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Around the League => Transaction Ideas and Rumors => Topic started by: chambers on December 23, 2012, 01:08:54 AM
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So I've seen this on another board, someone who claims to have a small amount of 'insider knowledge'.
They weren't claiming that this was true, but it was suggested to them by their acquaintance (someone with very strong NBA front office connections.)
Again, I'm not suggesting anything that is suggested is true or possible, but this poster is credited by other veteran posters with being legitimate and definitely not a troll.
Original source/topic is here:
http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1220375&start=120
Background reasoning:
*Minny front office and Kahn are p---ed with Love. Wouldn't sign max extension and that's made Kahn furious. He's also mouthed off to Adrian Woj recently about playing for a crappy organization.
*Adelmen supposedly loves Jeff Green and Courtney Lee (coached Lee in Houston). Adelmen also feels that Green needs a different system to flourish.
*Adelmen wants Sullinger and feels he could replace Love. He's a strong rebounding big that can pass and fulfill the rebounding off the bench.
Anyway, I'm having a hard time believing that this could ever happen, but you must consider that it's hard to get anything in return for NBA All Stars when they are about to walk to another team. Orlando knows this, the Cavs know this. Look at what Orlando got for Howard...scraps and picks.
Loves stats this season:
35% from the field, 68% from the line and 22% from 3.
Yikes.
Here's the deal:
Green
Lee
Bass (going somewhere, don't know where, but deal doesn't work without him*)
Sullinger
Two 1st RD Picks (assuming because of time left on contracts and the going rate of stars is generally two 1st RD picks)
$3M
for
Love
Williams
Ridnour
*Maybe Boston doesn't want Williams and he would be combined with Bass? I have no idea, really, just attempting to figure out how this would reasonably work.
This is quoted from a user on another Celtics board.
Anyway, I thought I'd re-post it to gauge the general consensus.
Do you throw in Avery Bradley if it nets us Williams?
I feel we need at least Williams to guard the elite SF's once Pierce goes to the bench.
Giving up Avery leaves us with Terry, Barbosa, Ridnour and Rondo to basically guard the perimeter, which makes me throw up in my mouth a little.
If we can do this and keep Avery it would still be a complete theft/armed robbery from Minny.
But if the supposed feelings that Adelmen has towards Green, Lee and Sully are true, then it could have legs...
Someone also pointed out that it would make sense as to why the Wolves were so high on Verajao and rumors surrounding their crazy desire to get Verajao.
There was also a good trade idea that was a little more realistic...
Boston deals -
Green (8.1)
Lee (5)
Avery Bradley(perhaps)
Sully (1.3)
Melo (1.25)
Barbosa (1.2)
Collins (1.35)
2014 pick (Total = $18.25 million not including Avery)
Boston gets -
Love (13.5)
Barea (4.5)
Josh Howard (1.3)
(Total $19.3)
Minny deals - Love (13.5)
Williams (4.95)
Barea (4.5)
Howard (1.3)
(Total $24.25)
Minny gets -
Green (8.1)
Varejao (8.4)
Lee (5)
Sully (1.3)
Collins (1.35)
(Total $24.15)
Cleveland deals -
Varejao (8.4)
Cleveland gets -
D. Williams (4.95)
Avery Bradley (perhaps if needed)
Melo (1.25)
Boston 2014 pick
Barbosa (1.25)
(Total $7.45 not including Avery)
Boston Rotation:
KG, Wilcox
Love, Bass
Pierce, Howard
Bradley (if we are lucky enough to keep him), Terry
Rondo, Barea
Minny Rotation:
Pekovic, Steamer
Varejao, Sully
AK, Green
Shved, Lee
Rubio, Ridnour
Thoughts?
Seems crazy but this is GM Mr Crazy Kahn and Love is p---ed, Derrick Williams is sour and they would love Verajao. Love would have to go right?
If Adelmen likes Green and Lee this could be a goer.
Remember what other teams have gotten in return for guys like Chris Paul and Orlando for Howard etc...
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Even Kahn wouldn't do this trade.
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Even Kahn wouldn't do this trade.
theres no such thing ;D
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Haha yeah Kahn is infamous.
I don't think Minnesota deals Love this season. They certainly don't deal to Boston. The only piece we have that is as valuable as Love is Rondo and Minny already has Rubio.
I think Love will give his team this year and next to get competitive then maybe if they aren't in the top 4 in the west he superstars them into trading him.
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I bet Kahn would take Rondo, Bradley, Terry and Barbosa for Love
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I bet Kahn would take Rondo, Bradley, Terry and Barbosa for Love
The money works so if Minny adds Rubio and takes Green I do that trade.
Love/Rubio/Williams
for
Rondo/Green/AB/Sully
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If history serves me right..... Boston is pretty good at getting Kevins from another team.....
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I bet Kahn would take Rondo, Bradley, Terry and Barbosa for Love
The money works so if Minny adds Rubio and takes Green I do that trade.
Love/Rubio/Williams
for
Rondo/Green/AB/Sully
May as well ask for Pekovic while we are at it :P
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And after the trade we will be renamed the Boston Timberwolves and the minnesota celtics...
Too much to give up for me.
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And after the trade we will be renamed the Boston Timberwolves and the minnesota celtics...
Too much to give up for me.
You have got to be kidding me. This deal would be an absolute steal if we can pull it off.
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Josh Howard has a torn ACL and was waived a few days ago.
Right when Josh Howard appeared to be carving an important niche in the NBA for himself again after battling back from a torn anterior cruciate ligament in his left knee, the 32-year-old forward is right back where he started.
The Timberwolves waived him Thursday after an MRI revealed a torn ACL in Howard's right knee. He was injured Friday at New Orleans. The team initially hoped he would be able to return this season, but as usual for these hard-luck Wolves, the news could not have been worse.
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Never happening.
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Even Kahn wouldn't do this trade.
He could.
If both sides agreed to screw up their teams and end up with wrecks.
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No chance. Zero. None. Not happening.
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no chance of us getting Love without a set of special circumsatnces occuring. Sort of like I never dreamed KG would play for the Celtics .
Stuff you totally can't predict has to happen for the Celtics to get Love.
Thats why COusins is a unique opportunity, a Lottery player that is obtainable by even the Celtics without tanking.
We can't FORCE trades like LA LAKERS... for players they want. When they offer trades player seem to feel obligated to say yes and walk though the door. ANd even if they don';t the LAKERS have ways of making you a Laker like it or not.
HE is my favorite non Celtic player, but uless a miracle happens , it will be many year s, as with KG before him, to become available (becomes old) before we can pick him up on the Celtics.
I'm not holding my breath.
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There's limit when trading several players for 1 or 2 excellent ones and this is just too much.
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I have been thinking about this idea after initially thinking it was impossible but kinda coming around on it. KLove publicly talking about being unhappy in Minny has been the main reason for the change.
The three team scenario is the most interesting:
BOS gets
K Love
L Ridnour or JJ Barea
CLE gets:
Derrick Williams
Chase Budinger
Fab Melo
first round pick (Cs)
MIN gets:
Jeff Green
Courtney Lee
Anderson Varejao
Jared Sullinger
first round pick (Cs)
cash
after the trade the Cs are
Rondo/Ridnour
Bradley/Terry/Barbosa
Pierce/?
KLove/Bass
KG/Collins
We'd be pretty thin off the bench in the paint and on the wing (too bad no Pietrus) but our starting five would be right there with any in the league...plus it would be nice having a back up point that is actually a PG.
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the other idea I guess is to deal directly with MIN:
BOS gets:
KLove
Derrick Williams
Ridnour
MIN gets:
Jeff Green
Courtney Lee
Brandon Bass
Jared Sullinger
2 first round picks
cash
That puts a lot of pressure on Derrick Williams to perform right away however. Plus we'd be desperately in need of bigs off the bench (Ryan Hollins?)
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the other idea I guess is to deal directly with MIN:
BOS gets:
KLove
Derrick Williams
Ridnour
MIN gets:
Jeff Green
Courtney Lee
Brandon Bass
Jared Sullinger
2 first round picks
cash
That puts a lot of pressure on Derrick Williams to perform right away however. Plus we'd be desperately in need of bigs off the bench (Ryan Hollins?)
why would minny trade a top 20 player for bench players with long term contracts and a few draft picks in the 20's?
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this is not nba 2k13. we don't have any chance pulling this kind of trade unless rondo is included in the package.
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I tend to agree somewhat with the OP, and I appreciate his disclaimer to begin that it isn't necessarily actual knowledge. Everyone coming on here and saying it is 'impossible' just hasn't seen how trades for superstars work in recent times and Love is nowhere near Lebron / Howard level, where the Cavs and Magic got very little in return.
If Adelman has legitimate interest in Green, Lee, and Sullinger, I think that provides the framework for a deal. I have said it in other threads, those players aren't horrible as others seem to perceive them to be. They are starting caliber players on market value contracts. I don't particularly want to throw in Bradley and Melo for the fun of it, but if other assets were involved, then I could listen.
I just don't think anybody is qualified to say that there is 'no chance' of this happening, especially if Love isn't happy and [also] especially since Love is apparently totally overrated.
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Dream trade (he's my fav non Celtic) , but it an't happening , at least by normal trades. Something wierd would need to happen.
It will them wanting to give Love up (for some reason) , either he tells them I'm definelty not returning , I hate you , he pulls several COusins stunts....
It then would take either Rondo possibly or extra PUSH from their side via LOve himself /Owner to ever make this trasspire. I can't see why they would trade Love for Rondo , unless we gave them WAY to many addtional young prospects. Not sure DA would do that. I wouldn't and I'm a huge LOVE fan.
I look for Love to go to Lakers, or Dallas eventually.
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I tend to agree somewhat with the OP, and I appreciate his disclaimer to begin that it isn't necessarily actual knowledge. Everyone coming on here and saying it is 'impossible' just hasn't seen how trades for superstars work in recent times and Love is nowhere near Lebron / Howard level, where the Cavs and Magic got very little in return.
If Adelman has legitimate interest in Green, Lee, and Sullinger, I think that provides the framework for a deal. I have said it in other threads, those players aren't horrible as others seem to perceive them to be. They are starting caliber players on market value contracts. I don't particularly want to throw in Bradley and Melo for the fun of it, but if other assets were involved, then I could listen.
I just don't think anybody is qualified to say that there is 'no chance' of this happening, especially if Love isn't happy and [also] especially since Love is apparently totally overrated.
Not really a good comparison. LBJ was a free agent, and Cleveland wanted to get something in return. D12 only has one year left on his deal and he could've walked for nothing. They had leverage. Kevin Love is in the first year of a 4 year extension he chose to sign. They have no reason to trade him for the next 3 yrs.
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the other idea I guess is to deal directly with MIN:
BOS gets:
KLove
Derrick Williams
Ridnour
MIN gets:
Jeff Green
Courtney Lee
Brandon Bass
Jared Sullinger
2 first round picks
cash
That puts a lot of pressure on Derrick Williams to perform right away however. Plus we'd be desperately in need of bigs off the bench (Ryan Hollins?)
People have to understand we're not getting Minesotta's best player without giving up our best player. And no-one has adequately explained yet why the Wolves need Rondo.
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the other idea I guess is to deal directly with MIN:
BOS gets:
KLove
Derrick Williams
Ridnour
MIN gets:
Jeff Green
Courtney Lee
Brandon Bass
Jared Sullinger
2 first round picks
cash
That puts a lot of pressure on Derrick Williams to perform right away however. Plus we'd be desperately in need of bigs off the bench (Ryan Hollins?)
People have to understand we're not getting Minesotta's best player without giving up our best player. And no-one has adequately explained yet why the Wolves need Rondo.
I don't agree. I think we are finding in the current NBA climate that some players can instigate trades that might not have otherwise happened. And the best players (all star players) on each team are not necessarily involved. Think about CP3, Deron Williams, Melo, and DHoward - all top tier players acquired for arguably smaller packages than the ones mentioned here for KLove...
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I tend to agree somewhat with the OP, and I appreciate his disclaimer to begin that it isn't necessarily actual knowledge. Everyone coming on here and saying it is 'impossible' just hasn't seen how trades for superstars work in recent times and Love is nowhere near Lebron / Howard level, where the Cavs and Magic got very little in return.
If Adelman has legitimate interest in Green, Lee, and Sullinger, I think that provides the framework for a deal. I have said it in other threads, those players aren't horrible as others seem to perceive them to be. They are starting caliber players on market value contracts. I don't particularly want to throw in Bradley and Melo for the fun of it, but if other assets were involved, then I could listen.
I just don't think anybody is qualified to say that there is 'no chance' of this happening, especially if Love isn't happy and [also] especially since Love is apparently totally overrated.
Not really a good comparison. LBJ was a free agent, and Cleveland wanted to get something in return. D12 only has one year left on his deal and he could've walked for nothing. They had leverage. Kevin Love is in the first year of a 4 year extension he chose to sign. They have no reason to trade him for the next 3 yrs.
They do if he is letting people know that he isn't happy...I mean, he mentions it once and the franchise is in an uproar...Don't you think other franchises look at the debacle in ORL and want to avoid that if they can...especially if there is a deal on the table that is somewhat appealing to them?
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Kevin Mchale is not the Minny GM so I am pessimistic about this happening.
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the other idea I guess is to deal directly with MIN:
BOS gets:
KLove
Derrick Williams
Ridnour
MIN gets:
Jeff Green
Courtney Lee
Brandon Bass
Jared Sullinger
2 first round picks
cash
That puts a lot of pressure on Derrick Williams to perform right away however. Plus we'd be desperately in need of bigs off the bench (Ryan Hollins?)
People have to understand we're not getting Minesotta's best player without giving up our best player. And no-one has adequately explained yet why the Wolves need Rondo.
I don't agree. I think we are finding in the current NBA climate that some players can instigate trades that might not have otherwise happened. And the best players (all star players) on each team are not necessarily involved. Think about CP3, Deron Williams, Melo, and DHoward - all top tier players acquired for arguably smaller packages than the ones mentioned here for KLove...
Thank you for saying what I was trying to say, but in a much clearer way. TP.
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Love has years left on his contract -- and zero leverage. Also, I find the idea that he'll force a trade to Boston humorous (also, expect half a dozen of teams to be able to put better packaged than anything headlined by Jeff Green -- which is the main reason why you can't get Love for spare parts).
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Call me crazy, but if Danny offers a package of Rondo, Bradley, Green, Sullinger and Melo (plus a couple future picks) for Love, Rubio and maybe Ridnour, Minny MIGHT consider it.
Again, key word is MIGHT. As for the Celtics side, I know we all love Rondo, but that's something I would have to say yes to.
Regardless, I am sure all this talk is just a pipe dream.
Merry Christmas!
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I tend to agree somewhat with the OP, and I appreciate his disclaimer to begin that it isn't necessarily actual knowledge. Everyone coming on here and saying it is 'impossible' just hasn't seen how trades for superstars work in recent times and Love is nowhere near Lebron / Howard level, where the Cavs and Magic got very little in return.
If Adelman has legitimate interest in Green, Lee, and Sullinger, I think that provides the framework for a deal. I have said it in other threads, those players aren't horrible as others seem to perceive them to be. They are starting caliber players on market value contracts. I don't particularly want to throw in Bradley and Melo for the fun of it, but if other assets were involved, then I could listen.
I just don't think anybody is qualified to say that there is 'no chance' of this happening, especially if Love isn't happy and [also] especially since Love is apparently totally overrated.
Not really a good comparison. LBJ was a free agent, and Cleveland wanted to get something in return. D12 only has one year left on his deal and he could've walked for nothing. They had leverage. Kevin Love is in the first year of a 4 year extension he chose to sign. They have no reason to trade him for the next 3 yrs.
They do if he is letting people know that he isn't happy...I mean, he mentions it once and the franchise is in an uproar...Don't you think other franchises look at the debacle in ORL and want to avoid that if they can...especially if there is a deal on the table that is somewhat appealing to them?
That's incredibly wishful thinking. They have no reason to seriously consider moving him until after the 13/14 season. He's got a Player Option on the 15/16 and can become a free agent in 2015 - until he gains that leverage, he's in no position to dictate where he's going to go. Now, they may very well move him if he's unhappy, but they have all the power and can take the best package available. If that happens, Jeff Green's bloated contract is not going to cut it. That'd be highway robbery.
If he survives in Minny until the 2014 and he's still unhappy and wants to force his way somewhere, I honestly don't see Boston high on his list. He's a Cali boy, I fully expect the Lakers (or even GSW) to be more appealing to him.
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Call me crazy, but if Danny offers a package of Rondo, Bradley, Green, Sullinger and Melo (plus a couple future picks) for Love, Rubio and maybe Ridnour, Minny MIGHT consider it.
Again, key word is MIGHT. As for the Celtics side, I know we all love Rondo, but that's something I would have to say yes to.
Regardless, I am sure all this talk is just a pipe dream.
Merry Christmas!
That is way too much for Love. Rondo is regarded at least as high as Love is around the league. Adding in every single one of our other top prospects is a little ridiculous.
I would much rather have Cousins for Avery and Sullinger [as proposed on the front page] than Love. With that package, we could have had Dwight, Anderson, and picks from Orl last year...
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Call me crazy, but if Danny offers a package of Rondo, Bradley, Green, Sullinger and Melo (plus a couple future picks) for Love, Rubio and maybe Ridnour, Minny MIGHT consider it.
Again, key word is MIGHT. As for the Celtics side, I know we all love Rondo, but that's something I would have to say yes to.
Regardless, I am sure all this talk is just a pipe dream.
Merry Christmas!
That really is giving up way too much for Love. Rondo is considered the best point guard in the league and he's in his prime like Love. Look at the year Love is having, it's terrible.
Peckovic shining is taking his rebounds and points way down.
And why do the Wolves seemingly always appear in Verajao trade rumors? They have 'strong interest' in Verajao and have had for a while.
I'm not sure the Timberwolves organisation and the maniacally egotistical GM Kahn appreciated Mr Love as we may think.
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Better Kirilenko or get the big man Pekovic
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Call me crazy, but if Danny offers a package of Rondo, Bradley, Green, Sullinger and Melo (plus a couple future picks) for Love, Rubio and maybe Ridnour, Minny MIGHT consider it.
You're expecting the Wolves to consider trading their best players for a package consisting of pieces that are not the best players on a team that has a worse record than them? Don't hold your breath :)
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Call me crazy, but if Danny offers a package of Rondo, Bradley, Green, Sullinger and Melo (plus a couple future picks) for Love, Rubio and maybe Ridnour, Minny MIGHT consider it.
You're expecting the Wolves to consider trading their best players for a package consisting of pieces that are not the best players on a team that has a worse record than them? Don't hold your breath :)
He did put Rondo in the trade.
No way in hell I'm giving up Rondo (arguably our best player), Bradley (our perimeter defender), Green (our best bench scorer), Sullinger and Melo (our young prospects) in return for a forward who cans defend, can't score inside and has a one dimensional offensive game (Love) and an injury prone PG (Rubio).
No thanks...