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Title: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: badshar on December 24, 2012, 08:15:32 PM
I don't know how true this is, hence, I am sharing it as a rumor:

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=503801102975921&id=453191818036850

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BREAKING TRADE NEWS: The kings and the celtics are close to a deal that would send Jared Sullinger, Courtney Lee, Brandon Bass, and draft picks for DeMarcus Cousins and other players (Isaiah Thomas is a possibility). Tyreke Evans could be involved. -Bass30

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My source is incarcerated bob on twitter. He is a reliable source. -Bass30

Celtics receive:
DeMarcus Cousins
Tyreke Evans/Isaiah Thomas

Kings receive:
Jared Sullinger
Courtney Lee
Brandon Bass
Draft Picks

Again, this is unconfirmed, hence I am posting this as a rumor.
Title: Re: RUMOR: BREAKING TRADE NEWS: Cousins to Boston Almost DONE
Post by: badshar on December 24, 2012, 08:18:21 PM
On a second thought, I highly doubt this is true.
Title: Re: RUMOR: BREAKING TRADE NEWS: Cousins to Boston Almost DONE
Post by: letsgoblue86 on December 24, 2012, 08:22:43 PM
This seems almost to good to be true...
Title: Re: RUMOR: BREAKING TRADE NEWS: Cousins to Boston Almost DONE
Post by: Lightskinsmurf on December 24, 2012, 08:23:06 PM
I can't find anything on this trade so i don't believe it.
Title: Re: RUMOR: BREAKING TRADE NEWS: Cousins to Boston Almost DONE
Post by: badshar on December 24, 2012, 08:24:30 PM
As I said, I am posting this as a rumor as its unconfirmed by anyone else.
Title: Re: RUMOR: BREAKING TRADE NEWS: Cousins to Boston Almost DONE
Post by: jdz101 on December 24, 2012, 08:25:39 PM
lame.
Title: Re: RUMOR: BREAKING TRADE NEWS: Cousins to Boston Almost DONE
Post by: SCeltic34 on December 24, 2012, 08:26:26 PM
Makes no sense for Sacramento.
Title: Re: RUMOR: BREAKING TRADE NEWS: Cousins to Boston Almost DONE
Post by: apc on December 24, 2012, 08:28:33 PM
So thats how you start a rumor  ;)
I always wanted to start one.
Title: Re: RUMOR: BREAKING TRADE NEWS: Cousins to Boston Almost DONE
Post by: syfy9 on December 24, 2012, 08:37:52 PM
Makes no sense for Sac...My fingers are crossed, though.
Title: Re: RUMOR: BREAKING TRADE NEWS: Cousins to Boston Almost DONE
Post by: Kane3387 on December 24, 2012, 08:38:26 PM
Link?

Don't know how I missed it..
Title: Re: RUMOR: BREAKING TRADE NEWS: Cousins to Boston Almost DONE
Post by: hpantazo on December 24, 2012, 08:38:41 PM
Makes no sense at all for the kings. 99.9% confirmed to be false.
Title: Re: RUMOR: BREAKING TRADE NEWS: Cousins to Boston Almost DONE
Post by: hpantazo on December 24, 2012, 08:40:33 PM
In fact, Cousins has returned from his suspension and stated that he wants to stay on the Kings long term.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/2012/12/24/demarcus-cousins-insists-he-wants-to-stay-in-sacramento/1788819/
Title: Re: RUMOR: BREAKING TRADE NEWS: Cousins to Boston Almost DONE
Post by: dark_lord on December 24, 2012, 08:40:49 PM
is the caps necessary if it is only a rumor, one of which the op said is likely not true
Title: Re: RUMOR: BREAKING TRADE NEWS: Cousins to Boston Almost DONE
Post by: Kane3387 on December 24, 2012, 08:41:39 PM
In fact, Cousins has returned from his suspension and stated that he wants to stay on the Kings long term.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/2012/12/24/demarcus-cousins-insists-he-wants-to-stay-in-sacramento/1788819/

And is already fighting with Clifford Ray after practice.
Title: Re: RUMOR: BREAKING TRADE NEWS: Cousins to Boston Almost DONE
Post by: Kane3387 on December 24, 2012, 08:42:59 PM
If we are getting all that then you have to think Rondo would HAVE to be involved. Right? Like others I don't see the logic for the Kings. Fingers crossed. What a Merry Xmas that would be.
Title: Re: RUMOR: BREAKING TRADE NEWS: Cousins to Boston Almost DONE
Post by: esel1000 on December 24, 2012, 08:43:59 PM
well the kings apparently were big on sully before the draft... that being said theres no way a trade like this is real, way too good to be true, and if it really was almost done im sure woj or spears would have picked up on it at this point...
Title: Re: RUMOR: BREAKING TRADE NEWS: Cousins to Boston Almost DONE
Post by: hpantazo on December 24, 2012, 08:44:12 PM
In fact, Cousins has returned from his suspension and stated that he wants to stay on the Kings long term.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/2012/12/24/demarcus-cousins-insists-he-wants-to-stay-in-sacramento/1788819/

And is already fighting with Clifford Ray after practice.

link?
Title: Re: RUMOR: BREAKING TRADE NEWS: Cousins to Boston Almost DONE
Post by: hpantazo on December 24, 2012, 08:45:13 PM
well the kings apparently were big on sully before the draft... that being said theres no way a trade like this is real, way too good to be true, and if it really was almost done im sure woj or spears would have picked up on it at this point...

There is no trade of Cousins to Boston, it's fan-fiction
Title: Re: RUMOR: BREAKING TRADE NEWS: Cousins to Boston Almost DONE
Post by: Kane3387 on December 24, 2012, 08:50:03 PM
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Incarcerated Bob ‏@incarceratedbob
**BREAKING NBA NEWS**Source: Three teams have called the Sac Kings about availability of DeMarcus Cousins (Celtics top bidder) Nets & Spurs

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Incarcerated Bob ‏@incarceratedbob
@VinShoe Hearing multiple packs offered by Celts with names like Sullinger/Bass/Lee involved with picks -- Kings would need to add a salary

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Incarcerated Bob ‏@incarceratedbob
@KPatrickBurke Celtics need young talent in 2 years they will have only Rondo -- they believe the coaching will get Cousins in line
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Incarcerated Bob ‏@incarceratedbob
@Brett_Grew11 No deal is close for Cousins (Teams calling) only Celtics made offer so far.. Kings not decided if they move him yet
Title: Re: RUMOR: BREAKING TRADE NEWS: Cousins to Boston Almost DONE
Post by: hpantazo on December 24, 2012, 08:52:45 PM
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Incarcerated Bob ‏@incarceratedbob
**BREAKING NBA NEWS**Source: Three teams have called the Sac Kings about availability of DeMarcus Cousins (Celtics top bidder) Nets & Spurs

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Incarcerated Bob ‏@incarceratedbob
@VinShoe Hearing multiple packs offered by Celts with names like Sullinger/Bass/Lee involved with picks -- Kings would need to add a salary

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Incarcerated Bob ‏@incarceratedbob
@KPatrickBurke Celtics need young talent in 2 years they will have only Rondo -- they believe the coaching will get Cousins in line
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Incarcerated Bob ‏@incarceratedbob
@Brett_Grew11 No deal is close for Cousins (Teams calling) only Celtics made offer so far.. Kings not decided if they move him yet

unfortunately this Incarcerated Bob is a joke as a source:

http://newyorkstateofsports.com/2012/07/23/incarcerated-bob-better-than-espn-or-a-complete-fraud/
Title: Re: RUMOR: BREAKING TRADE NEWS: Cousins to Boston Almost DONE
Post by: TripleOT on December 24, 2012, 08:56:58 PM
So  the Kings reinstated DMC, and after that he got into a heated "discussion" with big man coach Clifford Ray?  I'm glad everything's OK in Sacto.

Oh yeah, Sam Amico then tracked down Cousins at the local Wal Mart?  Did DMC hit Red Lobster after picking up a ten pack of extra large socks and a bag of Ol' Roy treats for his pit bull? 



Title: Re: RUMOR: BREAKING TRADE NEWS: Cousins to Boston Almost DONE
Post by: SCeltic34 on December 24, 2012, 08:57:28 PM
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Incarcerated Bob ‏@incarceratedbob
**BREAKING NBA NEWS**Source: Three teams have called the Sac Kings about availability of DeMarcus Cousins (Celtics top bidder) Nets & Spurs

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Incarcerated Bob ‏@incarceratedbob
@VinShoe Hearing multiple packs offered by Celts with names like Sullinger/Bass/Lee involved with picks -- Kings would need to add a salary

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Incarcerated Bob ‏@incarceratedbob
@KPatrickBurke Celtics need young talent in 2 years they will have only Rondo -- they believe the coaching will get Cousins in line
 View conversation   Reply  Retweet  Favorite

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Incarcerated Bob ‏@incarceratedbob
@Brett_Grew11 No deal is close for Cousins (Teams calling) only Celtics made offer so far.. Kings not decided if they move him yet

unfortunately this Incarcerated Bob is a joke as a source:

http://newyorkstateofsports.com/2012/07/23/incarcerated-bob-better-than-espn-or-a-complete-fraud/

Well, go figure.  Stupid Incarcerated Bob and his stupid name.

Gotta say though, seeing the topic title was intriguing.  I have a feeling that there will be a big time shakeup this year.

I recall in 2011 - I had just come home from work, and I logged on to my computer to find out that Perk was traded to OKC.  I stared at my screen in disbelief for a solid 10 minutes.

Something similar will happen this year.  But hopefully this time I'll be stoked instead of disappointed.
Title: Re: RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: lon3lytoaster on December 24, 2012, 08:59:10 PM
That moment when you see a thread title like this and then realize its a hoax.

Yea it sucks.

F twitter.
Title: Re: RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: Kane3387 on December 24, 2012, 09:04:50 PM
Yeah I am not holding my breath with what is being reported now. However where there is smoke there is often fire and DA has done small business with the Kings in the past.

I am sure he is doing at least due-dilligence and has been in contact with the Kings.

We play in Sacramento in a few days. Hopefully some conversations can take place then. Maybe closer to January 15th DA could get into some serious conversations with the Kings and make something happen.

As I said earlier Cousins, in his first day back from suspension, got into a heated altercation with Clifford Ray in front of the media.

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When the practice court was opened to media today, Cousins was seen working individually with Kings assistant Clifford Ray and a player development coach.  The Kings big man spent approximately 20 to 30 minutes with Ray after press was allowed in the gym.  However at one point, tempers flared noticeably between the two, as Cousins and Ray paused the workout for a brief, but heated exchange.

http://www.cowbellkingdom.com/2012/12/24/following-indefinite-suspension-sacramento-kings-reinstate-demarcus-cousins-after-one-%20game/
Title: Re: RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: AB_Celtic on December 24, 2012, 09:06:43 PM
Well this thread's title got my hopes up for nothing.



My rule of thumb: unless I hear it from Marc Spears, Woj, Greg Payne, or Forsberg, I ain't posting it.
Title: Re: RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: Kane3387 on December 24, 2012, 09:08:53 PM
Well this thread's title got my hopes up for nothing.



My rule of thumb: unless I hear it from Marc Spears, Woj, Greg Payne, or Forsberg, I ain't posting it.

This is how Courtney Lee was broken.
Title: Re: RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: AB_Celtic on December 24, 2012, 09:10:21 PM
Well this thread's title got my hopes up for nothing.



My rule of thumb: unless I hear it from Marc Spears, Woj, Greg Payne, or Forsberg, I ain't posting it.

This is how Courtney Lee was broken.

Fair point. I remember that.

Still, that was a realistic trade... No way we're getting Boogie AND Tyreke without giving up Rondo.
Title: Re: RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: RebusRankin on December 24, 2012, 09:24:23 PM
Don't get my hopes up. Otherwise you go on the Festivus Grievence list.
Title: Re: RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: Celtics4ever on December 24, 2012, 09:26:31 PM
Can we use him in the tests of Strength?
Title: Re: RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: Kane3387 on December 24, 2012, 09:26:41 PM
Well this thread's title got my hopes up for nothing.



My rule of thumb: unless I hear it from Marc Spears, Woj, Greg Payne, or Forsberg, I ain't posting it.

This is how Courtney Lee was broken.

Fair point. I remember that.

Still, that was a realistic trade... No way we're getting Boogie AND Tyreke without giving up Rondo.

Agreed, but I don't think Tyreke would be packaged in there. I think he was just a "salary" that needed to be added. More like a Salmons or Thompson is included since Fab and Sully/Bass would be going with Lee/Bradley.
Title: Re: RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: jambr380 on December 24, 2012, 09:27:01 PM
I can't stop looking at my computer screen, hoping for updates on this thing...'hope' being the operative word since this is apparently a false rumor. This would be great, though!
Title: Re: RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: CelticsFan9 on December 24, 2012, 09:27:57 PM
Sacramento isn't dumb enough to do that.  If they waited, they could probably get better value for Cousins.
Title: Re: RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: AB_Celtic on December 24, 2012, 09:31:30 PM
Well this thread's title got my hopes up for nothing.



My rule of thumb: unless I hear it from Marc Spears, Woj, Greg Payne, or Forsberg, I ain't posting it.

This is how Courtney Lee was broken.

Fair point. I remember that.

Still, that was a realistic trade... No way we're getting Boogie AND Tyreke without giving up Rondo.

Agreed, but I don't think Tyreke would be packaged in there. I think he was just a "salary" that needed to be added. More like a Salmons or Thompson is included since Fab and Sully/Bass would be going with Lee/Bradley.

Therein lies the true question, and perhaps one worthy of its own thread...

If you have to fill salary, would you rather dump:

Lee and Sully
or
Bass and Bradley

I honestly can't pick. I love Sully, but I love Bradley more; I dislike Lee, but I dislike Bass more.

That's why I'm not Danny.
Title: Re: RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: celticpride07 on December 24, 2012, 09:35:55 PM
Danny should just trade  bass and lee and picks  jan. 15 they make almost 11 mil combined. Keep sully and bradley!  Only trade sully and bradley for josh smith or Kevin love, not a knucklehead like cousins.
Title: Re: RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: lon3lytoaster on December 24, 2012, 09:37:00 PM
Well this thread's title got my hopes up for nothing.



My rule of thumb: unless I hear it from Marc Spears, Woj, Greg Payne, or Forsberg, I ain't posting it.

This is how Courtney Lee was broken.

Kind of.. Yes, it was on Twitter but it was Lee's cousin congratulating him on signing with the Celtics and not some dude trying to be an insider.
Title: Re: RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: AB_Celtic on December 24, 2012, 09:39:11 PM
I'd actually be pretty happy with Lee and Sullinger for Cousins and Honeycutt.
Title: Re: RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: Rondo2287 on December 24, 2012, 09:41:13 PM
This is about the level of a trade idea at this point
Title: Re: RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: ImShakHeIsShaq on December 24, 2012, 09:57:13 PM
When I saw Bass' name along with the words "close" I knew it was a lie b/c BASS CAN'T BE TRADED UNTIL THE 15TH!!! That's 21 days away...

If that's close or a scoop then a deal with Green, Sully, Bass, AB for LeBroid James is close to being done- per my source on twitter! Wait, I'll even make up a name umm... I got this inside scoop from a trustworthy journalist on Twitter, my friend "iMakeUpRumorsForSport"
Title: Re: RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: gpap on December 24, 2012, 09:58:27 PM
And I actually had my hopes up for a second, thanks a lot ???
Title: Re: RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: ozman on December 24, 2012, 10:08:45 PM
did I just get Rick rolled? dang dang dang
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: SHAQATTACK on December 24, 2012, 10:33:26 PM
Kid is risk, but if he can be tamed ,  he could be a large part of the future.  Up side , just look at his skill level , and he is the same age as Chris Joseph and Fab I think and only a couple years older than Sully.

I can only think DA is burning the mid night oil to pull this off.   I'm sure DA would rather see if he can get a deal done for Cousins first cheap... rather than retool and trade half the team away to get JSmith .

If Cousins deal is not possible , I'm sure DA will work on Varejao at wide open throttle.

Any deal that brings in a BIG of that calibre while retainig PP, Rondo, AB is a super win IMO.

I'm not holding my breath.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: triboy16f on December 24, 2012, 10:43:15 PM
If Bradley is not included than i'm all for it.

No way Evans is included, unless also for bradley in the deal

The kings could do this trade, bc they have given up on cousins. How many altercations has this kid been through in 1 and half year in the nba?? He whines and complains non stop, to the refs, teammates, coach etc.

They may feel they can't get a deal much better and also they will be getting mature players that will change the environment of their team. Sac hasn't done anything in a very very long time

For the celts, you get a possible franchise C/PF or basketcase for 1 year and a half. Ainge probably feels this is the only way for the celts to keep competitive while keeping pierce and kg. Its a decent risk knowing that Cousins has to bring out his best, bc if he can't at a huge market like Bos, no team will be interested in retaining him after.


Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: lon3lytoaster on December 24, 2012, 11:16:40 PM
Quick question. Why is Cousins a career 44% shooter?

He seems like a monster on the low block.. What am I missing?
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: hpantazo on December 24, 2012, 11:30:52 PM
Quick question. Why is Cousins a career 44% shooter?

He seems like a monster on the low block.. What am I missing?

because he jacks up a lot of long jumpers too
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: WeMadeIt17 on December 24, 2012, 11:32:27 PM
Well Bass can't be moved till Jan. Which people have said on here. But hey its a rumor and its got me all giddy! Please please please. If we could land Cousins without giving up Bradley then I'm all for it!
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: lon3lytoaster on December 24, 2012, 11:35:38 PM
Quick question. Why is Cousins a career 44% shooter?

He seems like a monster on the low block.. What am I missing?

because he jacks up a lot of long jumpers too

So he's like a dumb(er) Josh Smith in that regard?

Pass.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: WeMadeIt17 on December 24, 2012, 11:36:33 PM
Quick question. Why is Cousins a career 44% shooter?

He seems like a monster on the low block.. What am I missing?

because he jacks up a lot of long jumpers too

So he's like a dumb(er) Josh Smith in that regard?

Pass.


Having KG would put his butt on the block. Can't turn down a 22 year old Center with Talent out the wazoo
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: Evantime34 on December 24, 2012, 11:45:39 PM
Quick question. Why is Cousins a career 44% shooter?

He seems like a monster on the low block.. What am I missing?

because he jacks up a lot of long jumpers too

So he's like a dumb(er) Josh Smith in that regard?

Pass.
Except Cousins has a good looking stroke. To me his shooting percentage is low because he doesn't have a good point guard to get him the ball in his spots. 
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: slamtheking on December 24, 2012, 11:47:08 PM
the Bass piece sounded fishy (pun intended).

could be something to this where discussions are underway with the intention of the C's seeing if Bradley comes back healthy (thereby making Lee expendable) before pulling the trigger.

the concern I have is who's playing the 4 spot.  We'd start KG and then what?  use Green and/or Wilcox to back them up once Bass and Sully are both gone?  talk about having a thin frontcourt all over again.  Collins just isn't going to cut it as the primary backup center.

would also have to believe that if this were to happen, C's would most likely have to take on Salmons as the other player from Sac.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: SHAQATTACK on December 24, 2012, 11:47:54 PM
Quick question. Why is Cousins a career 44% shooter?

He seems like a monster on the low block.. What am I missing?

because he jacks up a lot of long jumpers too

So he's like a dumb(er) Josh Smith in that regard?

Pass.


Having KG would put his butt on the block. Can't turn down a 22 year old Center with Talent out the wazoo

Thats right ,  DC is runaway train on the Kings.  He does stupid things like jack up all those long shot because they are scard to tell him "NO".

Cousins NEEDS a change in senery , needs to be around tuff vets to make him focus. 
So there is a job for Dooling ?? Babysit  Cousins ?     
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: Who on December 25, 2012, 12:05:47 AM
Quick question. Why is Cousins a career 44% shooter?

He seems like a monster on the low block.. What am I missing?

because he jacks up a lot of long jumpers too

Plus, Cousins also lacks explosive athleticism which limits him around the basket.

So he often has trouble finishing around the rim against taller players. As a 6-11 center, he rarely has a size advantage against his opponent. Bigger longer and/or more athletic centers can cause him issues (finishing around the rim).

This is mostly an experience thing. Cousins hasn't learned how to finish around the basket yet against NBA caliber athletes / defenders. He still doesn't really know how to properly utilize his physical strength (bulk) to create separation and finish over people. It's a learning process.

Cousins' scoring efficiency will improve in time. As he better learns how to finish around the basket, improves his jumper, cuts down his turnovers and learns what a good shot-selection looks like.

It's a lot of work. It's why he is still a few years away.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: lon3lytoaster on December 25, 2012, 12:38:36 AM
Quick question. Why is Cousins a career 44% shooter?

He seems like a monster on the low block.. What am I missing?

because he jacks up a lot of long jumpers too

So he's like a dumb(er) Josh Smith in that regard?

Pass.


Having KG would put his butt on the block. Can't turn down a 22 year old Center with Talent out the wazoo

See I hate that argument. KG doesn't have some mythical aura around him that makes all other players listen to and respect him. Sure, the smart ones do but Cousins doesn't sound like he fits that bill.

I can see KG trying to tell him something, Cousins blowing it off and then KG completely forgetting the kid exists. See Patrick O'Bryant. POB and DMC are sort of alike personality wise. Obviously DMC has infinite more talent but that doesn't mean much if he doesn't want to use it to the fullest.

Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: TripleOT on December 25, 2012, 12:40:07 AM
Cousins' career jump shooting percentage is a pathetic 31% and he's taken way too many jumpers over his career, 55% of his shots. 

If he played for a coach that demanded efficiency from him, the jumper would be greatly de-emphasized.  His rookie year, DMC converted a respectable 63% of his shots at the rim.  The last season and a quarter, he's been poor at the rim. 

Hold the guy accountable, and park his butt in the paint and make him shoot from there. 

Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: ImShakHeIsShaq on December 25, 2012, 12:42:46 AM
Quick question. Why is Cousins a career 44% shooter?

He seems like a monster on the low block.. What am I missing?

because he jacks up a lot of long jumpers too

So he's like a dumb(er) Josh Smith in that regard?

Pass.


Having KG would put his butt on the block. Can't turn down a 22 year old Center with Talent out the wazoo

See I hate that argument. KG doesn't have some mythical aura around him that makes all other players listen to and respect him. Sure, the smart ones do but Cousins doesn't sound like he fits that bill.

I can see KG trying to tell him something, Cousins blowing it off and then KG completely forgetting the kid exists. See Patrick O'Bryant. POB and DMC are sort of alike personality wise. Obviously DMC has infinite more talent but that doesn't mean much if he doesn't want to use it to the fullest.

Yea but what you're forgetting, not only do we have KG and Doc... WINNING, may also play a role in keeping him happy. Heck, I would hate being good and always losing too... I'd probably throw hissy-fits too.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: lon3lytoaster on December 25, 2012, 12:48:26 AM
Quick question. Why is Cousins a career 44% shooter?

He seems like a monster on the low block.. What am I missing?

because he jacks up a lot of long jumpers too

So he's like a dumb(er) Josh Smith in that regard?

Pass.


Having KG would put his butt on the block. Can't turn down a 22 year old Center with Talent out the wazoo

See I hate that argument. KG doesn't have some mythical aura around him that makes all other players listen to and respect him. Sure, the smart ones do but Cousins doesn't sound like he fits that bill.

I can see KG trying to tell him something, Cousins blowing it off and then KG completely forgetting the kid exists. See Patrick O'Bryant. POB and DMC are sort of alike personality wise. Obviously DMC has infinite more talent but that doesn't mean much if he doesn't want to use it to the fullest.

Yea but what you're forgetting, not only do we have KG and Doc... WINNING, may also play a role in keeping him happy. Heck, I would hate being good and always losing too... I'd probably throw hissy-fits too.

We're playing 500 ball right now. We have brighter rest of the season compared to Sacramento but we're technically not 'winning' right now, either.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: ImShakHeIsShaq on December 25, 2012, 12:55:59 AM
Quick question. Why is Cousins a career 44% shooter?

He seems like a monster on the low block.. What am I missing?

because he jacks up a lot of long jumpers too

So he's like a dumb(er) Josh Smith in that regard?

Pass.


Having KG would put his butt on the block. Can't turn down a 22 year old Center with Talent out the wazoo

See I hate that argument. KG doesn't have some mythical aura around him that makes all other players listen to and respect him. Sure, the smart ones do but Cousins doesn't sound like he fits that bill.

I can see KG trying to tell him something, Cousins blowing it off and then KG completely forgetting the kid exists. See Patrick O'Bryant. POB and DMC are sort of alike personality wise. Obviously DMC has infinite more talent but that doesn't mean much if he doesn't want to use it to the fullest.

Yea but what you're forgetting, not only do we have KG and Doc... WINNING, may also play a role in keeping him happy. Heck, I would hate being good and always losing too... I'd probably throw hissy-fits too.

We're playing 500 ball right now. We have brighter rest of the season compared to Sacramento but we're technically not 'winning' right now, either.


Technically we weren't winning early last season either...


That wasn't my point anyway... it's that WITH DMC we would probably be winning more (we are better than Sac w/o him), either way you slice it, it'd be a winning environment in comparison... case rested.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: manl_lui on December 25, 2012, 01:05:25 AM
I don't know how true this is, hence, I am sharing it as a rumor:

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=503801102975921&id=453191818036850

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BREAKING TRADE NEWS: The kings and the celtics are close to a deal that would send Jared Sullinger, Courtney Lee, Brandon Bass, and draft picks for DeMarcus Cousins and other players (Isaiah Thomas is a possibility). Tyreke Evans could be involved. -Bass30

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My source is incarcerated bob on twitter. He is a reliable source. -Bass30

Celtics receive:
DeMarcus Cousins
Tyreke Evans/Isaiah Thomas

Kings receive:
Jared Sullinger
Courtney Lee
Brandon Bass
Draft Picks

Again, this is unconfirmed, hence I am posting this as a rumor.

Kings would be stupid to pull the trigger...Cousins AND Evans for Bass/Sully/Lee + Draft picks...

I mean, if true, then yay, but otherwise whatever lol
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: kozlodoev on December 25, 2012, 01:23:10 AM
Deli guy runs rampant. CROTOR all the way.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: Kuberski1 on December 25, 2012, 01:26:58 AM
It's Christmas....not April Fools... this just can't be true.

Happy Holidays everyone
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: lon3lytoaster on December 25, 2012, 02:56:18 AM
Quick question. Why is Cousins a career 44% shooter?

He seems like a monster on the low block.. What am I missing?

because he jacks up a lot of long jumpers too

So he's like a dumb(er) Josh Smith in that regard?

Pass.


Having KG would put his butt on the block. Can't turn down a 22 year old Center with Talent out the wazoo

See I hate that argument. KG doesn't have some mythical aura around him that makes all other players listen to and respect him. Sure, the smart ones do but Cousins doesn't sound like he fits that bill.

I can see KG trying to tell him something, Cousins blowing it off and then KG completely forgetting the kid exists. See Patrick O'Bryant. POB and DMC are sort of alike personality wise. Obviously DMC has infinite more talent but that doesn't mean much if he doesn't want to use it to the fullest.

Yea but what you're forgetting, not only do we have KG and Doc... WINNING, may also play a role in keeping him happy. Heck, I would hate being good and always losing too... I'd probably throw hissy-fits too.

We're playing 500 ball right now. We have brighter rest of the season compared to Sacramento but we're technically not 'winning' right now, either.


Technically we weren't winning early last season either...


That wasn't my point anyway... it's that WITH DMC we would probably be winning more (we are better than Sac w/o him), either way you slice it, it'd be a winning environment in comparison... case rested.

Kentucky was a winning environment. Didn't stop him from butting heads with Calapari.

Case reopen.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: ImShakHeIsShaq on December 25, 2012, 02:58:41 AM
Quick question. Why is Cousins a career 44% shooter?

He seems like a monster on the low block.. What am I missing?

because he jacks up a lot of long jumpers too

So he's like a dumb(er) Josh Smith in that regard?

Pass.


Having KG would put his butt on the block. Can't turn down a 22 year old Center with Talent out the wazoo

See I hate that argument. KG doesn't have some mythical aura around him that makes all other players listen to and respect him. Sure, the smart ones do but Cousins doesn't sound like he fits that bill.

I can see KG trying to tell him something, Cousins blowing it off and then KG completely forgetting the kid exists. See Patrick O'Bryant. POB and DMC are sort of alike personality wise. Obviously DMC has infinite more talent but that doesn't mean much if he doesn't want to use it to the fullest.

Yea but what you're forgetting, not only do we have KG and Doc... WINNING, may also play a role in keeping him happy. Heck, I would hate being good and always losing too... I'd probably throw hissy-fits too.

We're playing 500 ball right now. We have brighter rest of the season compared to Sacramento but we're technically not 'winning' right now, either.


Technically we weren't winning early last season either...


That wasn't my point anyway... it's that WITH DMC we would probably be winning more (we are better than Sac w/o him), either way you slice it, it'd be a winning environment in comparison... case rested.

Kentucky was a winning environment. Didn't stop him from butting heads with Calapari.

Case reopen.

A veteran KG was there? Case never reopened.

I said it's a combination of things.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: lon3lytoaster on December 25, 2012, 03:06:26 AM
Quick question. Why is Cousins a career 44% shooter?

He seems like a monster on the low block.. What am I missing?

because he jacks up a lot of long jumpers too

So he's like a dumb(er) Josh Smith in that regard?

Pass.


Having KG would put his butt on the block. Can't turn down a 22 year old Center with Talent out the wazoo

See I hate that argument. KG doesn't have some mythical aura around him that makes all other players listen to and respect him. Sure, the smart ones do but Cousins doesn't sound like he fits that bill.

I can see KG trying to tell him something, Cousins blowing it off and then KG completely forgetting the kid exists. See Patrick O'Bryant. POB and DMC are sort of alike personality wise. Obviously DMC has infinite more talent but that doesn't mean much if he doesn't want to use it to the fullest.

Yea but what you're forgetting, not only do we have KG and Doc... WINNING, may also play a role in keeping him happy. Heck, I would hate being good and always losing too... I'd probably throw hissy-fits too.

We're playing 500 ball right now. We have brighter rest of the season compared to Sacramento but we're technically not 'winning' right now, either.


Technically we weren't winning early last season either...


That wasn't my point anyway... it's that WITH DMC we would probably be winning more (we are better than Sac w/o him), either way you slice it, it'd be a winning environment in comparison... case rested.

Kentucky was a winning environment. Didn't stop him from butting heads with Calapari.

Case reopen.

A veteran KG was there? Case never reopened.

I said it's a combination of things.

What does KG have to do with anything? Really? He isn't a magician. He isn't a psychologist. He's a basketball player. If you aren't going to respect your highly touted college coach.. And your high school coach why are you going to respect any player on the team? You're not.

Again, and I love repeating this one, nature vs. nurture. Cousin's nature is to be a head case most likely. No environment change is going to fix that. No veteran leadership is going to fix that. The only thing that can fix DeMarcus Cousins is a labotomy.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: crimson_stallion on December 25, 2012, 03:21:33 AM
This is yet another example of the Andre Blatche scenario.

During the off season I was begging for Danny to sign Blatche.  My theory was that he's young, he's big and he's talented and he's available for cheap.  At the end of the day if it didn't work out it would be a very small risk, but if it did it would be a very big gain.  The only risk in the end was his personality, but there was always the chance he would break out if he went to a team with good mentors and a winning attitude.

85% of people here were disgusted by the idea and said they would rather have Collins, Darko and just about anything that walked over Blatche because of his "personality issues".

Right now Blatche is averaging 11.5 points (on 50% shooting) and 6 rebounds in 21 minutes.  He could probably make a case as one of the better 6th men in the league.

With Cousins it's a similar scenario, only Cousins is both younger and FAR more talented then Blatche.  If he were to get his head together he has almost limitless potential - he could easilly develop into a top 5 center in the NBA if his mentality was right.

People here say that KG's mentality doesn't help people, but look at the number of comments Sullinger has made about KG taking him in and how much he has tought him.  Look at what happened when Hollins and Stiemsma came to Boston.  Nobody knew Stiemsma existed, and Hollins was a joke - both turned out to be productive and useful players within a month or two of being here.

Yes it's true that getting KG's approval isn't easy.  If Cousins came over with an arrogant and selfish mindseet then KG would not want anything to do with him i'm sure.  BUT who in Sacramento does Cousins have to actually admire or look up to?  What type of role model is there who he could actually respect enough to listen to?  He is understandably arrogant there because he's the most talented player on the team, so it's natural that (given his age, and talent level) he's going to get a little cocky.

He comes here and suddenly he's playing the most successful franchise in history - he walks in, sees all of those championship banners hanging from the ceiling. 

Then he comes in and talks to Doc - he's a guy who has coached a championship team.  He's achieved what Cousins ultimately is hoping for - you have to respect that.

Then he walks in the locker room and talks to Paul Pierce and KG.  Both of these guys are future hall of famers and legends within the league.  Both are in the record books and all time standings, and both have championship rings.

Then he talks to Rondo, a guy considered by some as being the best PG in the league (without a doubt top 5). 

Suddenly he feel choked up.  Suddenly when he's talking to all of these people, being surrounded by all of this greatness, he starts to feel humbled.  He realises right now that he has a LONG way to go. 

I'm not saying that this is what would happen because you can't predict human nature, but I can imagine myself in his situation and it would be VERY different being the best player on a horrible team with no tradition, versus being the 4th or 5th best player on a team that has made the second round of the playoffs (or better) every year since 2008.

At the end of the day as Doc once said, you cannot say no to talent.  If you have a chance to get talent, you take it.  Maybe it works out and maybe it doesn't, but you need to take that chance.

Either way, I LOVE the look of this sttarting lineup:

Cousins
Garnett
Pierce
Evans / Bradley
Rondo

As well as this bench:

Collins
Wilcox
Green
Evans / Bradley
Terry


Because Cousins is only young he could easilly play 36 minutes per game, so we'd only need Wilcox and Collins between them to give us 12 minutes max a night.

Green can now back up both Pierce (14 minutes) and KG (20 minutes) at both SF and PF positions.  This opens up about 30-34 minutes of playing time for Green, which is what many believe he really needs to be at his most effective.  I do honestly believe we could get about 15 and 5 from Green if he played those kind of minutes on a consistent basis.

At the guard positions it wouldn't really matter which combo we went.  If we started Rondo and Bradley we have one of the most dominant backcourts in the league (as we learned last year).  A starting backcourt of Rondo + Evans would be deadly too, and Evans has the size to defend larger SG's and some SF's nmuch like Pietrus did for us last season.   

On the bench both Terry and Evans are combo guards capable of backing up the PG spot or playing off the ball as volume scorers.  The other option would be Terry + Bradley which would give us an outstanding offense/defense combo on our second unit.  Personally I'd rather Bradley start because he has great chemistry with Rondo, but either works well.

You KNOW Doc has been hoping for a chance to pick up a capable PG so as much as this deal seems unlikely, I have little doubts that Danny would be trying to pursue it.  Either Evans or Isiah Thomas can man the PG spot which allows Bradley and Terry to play their natural role off the ball.

Certainly not holding my breath, but god I would love this move.  Cousins is a major upgrade over Sullinger, Evans is a major upgrade over Lee, Bass is redundant as it is, and any draft picks we have will be low ones in a weak draft.  There is no chance you would refuse this deal.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: crimson_stallion on December 25, 2012, 03:23:41 AM
Again, and I love repeating this one, nature vs. nurture. Cousin's nature is to be a head case most likely. No environment change is going to fix that. No veteran leadership is going to fix that. The only thing that can fix DeMarcus Cousins is a labotomy.

Exactly what people said about Blatche, and look at what he's doing in Brooklyn?

You never know what a change of scenery can do for a person, and when you are playing as badly as we are right now with an opporunity to gain a MAJOR increase in talent...you do NOT say no. 
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: DarkAzcura on December 25, 2012, 03:34:49 AM
I wonder how many people here don't realize that Rondo could have turned into a DMC kind of player (attitude wise) on a bad team with a bad coach.

DMC probably hasn't had a coach who had the balls to not play him, sit him down, and say "do you realize no one likes to play with you?". Rondo got that his rookie year. DMC has been handed minutes on silver platter. He needs to be in an environment where winning matters and his coach/front office is actually respected. He needs to know he is on a tight leash. He won't feel that pressure in a place where he believes he is head hancho, best player ever, and smartest guy in the room. It may or may not help, but I think it could do wonders.

Like Rondo, Demarcus wants to win. He cares about basketball. His issue is that he thinks he is smarter than everyone else (like Rondo..but luckily for Rondo, he actually is smarter than most players). His way or the highway. I think this can be helped and is worth the risk. 
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: ImShakHeIsShaq on December 25, 2012, 03:56:22 AM
Quick question. Why is Cousins a career 44% shooter?

He seems like a monster on the low block.. What am I missing?

because he jacks up a lot of long jumpers too

So he's like a dumb(er) Josh Smith in that regard?

Pass.


Having KG would put his butt on the block. Can't turn down a 22 year old Center with Talent out the wazoo

See I hate that argument. KG doesn't have some mythical aura around him that makes all other players listen to and respect him. Sure, the smart ones do but Cousins doesn't sound like he fits that bill.

I can see KG trying to tell him something, Cousins blowing it off and then KG completely forgetting the kid exists. See Patrick O'Bryant. POB and DMC are sort of alike personality wise. Obviously DMC has infinite more talent but that doesn't mean much if he doesn't want to use it to the fullest.

Yea but what you're forgetting, not only do we have KG and Doc... WINNING, may also play a role in keeping him happy. Heck, I would hate being good and always losing too... I'd probably throw hissy-fits too.

We're playing 500 ball right now. We have brighter rest of the season compared to Sacramento but we're technically not 'winning' right now, either.


Technically we weren't winning early last season either...


That wasn't my point anyway... it's that WITH DMC we would probably be winning more (we are better than Sac w/o him), either way you slice it, it'd be a winning environment in comparison... case rested.

Kentucky was a winning environment. Didn't stop him from butting heads with Calapari.

Case reopen.

A veteran KG was there? Case never reopened.

I said it's a combination of things.

What does KG have to do with anything? Really? He isn't a magician. He isn't a psychologist. He's a basketball player. If you aren't going to respect your highly touted college coach.. And your high school coach why are you going to respect any player on the team? You're not.

Again, and I love repeating this one, nature vs. nurture. Cousin's nature is to be a head case most likely. No environment change is going to fix that. No veteran leadership is going to fix that. The only thing that can fix DeMarcus Cousins is a labotomy.



Thank you for knowing all! I'm glad you can see the future! I don't need to reply anymore b/c I can see you already know what I'm going to say... have at it buddy.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: Boris Badenov on December 25, 2012, 06:14:24 AM
Again, and I love repeating this one, nature vs. nurture. Cousin's nature is to be a head case most likely. No environment change is going to fix that. No veteran leadership is going to fix that. The only thing that can fix DeMarcus Cousins is a labotomy.

Exactly what people said about Blatche, and look at what he's doing in Brooklyn?

You never know what a change of scenery can do for a person, and when you are playing as badly as we are right now with an opporunity to gain a MAJOR increase in talent...you do NOT say no.

For every Blatche there are ten Michael Beasleys.

And we're not just talking about taking a flyer with minimal downside. These are discussions about trades in which the Celtics give up valuable assets.

Right now Cousins is on one of the worst teams in the league, and he makes that team worse by being on the court rather than off it. He's a mediocre offensive player, and a terrible defensive player.

Pass.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: Celtics4ever on December 25, 2012, 07:04:25 AM
I do not think he is mediocre as you suppose.  He is a good rebounder but I concede he is a poor shooter but strangely a good free throw shooter.  But 9.6 RPG a game is nothing to turn one's nose up at.  His ceiling is way higher than Perk's in terms of potential.   Whether he can man up and swallow his ego is another thing.   But he is an athletic 6'11' 270 pounder.   I think he has maturity issues.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: Birdman on December 25, 2012, 07:15:09 AM
Be greatest Christmas present ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: moiso on December 25, 2012, 08:32:58 AM
Again, and I love repeating this one, nature vs. nurture. Cousin's nature is to be a head case most likely. No environment change is going to fix that. No veteran leadership is going to fix that. The only thing that can fix DeMarcus Cousins is a labotomy.

Exactly what people said about Blatche, and look at what he's doing in Brooklyn?

You never know what a change of scenery can do for a person, and when you are playing as badly as we are right now with an opporunity to gain a MAJOR increase in talent...you do NOT say no.
Lets not call Blatche a great success yet.  He's behaved for a 25 game span.  And he knows he's on a short leash.  I'm not impressed yet.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: Celtics4ever on December 25, 2012, 08:36:14 AM
I would rather have Cousins than Blatche.   One plays inside and is a real center and one is a PF who thinks he is a SF and shuns inside play.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: dark_lord on December 25, 2012, 08:37:17 AM
The only thing that can fix DeMarcus Cousins is a labotomy.

lol, classic! tp
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: Birdman on December 25, 2012, 09:08:14 AM
Cousins would be great here!!! In Sacramento, he really has no one to show him the way. By that, i mean maturity on and off the court. Here, u have Doc, KG, PP, and alot of past players who can talk to him like Tommy.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: hpantazo on December 25, 2012, 09:35:28 AM
Cousins would be great here!!! In Sacramento, he really has no one to show him the way. By that, i mean maturity on and off the court. Here, u have Doc, KG, PP, and alot of past players who can talk to him like Tommy.

The guy just argued with Clifford Ray at his first practice back from suspension, do you really think Tommy Heinson would get to him?
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: Eddie20 on December 25, 2012, 09:38:41 AM
Cousins would be great here!!! In Sacramento, he really has no one to show him the way. By that, i mean maturity on and off the court. Here, u have Doc, KG, PP, and alot of past players who can talk to him like Tommy.

The guy just argued with Clifford Ray at his first practice back from suspension, do you really think Tommy Heinson would get to him?

Not sure if he would listen to Tommy, but you worded it as though Ray was the Hall of Famer.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: Celtics4ever on December 25, 2012, 09:38:52 AM
We have enough jump shooters, the league has caught up to Doc's jump shooting scheme so Blatche makes zero sense.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: hpantazo on December 25, 2012, 09:51:47 AM
Cousins would be great here!!! In Sacramento, he really has no one to show him the way. By that, i mean maturity on and off the court. Here, u have Doc, KG, PP, and alot of past players who can talk to him like Tommy.

The guy just argued with Clifford Ray at his first practice back from suspension, do you really think Tommy Heinson would get to him?

Not sure if he would listen to Tommy, but you worded it as though Ray was the Hall of Famer.



Yea, I didn't quite word it well , but Ray is a nice guy and was the person working one on one with him to develop his game. Tommy is well respected as he should be around here, but to younger guys around the league he's just an old homer.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: Who on December 25, 2012, 10:00:33 AM
Again, and I love repeating this one, nature vs. nurture. Cousin's nature is to be a head case most likely. No environment change is going to fix that. No veteran leadership is going to fix that. The only thing that can fix DeMarcus Cousins is a labotomy.

Exactly what people said about Blatche, and look at what he's doing in Brooklyn?

You never know what a change of scenery can do for a person, and when you are playing as badly as we are right now with an opporunity to gain a MAJOR increase in talent...you do NOT say no.

For every Blatche there are ten Michael Beasleys.

And we're not just talking about taking a flyer with minimal downside. These are discussions about trades in which the Celtics give up valuable assets.

Right now Cousins is on one of the worst teams in the league, and he makes that team worse by being on the court rather than off it. He's a mediocre offensive player, and a terrible defensive player.

Pass.
Cousins has been improving quite a bit defensively since he entered the league.

I'd say he is close to average now. Pretty good as a man-to-man defender. Team defense still needs some work.

The team's poor overall defense has been holding him back. He is a guy that would look quite a bit better with a quality defensive coach and system. With teammates who played consistent defense. Overexposed in Sacramento by poor teammates / coaching.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: European NBA fan on December 25, 2012, 11:15:27 AM
So the basic "rumor" is that Danny have been on the phone with the Kings and given them some kind of offer. That's more than likely. But I'm not so sure that they didn't just hung up on him.

As for Cousins being a fit or not with the Celtics, I believe that he could be. KG had high praises for him after the game in March, even after they tried to get under each other's skin.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: Eddie20 on December 25, 2012, 11:29:23 AM
So the basic "rumor" is that Danny have been on the phone with the Kings and given them some kind of offer. That's more than likely. But I'm not so sure that they didn't just hung up on him.

I see this so often that it makes me wonder if people really believe GM's hang up on other GM's, or if it's said tongue in cheek.

As for The Kings, I do like that Ainge and Petrie have completed 2 trades in the past couple of years so at least the report is established.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: RyNye on December 25, 2012, 11:45:37 AM
I really hope this trade doesn't happen, I want nothing to do with Cousins.

I know there is an off-chance that being in a better environment will get him to improve, but really, I am ASTOUNDED at the number of people that really want him.

The problem is that his two biggest weaknesses make him a bad fit for our team: he is a pure jump shooter, and not even very good at that (his shooting percentages are pretty mediocre), he turns the ball over waaaaaay too much, and he fouls too much at defense (he is always going for steals and strips). This is NOT what our team needs right now.

That said, I know Cousins is young, and he is a good rebounder. If under the tutelage of KG and Doc he can learn to play more intelligently on both ends of the court, he can be an All-Star caliber player. But ... I just don't see it happening ... he has had such immense maturity problems both on and off the court, and his weaknesses are exactly the ones that will fit the worst with our already jump-shooting turnover-prone team, I don't even want to take the chance on him.

I want absolutely nothing to do with him, and I think the people who do want him will be unpleasantly surprised if he comes here when he does nothing to improve our team.

(I am just not a gambling man, so for me, it is hoping a lot for a player to radically change almost everything about the way they play basketball, especially one as infamously immature as Cousins. I know Blatche has done exactly that in Brooklyn, but those cases are so rare can we realistically expect it to happen again so soon?)
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: Boris Badenov on December 25, 2012, 11:50:21 AM
Again, and I love repeating this one, nature vs. nurture. Cousin's nature is to be a head case most likely. No environment change is going to fix that. No veteran leadership is going to fix that. The only thing that can fix DeMarcus Cousins is a labotomy.

Exactly what people said about Blatche, and look at what he's doing in Brooklyn?

You never know what a change of scenery can do for a person, and when you are playing as badly as we are right now with an opporunity to gain a MAJOR increase in talent...you do NOT say no.

For every Blatche there are ten Michael Beasleys.

And we're not just talking about taking a flyer with minimal downside. These are discussions about trades in which the Celtics give up valuable assets.

Right now Cousins is on one of the worst teams in the league, and he makes that team worse by being on the court rather than off it. He's a mediocre offensive player, and a terrible defensive player.

Pass.
Cousins has been improving quite a bit defensively since he entered the league.

I'd say he is close to average now. Pretty good as a man-to-man defender. Team defense still needs some work.

The team's poor overall defense has been holding him back. He is a guy that would look quite a bit better with a quality defensive coach and system. With teammates who played consistent defense. Overexposed in Sacramento by poor teammates / coaching.

The Kings give up 112 points per 48 with him on the court, and 107 with him off.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: cltc5 on December 25, 2012, 12:32:13 PM
I really hope this trade doesn't happen, I want nothing to do with Cousins.

I know there is an off-chance that being in a better environment will get him to improve, but really, I am ASTOUNDED at the number of people that really want him.

The problem is that his two biggest weaknesses make him a bad fit for our team: he is a pure jump shooter, and not even very good at that (his shooting percentages are pretty mediocre), he turns the ball over waaaaaay too much, and he fouls too much at defense (he is always going for steals and strips). This is NOT what our team needs right now.

That said, I know Cousins is young, and he is a good rebounder. If under the tutelage of KG and Doc he can learn to play more intelligently on both ends of the court, he can be an All-Star caliber player. But ... I just don't see it happening ... he has had such immense maturity problems both on and off the court, and his weaknesses are exactly the ones that will fit the worst with our already jump-shooting turnover-prone team, I don't even want to take the chance on him.

I want absolutely nothing to do with him, and I think the people who do want him will be unpleasantly surprised if he comes here when he does nothing to improve our team.

(I am just not a gambling man, so for me, it is hoping a lot for a player to radically change almost everything about the way they play basketball, especially one as infamously immature as Cousins. I know Blatche has done exactly that in Brooklyn, but those cases are so rare can we realistically expect it to happen again so soon?)

It's this smae trepidation that has us admiring Blatche from afar.  Celtics fans and the organization need to stop whining about the "head cases" and base it on can, the kid play and help us improve.  I kinda thought that's what it was about :P
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: manl_lui on December 25, 2012, 12:32:31 PM
he is worth the risk...this guy has enormous potential, you can't say no to if we're only giving up Lee, Bass and Sully...

this guy could be a star...and Rondo will make him better...
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: tenn_smoothie on December 25, 2012, 12:45:05 PM
acquiring Cousins would be selling our soul to the Devil - no thank you.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: Who on December 25, 2012, 12:54:00 PM
Again, and I love repeating this one, nature vs. nurture. Cousin's nature is to be a head case most likely. No environment change is going to fix that. No veteran leadership is going to fix that. The only thing that can fix DeMarcus Cousins is a labotomy.

Exactly what people said about Blatche, and look at what he's doing in Brooklyn?

You never know what a change of scenery can do for a person, and when you are playing as badly as we are right now with an opporunity to gain a MAJOR increase in talent...you do NOT say no.

For every Blatche there are ten Michael Beasleys.

And we're not just talking about taking a flyer with minimal downside. These are discussions about trades in which the Celtics give up valuable assets.

Right now Cousins is on one of the worst teams in the league, and he makes that team worse by being on the court rather than off it. He's a mediocre offensive player, and a terrible defensive player.

Pass.
Cousins has been improving quite a bit defensively since he entered the league.

I'd say he is close to average now. Pretty good as a man-to-man defender. Team defense still needs some work.

The team's poor overall defense has been holding him back. He is a guy that would look quite a bit better with a quality defensive coach and system. With teammates who played consistent defense. Overexposed in Sacramento by poor teammates / coaching.

The Kings give up 112 points per 48 with him on the court, and 107 with him off.

That is not because of Cousins. It is because Cousins rarely gets to play with Chuck Hayes (best defensive big man, best overall defender on team, only above average defensive big on the team). Plus, Cousins normally plays against more talented offensive players / units and Hayes against backup big men / 2nd units.

Furthermore, Cousins plays lots of his minutes alongside defensive liabilities like Aaron Brooks (PG) and John Salmons (SF) + the undersized and defensively deficient wing combo of Tyreke Evans (SF) and Marcus Thornton (SG) + is usually coupled with a dodgy big man defender at PF in Jason Thompson or sometimes Thomas Robinson.

One would expect Cousins to have a negative +/- in this situation.

I am not saying Cousins is a good defensive player. I am just saying that Cousins isn't terrible defensively anymore (which he was when he entered the league). He has improved quite a bit defensively. I'd say Cousins is pretty close to average now. He is just on a team that is seriously dysfunctional defensively.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: Boris Badenov on December 25, 2012, 01:21:06 PM
Again, and I love repeating this one, nature vs. nurture. Cousin's nature is to be a head case most likely. No environment change is going to fix that. No veteran leadership is going to fix that. The only thing that can fix DeMarcus Cousins is a labotomy.

Exactly what people said about Blatche, and look at what he's doing in Brooklyn?

You never know what a change of scenery can do for a person, and when you are playing as badly as we are right now with an opporunity to gain a MAJOR increase in talent...you do NOT say no.

For every Blatche there are ten Michael Beasleys.

And we're not just talking about taking a flyer with minimal downside. These are discussions about trades in which the Celtics give up valuable assets.

Right now Cousins is on one of the worst teams in the league, and he makes that team worse by being on the court rather than off it. He's a mediocre offensive player, and a terrible defensive player.

Pass.
Cousins has been improving quite a bit defensively since he entered the league.

I'd say he is close to average now. Pretty good as a man-to-man defender. Team defense still needs some work.

The team's poor overall defense has been holding him back. He is a guy that would look quite a bit better with a quality defensive coach and system. With teammates who played consistent defense. Overexposed in Sacramento by poor teammates / coaching.

The Kings give up 112 points per 48 with him on the court, and 107 with him off.

That is not because of Cousins. It is because Cousins rarely gets to play with Chuck Hayes (best defensive big man, best overall defender on team, only above average defensive big on the team). Plus, Cousins normally plays against more talented offensive players / units and Hayes against backup big men / 2nd units.

Furthermore, Cousins plays lots of his minutes alongside defensive liabilities like Aaron Brooks (PG) and John Salmons (SF) + the undersized and defensively deficient wing combo of Tyreke Evans (SF) and Marcus Thornton (SG) + is usually coupled with a dodgy big man defender at PF in Jason Thompson or sometimes Thomas Robinson.

One would expect Cousins to have a negative +/- in this situation.

I am not saying Cousins is a good defensive player. I am just saying that Cousins isn't terrible defensively anymore (which he was when he entered the league). He has improved quite a bit defensively. I'd say Cousins is pretty close to average now. He is just on a team that is seriously dysfunctional defensively.


I agree that those guys are not great, but none of them has a defensive point differential as bad as Cousins':

http://www.82games.com/1213/1213SAC.HTM

I can't find the Synergy numbers, which I trust more. And you're right about Hayes. But still. If the root of our problems right now is defense, getting Cousins would be a very bad move.

He is also a punk who is shooting 42% from the floor as a center. I live in Sacramento so I follow his exploits fairly closely, and in my opinion there is a 50% chance he is out of the league in a few years. He is in Sprewell/Artest territory, in my opinion: perfectly capable of doing something dumb enough to get him suspended for a year, or kicked out of the league.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: CoachBo on December 25, 2012, 03:11:39 PM
Chuckle.

We have a point guard who's idolized who was described twice during today's broadcast as "difficult to deal with" and y'all are worried about Cousins?

This trade is insane, and it won't happen - but if it did, it would be a Laker-esque steal that would make the Celtics better on the offensive end of the floor, and eventually defensively once the young man finds himself immersed in the winning environment and tradition.

Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: European NBA fan on December 25, 2012, 04:24:54 PM
So the basic "rumor" is that Danny have been on the phone with the Kings and given them some kind of offer. That's more than likely. But I'm not so sure that they didn't just hung up on him.

I see this so often that it makes me wonder if people really believe GM's hang up on other GM's, or if it's said tongue in cheek.

As for The Kings, I do like that Ainge and Petrie have completed 2 trades in the past couple of years so at least the report is established.

I don't use the phrase literally. And I don't believe that GM's treat each other like annoying phone sales people. 
Title: Re: RUMOR: BREAKING TRADE NEWS: Cousins to Boston Almost DONE
Post by: ItStaysYang on December 25, 2012, 05:39:26 PM
Makes no sense at all for the kings. 99.9% confirmed to be false.

Do you know what confirmed means?
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: greg683x on December 25, 2012, 06:10:28 PM
andray blatche is playing on a one year non-guaranteed contract.

Why are we acting like the verdict still isnt out on him?  Ive seen plenty of headcases behave for one year just to get more money.  see Blount, Mark; Haynesworth, Albert
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: KCattheStripe on December 25, 2012, 06:24:20 PM
andray blatche is playing on a one year non-guaranteed contract.

Why are we acting like the verdict still isnt out on him?  Ive seen plenty of headcases behave for one year just to get more money.  see Blount, Mark; Haynesworth, Albert

Because he's young.

See Randolph, Zach. Wallace, Rasheed. Pierce, Paul.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: ScottHow on December 25, 2012, 06:40:02 PM
Cousins has been a big meat stick, but it's a little early for the Kings to give up on him.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: Lord of Mikawa on December 25, 2012, 06:49:46 PM
Seems false to me.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: Atzar on December 25, 2012, 07:48:52 PM
I honestly believe that the "KG can help him!" thing actually makes sense with Cousins.  I don't see KG as this soothsayer who automatically cures all clubhouse ills.  I do see KG as an emotional player who has learned, over the course of his career, how to harness that part of his game. 

Cousins' problem isn't that he doesn't care.  He cares.  You can see that just by watching a couple of his games.  His problem is that he's immature and he wears his emotions on his sleeve.  If he's frustrated, you're going to see it.  If he's angry or pumped, you'll know.  If there's anybody who can teach him how to handle that, it's KG. 

For the record, I think this rumor makes no sense.  But I would LOVE to take a chance on Cousins.  That's the kind of gamble that, in my opinion, you make in an instant.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: indeedproceed on December 25, 2012, 09:04:46 PM
@DrayBaltche Y'all still talking about me? Did Shawne Williams teach you nothing?

Boogie Cousins to Zbo makes sense, but I think Sheed is way better a comparison. Cousins issues are with coaches, not strip clubs. Those issues, while still a big deal, have a good history of being able to be compensated for, at least mitigated.

I'd trade anyone not named Rondo (Pierce and KG are likely untouchable, not for still, just for where/who they are) for Cousins. He's worth the gamble.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: crimson_stallion on December 25, 2012, 10:24:44 PM
For every Blatche there are ten Michael Beasleys.

And we're not just talking about taking a flyer with minimal downside. These are discussions about trades in which the Celtics give up valuable assets.

Right now Cousins is on one of the worst teams in the league, and he makes that team worse by being on the court rather than off it. He's a mediocre offensive player, and a terrible defensive player.

Beasley is a tweener - he's Jeff Green with a bad attitude.  We are having enough trouble getting consistent production out of Jeff Green with a GOOD attitude.

Cousins is a 6'11", built like an ox and pretty athletic.  Guys with that type of physical ability usually have value in the NBA even if they are completely lacking talent. 

Cousins does not lack talent.  He is an ourstanding rebounding, he has a properly capable inside game, and he has the physical tools to be a solid defensive player in the right situation.

The sheer lack of talented big men in the NBA makes Cousins VERY much worth taking a gamble on. 

Another difference is that we have seen Beasley go to multiple teams (from decent teams like Miami to terrible teams like Phoenix) and his mentality never changed. Both Blatche and Cousins had been stuck on a single team their entire career, and in both cases (Sac an Wash) they were garbage teams with no hope of winning anything.

Imagine you are a legitimately talented young NBA player.  Every night you go out there and you work your butt off and as the best player of your team.  Every night you go out and grab nearly 20 points and 10 rebounds a game, yet you still lose.  Doesn't matter how hard you try or how good you play - you could get 30 and 15 and you'd probably still lose, because you play for a garbage team.

Being in that situation, wouldn't you start to eventually get sick of being the only guy playing well?  Wouldn't you get tired of putting it all on the line only to get constantly blown out, knowing that your team has zero hope of making the playoffs?     

Occasionally you will find players with exceptional resolve (like KG and Paul Pierce) who will continue to work their butt off for a losing team out of sheer loyalty and determination, but those players are the rare exception rather than the rule.

This is exactly why I wanted Blatche here so badly - the guy is big and athletic and he knows how to play.  He has the talent and the physical gifts to be a very good player in the league and the only thing holding him back is his mentality.  You don't need to teach this guy how to play, all you need to do is get him to believe and to buy in to your system and you just got yourself an outstanding talent at a bargain price.  So far it looks like New Jersey did just that.

Cousins is in the same situation.  This kid is extremely young so his potential is limitless.  He has the physical gifts to be a not solid, but Elite big in this league.  Worse case scenario he is Vin Baker, and best case scenario he is Karl Malone.  You could do a LOT worse then Vin Baker as a worst case for a young player, and that's the risk you take to get a potential Karl Malone in return then you're insane not to take it.

Especially when you run a team that is notoriously lacking in talented big men.  I'm thinking that Vin Baker at his worst would be a nice improvement over an big man (not named KG) we have right now...
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: kozlodoev on December 25, 2012, 10:26:33 PM
andray blatche is playing on a one year non-guaranteed contract.

Why are we acting like the verdict still isnt out on him?  Ive seen plenty of headcases behave for one year just to get more money.  see Blount, Mark; Haynesworth, Albert
Blount and Haynesworth are not headcases. There's a difference between just being lazy and being several fries short of a happy meal.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: greg683x on December 25, 2012, 10:31:54 PM
Maybe you can separate Mark Blount from the three but not Haynesworth and Blatche.

Both are lazy and out of shape, yes but they both have had legal problems as well.  Haynesworth fondling waitresses and having to go to court for threatening people during road rage incidents.

Blatche getting arrested for soliciting prostitutes and getting himself shot in an arguement outside a strip club.  Both have had horrible issues with coaches and were hated by his teammates.

I dont see the difference youre trying to point out
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: crimson_stallion on December 25, 2012, 10:36:46 PM
Blount and Haynesworth are not headcases. There's a difference between just being lazy and being several fries short of a happy meal.

TP - this made me chuckle  ;D
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: pearljammer10 on December 25, 2012, 10:53:06 PM
Blatche is still a dumb player and makes terrible decisions on the court. I wouldn't touch him with a 29 1/2 foot pole
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: hpantazo on December 25, 2012, 10:54:29 PM
Blatche is still a dumb player and makes terrible decisions on the court. I wouldn't touch him with a 29 1/2 foot pole

I hope the Nets sign him to a long term deal and get the Blount treatment.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: indeedproceed on December 25, 2012, 10:59:51 PM
Blatche is still a dumb player and makes terrible decisions on the court. I wouldn't touch him with a 29 1/2 foot pole

I hope the Nets sign him to a long term deal and get the Blount treatment.
The Shawne Wiliams comparisons abound. He's a reserve on an okay team, playing pretty well, with a history of terrible behavior and worse choices.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: Mazingerz on December 26, 2012, 01:01:37 AM
Wow, for a fake trade this thread has really long legs.

Anyway, I'd take a chance on Cousins - with Bass, Lee and draft picks.

I don't want to trade any of our youngins.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: KCattheStripe on December 26, 2012, 01:12:51 AM
Blatche is still a dumb player and makes terrible decisions on the court. I wouldn't touch him with a 29 1/2 foot pole

Is it because he's a mean one, Mr. Grinch?
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: Eddie20 on December 26, 2012, 03:41:32 PM
Kings beat writer:


 
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Jason Jones
‏@mr_jasonjones
DeMarcus Cousins is not with the Kings in Portland (Coach's decision).

Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: j804 on December 26, 2012, 04:31:00 PM
Kings beat writer:


 
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Jason Jones
‏@mr_jasonjones
DeMarcus Cousins is not with the Kings in Portland (Coach's decision).
LOL why did I know this would be posted here
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: Who on December 26, 2012, 04:38:59 PM
Sounds like the coach is still punishing Cousins.

Maybe Keith Smart wasn't happy that the GM / owner didn't take a stronger stand against Cousins. It doesn't seem like a united front there (coaching staff, front office, owner).
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: ghost_of_davidthirdkill on December 26, 2012, 04:52:25 PM
If the Kings are truly at the end of their rope with Cousins, would they consider the following trade proposal?

Boston sends:  Jeff Green, Courtney Lee, Fab Melo + two 1st round picks

Sacramento sends:  Demarcus Cousins, John Salmons and Travis Outlaw

I know that most trade ideas for Cousins have included Bradley and Sullinger, but I think the Kings have a greater need at the SF position.  They don't really have anybody good there.  Whereas, Sullinger might just be redundant when you consider they just drafted Thomas Robinson.

Anyway, I just think Green would thrive in Sacramento.  He'd be able to start at SF and would probably be a lot more comfortable in a less stressful environment.  I could easily see him become a steady 16 - 19 point, 7-8 rebound player for them.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: Birdman on December 26, 2012, 04:52:42 PM
Kings beat writer:


 
Quote
Jason Jones
‏@mr_jasonjones
DeMarcus Cousins is not with the Kings in Portland (Coach's decision).
Go get'em Danny!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: Finkelskyhook on December 26, 2012, 05:25:55 PM
If Danny thought Rivers could coach a Cousins-type headcase He'd have signed Blatche.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: Eddie20 on December 26, 2012, 05:31:59 PM
If Danny thought Rivers could coach a Cousins-type headcase He'd have signed Blatche.

You can't compare the talent level between the two. Cousins has the potential of being the best center in the NBA in a few years.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: SHAQATTACK on December 26, 2012, 05:33:40 PM
yup ... like Cous's tude wn't bad already... dis may aggitate him too. ??? 

he gonna leave em anyway dis keep up. 

Still won't give up AB or Sully. ,  for no crazy boy 
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: Finkelskyhook on December 26, 2012, 05:44:12 PM
If Danny thought Rivers could coach a Cousins-type headcase He'd have signed Blatche.

You can't compare the talent level between the two. Cousins has the potential of being the best center in the NBA in a few years.

Maybe not....But Cousins wasn't available...Blatche was and was signed for very minimal money based on his raw talent.  Danny didn't touch him.

Danny's history has been to desleaze the roster and then after the roster was desleazed...Bring in potential headcases on minimum deals mid-season. 

No way they bring in Cousins regardless of his potential.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: Eddie20 on December 26, 2012, 06:03:06 PM
If Danny thought Rivers could coach a Cousins-type headcase He'd have signed Blatche.

You can't compare the talent level between the two. Cousins has the potential of being the best center in the NBA in a few years.

Maybe not....But Cousins wasn't available...Blatche was and was signed for very minimal money based on his raw talent.  Danny didn't touch him.

Danny's history has been to desleaze the roster and then after the roster was desleazed...Bring in potential headcases on minimum deals mid-season. 

No way they bring in Cousins regardless of his potential.

Not really. He signed Delonte before the season.

Plus, how do we know he didn't contact Blatche? Blatche signed on September 12th and coincidentally Darko, a signing that came out of left field, was signed just 8 days later. Perhaps the allure of playing in Brooklyn, and potentially getting more minutes behind a center who missed nearly all of last year, was reason enough. Ainge is always pretty coy in his dealings and you can't rule out, one way or another, that the C's may have had interest.

As for the "no way they bring in Cousins" this was from the Boston Herald in January


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The Celtics, like most teams, have called Sacramento to gauge what it would take to trade for DeMarcus Cousins. The young, disgruntled Kings center has been suspended from the team for his disagreements with coach Paul Westphal.

Has much really changed? He's still very talented and still having issues with a coach. Unless the Sean Elliot incident is what's giving Ainge a change of heart.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: Change on December 26, 2012, 07:42:08 PM
Ainge do it. Give them Sully and unload Jeff Green.

DeMarcus Cousins
Travis Outlaw

4

Jared Sullinger
Jeff Green
2 1st round picks
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: Birdman on December 26, 2012, 07:50:41 PM
Folks, we almost have a losing record and in all likely hood may get a 6th or 7th seed in playoffs...we NEED a Center badly and Cousins would be great here..if not, we probably get knock off in first round
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: elcotte on December 26, 2012, 07:51:36 PM
Ainge do it. Give them Sully and unload Jeff Green.

DeMarcus Cousins
Travis Outlaw

4

Jared Sullinger
Jeff Green
2 1st round picks


I wouldn't trade Sullinger.....his IQ is too high, his attitude is good, and he's learning quickly. Cousins is a nut case. If we can get him for less fine, if not forget it.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: hpantazo on December 26, 2012, 07:53:38 PM
Folks, we almost have a losing record and in all likely hood may get a 6th or 7th seed in playoffs...we NEED a Center badly and Cousins would be great here..if not, we probably get knock off in first round

If we had reacted that way last year at this time of the season we likely would have never made it to the ECF. We'll be fine, our new guys are learning the defense, and we will pick up a center for cheap before the playoffs. No need to panic.

If there is an opportunity to get a player as talented as Cousins or Josh Smith for cheap, I'm sure Danny will do it. Otherwise we keep our young talent and get a cheap center for the playoffs, like Dalembert or Mozgov or however ends up on the scrap heap by the deadline to waive players.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: Chris on December 26, 2012, 08:08:17 PM
Folks, we almost have a losing record and in all likely hood may get a 6th or 7th seed in playoffs...we NEED a Center badly and Cousins would be great here..if not, we probably get knock off in first round

I'm not that pessimistic about this team, but I do think that if there ever were a time for this franchise to take a risk on a high reward player, its now.

If they can get Cousins for say, either Bradley or Sully, a first round pick, and one of Green/Lee/Bass, then its a no brainer.  If it takes both Bradley and Sully, its still hard to pass up.

Worst case scenario, Cousins isn't redeemable, and they lose a couple decent but not spectacular assets, and are otherwise where they were before. 

Best case scenario, they leap into a top contender status this season, and have a new building-block for the future. 

I'll tell you this, I prefer taking a risk like this, than tanking for a chance at a lottery pick.  At least in this scenario they have a decent idea what kind of talent they are getting.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: CelticG1 on December 26, 2012, 08:11:56 PM
If Danny thought Rivers could coach a Cousins-type headcase He'd have signed Blatche.

You can't compare the talent level between the two. Cousins has the potential of being the best center in the NBA in a few years.

Maybe not....But Cousins wasn't available...Blatche was and was signed for very minimal money based on his raw talent.  Danny didn't touch him.

Danny's history has been to desleaze the roster and then after the roster was desleazed...Bring in potential headcases on minimum deals mid-season. 

No way they bring in Cousins regardless of his potential.

I think it was/is more Doc than Danny getting that final call. They clearly have a strong working relationship and im thinking Danny ran Blatche past Doc and Doc wanted no part of it. Doc has not made very kind comments about Blatche over the years, something uncharacteristic of Doc.

I get the comparison of Cousins and Blatche but it is apples and oranges. Plus Blatche was before the season, when Doc was probably a lot more confident in the team and team chemistry. At this point he may be opened to Cousins and in hindsight may be regretting not getting Blatche
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: Chris on December 26, 2012, 08:15:17 PM
As for the Blatche thing, the C's had room for 1 low risk/high reward head case big man.  They went with Darko (and I can't help but wonder if the choice was actually made by KG, who has had major issues with Blatche).  It seems that they made the wrong choice.  But I don't think it says anything about their willingness to take on a headcase.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: SHAQATTACK on December 26, 2012, 08:32:12 PM
Maybe Cousins sitting , is a sign he is being traded  ???
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: tonyto3690 on December 26, 2012, 08:47:38 PM
whenever incarcerated bob is the source you know it has absolutely zero basis in reality.

the guys schtick is to name as many trades as possible for every sport and when it comes true 1 out of 1,000,000 times he points to it as validity and not dumb luck.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: j804 on December 26, 2012, 09:27:10 PM
As for the Blatche thing, the C's had room for 1 low risk/high reward head case big man.  They went with Darko (and I can't help but wonder if the choice was actually made by KG, who has had major issues with Blatche).  It seems that they made the wrong choice.  But I don't think it says anything about their willingness to take on a headcase.
KG has to have some pull and he hates Blatche
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: Chris on December 26, 2012, 11:04:44 PM
Hmmm, so both Cousins an Tyreke are held out of the game tonight. Avery Bradley didn't travel with the C's to LA.  And Sully played a career high in minutes yesterday (clearly a showcase). 

Obviously this deal is going down!
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: Lord of Mikawa on December 26, 2012, 11:08:09 PM
I'd hope not. Bradley is too valuable to dump right now.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: Kane3387 on December 26, 2012, 11:10:17 PM
Hmmm, so both Cousins an Tyreke are held out of the game tonight. Avery Bradley didn't travel with the C's to LA.  And Sully played a career high in minutes yesterday (clearly a showcase). 

Obviously this deal is going down!

Can you even imagine?

If we rolled out a lineup of Rondo, Tyreke, Pierce, KG, and Cousins... Ha that be awesome!!!
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: KCattheStripe on December 26, 2012, 11:11:17 PM
Tyreke next to Rondo is a nightmare.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: bfrombleacher on December 26, 2012, 11:12:06 PM
Tyreke next to Rondo is a nightmare.

Rondo with Cousins is also a nightmare...for other teams.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: Kane3387 on December 26, 2012, 11:13:24 PM
Tyreke next to Rondo is a nightmare.

What if Pierce takes more of an older Ray role (corner threes and coming off screens with the occasional pick and roll) and Reke takes on more of an older Pierce role (isolation and mid range game while attacking the basket)?
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: Lord of Mikawa on December 26, 2012, 11:15:44 PM
Tyreke next to Rondo is a nightmare.

Rondo with Cousins is also a nightmare...for other teams.
I don't want to get excited before it happens. But if it did...
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: SHAQATTACK on December 26, 2012, 11:16:15 PM
We need Cousins , but I hate to loose AB.   DA make it Lee and we have a deal... ;D
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: Vermont Green on December 26, 2012, 11:18:26 PM
Cousins makes $3,880,800.  That is a relatively cheap contract but actually makes it hard to match up salaries while giving them back something they are actually going to want.  So why don't we shoot the moon and try to get T. Evans too (about $5.2), accepting that we would need to take something else back that they want to get rid of (Outlaw at $3M).  So would you do:

Green + Bradley  (about $10M total)

for

Cousins + Evans + Outlaw (about $11M total)

What more would you be willing to throw in to make it work if we needed to sweeten?

I want no part of Salmons so if they want to dump him (which they probably do) I walk.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: Kane3387 on December 26, 2012, 11:19:34 PM
Via Chad Ford

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Tough call for the Kings. Cousins new agent will be pushing hard for a trade. They, along with the rest of the NBA, think the Kings ownership/management is dysfunctional and they want him out of there. The problem for the Kings is that Cousins is their best player, but given his frequent issues with coaches/teammates, teams aren't willing to give equal value back in return. In addition, I'm hearing that there's a split between the GM and ownership on what they want in return. Do they get back established players and try to win now or do they want more young prospects/draft picks? In other words, it's a giant mess ..

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/46552

Fegan was behind the Dwightmare. He knows how to manipulate teams with rumors through the media, etc.

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Fegan also has an adversarial relationship with Kings executive Geoff Petrie. So this is all looking great for Kings fans. And by great I mean terrible.

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The Kings are facing a devastating situation developing. They're reaching the point where they can't justify keeping Cousins with his attitude. But they have no leverage now and won't be able to get a package of value back in return. And this isn't just a good player, it's a potential All-Star. They can't keep him, they can't trade him and get good return. They can only lose.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/eye-on-basketball/21455520/demarcus-cousins-will-not-play-vs-portland-as-a-bad-situation-stays-ugly

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I do think the Celtics are one of the teams that would be willing to pull the trigger on a Cousins deal. Danny Ainge has never been afraid of players like Cousins. They do have assets too: Jared Sullinger, Fab Melo, Avery Bradley are all players the Kings would have interest in. However, if the Kings do that deal, they take another step backward. Not sure if there's room anymore for the Kings to keep going backward. Pistons, Mavs and Heat are other teams with a lot of interest.

I think a package of AB, Melo, Sully, and future picks AND taking back a bad contract like Salmons could make sense for the Kings. I bet Bradley has more value around the NBA then Tyreke does.

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/46552
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: bfrombleacher on December 26, 2012, 11:23:51 PM
Via Chad Ford

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Tough call for the Kings. Cousins new agent will be pushing hard for a trade. They, along with the rest of the NBA, think the Kings ownership/management is dysfunctional and they want him out of there. The problem for the Kings is that Cousins is their best player, but given his frequent issues with coaches/teammates, teams aren't willing to give equal value back in return. In addition, I'm hearing that there's a split between the GM and ownership on what they want in return. Do they get back established players and try to win now or do they want more young prospects/draft picks? In other words, it's a giant mess ..

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/46552

Fegan was behind the Dwightmare. He knows how to manipulate teams with rumors through the media, etc.

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Fegan also has an adversarial relationship with Kings executive Geoff Petrie. So this is all looking great for Kings fans. And by great I mean terrible.

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The Kings are facing a devastating situation developing. They're reaching the point where they can't justify keeping Cousins with his attitude. But they have no leverage now and won't be able to get a package of value back in return. And this isn't just a good player, it's a potential All-Star. They can't keep him, they can't trade him and get good return. They can only lose.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/eye-on-basketball/21455520/demarcus-cousins-will-not-play-vs-portland-as-a-bad-situation-stays-ugly

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I do think the Celtics are one of the teams that would be willing to pull the trigger on a Cousins deal. Danny Ainge has never been afraid of players like Cousins. They do have assets too: Jared Sullinger, Fab Melo, Avery Bradley are all players the Kings would have interest in. However, if the Kings do that deal, they take another step backward. Not sure if there's room anymore for the Kings to keep going backward. Pistons, Mavs and Heat are other teams with a lot of interest.

I think a package of AB, Melo, Sully, and future picks AND taking back a bad contract like Salmons could make sense for the Kings. I bet Bradley has more value around the NBA then Tyreke does.

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/46552

HOLY COW this thing might actually happen hahaha

Both Tyreke and Cousins is great value.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: Kane3387 on December 26, 2012, 11:24:42 PM
Cousins makes $3,880,800.  That is a relatively cheap contract but actually makes it hard to match up salaries while giving them back something they are actually going to want.  So why don't we shoot the moon and try to get T. Evans too (about $5.2), accepting that we would need to take something else back that they want to get rid of (Outlaw at $3M).  So would you do:

Green + Bradley  (about $10M total)

for

Cousins + Evans + Outlaw (about $11M total)

What more would you be willing to throw in to make it work if we needed to sweeten?

I want no part of Salmons so if they want to dump him (which they probably do) I walk.

Lee, Green, AB, Sully, Melo and picks w/ cash

for

Salmons, Evans, and Cousins

Then consider signing Delonte West on a vet. min. deal.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: Lord of Mikawa on December 26, 2012, 11:28:05 PM
Did that report say the Heat are interested? DA make this happen NOW. I don't want Cousins playing for the Heat. By gawd that beyond scary.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: Chris on December 26, 2012, 11:31:22 PM
Just to throw more gasoline on the fire, Cousin's new agent Dan Fegan, is also the agent of Courtney Lee, Jason Terry, and Leandro Barbosa.

...and yes, I am baiting here. 
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: Vermont Green on December 26, 2012, 11:43:11 PM
Cousins makes $3,880,800.  That is a relatively cheap contract but actually makes it hard to match up salaries while giving them back something they are actually going to want.  So why don't we shoot the moon and try to get T. Evans too (about $5.2), accepting that we would need to take something else back that they want to get rid of (Outlaw at $3M).  So would you do:

Green + Bradley  (about $10M total)

for

Cousins + Evans + Outlaw (about $11M total)

What more would you be willing to throw in to make it work if we needed to sweeten?

I want no part of Salmons so if they want to dump him (which they probably do) I walk.

Lee, Green, AB, Sully, Melo and picks w/ cash

for

Salmons, Evans, and Cousins

Then consider signing Delonte West on a vet. min. deal.

For me, that is too much and I don't want Salmons.  You would be trading 3 current rotation players, a 4th that will be, and a prospect that just had 14 blocks in the D league.  Too much turnover for me.  I walk away from that deal.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: Kane3387 on December 26, 2012, 11:45:40 PM
The Kings are getting killed by Portland. They're a mess and look awful. All they do is get beat on Defense and blame one another when it happens. A lot of finger pointing out there.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: Chris on December 26, 2012, 11:47:19 PM
The Kings are getting killed by Portland. They're a mess and look awful. All they do is get beat on Defense and blame one another when it happens. A lot of finger pointing out there.

I wonder who is there longer, Cousins, Petrie, or Smart?  Maybe they could all be sent out together.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: Kane3387 on December 26, 2012, 11:52:34 PM
The Kings are getting killed by Portland. They're a mess and look awful. All they do is get beat on Defense and blame one another when it happens. A lot of finger pointing out there.

I wonder who is there longer, Cousins, Petrie, or Smart?  Maybe they could all be sent out together.

As long as Cousins is trekking up to Boston I don't care.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: SHAQATTACK on December 26, 2012, 11:59:40 PM
Kings owners suck,GM has put no mature players on the squad the coaching is suspect at best, too many young players , no locker room leaders,  the whole franchise is a lost ball in high weeds.

It is a disfuctional situation for young hard-headed players to mature in.

Hope he can find the right place.



 
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: bfrombleacher on December 27, 2012, 12:03:49 AM
Did that report say the Heat are interested? DA make this happen NOW. I don't want Cousins playing for the Heat. By gawd that beyond scary.

What are they gonna give the Kings?

Chris Bosh?

Wade?

lol
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: Chris on December 27, 2012, 12:07:27 AM
Kings owners suck,GM has put no mature players on the squad the coaching is suspect at best, too many young players , no locker room leaders,  the whole franchise is a lost ball in high weeds.

It is a disfuctional situation for young hard-headed players to mature in.

Hope he can find the right place.



 

The thing is, they have the same ownership and GM as they had when they were perennial contenders. 

While there may be some extenuating circumstances (such as the Maloofs business tanking), this team should still be a reminder to anyone who wants the C's to "get bad to get good".  A lot of times, this is what happens when you play the lottery.  It starts a cycle that is hard to stop. 
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: Lord of Mikawa on December 27, 2012, 12:13:48 AM
Did that report say the Heat are interested? DA make this happen NOW. I don't want Cousins playing for the Heat. By gawd that beyond scary.

What are they gonna give the Kings?

Chris Bosh?

Wade?

lol
They can move any of those cheap veteran guys plus Chalmers.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: indeedproceed on December 27, 2012, 12:30:16 AM
Kings owners suck,GM has put no mature players on the squad the coaching is suspect at best, too many young players , no locker room leaders,  the whole franchise is a lost ball in high weeds.

It is a disfuctional situation for young hard-headed players to mature in.

Hope he can find the right place.
 

Truth. Completely derailed Evans career, on the way to ruining cousins. The kings have done less with more than any other franchise.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: Kane3387 on December 27, 2012, 12:36:00 AM
Did that report say the Heat are interested? DA make this happen NOW. I don't want Cousins playing for the Heat. By gawd that beyond scary.

What are they gonna give the Kings?

Chris Bosh?

Wade?

lol
They can move any of those cheap veteran guys plus Chalmers.

So Chalmers for Cousins basically?...
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: Lord of Mikawa on December 27, 2012, 12:38:15 AM
Did that report say the Heat are interested? DA make this happen NOW. I don't want Cousins playing for the Heat. By gawd that beyond scary.

What are they gonna give the Kings?

Chris Bosh?

Wade?

lol
They can move any of those cheap veteran guys plus Chalmers.

So Chalmers for Cousins basically?...
We've seen worse in this league.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: nostar on December 27, 2012, 12:53:18 AM
Cousins makes $3,880,800.  That is a relatively cheap contract but actually makes it hard to match up salaries while giving them back something they are actually going to want.  So why don't we shoot the moon and try to get T. Evans too (about $5.2), accepting that we would need to take something else back that they want to get rid of (Outlaw at $3M).  So would you do:

Green + Bradley  (about $10M total)

for

Cousins + Evans + Outlaw (about $11M total)

What more would you be willing to throw in to make it work if we needed to sweeten?

I want no part of Salmons so if they want to dump him (which they probably do) I walk.

Lee, Green, AB, Sully, Melo and picks w/ cash

for

Salmons, Evans, and Cousins

Then consider signing Delonte West on a vet. min. deal.

I highly doubt the Kings ship both Evans and Cousins out. The more likely road is that they shop Evans and try to salvage Cousins. If they want to move them both I try this:

Cousins/Evans/Fredette
for
Bass/Bradley/Sully/Melo and two 1sts.

Also I have no problem with Salmons as a backup SF and would love to take on his contract rather that trade AB. Maybe this:

Green/Sully and two 1sts
for
Cousins/Salmons
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: indeedproceed on December 27, 2012, 12:53:38 AM
The kings have got to burn the Withering crop here and hope something significant sprouts in next years draft. Get picks/value for Cousins/Evans, fire Petrie, clean house, start anew. The other choice, mediocrity, or watching your grapes wither on the vine, should theoretically both be unacceptable.

The Rockets are still the best option, followed by the other dregs of the league.

But it sounds like they're not buying cousins or Reke. Avery Bradley, Fab Melo, Jeff Green, Sullinger, picks probably isn't the worst offer on the table, but I doubt it's the best.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: JHTruth on December 27, 2012, 01:12:23 AM
Original deal is about all I've give for a loser like Cousins. Complete headcase (was before he went to Sac). He'll only "get it" after he bounces around to 2 or 3 more teams a la Zach Randolph. I suppose he's worth a shot on a team going nowhere but let's not act like he's a slam dunk
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: Yogi on December 27, 2012, 01:26:19 AM
How about just a simple trade for Cousins?

Boston sends Brandon Bass, Fab Melo, 2013 and 2015 firsts, and our two second round picks on 2014. 

Sacramento gets rid of a headache in Cousins, gets a legit 7ft prospect to pair with Thomas Robinson, gets an established veteran with deep playoff experience with no bad history who can step in and fill Cousin's minutes, and multiple assets to make a bigger move in the future.  They can also get rid of Travis Outlaw or other unwanted contracts to match salaries as well. 
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: indeedproceed on December 27, 2012, 01:31:29 AM
How about just a simple trade for Cousins?

Boston sends Brandon Bass, Fab Melo, 2013 and 2015 firsts, and our two second round picks on 2014. 

Sacramento gets rid of a headache in Cousins, gets a legit 7ft prospect to pair with Thomas Robinson, gets an established veteran with deep playoff experience with no bad history who can step in and fill Cousin's minutes, and multiple assets to make a bigger move in the future.  They can also get rid of Travis Outlaw or other unwanted contracts to match salaries as well.

That is, to say the least, a best case scenario.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: Kane3387 on December 27, 2012, 01:35:04 AM
Cousins really should be allowed to be a Celtic. It's only fair.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: indeedproceed on December 27, 2012, 01:50:27 AM
Cousins really should be allowed to be a Celtic. It's only fair.

TP for getting lost in the daydream. I know the symptoms, Kane. You're smitten.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: SHAQATTACK on December 27, 2012, 01:59:39 AM
Cousins new agent I think would rather see a potiental all star client go to a team that could/would most likey start a new page in his life for this young man. It would very easy to land him back in a simular situation.  This course would be most profitable for the agent to have another young sucessful star in his pocket. If he leaves I think he will be led in this direction., maybe not to the highest bidder...making a good citizen of Cousins would be the most profitable deal in the long run.

I do think Boston is one of maybe five teams/organizations truely equipped make a trade and turn his career around at the same time .
 
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: Kane3387 on December 27, 2012, 02:01:35 AM
Cousins really should be allowed to be a Celtic. It's only fair.

TP for getting lost in the daydream. I know the symptoms, Kane. You're smitten.

TP.

The thought of him with Garnett and Rondo does it for me. Just so much nasty.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: slamtheking on December 27, 2012, 08:23:00 AM
How about just a simple trade for Cousins?

Boston sends Brandon Bass, Fab Melo, 2013 and 2015 firsts, and our two second round picks on 2014. 

Sacramento gets rid of a headache in Cousins, gets a legit 7ft prospect to pair with Thomas Robinson, gets an established veteran with deep playoff experience with no bad history who can step in and fill Cousin's minutes, and multiple assets to make a bigger move in the future.  They can also get rid of Travis Outlaw or other unwanted contracts to match salaries as well.

That is, to say the least, a best case scenario.
Based on this kid's attitude, this is about as much as I'd risk to acquire him.  I'm really reluctant to ship out high-character guys like Sully and AB that have shown signs of being good players for this knucklehead that would be nothing more than a big gamble he gets his head out of his butt to turn into a solid, reliable player.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: Kuberski1 on December 27, 2012, 10:25:27 AM
I'm starting to wonder if this thing really has any legs?  A few days again I thought the chances were zilch to none, but perhaps the odds have improved, ever slightly?   I think this is one of those deals you have to do, provided we keep Rondo...and ideally one of Bradley/Sully (having my cake and eating it too....).   
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: Fafnir on December 27, 2012, 10:37:00 AM
I'm starting to wonder if this thing really has any legs?  A few days again I thought the chances were zilch to none, but perhaps the odds have improved, ever slightly?   I think this is one of those deals you have to do, provided we keep Rondo...and ideally one of Bradley/Sully (having my cake and eating it too....).
Given that the Kings are in such disarray in the front office I doubt any rumored deal involved with them has legs.

I think there is a chance Cousins gets moved later in the year if the issues continued, but not right now. And if he does get moved I still think the C's offer would be far from the best one.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: eugen on December 27, 2012, 10:53:18 AM
I don't know how true this is, hence, I am sharing it as a rumor:

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=503801102975921&id=453191818036850

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BREAKING TRADE NEWS: The kings and the celtics are close to a deal that would send Jared Sullinger, Courtney Lee, Brandon Bass, and draft picks for DeMarcus Cousins and other players (Isaiah Thomas is a possibility). Tyreke Evans could be involved. -Bass30

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My source is incarcerated bob on twitter. He is a reliable source. -Bass30

Celtics receive:
DeMarcus Cousins
Tyreke Evans/Isaiah Thomas

Kings receive:
Jared Sullinger
Courtney Lee
Brandon Bass
Draft Picks

Again, this is unconfirmed, hence I am posting this as a rumor.

Can happen if GM of Kings will became mentaly ill
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: RyNye on December 27, 2012, 11:00:04 AM
The Kings have been better this season with Cousins off the court.

http://82games.com/1213/1213SAC.HTM

Yet people are still excited at the possibility of getting him? When will people realize he is a cancer and isn't actually all that good?

Best case scenario from Cousins is that he becomes Andrey Blatche. That is, a terrible player on a terrible team transforming into a pretty good backup on a better team by reforming his game mentally.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: jdub1660 on December 27, 2012, 11:00:31 AM
We have to take on a bad contract with Cousins.
Isiah and Tyreke are going nowhere in these trade scenarios.

Cousins and Salmons
Sully, Melo, Bass and picks
Or
Green, Melo and picks
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: MBunge on December 27, 2012, 11:08:48 AM
The Kings have been better this season with Cousins off the court.

http://82games.com/1213/1213SAC.HTM

Yet people are still excited at the possibility of getting him? When will people realize he is a cancer and isn't actually all that good?

The warning sign with Cousins is that he's had a very low shooting percentage for a big guy.  On the other hand, he's 22 years old, 6'11' and 270, has averaged over 9 boards a game in his career and is a decent free-throw shooter.

Frankly, I'm less concerned about Cousins being a headcase and more worried that he couldn't handle Boston's labyrinthine defense.  But imagining Perk with better offense and athleticism alongside KG is hard to resist.

Mike
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: Fafnir on December 27, 2012, 11:20:44 AM
The Kings have been better this season with Cousins off the court.

http://82games.com/1213/1213SAC.HTM

Yet people are still excited at the possibility of getting him? When will people realize he is a cancer and isn't actually all that good?

The warning sign with Cousins is that he's had a very low shooting percentage for a big guy.  On the other hand, he's 22 years old, 6'11' and 270, has averaged over 9 boards a game in his career and is a decent free-throw shooter.

Frankly, I'm less concerned about Cousins being a headcase and more worried that he couldn't handle Boston's labyrinthine defense.  But imagining Perk with better offense and athleticism alongside KG is hard to resist.

Mike
Its all the long jump shots he takes, 60% of his attempts are jumpers and he only makes 33% of them.

Basically he's playing like Glen Davis offensively with very similar shot selection and shooting percentages.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: MBunge on December 27, 2012, 11:27:11 AM
Basically he's playing like Glen Davis

That's enough to scare me off any player.

Mike
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: Fafnir on December 27, 2012, 11:28:47 AM
Basically he's playing like Glen Davis

That's enough to scare me off any player.

Mike
True enough, but Cousins is a far superior rebounder and has the length to be an asset defensively instead of a charge taking liability to overall team defense.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: action781 on December 27, 2012, 11:54:39 AM
The Kings have been better this season with Cousins off the court.

http://82games.com/1213/1213SAC.HTM

Yet people are still excited at the possibility of getting him? When will people realize he is a cancer and isn't actually all that good?

The warning sign with Cousins is that he's had a very low shooting percentage for a big guy.  On the other hand, he's 22 years old, 6'11' and 270, has averaged over 9 boards a game in his career and is a decent free-throw shooter.

Frankly, I'm less concerned about Cousins being a headcase and more worried that he couldn't handle Boston's labyrinthine defense.  But imagining Perk with better offense and athleticism alongside KG is hard to resist.

Mike

That's the thing - his potential is just so hard to resist.  If he busts, well he busts.  Lots of players bust.  But if he fulfills this potential, then wow.  He could become a type of player that is incredibly hard to get your hands on and could fit in particularly well to this defensive system.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: Brendan on December 27, 2012, 12:13:38 PM
Seems like any Center has his shooting percentage go up playing here. A starting 5 of Cousins, KG, Pierce, AB/Lee, Rondo with AB/Lee taking over Ray's roll and Cuz taking over Perk's role might be the thing to push his % way up.

I'd be worried about Cousins and Sully on the floor at the same time though.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: RJ87 on December 27, 2012, 01:02:32 PM
The thing that intrigues me about about Cousins, other than his skillset, is that his issues can be contained enough for him to contribute to a team focused on winning. I mean, he had his issues at UK, but I believe there was more structure there than in current state of the Kings and its showed in his play.

As nice as it would be to have perfect character guys, that's not the reality of this league. Some of the more talented guys are jerks, but in the right system with the right coaching staff and teammates, they can focus enough to be valuable on the floor. Look at Andrew Bynum under Phil Jackson with the Lakers - Andrew is pretty immature and would do head scratching things, but he was a key piece in their 2nd championship run. Zach Randolph and Memphis - had a history of immaturity, but his found his niche with the Grizzlies.

I honestly just think DMC is too young and too talented to pass up on if the opportunity presents itself.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: OsirusCeltics on December 27, 2012, 01:42:56 PM
I can kinda understand why wouldn't be too crazy for Sac to trade cousins for the Celtics' average players they offered


It reminds me of Charles Barkley when we wanted to be traded off the Sixers (not comparing Cousins to Barkley)

The Sixers got average players in return for Barkley. Like they wanted to dump Barkley regardless of who they traded for. Seems like Sac is dead tired of Cousins' attitude

But... would love if he comes on the Celtics though
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: bdm860 on December 27, 2012, 02:25:06 PM
I can kinda understand why wouldn't be too crazy for Sac to trade cousins for the Celtics' average players they offered


It reminds me of Charles Barkley when we wanted to be traded off the Sixers (not comparing Cousins to Barkley)

The Sixers got average players in return for Barkley. Like they wanted to dump Barkley regardless of who they traded for. Seems like Sac is dead tired of Cousins' attitude

But... would love if he comes on the Celtics though

To be fair, Jeff Hornacek was a current All-Star, who had just averaged 20/5/5/2, shooting 51/44/89, on a 53 win, 2nd round playoff team. Not really an "average" player.

I think the Barkley trade is more comparable to the Dwight Howard/Brook Lopez talks, or the Deron Williams/Devin Harris trade.  Superstar for borderline All-Star.

Beasley from Miami to Minny for just a 2nd round pick is probably more comparable, but even that that was just a salary dump to be able to sign LeBron and Bosh.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: LooseCannon on December 27, 2012, 02:28:11 PM
I just have this feeling that Cousins on the Celtics would be a combination of obvious talent and a source of frustration over inability to maximize that talent, like a center version of Antoine Walker.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: SHAQATTACK on December 27, 2012, 02:32:29 PM
I don't see a trade that wouldn't include Sully.  , from both sides perspective.

Its who else that is included is what concerns me.  I think DA is reluctant to let Bradley/Rondo combo go period...we need them for the HEAT games . 

I thinking KIngs will pull a Orlando Magic yet once again,  chicken out and they just don't have the nads to trade him.   They will put up with his issues until the dam breaks and there is no way to save him or the franchise from a major hit-disaster.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: get_banners on December 27, 2012, 02:40:47 PM
i just don't see us getting him. the kings would almost certainly want both bradley and sullinger, and even though that's a no-brainer in the talent department, given cousins' issues, i think danny would be wise to resist that trade. it'd be one thing if the kid didn't have all these character concerns. granted, he wouldn't be available. but...those are always something to be wary of. i mean, if bass, lee, and picks get it done, by all means, don't let them finish the sentence. but...only the lakers get to give up garbage for a top big man (though, yes, marc gasol turned out to be quite good, and it wasn't clear bynum's knees were toast when they traded for bad-back-no-heart howard).
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: slamtheking on December 27, 2012, 03:46:29 PM
I just have this feeling that Cousins on the Celtics would be a combination of obvious talent and a source of frustration over inability to maximize that talent, like a center version of Antoine Walker.
If only he had that fire that Antoine had for winning and standing up to be the face of the franchise in good times and bad.  Antoine had that fire to inspire that major comeback against the Nets in the playoffs -- I doubt Cousins has anything close to that.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: Kane3387 on December 27, 2012, 03:56:52 PM
Cousins needs to be on a team where he isn't asked to lead. He's too young and immature for that kind of expectation and pressure.

With us he can just focus on playing and contributing. I think a veteran locker room would do him well.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: LooseCannon on December 27, 2012, 05:51:50 PM
One thing that might make me warm up to Cousins is if he is willing to act as in enforcer.  For example, if the Celtics acquire him, will he step up and retaliate if Dirty D-Wade tries to do something to Rondo again?
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: hpantazo on December 27, 2012, 05:55:24 PM
One thing that might make me warm up to Cousins is if he is willing to act as in enforcer.  For example, if the Celtics acquire him, will he step up and retaliate if Dirty D-Wade tries to do something to Rondo again?

I think he would act as an enforcer even when there is no situation to do so , LOL. He might pick a fight with Tommy and Mike though, or Scal, that would be great!
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: Who on December 27, 2012, 06:01:40 PM
Cousins shouldn't be an enforcer. He is too important to get stuck on the bench in foul trouble. He is a star talent. Not a role player.

You bring in guys around him who can be enforcers to protect him. Not the other way around.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: Kane3387 on December 27, 2012, 06:03:14 PM
Cousins shouldn't be an enforcer. He is too important to get stuck on the bench in foul trouble. He is a star talent. Not a role player.

You bring in guys around him who can be enforcers to protect him. Not the other way around.

Agreed. Too much talent to be like that. We need him to be more of an anchor then an enforcer.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: hpantazo on December 27, 2012, 06:07:31 PM
Cousins shouldn't be an enforcer. He is too important to get stuck on the bench in foul trouble. He is a star talent. Not a role player.

You bring in guys around him who can be enforcers to protect him. Not the other way around.

Agreed. Too much talent to be like that. We need him to be more of an anchor then an enforcer.

I agree, although I could still see him threatening Scal after a game.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: LooseCannon on December 27, 2012, 07:27:21 PM
Well, maybe not enforcer, but I'd like for the Celtics to have a big who can learn to be a KG-level instigator.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: TripleOT on December 27, 2012, 08:16:12 PM
I just have this feeling that Cousins on the Celtics would be a combination of obvious talent and a source of frustration over inability to maximize that talent, like a center version of Antoine Walker.
If only he had that fire that Antoine had for winning and standing up to be the face of the franchise in good times and bad.  Antoine had that fire to inspire that major comeback against the Nets in the playoffs -- I doubt Cousins has anything close to that.

Thank you for that post.  In hindsight, Walker got a lot done despite not having a ton of athletic gifts.  Cousins has prototypical size and good athletic ability, but hasn't done a [dang] thing in his entire basketball career.   

If Cousins haw Walker's attitude, he'd be a 22 and 12 guy looking for his second all star appearance by now. 

Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: Fafnir on December 27, 2012, 08:30:28 PM
I just have this feeling that Cousins on the Celtics would be a combination of obvious talent and a source of frustration over inability to maximize that talent, like a center version of Antoine Walker.
If only he had that fire that Antoine had for winning and standing up to be the face of the franchise in good times and bad.  Antoine had that fire to inspire that major comeback against the Nets in the playoffs -- I doubt Cousins has anything close to that.

Thank you for that post.  In hindsight, Walker got a lot done despite not having a ton of athletic gifts.  Cousins has prototypical size and good athletic ability, but hasn't done a [dang] thing in his entire basketball career.   

If Cousins haw Walker's attitude, he'd be a 22 and 12 guy looking for his second all star appearance by now.
Walker had a lot of athletic gifts, and awful shot selection, an aversion to the paint, and was constantly overweight for much of his career.

Cousins might be a tougher in game competitor if he had Walker's attitude, but  lets not go nuts.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: Eddie20 on December 27, 2012, 08:59:28 PM
I just have this feeling that Cousins on the Celtics would be a combination of obvious talent and a source of frustration over inability to maximize that talent, like a center version of Antoine Walker.
If only he had that fire that Antoine had for winning and standing up to be the face of the franchise in good times and bad.  Antoine had that fire to inspire that major comeback against the Nets in the playoffs -- I doubt Cousins has anything close to that.

Thank you for that post.  In hindsight, Walker got a lot done despite not having a ton of athletic gifts.  Cousins has prototypical size and good athletic ability, but hasn't done a [dang] thing in his entire basketball career.   

If Cousins haw Walker's attitude, he'd be a 22 and 12 guy looking for his second all star appearance by now.

To be fair, he's only 22 and ended up in Sacramento. Not many players would do much in their 2 1/4 years in Sacto.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: Boris Badenov on December 27, 2012, 09:00:18 PM
Well, maybe not enforcer, but I'd like for the Celtics to have a big who can learn to be a KG-level instigator.

Cousins is an instigator alright, although someone might want to advise him that instigating is more effective when employed against players and the coach on the other team, as opposed to your own.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: CelticHooligan3 on December 28, 2012, 08:49:07 AM
Just wanted to see if anyone else heard Webber mention the Cousins to Boston rumors last night. It was late and the game was gettig out of hand but that was a small bright point.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: celty86 on December 28, 2012, 09:04:17 AM
I heard Webber talking about it. They were just throwing names out there. Mentioned Gortat's name also.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: bfrombleacher on December 28, 2012, 09:06:24 AM
I heard Webber talking about it. They were just throwing names out there. Mentioned Gortat's name also.

Yes.

But the fact that he mentioned DeMarcus's name first is curious... wishful thinking  ;D
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: kozlodoev on December 28, 2012, 09:29:41 AM
Just wanted to see if anone else heard Webber mention the Cousins t Boston rumors last night. It was late and the game was gettig out of hand but that was a small bright point.
I didn't pay attention to those clowns enough. Their incompetence and brainless grovelling is usually way too annoying. In any case, I don't think they would have a clue.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: Fred Roberts on December 28, 2012, 11:26:06 AM
Yes, and Webber also talked about how he and Reggie needed to suit up for Boston to go help them rebound.

I'd give Webber a contract to box out and clean up the paint right now. It can't be worse than what we're currently doing. I bet his bad knee feels better too!
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: indeedproceed on December 28, 2012, 11:29:45 AM
I heard Webber talking about it. They were just throwing names out there. Mentioned Gortat's name also.

Yes.

But the fact that he mentioned DeMarcus's name first is curious... wishful thinking  ;D

I lol'd at this. 'Curious', like Webber is a proxy for act 1 foreshadowing.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: SHAQATTACK on December 28, 2012, 11:37:48 AM
Danny only has maybe ONE SHOT or Bullet at getting a impact 4/5 player to the Celtics.  Face it we don't have the assets but for ONE super trade.

I'm not sure I'd want to risk what precious assets I do have on Gortat. 

If Danny risks trades of Sully, AB , and Green , he needs to make it REALLY REALLY count. He's gotta be a homerun .

KG needs "REAL" help , not a sorta patch.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: lightspeed5 on December 29, 2012, 03:34:52 AM
Marc Stein is confirming the interest.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: j804 on December 29, 2012, 03:38:56 AM
Danny only has maybe ONE SHOT or Bullet at getting a impact 4/5 player to the Celtics.  Face it we don't have the assets but for ONE super trade.

I'm not sure I'd want to risk what precious assets I do have on Gortat. 

If Danny risks trades of Sully, AB , and Green , he needs to make it REALLY REALLY count. He's gotta be a homerun .

KG needs "REAL" help , not a sorta patch.
So what are you saying do it for those guys you mentioned if for Cousins?
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: KG Living Legend on December 29, 2012, 04:06:30 AM
 OK this is my last offer Sac town. Wow can't believe I'm doing this. A first rounder. My favorite draft pick of all time Avery Bradley. Fabulous Melo and his teammate K Joseph. Wow y this headcase better straighten out or your killing me here buddy.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: Mr Green on December 29, 2012, 05:40:07 AM
I'm looking forward to reading everyone's opinions of DMC after the Cs see him up close and personal on Sunday.
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Post by: j804 on December 29, 2012, 05:46:53 AM
I'm looking forward to reading everyone's opinions of DMC after the Cs see him up close and personal on Sunday.
Danny will probably be at near courtside
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: Mr Green on December 31, 2012, 12:04:01 AM
The Kings beat the Cs 118 to 96 and DMC registered his first ever triple double [12 points, 10 rebounds and 10 assists] in 31 minutes of play. He shot 4/12 and made all four of his free throws.

So... has anyone's opinion changed regarding DMC possibly playing for the Cs after watching today's game?

Personally, I would still welcome him with open arms.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: SHAQATTACK on December 31, 2012, 12:16:22 AM
Danny only has maybe ONE SHOT or Bullet at getting a impact 4/5 player to the Celtics.  Face it we don't have the assets but for ONE super trade.

I'm not sure I'd want to risk what precious assets I do have on Gortat. 

If Danny risks trades of Sully, AB , and Green , he needs to make it REALLY REALLY count. He's gotta be a homerun .

KG needs "REAL" help , not a sorta patch.
So what are you saying do it for those guys you mentioned if for Cousins?


Yep.....I think if the KINGs will bite, you give em , some combo of Sully, Green , AB , or Rondo...for Cousins and START rebuilding....lese it will be a LONG TIME before another top 5 lottery pick is available to the Celtics.

A Big of Cousins caliber is more desirable in general,than Rondo .  If ROndo is what it takes DO IT>

Otherwords...no matter how it busts the team up THIS YEAR, get Cousin if you possibly can..... and start rebuilding from there.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: pp34isthe1 on December 31, 2012, 12:30:50 AM
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Today KSR has spoken with a source close to Demarcus Cousins both that confirms trade talks are ongoing and Cousins is hoping a deal will be worked out soon. According to the source, the four teams that are most likely to end up making such a deal for cousins are Boston, Dallas, Orlando and Charlotte. The USA Today story reported that Detroit, Houston and Washington are also potential destinations, but the source tells KSR that Cousins has been told those are all unlikely for a variety of reasons.


http://kentuckysportsradio.com/?p=124458

Get it done Danny!!!!!
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: Atzar on December 31, 2012, 12:31:45 AM
Danny only has maybe ONE SHOT or Bullet at getting a impact 4/5 player to the Celtics.  Face it we don't have the assets but for ONE super trade.

I'm not sure I'd want to risk what precious assets I do have on Gortat. 

If Danny risks trades of Sully, AB , and Green , he needs to make it REALLY REALLY count. He's gotta be a homerun .

KG needs "REAL" help , not a sorta patch.
So what are you saying do it for those guys you mentioned if for Cousins?


Yep.....I think if the KINGs will bite, you give em , some combo of Sully, Green , AB , or Rondo...for Cousins and START rebuilding....lese it will be a LONG TIME before another top 5 lottery pick is available to the Celtics.

A Big of Cousins caliber is more desirable in general,than Rondo .  If ROndo is what it takes DO IT>

Otherwords...no matter how it busts the team up THIS YEAR, get Cousin if you possibly can..... and start rebuilding from there.

Haha... Cousins is good, but he's not that good.

I don't trade Rondo unless I get an absolute can't-miss guy back.  Cousins is a very good player, but he's also a big risk.  He could get in a fight with the wrong person behind the scenes and be off the team at the drop of a pin.  I'd move anybody else (although I'd hesitate to give up Bradley), but Rondo is untouchable in any Cousins trade.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: Rtpas11 on December 31, 2012, 12:35:36 AM
I don't care much for Rondo, but I'll never trade his value for Cousins. Anyhow after 2nites blowout it definitely hurt the chances of trying to land Cousins.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: j804 on December 31, 2012, 12:39:40 AM
Danny only has maybe ONE SHOT or Bullet at getting a impact 4/5 player to the Celtics.  Face it we don't have the assets but for ONE super trade.

I'm not sure I'd want to risk what precious assets I do have on Gortat. 

If Danny risks trades of Sully, AB , and Green , he needs to make it REALLY REALLY count. He's gotta be a homerun .

KG needs "REAL" help , not a sorta patch.
So what are you saying do it for those guys you mentioned if for Cousins?


Yep.....I think if the KINGs will bite, you give em , some combo of Sully, Green , AB , or Rondo...for Cousins and START rebuilding....lese it will be a LONG TIME before another top 5 lottery pick is available to the Celtics.

A Big of Cousins caliber is more desirable in general,than Rondo .  If ROndo is what it takes DO IT>

Otherwords...no matter how it busts the team up THIS YEAR, get Cousin if you possibly can..... and start rebuilding from there.
you went overboard when you included Rondo in there rofl
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: Change on December 31, 2012, 12:55:48 AM
You can kiss cousins to Celtics trades goodbye. Cousins dropped triple double on the Celtics. And any trade scenario involving Rondo to the kings forget about them too. Rondo played like hot garbage. His value is plummeting along with Celtics season.
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Post by: Accension13 on December 31, 2012, 12:59:43 AM
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Today KSR has spoken with a source close to Demarcus Cousins both that confirms trade talks are ongoing and Cousins is hoping a deal will be worked out soon. According to the source, the four teams that are most likely to end up making such a deal for cousins are Boston, Dallas, Orlando and Charlotte. The USA Today story reported that Detroit, Houston and Washington are also potential destinations, but the source tells KSR that Cousins has been told those are all unlikely for a variety of reasons.


http://kentuckysportsradio.com/?p=124458

Get it done Danny!!!!!
Its encouraging that most reports from sources list the c's as being either the favorites to land cousins or at the very least having reached out to the kings to make something happen. Something needs to be done immediately. jason Collins is beyond terrible.  Darko could not have been worse than this guy.  Kg needs help down low,  and pierce cannot carrythe team every night.  Cousins is potentially the closest thing to a quick fix tthec's can realistically hope to get
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: Atzar on December 31, 2012, 01:29:50 AM
You can kiss cousins to Celtics trades goodbye. Cousins dropped triple double on the Celtics. And any trade scenario involving Rondo to the kings forget about them too. Rondo played like hot garbage. His value is plummeting along with Celtics season.

Rondo was also clearly hurt.  He's been statistically the second-best PG in the league this year, only behind CP3.

And how does Cousins recording a triple double mean we can't get him?  You are aware that GM's look at more than one game when making decisions, right?
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Post by: j804 on December 31, 2012, 01:37:35 AM
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Today KSR has spoken with a source close to Demarcus Cousins both that confirms trade talks are ongoing and Cousins is hoping a deal will be worked out soon. According to the source, the four teams that are most likely to end up making such a deal for cousins are Boston, Dallas, Orlando and Charlotte. The USA Today story reported that Detroit, Houston and Washington are also potential destinations, but the source tells KSR that Cousins has been told those are all unlikely for a variety of reasons.


http://kentuckysportsradio.com/?p=124458

Get it done Danny!!!!!
Its encouraging that most reports from sources list the c's as being either the favorites to land cousins or at the very least having reached out to the kings to make something happen. Something needs to be done immediately. jason Collins is beyond terrible.  Darko could not have been worse than this guy.  Kg needs help down low,  and pierce cannot carrythe team every night.  Cousins is potentially the closest thing to a quick fix tthec's can realistically hope to get
Who would they want though? Green, Bradley and maybe Sully? I don't think any GM is jumping to pick up Lee or Bass given how bad they been. I don't know how salaries work or any of that it seems like we got no shot though and other teams would have better offers if he were to be traded.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: Atzar on December 31, 2012, 01:38:54 AM
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Today KSR has spoken with a source close to Demarcus Cousins both that confirms trade talks are ongoing and Cousins is hoping a deal will be worked out soon. According to the source, the four teams that are most likely to end up making such a deal for cousins are Boston, Dallas, Orlando and Charlotte. The USA Today story reported that Detroit, Houston and Washington are also potential destinations, but the source tells KSR that Cousins has been told those are all unlikely for a variety of reasons.


http://kentuckysportsradio.com/?p=124458

Get it done Danny!!!!!
Its encouraging that most reports from sources list the c's as being either the favorites to land cousins or at the very least having reached out to the kings to make something happen. Something needs to be done immediately. jason Collins is beyond terrible.  Darko could not have been worse than this guy.  Kg needs help down low,  and pierce cannot carrythe team every night.  Cousins is potentially the closest thing to a quick fix tthec's can realistically hope to get
Who would they want though? Green, Bradley and maybe Sully? I don't think any GM is jumping to pick up Lee or Bass given how bad they been

Agree with you on Bass.  Lee is getting a bad rap based on a bad month to start the season, though.  He's been much better lately.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: Change on December 31, 2012, 01:40:00 AM
You can kiss cousins to Celtics trades goodbye. Cousins dropped triple double on the Celtics. And any trade scenario involving Rondo to the kings forget about them too. Rondo played like hot garbage. His value is plummeting along with Celtics season.

Rondo was also clearly hurt.  He's been statistically the second-best PG in the league this year, only behind CP3.

And how does Cousins recording a triple double mean we can't get him?  You are aware that GM's look at more than one game when making decisions, right?

I'm aware of that. But teams have one chance to see the player in person. Rondo didn't leave a good impression.

Cousins is beast. A triple double adds to his value a top 3 center right now. Kings can opt to keep him as top3 center are hard to find.
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: Accension13 on December 31, 2012, 02:25:40 AM
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Today KSR has spoken with a source close to Demarcus Cousins both that confirms trade talks are ongoing and Cousins is hoping a deal will be worked out soon. According to the source, the four teams that are most likely to end up making such a deal for cousins are Boston, Dallas, Orlando and Charlotte. The USA Today story reported that Detroit, Houston and Washington are also potential destinations, but the source tells KSR that Cousins has been told those are all unlikely for a variety of reasons.


http://kentuckysportsradio.com/?p=124458

Get it done Danny!!!!!
Its encouraging that most reports from sources list the c's as being either the favorites to land cousins or at the very least having reached out to the kings to make something happen. Something needs to be done immediately. jason Collins is beyond terrible.  Darko could not have been worse than this guy.  Kg needs help down low,  and pierce cannot carrythe team every night.  Cousins is potentially the closest thing to a quick fix tthec's can realistically hope to get
Who would they want though? Green, Bradley and maybe Sully? I don't think any GM is jumping to pick up Lee or Bass given how bad they been. I don't know how salaries work or any of that it seems like we got no shot though and other teams would have better offers if he were to be traded.

I agree... none of the teams tradable assets are that exciting when u consider cousins talent.  To get him a team will have to come up with a very solid offer. I would consider Bradley, sully, melo, and green to be the minimum requirement for the c's offer to be even considered
Title: Re: WEAK RUMOR: Cousins to Boston Almost Done (FB / Twitter sources)
Post by: Atzar on December 31, 2012, 02:51:03 AM
You can kiss cousins to Celtics trades goodbye. Cousins dropped triple double on the Celtics. And any trade scenario involving Rondo to the kings forget about them too. Rondo played like hot garbage. His value is plummeting along with Celtics season.

Rondo was also clearly hurt.  He's been statistically the second-best PG in the league this year, only behind CP3.

And how does Cousins recording a triple double mean we can't get him?  You are aware that GM's look at more than one game when making decisions, right?

I'm aware of that. But teams have one chance to see the player in person. Rondo didn't leave a good impression.

Cousins is beast. A triple double adds to his value a top 3 center right now. Kings can opt to keep him as top3 center are hard to find.

I maintain that Rondo's poor game and Cousins' good game (in which he still only shot 4-12) have no effect on their trade value.  It's one thing if these games were part of a trend.  But again, Rondo's been the second-best PG in the league this year, and Cousins' triple-double is a clear statistical outlier.

Also, he's averaging 16.5/9.5 while shooting 41% and playing mediocre defense.  He has a lot of potential, but he's not really all that close to a top 3 center yet.