Johnson
Post by: Birdman on December 27, 2012, 04:39:44 PM
P J Carlesimo..bit of advice, dont buy a home in Brooklyn..u wont be there long
Title: Re: Brooklyn Nets fire coach Avery Johnson
Post by: Celts Fan 92 on December 27, 2012, 04:40:23 PM
rofl @ da hawks nd pacers havin a betta roster then da nets. Joe nd Deron shootin below 40% from da field aint help things out at all. only thing i hold against Avery is not givin Marshonn Brooks any time he aint deserve to get fired

Joe johnson is on rashard Lewis level as far as bad contracts go.

Without a doubt I would take J smith or Granger over him.

What's up with Deron? He looks to be about 75 pounds over weight, can he even dunk it?
u talmbout entire rosters tho? lol Nets have a betta bench wit Blatche nd Brooks who was underused nd Granger is not betta then Joe Johnson. Brook is capable of averaging 20ppg Hibbert nd Horford aint pull dat off yet. Pacers nd Hawks got a weaker bench then da nets
Title: Re: Brooklyn Nets fire coach Avery Johnson
Post by: CelticG1 on December 27, 2012, 04:51:53 PM
rofl @ da hawks nd pacers havin a betta roster then da nets. Joe nd Deron shootin below 40% from da field aint help things out at all. only thing i hold against Avery is not givin Marshonn Brooks any time he aint deserve to get fired

Joe johnson is on rashard Lewis level as far as bad contracts go.

Without a doubt I would take J smith or Granger over him.

What's up with Deron? He looks to be about 75 pounds over weight, can he even dunk it?
u talmbout entire rosters tho? lol Nets have a betta bench wit Blatche nd Brooks who was underused nd Granger is not betta then Joe Johnson. Brook is capable of averaging 20ppg Hibbert nd Horford aint pull dat off yet. Pacers nd Hawks got a weaker bench then da nets

Im just pointing out that the Nets roster, even on paper isn't that great. Everyone is overrated and overpaid.

Your the one apparently rolling on the floor laughing. Congrats to the nets for possibly having a better 10th and 11th man maybe than the hawks and pacers
Title: Re: Brooklyn Nets fire coach Avery Johnson
Post by: TripleOT on December 27, 2012, 04:54:10 PM
u talmbout entire rosters tho? lol Nets have a betta bench wit Blatche nd Brooks who was underused nd Granger is not betta then Joe Johnson. Brook is capable of averaging 20ppg Hibbert nd Horford aint pull dat off yet. Pacers nd Hawks got a weaker bench then da nets
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There are way too many words spelled properly in this post.  Pretty soon, should we expect an actual sentence, perfectly constructed?
Title: Re: Brooklyn Nets fire coach Avery Johnson
Post by: Birdman on December 27, 2012, 05:00:11 PM
Marc Stein reports Nets will contact Phil Jackson..will i can tell u right now he wont take the job because he doesnt have an elite player on the team like Shaq, Kobe, or MJ..he cant win unless he has the top player in the game
Title: Re: Brooklyn Nets fire coach Avery Johnson
Post by: Celts Fan 92 on December 27, 2012, 05:06:55 PM
u talmbout entire rosters tho? lol Nets have a betta bench wit Blatche nd Brooks who was underused nd Granger is not betta then Joe Johnson. Brook is capable of averaging 20ppg Hibbert nd Horford aint pull dat off yet. Pacers nd Hawks got a weaker bench then da nets

There are way too many words spelled properly in this post.  Pretty soon, should we expect an actual sentence, perfectly constructed?
[/quote]like i said before i type like i talk lol one day ima put a vid up so yall can see i mix it up wit slang nd big words cuz im nice like dat. Just how Black AX operates nd percolates ya dig?
Title: Re: Brooklyn Nets fire coach Avery Johnson
Post by: Celts Fan 92 on December 27, 2012, 05:08:35 PM
rofl @ da hawks nd pacers havin a betta roster then da nets. Joe nd Deron shootin below 40% from da field aint help things out at all. only thing i hold against Avery is not givin Marshonn Brooks any time he aint deserve to get fired

Joe johnson is on rashard Lewis level as far as bad contracts go.

Without a doubt I would take J smith or Granger over him.

What's up with Deron? He looks to be about 75 pounds over weight, can he even dunk it?
u talmbout entire rosters tho? lol Nets have a betta bench wit Blatche nd Brooks who was underused nd Granger is not betta then Joe Johnson. Brook is capable of averaging 20ppg Hibbert nd Horford aint pull dat off yet. Pacers nd Hawks got a weaker bench then da nets

Im just pointing out that the Nets roster, even on paper isn't that great. Everyone is overrated and overpaid.

Your the one apparently rolling on the floor laughing. Congrats to the nets for possibly having a better 10th and 11th man maybe than the hawks and pacers
why u actin like ima nets fan or sumthin? lol i just think 1-15 they got a betta roster then da hawks nd pacers just my opinion jack
Title: Re: Brooklyn Nets fire coach Avery Johnson
Post by: SHAQATTACK on December 27, 2012, 05:09:23 PM
Marc Stein reports Nets will contact Phil Jackson..will i can tell u right now he wont take the job because he doesnt have an elite player on the team like Shaq, Kobe, or MJ..he cant win unless he has the top player in the game

you stole my post material... yup... Phil won't coach a team with out top 5 talent .  He is worthless and couldn't coach a team like the Nets itf his life depended on it. He is a "professional BABY SITTER" not a basketball coach like Tommy or Red.

He wants ALL THE GLORY and none of the WORK...

My "DOG" can coach Kobe, LMB and MJ and have a winning record. 
Title: Re: Brooklyn Nets fire coach Avery Johnson
Post by: hpantazo on December 27, 2012, 05:11:06 PM
Marc Stein reports Nets will contact Phil Jackson..will i can tell u right now he wont take the job because he doesnt have an elite player on the team like Shaq, Kobe, or MJ..he cant win unless he has the top player in the game

you stole my post material... yup... Phil won't coach a team with out top 5 talent .  He is worthless and couldn't coach a team like the Nets itf his life depended on it. He is a "professional BABY SITTER" not a basketball coach like Tommy or Red.

He wants ALL THE GLORY and none of the WORK...

My "DOG" can coach Kobe, LMB and MJ and have a winning record.

He won't do it, but I would LOVE to see Phil take this job and tarnish his legacy, so that the rest of the world can clearly see how poor of a coach he really is.
Title: Re: Brooklyn Nets fire coach Avery Johnson
Post by: pearljammer10 on December 27, 2012, 05:21:43 PM
Iso Joe + Deron is a TERRIBLE combination unless you consistently give Joe the ball late in the clock. Also, as many have noted, Lopez and Humphries can score points, but they don't do much else. You don't just throw talented offensive players together and expect to get a top team, especially not with Deron Williams' game falling off the table the past few years. The Nets were all-hype...a 5-8 seed team being sold as a legit contender. Not surprised they're struggling.

I'd say this is spot on.  The roster is a defensive nightmare and the pieces fit together so poorly offensively.  It's more of a "fantasy basketball" team than a real basketball team.  Who protects the rim?  Who defends quick big men? Who can run pick and roll with DeRon? Who spaces the floor for Lopez to operate in the post?  It is such an awful fit.

The problem, as Fafnir pointed out, is this roster is stuck in place.  Well above the tax and on long contracts.  The (flawed) roster can't change, so desperation says to change the coach.  Brooklyn is destined to be a mediocre 6 or 7 seed or so for the next 5 or 6 years.

Have to double agree with both of these. Not only are they are terrible fit together, but they are so DUMB, it actually ticks me off to watch these guys play against one another.
Title: Re: Brooklyn Nets fire coach Avery Johnson
Post by: mctyson on December 27, 2012, 05:24:33 PM
First - Deron Williams is a coach killer.

Second - Joe Johnson was a horrible signing by them.

Third - They are an INSANE cast of characters...D-Will, Reggie Evans, Andrey Blatche, Brook Lopez, Joe Johnson...etc.  Who is the leader of that squad?  Oh right, the coach killer.

Last - D-Will is overrated, he is breaking down physically, and he will be one of the worst contracts in the league in a few years.
Title: Re: Brooklyn Nets fire coach Avery Johnson
Post by: RebusRankin on December 27, 2012, 05:33:16 PM
Would love to see Jackson be there and fail.

Funny thing is the GM is Billy King, say guy who messed up Philly.
Title: Re: Brooklyn Nets fire coach Avery Johnson
Post by: Who on December 27, 2012, 05:54:51 PM
Iso Joe + Deron is a TERRIBLE combination unless you consistently give Joe the ball late in the clock. Also, as many have noted, Lopez and Humphries can score points, but they don't do much else. You don't just throw talented offensive players together and expect to get a top team, especially not with Deron Williams' game falling off the table the past few years. The Nets were all-hype...a 5-8 seed team being sold as a legit contender. Not surprised they're struggling.

I'd say this is spot on.  The roster is a defensive nightmare and the pieces fit together so poorly offensively.  It's more of a "fantasy basketball" team than a real basketball team.  Who protects the rim?  Who defends quick big men? Who can run pick and roll with DeRon? Who spaces the floor for Lopez to operate in the post?  It is such an awful fit.

The problem, as Fafnir pointed out, is this roster is stuck in place.  Well above the tax and on long contracts.  The (flawed) roster can't change, so desperation says to change the coach.  Brooklyn is destined to be a mediocre 6 or 7 seed or so for the next 5 or 6 years.

Have to double agree with both of these. Not only are they are terrible fit together, but they are so DUMB, it actually ticks me off to watch these guys play against one another.

I disagree, I think only one piece doesn't fit (Humphries) and when (if) they fix that problem ... Brooklyn will be a force in the East.

I really like the Deron + JJ + G.Wallace + B.Lopez mix. Now they need a Varejao type to round it out. To provide that high level interior defense and rebounding presence they sorely need alongside B.Lopez' highly skilled offensive game.
Title: Re: Brooklyn Nets fire coach Avery Johnson
Post by: Rtpas11 on December 27, 2012, 06:43:37 PM
word has it... Jay said "They're getting Phil Jackson" Joe Johnson is about to go off in that Triangle Offense
Title: Re: Brooklyn Nets fire coach Avery Johnson
Post by: celtsfan84 on December 27, 2012, 06:53:44 PM
Iso Joe + Deron is a TERRIBLE combination unless you consistently give Joe the ball late in the clock. Also, as many have noted, Lopez and Humphries can score points, but they don't do much else. You don't just throw talented offensive players together and expect to get a top team, especially not with Deron Williams' game falling off the table the past few years. The Nets were all-hype...a 5-8 seed team being sold as a legit contender. Not surprised they're struggling.

I'd say this is spot on.  The roster is a defensive nightmare and the pieces fit together so poorly offensively.  It's more of a "fantasy basketball" team than a real basketball team.  Who protects the rim?  Who defends quick big men? Who can run pick and roll with DeRon? Who spaces the floor for Lopez to operate in the post?  It is such an awful fit.

The problem, as Fafnir pointed out, is this roster is stuck in place.  Well above the tax and on long contracts.  The (flawed) roster can't change, so desperation says to change the coach.  Brooklyn is destined to be a mediocre 6 or 7 seed or so for the next 5 or 6 years.

Have to double agree with both of these. Not only are they are terrible fit together, but they are so DUMB, it actually ticks me off to watch these guys play against one another.

I disagree, I think only one piece doesn't fit (Humphries) and when (if) they fix that problem ... Brooklyn will be a force in the East.

I really like the Deron + JJ + G.Wallace + B.Lopez mix. Now they need a Varejao type to round it out. To provide that high level interior defense and rebounding presence they sorely need alongside B.Lopez' highly skilled offensive game.

Maybe so.  Their pieces still really don't fit.

As a comparison, our Big 3 era lineup (Rondo, Ray, Paul, KG,Perkins) fit like a glove.
-Ray, KG, and Paul all spaced the floor for Rondo's penetration
-Rondo and KG or Paul and KG were lethal "pick your poison" combinations on pick and rolls
-Ray and Paul spaced the floor for KG's post game
-Perkins handled put back, screens, and the offensive glass

All 5 players had a defined role, there was little overlap.  Each brought something different and necessary to the table.  Brooklyn's roster doesn't do that. 

What exactly does Gerald Wallace or Brook Lopez bring on offense when Joe Johnson is working an ISO?  Poor outside shooting?

What exactly does anyone on the roster bring when Lopez is posting up?

Which big man runs pick and roll with DeRon or Joe?  The slow footed Lopez?

Varejao is a pretty high level role player.  A lot of teams would be really good if they added someone like him (Boston included).  And a team like Brooklyn, with aging stars, expensive and long contracts, and no flexibility, has no way of getting that final piece.  It is mission impossible to add Varejao or someone like him.
Title: Re: Brooklyn Nets fire coach Avery Johnson
Post by: Who on December 27, 2012, 07:45:06 PM
I would liken the Nets somewhat to the 1990s Indiana Pacers.

With Brook Lopez in that Rik Smits role (very strong offensive threat with inside-outside game, below average but passable defender/rebounder). Gerald Wallace in the Derrick McKey role (high level defender, quality possession creator, auxiliary scorer). The PF position (the Humphries replacement) needs to be a Dale Davis type player (high level physical interior defender/rebounder).

And then with Deron Williams and Joe Johnson as a high powered backcourt (different and more effective than R.Miller and M.Jackson).



I think Joe Johnson is one of the most versatile scorers in the league. He is a very good jump-shooter from all over the court (close range, midrange, long two point, three point threat). He can space the floor. He has a lethal post-up game. He is a very strong ball-handler and passer. A very effective pull-up jumper off the dribble. Play pick and roll basketball. Effective on and off the ball due to his ball-handling and shooting ability. Not that good in transition anymore but an effective trailer and occasional finisher. At 6 foot 8 230lbs, JJ is a matchup nightmare for most two guards in the league.

I also think Deron Williams is one of the most well rounded scorers and overall point guards in basketball. He does pretty much everything on the court at a good to very strong level.

I consider Brook Lopez a really good pick and roll player because he is such a strong finisher around the rim (great touch around the basket, excellent size/frame) and because he can pick and pop as well as pick and roll. I think he works well with Deron or JJ there.

I think those three give Brooklyn a very strong base offensively to build their team around. I like the options they create and their capacity to play alongside one another due to the scoring versatility of Joe Johnson and Deron Williams + the inside/outside game of Brook Lopez. I blame Avery Johnson for the Nets disjointed offense so far.



Gerald Wallace should play both SF and PF minutes for New Jersey. When they need to matchup against quicker teams or want to create matchup problems for their opponents, they should switch G-Wallace there and up the tempo offensively and defensively.

They will be more of a slower team, a power based team, while Gerald Wallace is at the three. A very big perimeter trio and a center with good size. Hopefully someday a PF with good size. When they move Gerald Wallace to the four, that is where/when most of their transition opportunities will be.



I really like Mirza Teletovic on their bench. At 6-8 230lbs and another well-rounded scorer with shooting ability and a post up game. A good shot-creator. I think they have a strong offensive option there behind G-Wallace to put in a small-ball lineup alongside G-Wallace (PF). Very disappointed by his lack of minutes so far.

CJ Watson is a good two-way backup point guard. Blatche is a strong backup center. Very few, if any, backup centers possess the skill-level and offensive talent that Blatche brings to the table. A matchup problem. Marshon Brooks has shown some potential as a scorer. Not wild about Reggie Evans but he has some redeeming qualities (terrific rebounder, physical toughness, nastiness). So there is a fair bit of talent on the bench already.



They are just one piece shy. A big piece. A Dale Davis (Anderson Varejao) level piece. You could call that player a high level player if you want or a low level star (may be more fitting considering their impact). either way, a really important player. Both of those are/where clearly very effective players. It's no small addition. It's a very significant piece of the puzzle and no sure thing that they'll be able to land that piece.

But if they get that piece, I would consider them a title contender. I think that is the final piece that when added to their current core puts them in the title mix. So they are not that far away. They are not a title contender today but they have a strong base there (Deron, JJ, B.Lopez, G.Wallace) that is close to being where they want to get to.

Now we'll just need to wait and see if they can get a bit of luck and pull it off. Land that final piece they need to complete their team. To take them to that next level.



I think this Kris Humphries situation will play a big role. They don't have that many (trade) assets. So he is a big variable here. As a trade asset.

What they get in return for him could play a huge role in deciding whether they can make (or not) an attractive offer for that final piece of their starting lineup (maybe not now but down the road).
Title: Re: Brooklyn Nets fire coach Avery Johnson
Post by: moiso on December 27, 2012, 08:10:45 PM
Another thing the Nets are missing- a huge thing- is a leader.  The pacers were Reggie's team.  One would assume that Deron Williams should be the leader but it hasn't appeared that's the case so far.
Title: Re: Brooklyn Nets fire coach Avery Johnson
Post by: jdz101 on December 27, 2012, 08:17:53 PM
D-will was probably whining to management about Avery.

What a poison that guy is to basketball teams.
Title: Re: Brooklyn Nets fire coach Avery Johnson
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on December 27, 2012, 08:32:45 PM
I don't like to see him fired, but he isn't a good coach....this team has everything it needs, and humphries is a strong player, rebounds, scores...defends....
Lopez is an odd center....plays like he is shorter...and brings the ball down when he should keep it up...kendrick perkins disease....but overall it is a very solid team...as i always said deron is not 1/2 as good as rondo...
Title: Re: Brooklyn Nets fire coach Avery Johnson
Post by: Boris Badenov on December 27, 2012, 09:01:41 PM
Anyone else feel not quite so good anymore about our big victory a couple of days ago?
Title: Re: Brooklyn Nets fire coach Avery Johnson
Post by: Celts Fan 92 on December 27, 2012, 09:10:49 PM
http://basketball.realgm.com/blog/225247/ (http://basketball.realgm.com/blog/225247/)

"Hours away from Avery Johnson’s firing, Deron Williams sat on the far end of the locker room late Wednesday night, wearing a suit and playing games on his electronic products. The Brooklyn Nets had just dropped to .500 with a punctuating 15-point loss to the Bucks, and Williams was at ease, disengaged with his teammates and spent most of the night trying to beat a team family member in these little games.

There were players downright seething Wednesday night about the freefall that’s taking place right now. These are veterans openly questioning where the commitment has gone, the team’s fifth-leading scorer, Gerald Wallace, having to be the one to send messages to his teammates about their selfishness, about how they should hate losing too."


just a small piece from dat article like i said earlier they quit on Avery. D-Will aint no leader he's losin points smh
Title: Re: Brooklyn Nets fire coach Avery Johnson
Post by: syfy9 on December 27, 2012, 09:26:03 PM
http://basketball.realgm.com/blog/225247/ (http://basketball.realgm.com/blog/225247/)

"Hours away from Avery Johnson’s firing, Deron Williams sat on the far end of the locker room late Wednesday night, wearing a suit and playing games on his electronic products. The Brooklyn Nets had just dropped to .500 with a punctuating 15-point loss to the Bucks, and Williams was at ease, disengaged with his teammates and spent most of the night trying to beat a team family member in these little games.

There were players downright seething Wednesday night about the freefall that’s taking place right now. These are veterans openly questioning where the commitment has gone, the team’s fifth-leading scorer, Gerald Wallace, having to be the one to send messages to his teammates about their selfishness, about how they should hate losing too."


just a small piece from dat article like i said earlier they quit on Avery. D-Will aint no leader he's losin points smh

It's the doodle jump, man. It's addicting.
Title: Re: Brooklyn Nets fire coach Avery Johnson
Post by: hpantazo on December 27, 2012, 09:29:00 PM
http://basketball.realgm.com/blog/225247/ (http://basketball.realgm.com/blog/225247/)

"Hours away from Avery Johnson’s firing, Deron Williams sat on the far end of the locker room late Wednesday night, wearing a suit and playing games on his electronic products. The Brooklyn Nets had just dropped to .500 with a punctuating 15-point loss to the Bucks, and Williams was at ease, disengaged with his teammates and spent most of the night trying to beat a team family member in these little games.

There were players downright seething Wednesday night about the freefall that’s taking place right now. These are veterans openly questioning where the commitment has gone, the team’s fifth-leading scorer, Gerald Wallace, having to be the one to send messages to his teammates about their selfishness, about how they should hate losing too."


just a small piece from dat article like i said earlier they quit on Avery. D-Will aint no leader he's losin points smh

all I know is, if most of us went to work and played video games while our company failed to meet a goal, we would be fired.
Title: Re: Brooklyn Nets fire coach Avery Johnson
Post by: pearljammer10 on December 27, 2012, 09:31:42 PM
http://basketball.realgm.com/blog/225247/ (http://basketball.realgm.com/blog/225247/)

"Hours away from Avery Johnson’s firing, Deron Williams sat on the far end of the locker room late Wednesday night, wearing a suit and playing games on his electronic products. The Brooklyn Nets had just dropped to .500 with a punctuating 15-point loss to the Bucks, and Williams was at ease, disengaged with his teammates and spent most of the night trying to beat a team family member in these little games.

There were players downright seething Wednesday night about the freefall that’s taking place right now. These are veterans openly questioning where the commitment has gone, the team’s fifth-leading scorer, Gerald Wallace, having to be the one to send messages to his teammates about their selfishness, about how they should hate losing too."


just a small piece from dat article like i said earlier they quit on Avery. D-Will aint no leader he's losin points smh

Never understood the DWill hype. Now his true colors are showing this season. Looks over weight, out of shape, and just getting worse. Ive Always had Rondo above Dwill and it looks like its finally becoming definitely clear.
Title: Re: Brooklyn Nets fire coach Avery Johnson
Post by: soap07 on December 27, 2012, 09:36:55 PM
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He won't do it, but I would LOVE to see Phil take this job and tarnish his legacy, so that the rest of the world can clearly see how poor of a coach he really is.

11 rings. 11. A poor coach doesn't win 11 rings. It wouldn't make a single difference to his legacy if he lost every game as a coach of the Nets.
Title: Re: Brooklyn Nets fire coach Avery Johnson
Post by: Celts Fan 92 on December 27, 2012, 09:38:00 PM
http://basketball.realgm.com/blog/225247/ (http://basketball.realgm.com/blog/225247/)

"Hours away from Avery Johnson’s firing, Deron Williams sat on the far end of the locker room late Wednesday night, wearing a suit and playing games on his electronic products. The Brooklyn Nets had just dropped to .500 with a punctuating 15-point loss to the Bucks, and Williams was at ease, disengaged with his teammates and spent most of the night trying to beat a team family member in these little games.

There were players downright seething Wednesday night about the freefall that’s taking place right now. These are veterans openly questioning where the commitment has gone, the team’s fifth-leading scorer, Gerald Wallace, having to be the one to send messages to his teammates about their selfishness, about how they should hate losing too."


just a small piece from dat article like i said earlier they quit on Avery. D-Will aint no leader he's losin points smh

Never understood the DWill hype. Now his true colors are showing this season. Looks over weight, out of shape, and just getting worse. Ive Always had Rondo above Dwill and it looks like its finally becoming definitely clear.
yea man cant believe people had him as da 2nd best PG. dude aint no winner nd admitted he was a system PG. if he cant get it done dis year his elite label should be removed
Title: Re: Brooklyn Nets fire coach Avery Johnson
Post by: Celts Fan 92 on December 27, 2012, 09:39:43 PM
http://basketball.realgm.com/blog/225247/ (http://basketball.realgm.com/blog/225247/)

"Hours away from Avery Johnson’s firing, Deron Williams sat on the far end of the locker room late Wednesday night, wearing a suit and playing games on his electronic products. The Brooklyn Nets had just dropped to .500 with a punctuating 15-point loss to the Bucks, and Williams was at ease, disengaged with his teammates and spent most of the night trying to beat a team family member in these little games.

There were players downright seething Wednesday night about the freefall that’s taking place right now. These are veterans openly questioning where the commitment has gone, the team’s fifth-leading scorer, Gerald Wallace, having to be the one to send messages to his teammates about their selfishness, about how they should hate losing too."


just a small piece from dat article like i said earlier they quit on Avery. D-Will aint no leader he's losin points smh

all I know is, if most of us went to work and played video games while our company failed to meet a goal, we would be fired.
co-sign, shame dis is a $100 million man nd star player refusin to own up to a leadership role
Title: Re: Brooklyn Nets fire coach Avery Johnson
Post by: slamtheking on December 27, 2012, 10:27:10 PM
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He won't do it, but I would LOVE to see Phil take this job and tarnish his legacy, so that the rest of the world can clearly see how poor of a coach he really is.

11 rings. 11. A poor coach doesn't win 11 rings. It wouldn't make a single difference to his legacy if he lost every game as a coach of the Nets.
let him coach a team without a Jordan, Kobe/Shaq or Kobe/Pau/Bynum/Odom lineup and we'll see how impressive he is.  I think the fact Doc (DOC of all people) outcoached Phil in the 2008 finals speaks volumes.  Phil wouldn't have won his last 2 rings if KG doesn't get injured in 2009 or Perk doesn't get injured in 2010. 

Phil's the most overrated coach in NBA history.  He needs to take on a less-than-stellar team and do better than expected to show he's close to deserving of the hype.
Title: Re: Brooklyn Nets fire coach Avery Johnson
Post by: hpantazo on December 27, 2012, 10:40:34 PM
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He won't do it, but I would LOVE to see Phil take this job and tarnish his legacy, so that the rest of the world can clearly see how poor of a coach he really is.

11 rings. 11. A poor coach doesn't win 11 rings. It wouldn't make a single difference to his legacy if he lost every game as a coach of the Nets.
let him coach a team without a Jordan, Kobe/Shaq or Kobe/Pau/Bynum/Odom lineup and we'll see how impressive he is.  I think the fact Doc (DOC of all people) outcoached Phil in the 2008 finals speaks volumes.  Phil wouldn't have won his last 2 rings if KG doesn't get injured in 2009 or Perk doesn't get injured in 2010. 

Phil's the most overrated coach in NBA history.  He needs to take on a less-than-stellar team and do better than expected to show he's close to deserving of the hype.

by far the most overrated coach in league history. He never, ever coached a team without 2 elite players.
Title: Re: Brooklyn Nets fire coach Avery Johnson
Post by: indeedproceed on December 27, 2012, 10:46:49 PM
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He won't do it, but I would LOVE to see Phil take this job and tarnish his legacy, so that the rest of the world can clearly see how poor of a coach he really is.

11 rings. 11. A poor coach doesn't win 11 rings. It wouldn't make a single difference to his legacy if he lost every game as a coach of the Nets.
let him coach a team without a Jordan, Kobe/Shaq or Kobe/Pau/Bynum/Odom lineup and we'll see how impressive he is.  I think the fact Doc (DOC of all people) outcoached Phil in the 2008 finals speaks volumes.  Phil wouldn't have won his last 2 rings if KG doesn't get injured in 2009 or Perk doesn't get injured in 2010. 

Phil's the most overrated coach in NBA history.  He needs to take on a less-than-stellar team and do better than expected to show he's close to deserving of the hype.

I think this line of reasoning is pretty flawed. Who has won the rings this century?

Phil Jackson: Kobe, Prime Shaq, Gasol
Greg Popovich: Tim Duncan, Manu, Tony Parker
Doc: KG, Pierce, Ray Allen
Spolestra: Lebron, Wade, Bosh
Carlisle: Kidd, Dirk, Chandler, Matrix
Larry Brown: Sheed, Billups, Big Ben, etc..

Every single person on that list excepting maybe Larry Brown had MUITPLE HOFers on their squad. When you figure that for 2 of Phil's rings Kobe was the only probable HOFer active, he absolutely deserves a healthy amount of respect for his coaching acumen. Larry Brown looks like the coach who did the most with the least on the list.

Phil Jackson is either the greatest coach of all time, or the second greatest.
Title: Re: Brooklyn Nets fire coach Avery Johnson
Post by: BASS_THUMPER on December 27, 2012, 10:48:27 PM
nothin wrong with avery

it's dem big headed ballas