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Title: Looking ahead to 2013 draft
Post by: CFAN38 on December 27, 2012, 11:57:55 AM
The 2013 draft appears to have decent middle round value and depending on who comes out a ton of projects.

If the project big men over take the top ten then a team like the Cs could see a solid college player fall to them in the middle of the first.

Early list of player to watch.

these are guy projected to go in the middle first who might make great future celtics.

Andre Robinson   athletic SF who averages 11pts 11rb per, hustle guy who could be great with rondo in open court

Doug McDermott   Wally Szerbiack like SF great shooter

Jeff Withey      Elite shot blocking Center

Kentavious Caldwell-Pope  2 guard with solid size and range seems to have a nice skill set to develop as the 3rd guard with rondo and AB



Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2013 draft
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on December 27, 2012, 12:17:53 PM
Give me Caldwell-Pope. Solid length for a 2 at 6'6". Good shooter with a good form and quick release. Most of all, the dkid can and will flat out defend Guards (just Guards, he has very short wingspan which might be difficult against Small Forwards). Very intense defender, very good in bothering the passing lanes.

Imagine having him and AB as our 2 guard rotation, both can shutdown opposing Guards. Yeah, give me some of that. Or Steven Adams of Pitt, or Alex Len of Maryland.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2013 draft
Post by: CelticsFan9 on December 27, 2012, 12:56:45 PM
In terms of big men, Gorgui Dieng of Louisville and Isaiah Austin of Baylor are two guys that can really help us in the future.

Both are VERY skinny.  Dieng is a great shot blocker and has a nice jumper, so he's like Fab Melo, except he's ready to play right now.

Austin has a great offensive game, whether its in the post or his jumper.  I don't know about his defense, but he has long arms, so that helps.

Dieng could play PF, but he and Austin are probably better off as centers.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2013 draft
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on December 27, 2012, 01:07:27 PM
In terms of big men, Gorgui Dieng of Louisville and Isaiah Austin of Baylor are two guys that can really help us in the future.



I said it already. Alex Len and Steven Adams. Austin will be top 10 i believe. Len and Adams might be reachable. I love Dieng's game though, there's a bit of Festus Ezeli in him. He could at worse a very solid backup 4 or 5.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2013 draft
Post by: slamtheking on December 27, 2012, 01:19:59 PM
a bit early for speculation here but personally I'm hoping the C's get their act together enough this season where they end up with a pick in the low 20's.  not because I think there's great talent at that pick but because I want this team to get it's act together this season.

however, looking into my crystal ball, I think the pick will be traded as a part of a mid-season deal.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2013 draft
Post by: CFAN38 on December 27, 2012, 01:50:59 PM
Len is already being talked about as a top 5 pick.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2013 draft
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on December 27, 2012, 01:59:19 PM
Len is already being talked about as a top 5 pick.

Oh, then I guess I was wrong. LOL

I really like Caldwell-Pope for us. He might drop in that 18-20 range, which I assume we will be. Steven Adams, I really like how this kid plays too, proto big man, solid footwork. Altough, he might be headed to the lottery too.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2013 draft
Post by: CelticsFan9 on December 27, 2012, 02:04:05 PM
I think with the next three drafts we need to look for an ELITE scorer.  Paul and KG aren't going to last forever, and I don't have faith that Rondo is going to be a 20 ppg player.  Bradley, Green, and Sully (who are potentially our future core with Rajon) are more supporting scores than top scorers.

Finding a pure scorer (whether its a big, wing, or guard) is going to be a necessity.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2013 draft
Post by: CFAN38 on December 27, 2012, 02:15:55 PM
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I think with the next three drafts we need to look for an ELITE scorer.  Paul and KG aren't going to last forever, and I don't have faith that Rondo is going to be a 20 ppg player.  Bradley, Green, and Sully (who are potentially our future core with Rajon) are more supporting scores than top scorers.

Finding a pure scorer (whether its a big, wing, or guard) is going to be a necessity

I agree. If the future is Rondo, AB, Green , and Sully then two key roles and one minor role that need to be filled. (Melo needs to show me something other than D-league still_

1. An isolation scoring SG who is 6'4+. Last draft i liked Ross for this role. I imagine a player who plays in a Ginobli like role. A 3 man rotation of Rondo, AB, and scoring 2 with size could take up all 96 guard minutes.

2. A Lengthy athletic 4/5 or 5. Hopefully Melo fills this role. If he does then the player can be more 4 than 5 if not than we really need a 5. If melo pans out as a solid starting 5. Then I would hope for a Ekpe Udoh type as our 3rd big.

3. The minor role 8th man. I would ideally like to see a 3pt specialist SF in this role.   

ideal if everyone develops as we (as Cs fans) hope.

Rondo 15 pt 5 rb 10 ass
AB    15 pt
Green 15 pt 6 rb
Sully 18 pt 9 rb
Melo  10 pt 8 rb 2.5 blk
SG    15 pt
4/5    5 pt 5 rb
SF     5 pt 3pt shooter

Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2013 draft
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on December 27, 2012, 02:36:51 PM
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I think with the next three drafts we need to look for an ELITE scorer.  Paul and KG aren't going to last forever, and I don't have faith that Rondo is going to be a 20 ppg player.  Bradley, Green, and Sully (who are potentially our future core with Rajon) are more supporting scores than top scorers.

Finding a pure scorer (whether its a big, wing, or guard) is going to be a necessity

I agree. If the future is Rondo, AB, Green , and Sully then two key roles and one minor role that need to be filled. (Melo needs to show me something other than D-league still_

1. An isolation scoring SG who is 6'4+. Last draft i liked Ross for this role. I imagine a player who plays in a Ginobli like role. A 3 man rotation of Rondo, AB, and scoring 2 with size could take up all 96 guard minutes.

2. A Lengthy athletic 4/5 or 5. Hopefully Melo fills this role. If he does then the player can be more 4 than 5 if not than we really need a 5. If melo pans out as a solid starting 5. Then I would hope for a Ekpe Udoh type as our 3rd big.

3. The minor role 8th man. I would ideally like to see a 3pt specialist SF in this role.   

ideal if everyone develops as we (as Cs fans) hope.

Rondo 15 pt 5 rb 10 ass
AB    15 pt
Green 15 pt 6 rb
Sully 18 pt 9 rb
Melo  10 pt 8 rb 2.5 blk
SG    15 pt
4/5    5 pt 5 rb
SF     5 pt 3pt shooter

This might be a risky pick, we may not be able to land him anyway but if we need a scorer, the dude named LeBryan Nash is the one we should be looking for.

He can get to the basket, and has improved his mid range game. Can create shots for himself. Problem is, he takes a nap on defense sometimes.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2013 draft
Post by: nickagneta on December 27, 2012, 03:18:03 PM
I think Willie Cauley Stein would be an excellent investment as a young big man in the middle of the first to around the 20th pick. As for scoring punch, if James MacAdoo falls, do everything you can to trade up and get him. Same holds true for Michael Carter Williams of Alex Goodwin.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2013 draft
Post by: CFAN38 on December 27, 2012, 03:26:23 PM
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I think Willie Cauley Stein would be an excellent investment as a young big man in the middle of the first to around the 20th pick. As for scoring punch, if James MacAdoo falls, do everything you can to trade up and get him. Same holds true for Michael Carter Williams of Alex Goodwin

I also like Cauley Stein as a prospect. He is a guy who I wxpect to jump into top 10 during the draft process. He and Austin from baylor are the types of guys who will go early and push more sure things to the 20s.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2013 draft
Post by: CelticsFan9 on December 27, 2012, 04:25:54 PM
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I think with the next three drafts we need to look for an ELITE scorer.  Paul and KG aren't going to last forever, and I don't have faith that Rondo is going to be a 20 ppg player.  Bradley, Green, and Sully (who are potentially our future core with Rajon) are more supporting scores than top scorers.

Finding a pure scorer (whether its a big, wing, or guard) is going to be a necessity

I agree. If the future is Rondo, AB, Green , and Sully then two key roles and one minor role that need to be filled. (Melo needs to show me something other than D-league still_

1. An isolation scoring SG who is 6'4+. Last draft i liked Ross for this role. I imagine a player who plays in a Ginobli like role. A 3 man rotation of Rondo, AB, and scoring 2 with size could take up all 96 guard minutes.

2. A Lengthy athletic 4/5 or 5. Hopefully Melo fills this role. If he does then the player can be more 4 than 5 if not than we really need a 5. If melo pans out as a solid starting 5. Then I would hope for a Ekpe Udoh type as our 3rd big.

3. The minor role 8th man. I would ideally like to see a 3pt specialist SF in this role.   

ideal if everyone develops as we (as Cs fans) hope.

Rondo 15 pt 5 rb 10 ass
AB    15 pt
Green 15 pt 6 rb
Sully 18 pt 9 rb
Melo  10 pt 8 rb 2.5 blk
SG    15 pt
4/5    5 pt 5 rb
SF     5 pt 3pt shooter

This might be a risky pick, we may not be able to land him anyway but if we need a scorer, the dude named LeBryan Nash is the one we should be looking for.

He can get to the basket, and has improved his mid range game. Can create shots for himself. Problem is, he takes a nap on defense sometimes.

Don't want Nash.  Like you said, he doesn't play D, but he looks like the next Terrence Williams.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2013 draft
Post by: ScottHow on December 31, 2012, 11:15:38 AM
If we can trade off some pieces and start tanking now, we can make a run at a top pick.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2013 draft
Post by: letsgoblue86 on December 31, 2012, 11:24:01 AM
I think with the next three drafts we need to look for an ELITE scorer.  Paul and KG aren't going to last forever, and I don't have faith that Rondo is going to be a 20 ppg player.  Bradley, Green, and Sully (who are potentially our future core with Rajon) are more supporting scores than top scorers.

Finding a pure scorer (whether its a big, wing, or guard) is going to be a necessity.
If you want a pure scorer, gotta go with Trey Burke from Michigan.  Kid gets BUCKETS.  Only 6-0' tall, but he can score like Rondo can pass.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2013 draft
Post by: mqtcelticsfan on December 31, 2012, 09:48:46 PM
Ben McLemore and BJ Young are two guys I really like in this class.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2013 draft
Post by: triboy16f on January 05, 2013, 04:42:14 AM
If he declares, don't care how we land him, we should draft Aaron Craft. Sully's teammate from Ohio

Kid plays with so much heart and defense is top notch. I mean near Bradley top notch. Now his offense isn't all that great, but he is a fine passer and can shoot the ball pretty good. Like Rondo, he does all these extra non stat things that helps his team win

We would finally have a legit 2nd unit pg also
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2013 draft
Post by: lightspeed5 on January 05, 2013, 05:06:54 AM
we'll probably invite hardaway jr to a workout.

a 6'6 shooting guard and he's not bad at all.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2013 draft
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on January 05, 2013, 10:18:55 AM
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I think with the next three drafts we need to look for an ELITE scorer.  Paul and KG aren't going to last forever, and I don't have faith that Rondo is going to be a 20 ppg player.  Bradley, Green, and Sully (who are potentially our future core with Rajon) are more supporting scores than top scorers.

Finding a pure scorer (whether its a big, wing, or guard) is going to be a necessity

I agree. If the future is Rondo, AB, Green , and Sully then two key roles and one minor role that need to be filled. (Melo needs to show me something other than D-league still_

1. An isolation scoring SG who is 6'4+. Last draft i liked Ross for this role. I imagine a player who plays in a Ginobli like role. A 3 man rotation of Rondo, AB, and scoring 2 with size could take up all 96 guard minutes.

2. A Lengthy athletic 4/5 or 5. Hopefully Melo fills this role. If he does then the player can be more 4 than 5 if not than we really need a 5. If melo pans out as a solid starting 5. Then I would hope for a Ekpe Udoh type as our 3rd big.

3. The minor role 8th man. I would ideally like to see a 3pt specialist SF in this role.   

ideal if everyone develops as we (as Cs fans) hope.

Rondo 15 pt 5 rb 10 ass
AB    15 pt
Green 15 pt 6 rb
Sully 18 pt 9 rb
Melo  10 pt 8 rb 2.5 blk
SG    15 pt
4/5    5 pt 5 rb
SF     5 pt 3pt shooter

This might be a risky pick, we may not be able to land him anyway but if we need a scorer, the dude named LeBryan Nash is the one we should be looking for.

He can get to the basket, and has improved his mid range game. Can create shots for himself. Problem is, he takes a nap on defense sometimes.

Don't want Nash.  Like you said, he doesn't play D, but he looks like the next Terrence Williams.

He's still young and can probanly tunr it around. He has the tools to be a very good defender. And I love that he's slipping slowly.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2013 draft
Post by: saltlover on January 25, 2013, 09:15:05 AM
If he declares, don't care how we land him, we should draft Aaron Craft. Sully's teammate from Ohio

Kid plays with so much heart and defense is top notch. I mean near Bradley top notch. Now his offense isn't all that great, but he is a fine passer and can shoot the ball pretty good. Like Rondo, he does all these extra non stat things that helps his team win

We would finally have a legit 2nd unit pg also

Craft is an amazing defender, I'll give you that.  But he is not capable of NBA offense, either shooting or facilitating.

I'd much much rather have Trey Burke of Michigan, who's the best point guard in college basketball, and is Sully's high school teammate and best friend since grade school.  Because he's only 6'0" tall, he might slide down into the middle of the first round, where we're currently sitting.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2013 draft
Post by: Smartacus on January 25, 2013, 12:25:04 PM
If he declares, don't care how we land him, we should draft Aaron Craft. Sully's teammate from Ohio

Kid plays with so much heart and defense is top notch. I mean near Bradley top notch. Now his offense isn't all that great, but he is a fine passer and can shoot the ball pretty good. Like Rondo, he does all these extra non stat things that helps his team win

We would finally have a legit 2nd unit pg also

Craft is an amazing defender, I'll give you that.  But he is not capable of NBA offense, either shooting or facilitating.

I'd much much rather have Trey Burke of Michigan, who's the best point guard in college basketball, and is Sully's high school teammate and best friend since grade school.  Because he's only 6'0" tall, he might slide down into the middle of the first round, where we're currently sitting.

Is it realistic to think we could get Trey Burke though? At this point he is universally projected to go in the top ten. Bit of a stretch to think that no lottery team would be interested int he Best PG in the draft.

I do agree that he'd be excellent here but I'd imagine that you'd have to trade Rondo to get him.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2013 draft
Post by: saltlover on January 25, 2013, 12:47:57 PM
If he declares, don't care how we land him, we should draft Aaron Craft. Sully's teammate from Ohio

Kid plays with so much heart and defense is top notch. I mean near Bradley top notch. Now his offense isn't all that great, but he is a fine passer and can shoot the ball pretty good. Like Rondo, he does all these extra non stat things that helps his team win

We would finally have a legit 2nd unit pg also

Craft is an amazing defender, I'll give you that.  But he is not capable of NBA offense, either shooting or facilitating.

I'd much much rather have Trey Burke of Michigan, who's the best point guard in college basketball, and is Sully's high school teammate and best friend since grade school.  Because he's only 6'0" tall, he might slide down into the middle of the first round, where we're currently sitting.

Is it realistic to think we could get Trey Burke though? At this point he is universally projected to go in the top ten. Bit of a stretch to think that no lottery team would be interested int he Best PG in the draft.

I do agree that he'd be excellent here but I'd imagine that you'd have to trade Rondo to get him.

I mean, I don't know all the best mocks, but we're presently #15, yes?

NBAdraftnet has him at #18
Draft Express has him at #18
WalterFootball (wrong sport, so take it as you will) has him at #15 to us.
I'm not an insider on ESPN, so I don't know where Chad Ford has him, but he's outside of the top 10 on his big board.

Certainly he could continue to rise as the year goes on, because he's playing spectacularly, but there is a ceiling for many NBA executives on drafting a shorter point guard who was relatively unheralded coming out of high school just two years ago.  I think he'll be a great player whereever he ends up, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him drafted outside of the top 10.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2013 draft
Post by: edwardjkasche on January 25, 2013, 01:13:54 PM
It ALL depends on potential trades - Rondo, Pierce, role players - and whether or not KG retires at season's end.

Depending on those outcomes, Ainge will either draft a potential SCORER (probably SF or PF) or HEIGHT.

If Pierce and KG aren't here next season, scoring will be a priority.  The free agent class is awful, so unless Ainge pulls off a trade for a scorer, he'll need to draft scoring.

If he keeps the core together, then I say he goes for more height.  Wouldn't it be great down the line to have Sully, Melo, and another big in a rotation?

Unfortunately, Ainge only has one draft pick this seasons - the first rounder. 

Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2013 draft
Post by: CelticsFan9 on January 25, 2013, 01:35:32 PM
If he declares, don't care how we land him, we should draft Aaron Craft. Sully's teammate from Ohio

Kid plays with so much heart and defense is top notch. I mean near Bradley top notch. Now his offense isn't all that great, but he is a fine passer and can shoot the ball pretty good. Like Rondo, he does all these extra non stat things that helps his team win

We would finally have a legit 2nd unit pg also

Craft is an amazing defender, I'll give you that.  But he is not capable of NBA offense, either shooting or facilitating.

I'd much much rather have Trey Burke of Michigan, who's the best point guard in college basketball, and is Sully's high school teammate and best friend since grade school.  Because he's only 6'0" tall, he might slide down into the middle of the first round, where we're currently sitting.

You're selling Craft short there.  Sure, he won't be the greatest offensively, but he'd be a darn good backup.

I don't want Burke.  The PLAYS point only because he's too short to play the two.  I hate those hybrid SGs.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2013 draft
Post by: Smartacus on January 25, 2013, 01:40:55 PM
If he declares, don't care how we land him, we should draft Aaron Craft. Sully's teammate from Ohio

Kid plays with so much heart and defense is top notch. I mean near Bradley top notch. Now his offense isn't all that great, but he is a fine passer and can shoot the ball pretty good. Like Rondo, he does all these extra non stat things that helps his team win

We would finally have a legit 2nd unit pg also

Craft is an amazing defender, I'll give you that.  But he is not capable of NBA offense, either shooting or facilitating.

I'd much much rather have Trey Burke of Michigan, who's the best point guard in college basketball, and is Sully's high school teammate and best friend since grade school.  Because he's only 6'0" tall, he might slide down into the middle of the first round, where we're currently sitting.

Is it realistic to think we could get Trey Burke though? At this point he is universally projected to go in the top ten. Bit of a stretch to think that no lottery team would be interested int he Best PG in the draft.

I do agree that he'd be excellent here but I'd imagine that you'd have to trade Rondo to get him.

I mean, I don't know all the best mocks, but we're presently #15, yes?

NBAdraftnet has him at #18
Draft Express has him at #18
WalterFootball (wrong sport, so take it as you will) has him at #15 to us.
I'm not an insider on ESPN, so I don't know where Chad Ford has him, but he's outside of the top 10 on his big board.

Certainly he could continue to rise as the year goes on, because he's playing spectacularly, but there is a ceiling for many NBA executives on drafting a shorter point guard who was relatively unheralded coming out of high school just two years ago.  I think he'll be a great player whereever he ends up, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him drafted outside of the top 10.

Sorry about that my mistake I think I recently read a Bleacher Report "article" that had him going in the top ten. I've tried to find it since but haven't been able to.

Those are the mocks that I would use so please excuse my groundless claim, I'm kinda new to this whole posting instead of lurking thing and I have to be better about backing up my claims.

Mea Culpa. TP for setting me strait.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2013 draft
Post by: Smartacus on January 25, 2013, 01:44:57 PM
It ALL depends on potential trades - Rondo, Pierce, role players - and whether or not KG retires at season's end.

Depending on those outcomes, Ainge will either draft a potential SCORER (probably SF or PF) or HEIGHT.

If Pierce and KG aren't here next season, scoring will be a priority.  The free agent class is awful, so unless Ainge pulls off a trade for a scorer, he'll need to draft scoring.

If he keeps the core together, then I say he goes for more height.  Wouldn't it be great down the line to have Sully, Melo, and another big in a rotation?

Unfortunately, Ainge only has one draft pick this seasons - the first rounder.

I just made a post about Kelly Olynyk who I think fit's the bill of who you'd like to draft.

He'd work great as a third rotation big with Sully and Melo, assuming his game would translate to the NBA.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2013 draft
Post by: saltlover on January 25, 2013, 02:02:14 PM
If he declares, don't care how we land him, we should draft Aaron Craft. Sully's teammate from Ohio

Kid plays with so much heart and defense is top notch. I mean near Bradley top notch. Now his offense isn't all that great, but he is a fine passer and can shoot the ball pretty good. Like Rondo, he does all these extra non stat things that helps his team win

We would finally have a legit 2nd unit pg also

Craft is an amazing defender, I'll give you that.  But he is not capable of NBA offense, either shooting or facilitating.

I'd much much rather have Trey Burke of Michigan, who's the best point guard in college basketball, and is Sully's high school teammate and best friend since grade school.  Because he's only 6'0" tall, he might slide down into the middle of the first round, where we're currently sitting.

You're selling Craft short there.  Sure, he won't be the greatest offensively, but he'd be a darn good backup.

I don't want Burke.  The PLAYS point only because he's too short to play the two.  I hate those hybrid SGs.

I'm just saying I wouldn't move heaven and earth to get Craft, because you're right, he'll be a backup.  His defense is NBA level, his offense is not.  That equals a backup.  He seems like someone who will be a 4-year college player and then a late 2nd round pick.

But as for Burke, I don't really think you watch him play all that much if you think he's a two who plays the point.   He's a point guard who can shoot.  He averages over 7 assists per game, and fewer than 2 turnovers.  He's not some lead-guard, hybrid-guard, combo-guard or whatever you want to call it.  He's a point guard who can score.  He runs the offense and tries to figure out who's got the hot hand and get him the ball.  If he realizes that he's the hot hand, like in the first half vs. West Virginia last month, he's not afraid to score.  But if his teammates are knocking them down, he facilitates, like in the first half vs. NC State, when he had 9 assists and no points (on 1 or 2 shots.  I forget.)

I'm not saying Burke is infallible, and Aaron Craft is certainly Trey Burke kryptonite, but there's a reason that he's now at the head of the pack for major awards.  If the Celtics pick at #15, and he's available, they'd regret not taking him.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2013 draft
Post by: CelticsFan9 on January 25, 2013, 02:34:49 PM
If he declares, don't care how we land him, we should draft Aaron Craft. Sully's teammate from Ohio

Kid plays with so much heart and defense is top notch. I mean near Bradley top notch. Now his offense isn't all that great, but he is a fine passer and can shoot the ball pretty good. Like Rondo, he does all these extra non stat things that helps his team win

We would finally have a legit 2nd unit pg also

Craft is an amazing defender, I'll give you that.  But he is not capable of NBA offense, either shooting or facilitating.

I'd much much rather have Trey Burke of Michigan, who's the best point guard in college basketball, and is Sully's high school teammate and best friend since grade school.  Because he's only 6'0" tall, he might slide down into the middle of the first round, where we're currently sitting.

You're selling Craft short there.  Sure, he won't be the greatest offensively, but he'd be a darn good backup.

I don't want Burke.  The PLAYS point only because he's too short to play the two.  I hate those hybrid SGs.

I'm just saying I wouldn't move heaven and earth to get Craft, because you're right, he'll be a backup.  His defense is NBA level, his offense is not.  That equals a backup.  He seems like someone who will be a 4-year college player and then a late 2nd round pick.

But as for Burke, I don't really think you watch him play all that much if you think he's a two who plays the point.   He's a point guard who can shoot.  He averages over 7 assists per game, and fewer than 2 turnovers.  He's not some lead-guard, hybrid-guard, combo-guard or whatever you want to call it.  He's a point guard who can score.  He runs the offense and tries to figure out who's got the hot hand and get him the ball.  If he realizes that he's the hot hand, like in the first half vs. West Virginia last month, he's not afraid to score.  But if his teammates are knocking them down, he facilitates, like in the first half vs. NC State, when he had 9 assists and no points (on 1 or 2 shots.  I forget.)

I'm not saying Burke is infallible, and Aaron Craft is certainly Trey Burke kryptonite, but there's a reason that he's now at the head of the pack for major awards.  If the Celtics pick at #15, and he's available, they'd regret not taking him.

I agree that Craft's a second rounder and a backup.

With Burke, I disagree.  I know he's playing well, but I'm not buying into this hype that he'll be worth regretting.

To me, he's a mid-to-late first-rounder.  A guy his size is going to have troubles scoring unless he can develop solid-to-great three-point range.  Right now, he's shooting 38% from the college line, so I'll have to wait and see how he adjusts.

The assist totals are nice, but he's a score-first guy.  I guarantee you he's not going to be such a great passer in the NBA.  The game changes from collegiate to pro, and I don't see him maintaining this level of play.

Lastly, the Celtics shouldn't take this guy unless they plan on trading Rondo.  If we draft him, he will be our backup point, which is a role I don't think he's suited for.  That means you have to move him to the two, and bingo, he's in that undersized SG role that I hate.

I think his ceiling is a poor man's Damian Lillard.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2013 draft
Post by: saltlover on January 25, 2013, 03:20:14 PM

I'm just saying I wouldn't move heaven and earth to get Craft, because you're right, he'll be a backup.  His defense is NBA level, his offense is not.  That equals a backup.  He seems like someone who will be a 4-year college player and then a late 2nd round pick.

But as for Burke, I don't really think you watch him play all that much if you think he's a two who plays the point.   He's a point guard who can shoot.  He averages over 7 assists per game, and fewer than 2 turnovers.  He's not some lead-guard, hybrid-guard, combo-guard or whatever you want to call it.  He's a point guard who can score.  He runs the offense and tries to figure out who's got the hot hand and get him the ball.  If he realizes that he's the hot hand, like in the first half vs. West Virginia last month, he's not afraid to score.  But if his teammates are knocking them down, he facilitates, like in the first half vs. NC State, when he had 9 assists and no points (on 1 or 2 shots.  I forget.)

I'm not saying Burke is infallible, and Aaron Craft is certainly Trey Burke kryptonite, but there's a reason that he's now at the head of the pack for major awards.  If the Celtics pick at #15, and he's available, they'd regret not taking him.

I agree that Craft's a second rounder and a backup.

With Burke, I disagree.  I know he's playing well, but I'm not buying into this hype that he'll be worth regretting.

To me, he's a mid-to-late first-rounder.  A guy his size is going to have troubles scoring unless he can develop solid-to-great three-point range.  Right now, he's shooting 38% from the college line, so I'll have to wait and see how he adjusts.

The assist totals are nice, but he's a score-first guy.  I guarantee you he's not going to be such a great passer in the NBA.  The game changes from collegiate to pro, and I don't see him maintaining this level of play.

Lastly, the Celtics shouldn't take this guy unless they plan on trading Rondo.  If we draft him, he will be our backup point, which is a role I don't think he's suited for.  That means you have to move him to the two, and bingo, he's in that undersized SG role that I hate.

I think his ceiling is a poor man's Damian Lillard.

He shoots the three well enough, when you consider that most of his threes will come unassisted, as he's the point guard, compared with most shooters who get to shoot off a pass.  His assist-to-turnover ratio is fifth nationally, despite being a pretty high usage player against some of the best competition.  He can pass.  Michael Carter-Williams, who is projected to go above him in every mock draft and has the reputation of being the best passing point guard out there, turns the ball over twice as much.  Burke can handle the rock as well as anyone.  It's also no accident that Burke is second in the nation in +/-.

I don't really know what a poor man's Damian Lillard is, because that's a rookie playing at an All-Star level.  Normally one makes the poor man comparisons with someone who has a known career trajectory, or at least a known peak.  I think Burke has a Chris Paul ceiling.  Ceiling doesn't mean he'll get there, obviously, but I will be disappointed if he doesn't make an all-star team or two at least.  (Mind you, I also think Lillard has a similar ceiling.)

If you think that DA should take a point guard in the draft (and maybe you don't -- the original person who brought up Craft obviously did) then clearly he should take Burke if available.  I am also of the mindset that a PG to backup Rondo, especially with Rajon's contract ending in 2015, would be a good decision.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2013 draft
Post by: Edgar on January 25, 2013, 04:20:20 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/highschool-prep-rally/toddler-channels-blake-griffin-monster-dunk-mini-hoop-113116334.html

or we can recruit this kid in 2030
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2013 draft
Post by: triboy16f on January 29, 2013, 08:23:20 PM
Top 5 or 6 look like great picks. This kid Anthony Bennett looks like a tank , but is pretty swift and can handle the ball. Some say Larry Johnson and Lebron James hybrid.

James Mcadoo has all the tools but isn't the man. Like a Lamar Odom, Jeff Green. If we stay where we are in the standings we might get him.

I'm intrigue by this dark horse kid McDermott. Even if he can't score inside like he has in college, he looks deadly from the outside. Nice motor

We don't always have to try to find gems in the 20's, and sometimes specialty guys like McDemott aka Steve Novak and help you win many many games with two or three clutch threes.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2013 draft
Post by: slamtheking on February 05, 2013, 08:13:54 AM
Top 5 or 6 look like great picks. This kid Anthony Bennett looks like a tank , but is pretty swift and can handle the ball. Some say Larry Johnson and Lebron James hybrid.

James Mcadoo has all the tools but isn't the man. Like a Lamar Odom, Jeff Green. If we stay where we are in the standings we might get him.

I'm intrigue by this dark horse kid McDermott. Even if he can't score inside like he has in college, he looks deadly from the outside. Nice motor

We don't always have to try to find gems in the 20's, and sometimes specialty guys like McDemott aka Steve Novak and help you win many many games with two or three clutch threes.
not a bad take on Mcadoo.  If the C's are picking just outside the lottery this year, picking up a guy who's a jack of all trades like Green wouldn't be a bad acquisition.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2013 draft
Post by: Galeto on February 10, 2013, 03:06:07 AM
I would stay away from McAdoo.  He doesn't do a single above average thing besides maybe rebounding.  Going way back, he reminds me of another highly regarded prepster from 1994, Jerod Ward, in that he plays college ball like the game is too fast and big for him. In his freshman season, he shot more airballs from 10 to 15 off open jumpers than I had ever seen in my life.  He looked more comfortable as a starter during the ACC tournament so I thought his struggles were related to coming off the bench for the first time.  Instead, he looks just as rushed his sophomore season as his freshman one.

While he looks like he would be an ideal roll/pop man in the NBA, he's actually an awful finisher at the rim and his outside shot is erratic.  If he can't finish effectively at the rim against college big men, how he's going to fare against NBA big guys?  Just like with his airballs, I've never seen a player as consistently embarrassed trying to finish around the rim as he has.  He's been on the wrong side of so many highlight reel blocks where he's reared back and was about to flush it and the defender got all palm on the ball and wiped him out.  It's really mystifying because he has genuinely good physical gifts yet over and over he's treated like a caucasian scrub venturing too far out of his depth.

On a side-note, if professional basketball doesn't work out for him, he could make a lot of money off his voice.  He has a fantastic set of deep, vibrant pipes.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2013 draft
Post by: vjcsmoke on February 19, 2013, 06:45:48 PM
Is it just me or does this appear the BEST draft to get a 7 footer?  I mean was looking at this mock and there were double digit big men in the 6-10 to 7-1 range available for drafting.   I think that's kinda unusual.  Danny might want to buy an extra pick in this year's draft and fish for two 7 footers, doubles your chances of hitting on a tall C/PF!

http://nbadraft.net/2013mock_draft
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2013 draft
Post by: jay on February 22, 2013, 10:07:08 AM
With everyone (top 11 guys)under contract for next year, assuming no moves are made over the summer:  what is the biggest need in the roster for next season and what is the biggest need for the future?

Rondo  Crawford
Bradley  Lee   Terry
Pierce   Green
Bass    Sullinger
Garnett   Melo


I really think there are two key needs.  a 6-10 guy that can play some center, but also be versatile enough to play pf in a big lineup.

I agree with above post I think this is a good year to buy a pick because they could use it and it shouldnt cost too much since this draft is not overhyped.  (of course I would love the Celtics to buy an extra pick in most years because I love the draft)

6-10 or 6-11 guys that may fit:

MAson Plumlee
Kelly Olynyk
Isaiah Austin


6-6 or 6-7 guys that may fit:

Tim Hardaway Jr.
Glenn Ronbinson 3
Doug McDermott
Archie Goodwin (too small?)
Allen Crabbe


The other is a 6-6 or 6-7 wing player that can play the 3 in a 3-guard lineup when Pierce goes to the bench and Green slides to the 4 or that can play the 2 with Pierce palying the 3. 
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2013 draft
Post by: Galeto on February 24, 2013, 08:05:18 AM
I don't know if the 7'2 French guy Rudy Gobert is good or not but if Oklahoma City ends up landing him with Toronto's pick, that'd be too much.  The last thing I want to see happen is Oklahoma hitting on a 7'2 center with freakish length (7'9 wingspan), good athleticism and shotblocking ability so they can roll out a lineup of genetic freaks, even relative to the rest of the NBA, for the next 10 years.  Just the amount of length would be absurd.