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Around the League => Around the NBA => Topic started by: Celts Fan 92 on December 22, 2012, 03:58:52 PM
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once again da Sacremento Kings have suspended Demarcus Cousins for unprofessional behavior nd conduct detrimental to da team. Seems like no matter who da coach in Sacremento is he's clashin wit em. Maybe he's tired of losin nd playin wit a bunch of chuckers. Despite his issues he's a guy who averaged 18 nd 11 nd can give dis team a post game nd rebounding sumthin we need BADLY. we would have to give up either Bradley or Sully to a team already loaded wit guys at those positions but Cousins can have a huge impact here nd could potentionally do betta wit a change of scenery. Doc could reach him nd Rondo could get him da ball in spots where he likes it. He's neva been around a group of vets who wont tolerate his tantrums. SO question is would u take a chance on bringin in da talented but volitile big man or would u pass on bringin him here?
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8772913/sacramento-kings-suspend-demarcus-cousins-indefinitely-conduct (http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8772913/sacramento-kings-suspend-demarcus-cousins-indefinitely-conduct)
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nd sorry in advance for typin dat annotated bibliography i usually hate typin dat much lls
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He's completely off his rocker. But it sounds like they are trying to basically dump him. I question if there's a strong market for him after all these issues but i hope we at least take a shot. He would pair well with Rondo but it would take a real veteran team like the C's to reel him in.
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I would take him in a second!! Being around a veteran team like the Celtics may help him.
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Yes I'd take a chance on him. He's gonna be one of those players like Rasheed and Randolph who are headcases, but eventually the talent wins out and they find themselves as the best player on a very good team.
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I honestly think demarcus cousins is the best center in the game.
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He's completely off his rocker. But it sounds like they are trying to basically dump him. I question if there's a strong market for him after all these issues but i hope we at least take a shot. He would pair well with Rondo but it would take a real veteran team like the C's to reel him in.
u kno who else had a rought start in da league despite his talent before he eventually found his home? Zach Randolph all it takes is someone to reach Big Cuz so he can finally break out nd stay outta trouble
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I honestly think demarcus cousins is the best center in the game.
not production wise but skill wise if he puts it all together i can see dis being true in da future
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I'd offer:
Lee - 5 mil
Bradley - 1.6 mil
Sully - 1.4 mil
Melo - 1.2 mil
Unprotected 2013 1st rounder (could be a lotto pick with how we're going)
For:
Evans - 5 mil
Cousins - 3.8 mil
... Sacramento would starting laughing and hang up on us, but if we pulled that off... it would solve pretty much all our problems. I think Cousins is a bit misunderstood. Again, he reminds me of a Zach Randolph or Rasheed... he desperately wants to win. His clashing last year with the coach was because he felt like the coach wasn't doing the right things to put the team in position to win. Being around a vet team probably would help him.
This roster would be excellent on paper:
PG - Rondo
SG - Evans
SF - Pierce
PF - KG
C - Cousins
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Backup PG - Barbosa
Backup SG - Jet
Backup SF - Green
Backup PF - Bass
Backup C - Wilcox
No more undersized shooting guards and undersized bigs. Evans is 6'6 220 and only 23 years old. Cousins 7 feet 270 and only 22 years old. Those guys with Rondo (26) and Jeff Green (27) would make a nice framework for the future.
No chance of happening without giving up Rondo, imo.
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A glipse of how talented he can be his career high 41 points
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=712ZGFApFX0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=712ZGFApFX0)
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He's completely off his rocker. But it sounds like they are trying to basically dump him. I question if there's a strong market for him after all these issues but i hope we at least take a shot. He would pair well with Rondo but it would take a real veteran team like the C's to reel him in.
u kno who else had a rought start in da league despite his talent before he eventually found his home? Zach Randolph all it takes is someone to reach Big Cuz so he can finally break out nd stay outta trouble
Ya great point. It really seems like a change of scenery is the best remedy for him. I am curious to find out what the market is like for him. Especially since i hope we land the guy. Im haveing dreams of him and Rondo in the pick and roll or pick and pop play.
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I don't know why people equate a minor suspension with a team trying to move a player.
It makes no sense to me. It's a little tiny largely insignificant incident ... and this is supposedly going to push the team into dumping one of the best big man prospects in the league? Come on now.
It's not happening.
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I don't know why people equate a minor suspension with a team trying to move a player.
It makes no sense to me. It's a little tiny largely insignificant incident ... and this is supposedly going to push the team into dumping one of the best big man prospects in the league? Come on now.
It's not happening.
agree. You'd have to offer Rondo to get the trade done anyways.
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I don't know why people equate a minor suspension with a team trying to move a player.
It makes no sense to me. It's a little tiny largely insignificant incident ... and this is supposedly going to push the team into dumping one of the best big man prospects in the league? Come on now.
It's not happening.
cuz dis aint da 1st time dis has happened wit Cousins. Portland did da same thing wit Z-Bo cuz he was a "headcase" dont be surprised if u hear his name around deadline time
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I don't know why people equate a minor suspension with a team trying to move a player.
It makes no sense to me. It's a little tiny largely insignificant incident ... and this is supposedly going to push the team into dumping one of the best big man prospects in the league? Come on now.
It's not happening.
agree. You'd have to offer Rondo to get the trade done anyways.
no u wouldnt cuz Cousins is still on his rookie contract so da money doesnt match up lls
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If he really has worn out his welcome and the Kings are willing to deal I think this trade could get it done.
Green
Sully
Melo
2013 1st
For
Cousins
Salmons
Kings get a starting sf in green and young prospects in sully and melo. They also dump salmons contract.
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I don't know why people equate a minor suspension with a team trying to move a player.
It makes no sense to me. It's a little tiny largely insignificant incident ... and this is supposedly going to push the team into dumping one of the best big man prospects in the league? Come on now.
It's not happening.
agree. You'd have to offer Rondo to get the trade done anyways.
He had issues with the last coach. And they fired him. His suspensions this year include confronting Sean Avery (Spurs announcer)and low-blowing O.J. Mayo.
They seem to be at the end of the rope if you ask me. He's clearly not in a situation that beneficial to him or the team in any way. The suspension is "indefinite" as well. This after he was benched the entire second hal of last nights game and told not to even come back out on the bench.
I think it's very possible they are forced to move him.
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I don't know why people equate a minor suspension with a team trying to move a player.
It makes no sense to me. It's a little tiny largely insignificant incident ... and this is supposedly going to push the team into dumping one of the best big man prospects in the league? Come on now.
It's not happening.
Being suspended indefinitely is not a small incident.
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I don't know why people equate a minor suspension with a team trying to move a player.
It makes no sense to me. It's a little tiny largely insignificant incident ... and this is supposedly going to push the team into dumping one of the best big man prospects in the league? Come on now.
It's not happening.
agree. You'd have to offer Rondo to get the trade done anyways.
He had issues with the last coach. And they fired him. His suspensions this year include confronting Sean Avery (Spurs announcer)and low-blowing O.J. Mayo.
They seem to be at the end of the rope if you ask me. He's clearly not in a situation that beneficial to him or the team in any way. The suspension is "indefinite" as well. This after he was benched the entire second hal of last nights game and told not to even come back out on the bench.
I think it's very possible they are forced to move him.
You mean Sean Elliott.
And yes, Sacramento has invested so much into him already and still no results. What more can they do? Fire another coach? Cousins is a good kid, has not had any issues with the law, he just badly needs a change of scenery. Look at Javale McGee. He's playing solid ball in Denver under George Karl, away from that infectious Washington locker room. Danny please get on the phone and work something out.
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I don't know why people equate a minor suspension with a team trying to move a player.
It makes no sense to me. It's a little tiny largely insignificant incident ... and this is supposedly going to push the team into dumping one of the best big man prospects in the league? Come on now.
It's not happening.
agree. You'd have to offer Rondo to get the trade done anyways.
no u wouldnt cuz Cousins is still on his rookie contract so da money doesnt match up lls
I'm not talking about salary. I'm talking about talent. You'd probably have to give up Rondo if you were trying to get Cousins. Cousins is a legit center prospect. To make salaries work you'd have to get back something else from the Kings... like a bad contract (Salmons)... or maybe you could get Cousins and Evans, but I think that's too much for the Kings to give up... and also it's silly since Boston wouldn't have a PG.
I guess if Boston was really confident Avery Bradley could play PG ... Rondo for Evans and Cousins would make some sense.
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I'm sure Danny is on the phone.
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Here's a trade that helps both teams:
Boston Trades:
Courtney Lee
Jared Sullinger
1st Round Draft Pick
Sacramento Trades:
DeMarcus Cousins
Jimmer Fredette
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Hell yes I would take the chance he's exactly what this teams lacking. Were a legit BIG away from being right there and dethroning Miami at ease
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I don't know why people equate a minor suspension with a team trying to move a player.
It makes no sense to me. It's a little tiny largely insignificant incident ... and this is supposedly going to push the team into dumping one of the best big man prospects in the league? Come on now.
It's not happening.
agree. You'd have to offer Rondo to get the trade done anyways.
no u wouldnt cuz Cousins is still on his rookie contract so da money doesnt match up lls
I'm not talking about salary. I'm talking about talent. You'd probably have to give up Rondo if you were trying to get Cousins. Cousins is a legit center prospect. To make salaries work you'd have to get back something else from the Kings... like a bad contract (Salmons)... or maybe you could get Cousins and Evans, but I think that's too much for the Kings to give up... and also it's silly since Boston wouldn't have a PG.
I guess if Boston was really confident Avery Bradley could play PG ... Rondo for Evans and Cousins would make some sense.
I guess it depends on how much Sac wants to trade Cousins. Rondo is one of the premiere pgs in the league. I can't imagine it would take our 'best' player to get somebody that the Kings can't wait to get rid of. I understand that it would probably take Avery and Sullinger, but I would be okay with that...
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Here's a trade that helps both teams:
Boston Trades:
Courtney Lee
Jared Sullinger
1st Round Draft Pick
Sacramento Trades:
DeMarcus Cousins
Jimmer Fredette
Not enough I don't think.
I'm gonna say a reasonable trade offer to the Kings would be:
Rajon Rondo for:
Cousins, Evans and Aaron Brooks.
Even there, you might need to throw in Melo or a 1st.
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Here's a trade that helps both teams:
Boston Trades:
Courtney Lee
Jared Sullinger
1st Round Draft Pick
Sacramento Trades:
DeMarcus Cousins
Jimmer Fredette
Not enough I don't think.
I'm gonna say a reasonable trade offer to the Kings would be:
Rajon Rondo for:
Cousins, Evans and Aaron Brooks.
Even there, you might need to throw in Melo or a 1st.
Well forget it if thats the case this team will go nowhere without Rondo. The key is to try have both he and Rondo as 2 legit pieces toward the future.
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I'd LOVE DeMarcus in Green, but no way that SAC would let him go for cheap. They'd try to take us to the cleaners, I'd bet.
They would probably listen to us, based off of what Danny would offer, but the team would probably be gutted. I don't think it's worth it.
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Here's a trade that helps both teams:
Boston Trades:
Courtney Lee
Jared Sullinger
1st Round Draft Pick
Sacramento Trades:
DeMarcus Cousins
Jimmer Fredette
Not enough I don't think.
I'm gonna say a reasonable trade offer to the Kings would be:
Rajon Rondo for:
Cousins, Evans and Aaron Brooks.
Even there, you might need to throw in Melo or a 1st.
Well forget it if thats the case this team will go nowhere without Rondo. The key is to try have both he and Rondo as 2 legit pieces toward the future.
Yeah I mean... Rondo is already 27 years old. When is our next window?... Rondo might be in his mid 30s by the time our post Big-3 rebuild finally comes to fruition. Evans is 23 and Cousins is 22. Maybe if they think Avery Bradley (22) can play PG and Sully (20) is a key part of the future... a Rondo for Evans and Cousins deal might make some sense "towards the future".
PG - Bradley (22)
SG - Evans (23)
PF - Sully (20)
C - Cousins (22)
They'd all be peaking 7 years when the LeBron dynasty is slowing down and the Thunder Dynasty is reaching it's apex. Maybe in the meantime we can luck into a superstar those guys can surround. Lol n/m... that's a horrible idea.
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I don't know why people equate a minor suspension with a team trying to move a player.
It makes no sense to me. It's a little tiny largely insignificant incident ... and this is supposedly going to push the team into dumping one of the best big man prospects in the league? Come on now.
It's not happening.
Being suspended indefinitely is not a small incident.
It's only indefinite because they haven't decided how long to suspend him yet. He'll be back in a few days.
It's not serious.
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I don't know why people equate a minor suspension with a team trying to move a player.
It makes no sense to me. It's a little tiny largely insignificant incident ... and this is supposedly going to push the team into dumping one of the best big man prospects in the league? Come on now.
It's not happening.
Being suspended indefinitely is not a small incident.
It's only indefinite because they haven't decided how long to suspend him yet. He'll be back in a few days.
It's not serious.
And you KNOW this inside information how?
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I don't know why people equate a minor suspension with a team trying to move a player.
It makes no sense to me. It's a little tiny largely insignificant incident ... and this is supposedly going to push the team into dumping one of the best big man prospects in the league? Come on now.
It's not happening.
Being suspended indefinitely is not a small incident.
It's only indefinite because they haven't decided how long to suspend him yet. He'll be back in a few days.
It's not serious.
And you KNOW this inside information how?
Because it is a minor incident.
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I want Cousins so bad. Melo, Bradley and a 1st
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He's completely off his rocker. But it sounds like they are trying to basically dump him. I question if there's a strong market for him after all these issues but i hope we at least take a shot. He would pair well with Rondo but it would take a real veteran team like the C's to reel him in.
I agree that he'd be great with Rondo but I don't see any hint of them wanting to move him.
He's their golden hope and they're hoping they get a veteran presence of some kind in a player or coach that can guide him on the Kings.
We have no chance of getting him with our pieces because they make too much money. The only Irish chance would involve taking back one of their overpaid scrubs with him and us giving them Bradley, Sully, Melo, picks and Lee.
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I don't know why people equate a minor suspension with a team trying to move a player.
It makes no sense to me. It's a little tiny largely insignificant incident ... and this is supposedly going to push the team into dumping one of the best big man prospects in the league? Come on now.
It's not happening.
This is the cool head. It's not a Marbury situation yet.
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I don't know why people equate a minor suspension with a team trying to move a player.
It makes no sense to me. It's a little tiny largely insignificant incident ... and this is supposedly going to push the team into dumping one of the best big man prospects in the league? Come on now.
It's not happening.
Being suspended indefinitely is not a small incident.
It's only indefinite because they haven't decided how long to suspend him yet. He'll be back in a few days.
It's not serious.
And you KNOW this inside information how?
Because it is a minor incident.
5 small incidents are equivalent to one major problem.
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I don't know why people equate a minor suspension with a team trying to move a player.
It makes no sense to me. It's a little tiny largely insignificant incident ... and this is supposedly going to push the team into dumping one of the best big man prospects in the league? Come on now.
It's not happening.
agree. You'd have to offer Rondo to get the trade done anyways.
He had issues with the last coach. And they fired him. His suspensions this year include confronting Sean Avery (Spurs announcer)and low-blowing O.J. Mayo.
They seem to be at the end of the rope if you ask me. He's clearly not in a situation that beneficial to him or the team in any way. The suspension is "indefinite" as well. This after he was benched the entire second hal of last nights game and told not to even come back out on the bench.
I think it's very possible they are forced to move him.
I agree with Who, this is a minor incident that in no way signals trade. If they really did want to trade him, they wouldn't suspend him and drop his value.
In all fairness to Cousins though, after listening to Sean Elliot call the celtics-spurs game, I understand the impulse to attack him after the game.
As for the low blow, our own Ray Allen had a good one last year, and how many does Wade get away with every year?
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I don't know why people equate a minor suspension with a team trying to move a player.
It makes no sense to me. It's a little tiny largely insignificant incident ... and this is supposedly going to push the team into dumping one of the best big man prospects in the league? Come on now.
It's not happening.
Being suspended indefinitely is not a small incident.
It's only indefinite because they haven't decided how long to suspend him yet. He'll be back in a few days.
It's not serious.
And you KNOW this inside information how?
Because it is a minor incident.
And you know the extent of the incident how?
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I don't know why people equate a minor suspension with a team trying to move a player.
It makes no sense to me. It's a little tiny largely insignificant incident ... and this is supposedly going to push the team into dumping one of the best big man prospects in the league? Come on now.
It's not happening.
agree. You'd have to offer Rondo to get the trade done anyways.
He had issues with the last coach. And they fired him. His suspensions this year include confronting Sean Avery (Spurs announcer)and low-blowing O.J. Mayo.
They seem to be at the end of the rope if you ask me. He's clearly not in a situation that beneficial to him or the team in any way. The suspension is "indefinite" as well. This after he was benched the entire second hal of last nights game and told not to even come back out on the bench.
I think it's very possible they are forced to move him.
Yep. The problem is, given all this, why would he want him? He's had problems with pretty much everyone he's worked with, so I'd hazard a guess he's the cause -- not some sort of a "situation" he's in.
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I want Cousins so bad. Melo, Bradley and a 1st
rofl dat wont get it done at all
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I don't know why people equate a minor suspension with a team trying to move a player.
It makes no sense to me. It's a little tiny largely insignificant incident ... and this is supposedly going to push the team into dumping one of the best big man prospects in the league? Come on now.
It's not happening.
Being suspended indefinitely is not a small incident.
It's only indefinite because they haven't decided how long to suspend him yet. He'll be back in a few days.
It's not serious.
And you KNOW this inside information how?
Because it is a minor incident.
And you know the extent of the incident how?
The reports said what it was - a verbal argument between Cousins and his coach during halftime after being criticized.
Cousins has quickly come out and apologized for his actions. Admitted his wrong doings. Said he should have accepted what was said against him and kept his mouth shut.
Exactly the reaction the team wanted from him. This is all but over already.
All this is is a teaching incident. An opportunity for Sacramento to continue to shape and mold Cousins' temperament and discipline. Nothing more, nothing less.
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I want Cousins so bad. Melo, Bradley and a 1st
rofl dat wont get it done at all
It's not like we have a lot to offer and I'm not trading Rondo for him.
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I want Cousins so bad. Melo, Bradley and a 1st
rofl dat wont get it done at all
It's not like we have a lot to offer and I'm not trading Rondo for him.
you gotta give to get, LOL
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Don't know if this has been posted elsewhere, but:
Green/Sully/Melo for Cousins/salmons may provide a framework for both sides.
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I don't know why people equate a minor suspension with a team trying to move a player.
It makes no sense to me. It's a little tiny largely insignificant incident ... and this is supposedly going to push the team into dumping one of the best big man prospects in the league? Come on now.
It's not happening.
agree. You'd have to offer Rondo to get the trade done anyways.
He had issues with the last coach. And they fired him. His suspensions this year include confronting Sean Avery (Spurs announcer)and low-blowing O.J. Mayo.
They seem to be at the end of the rope if you ask me. He's clearly not in a situation that beneficial to him or the team in any way. The suspension is "indefinite" as well. This after he was benched the entire second hal of last nights game and told not to even come back out on the bench.
I think it's very possible they are forced to move him.
I agree with Who, this is a minor incident that in no way signals trade. If they really did want to trade him, they wouldn't suspend him and drop his value.
In all fairness to Cousins though, after listening to Sean Elliot call the celtics-spurs game, I understand the impulse to attack him after the game.
As for the low blow, our own Ray Allen had a good one last year, and how many does Wade get away with every year?
What you guys are overlooking is there has been a number of "minor incidents". After a while they start to add up.
I distinctly remember going over these same scenarios last year when Cousins was having his issues with Keith Smart. The Kings ultimatley sided with Cousins and dumped the coach. Rightfully so.
This is now his second coach he seems to be feuding with. At some point they are gonna have to put their foot down and make some rules in that locker room.
They can't seem to reach "Boogey" and i assume the know the best thing is for them to cut ties and get what they can for him. He clearly needs more of a veteran prescence around him and Boston would be perfect.
It's clear he's not a good influence in that locker room and they will have to cut ties. Get it done Danny. Silence the doubters!
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I want Cousins so bad. Melo, Bradley and a 1st
rofl dat wont get it done at all
It's not like we have a lot to offer and I'm not trading Rondo for him.
you gotta give to get, LOL
So why even have the discussion then? I hope no one would give up Rondo for Cousins.
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Don't know if this has been posted elsewhere, but:
Green/Sully/Melo for Cousins/salmons may provide a framework for both sides.
I would think they hold out for Bradley in the deal. Cousins is an elite talent.
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I don't know why people equate a minor suspension with a team trying to move a player.
It makes no sense to me. It's a little tiny largely insignificant incident ... and this is supposedly going to push the team into dumping one of the best big man prospects in the league? Come on now.
It's not happening.
Being suspended indefinitely is not a small incident.
It's only indefinite because they haven't decided how long to suspend him yet. He'll be back in a few days.
It's not serious.
And you KNOW this inside information how?
Because it is a minor incident.
5 small incidents are equivalent to one major problem.
No, it doesn't. 5 minor incidents are 5 minor incidents.
This won't be the last one of these incidents either. Nowhere close. There will be plenty more to come. Sacramento know this. All this is is a teaching moment. You don't take a character like Cousins and change him overnight. It takes a very long time. This is a long term process that will have plenty of "one step back, two step forwards" "two steps back, three steps forward" kind of moments. Rinse, repeat, rinse, repeat. Over and over.
And even after the most difficult part of this process ends (well if) and Cousins gets his emotions under better control, there still be the occasional blip now and then for the remainder of his career. It's who he is. They'll just be fewer and further between.
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Maybe this can be Boston's one sided ridiculous trade that we have been so accustomed to in the NBA. C'mon Geoff, hit the panic button.
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I want Cousins so bad. Melo, Bradley and a 1st
rofl dat wont get it done at all
It's not like we have a lot to offer and I'm not trading Rondo for him.
you gotta give to get, LOL
So why even have the discussion then? I hope no one would give up Rondo for Cousins.
We have plenty of other things to offer instead of Rondo, like some of the other posters have said here. Start with Bradley and add something more than a D-league player.
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Maybe this can be Boston's one sided ridiculous trade that we have been so accustomed to in the NBA. C'mon Geoff, hit the panic button.
LOL, yea if Danny pulls this off without giving up Bradley, Rondo, KG, or Pierce, I'll start building Danny's statue outside the garden myself.
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I don't know why people equate a minor suspension with a team trying to move a player.
It makes no sense to me. It's a little tiny largely insignificant incident ... and this is supposedly going to push the team into dumping one of the best big man prospects in the league? Come on now.
It's not happening.
Being suspended indefinitely is not a small incident.
It's only indefinite because they haven't decided how long to suspend him yet. He'll be back in a few days.
It's not serious.
And you KNOW this inside information how?
Because it is a minor incident.
And you know the extent of the incident how?
The reports said what it was - a verbal argument between Cousins and his coach during halftime after being criticized.
Cousins has quickly come out and apologized for his actions. Admitted his wrong doings. Said he should have accepted what was said against him and kept his mouth shut.
Exactly the reaction the team wanted from him. This is all but over already.
All this is is a teaching incident. An opportunity for Sacramento to continue to shape and mold Cousins' temperament and discipline. Nothing more, nothing less.
To my knowledge you got the order of events wrong. From what i saw he apologized FIRST then they suspended him AFTER. To me that makes a difference because although he did the right thing in apologizing, the team was clearly having none of it. To me that says they are at some sort of head. If the incident was so minor and he apologized immediatley after why suspend the guy "indefinatley"?
Of course i could be wrong about the order of events as well and you could be right on, but im baseing it off reports from Rotowire and my ESPN fantasy team (which he's on).
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I don't know why people equate a minor suspension with a team trying to move a player.
It makes no sense to me. It's a little tiny largely insignificant incident ... and this is supposedly going to push the team into dumping one of the best big man prospects in the league? Come on now.
It's not happening.
agree. You'd have to offer Rondo to get the trade done anyways.
He had issues with the last coach. And they fired him. His suspensions this year include confronting Sean Avery (Spurs announcer)and low-blowing O.J. Mayo.
They seem to be at the end of the rope if you ask me. He's clearly not in a situation that beneficial to him or the team in any way. The suspension is "indefinite" as well. This after he was benched the entire second hal of last nights game and told not to even come back out on the bench.
I think it's very possible they are forced to move him.
Yep. The problem is, given all this, why would he want him? He's had problems with pretty much everyone he's worked with, so I'd hazard a guess he's the cause -- not some sort of a "situation" he's in.
I completely agree with your sentiments here Kozlo but isn't this the type of rare talent you don't pass up even with these issues?
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I want Cousins so bad. Melo, Bradley and a 1st
rofl dat wont get it done at all
It's not like we have a lot to offer and I'm not trading Rondo for him.
you gotta give to get, LOL
So why even have the discussion then? I hope no one would give up Rondo for Cousins.
We have plenty of other things to offer instead of Rondo, like some of the other posters have said here. Start with Bradley and add something more than a D-league player.
Someone actually said they would offer lee bradley sully melo and a 1st for cousins AND evans. So I guess I'm just confused how my offer was the bad one lol.
Either way I don't see any assets. Who would they really want? Green? He has no value, that'd be trading away a top talent for a horrible contract. I mean if they want him then sure, but I assumed the Kings would really laugh at Green being in the deal.
Bass? Lee? Terry? Sully? How could any of those guys get it done? lol
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Players like Demarcus Cousins are probably why Doc makes rookies earn their playing time instead of just handing them playing time.
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I want Cousins so bad. Melo, Bradley and a 1st
rofl dat wont get it done at all
It's not like we have a lot to offer and I'm not trading Rondo for him.
you gotta give to get, LOL
So why even have the discussion then? I hope no one would give up Rondo for Cousins.
We have plenty of other things to offer instead of Rondo, like some of the other posters have said here. Start with Bradley and add something more than a D-league player.
Someone actually said they would offer lee bradley sully melo and a 1st for cousins AND evans. So I guess I'm just confused how my offer was the bad one lol.
Either way I don't see any assets. Who would they really want? Green? He has no value, that'd be trading away a top talent for a horrible contract. I mean if they want him then sure, but I assumed the Kings would really laugh at Green being in the deal.
Bass? Lee? Terry? Sully? How could any of those guys get it done? lol
Yea, no way we get both Cousins and Evans. Assuming the Kings want to move him, I can see a deal of Cousins and Salmons for Bradley, Sullinger, Green, and a future 1st with minimal protection.
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I don't know why people equate a minor suspension with a team trying to move a player.
It makes no sense to me. It's a little tiny largely insignificant incident ... and this is supposedly going to push the team into dumping one of the best big man prospects in the league? Come on now.
It's not happening.
Being suspended indefinitely is not a small incident.
It's only indefinite because they haven't decided how long to suspend him yet. He'll be back in a few days.
It's not serious.
And you KNOW this inside information how?
Because it is a minor incident.
And you know the extent of the incident how?
The reports said what it was - a verbal argument between Cousins and his coach during halftime after being criticized.
Cousins has quickly come out and apologized for his actions. Admitted his wrong doings. Said he should have accepted what was said against him and kept his mouth shut.
Exactly the reaction the team wanted from him. This is all but over already.
All this is is a teaching incident. An opportunity for Sacramento to continue to shape and mold Cousins' temperament and discipline. Nothing more, nothing less.
To my knowledge you got the order of events wrong. From what i saw he apologized FIRST then they suspended him AFTER. To me that makes a difference because although he did the right thing in apologizing, the team was clearly having none of it. To me that says they are at some sort of head. If the incident was so minor and he apologized immediatley after why suspend the guy "indefinatley"?
Of course i could be wrong about the order of events as well and you could be right on, but im baseing it off reports from Rotowire and my ESPN fantasy team (which he's on).
I'll take your word for it.
It doesn't make a difference to me either way. Whether the apology or suspension came first. The issue is the same = that Sacramento want to change Cousins' indiscipline and are using each incident to try and mold him into a more mature player. This is just the latest (not final) moment in that process.
The Kings have gotten what they wanted here. To show Cousins there are consequences to his ill-discipline and that he needs to do better for the good of his team and for his own career.
Cousins has already recognized this, admitted and apologized for his wrong doing and that the team are in the right.
Now I believe both sides will move on from this and Cousins will be back in a few days. I guess we'll have to wait and see but this is what I fully expect to happen.
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I don't know why people equate a minor suspension with a team trying to move a player.
It makes no sense to me. It's a little tiny largely insignificant incident ... and this is supposedly going to push the team into dumping one of the best big man prospects in the league? Come on now.
It's not happening.
Being suspended indefinitely is not a small incident.
It's only indefinite because they haven't decided how long to suspend him yet. He'll be back in a few days.
It's not serious.
And you KNOW this inside information how?
Because it is a minor incident.
5 small incidents are equivalent to one major problem.
No, it doesn't. 5 minor incidents are 5 minor incidents.
This won't be the last one of these incidents either. Nowhere close. There will be plenty more to come. Sacramento know this. All this is is a teaching moment. You don't take a character like Cousins and change him overnight. It takes a very long time. This is a long term process that will have plenty of "one step back, two step forwards" "two steps back, three steps forward" kind of moments. Rinse, repeat, rinse, repeat. Over and over.
And even after the most difficult part of this process ends (well if) and Cousins gets his emotions under better control, there still be the occasional blip now and then for the remainder of his career. It's who he is. They'll just be fewer and further between.
Although i agree with your opinions on how to handle these events, i think your giving far too much credit to Sacramento's front office. I mean have you been watching how they handled trying to move out of the city? Not to mention their actual player decisions. Some real head scratchers going on over there.
Your views reflect a top tier organization like Boston. They represent the bottom of the barrell in this league. They're a mess bro.
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I want Cousins so bad. Melo, Bradley and a 1st
rofl dat wont get it done at all
It's not like we have a lot to offer and I'm not trading Rondo for him.
you gotta give to get, LOL
So why even have the discussion then? I hope no one would give up Rondo for Cousins.
We have plenty of other things to offer instead of Rondo, like some of the other posters have said here. Start with Bradley and add something more than a D-league player.
Someone actually said they would offer lee bradley sully melo and a 1st for cousins AND evans. So I guess I'm just confused how my offer was the bad one lol.
Either way I don't see any assets. Who would they really want? Green? He has no value, that'd be trading away a top talent for a horrible contract. I mean if they want him then sure, but I assumed the Kings would really laugh at Green being in the deal.
Bass? Lee? Terry? Sully? How could any of those guys get it done? lol
i think its a lot of ridiculous offers dat will get u laughed at was posted in here not just u being singled out lol
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No question about it i would want DC on this team just a matter of what we are willing to give and what they are looking for. Somehow if we could manage to get a starting line up of
Rondo
Bradley
Pierce
KG
Cousins.....
Pick and roll offence here we come
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This is the order of events according to Rotowire. He's been up and down all season and some nights he just has seemed to take off. http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nba/1715/demarcus-cousinsoff. Like not even try. Very bizzare behavior and this has been going on all year long.
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I am sure the celtics will call the kings to see what it would take to land cousins
When we get closer to jan 15 theres going to be alot of trade rumors around that time
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If the Lakers can get Howard for nothing, why can't the Celts do the same to get Cousins? ;D
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If the Lakers can get Howard for nothing, why can't the Celts do the same to get Cousins? ;D
Andrew Bynum is nothing?
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If the Lakers can get Howard for nothing, why can't the Celts do the same to get Cousins? ;D
Andrew Bynum is nothing?
a injured Andrew Bynum who aint play a game yet aka damaged goods. also look at wat Orlando got in return lol
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If the Lakers can get Howard for nothing, why can't the Celts do the same to get Cousins? ;D
Andrew Bynum is nothing?
a injured Andrew Bynum who aint play a game yet aka damaged goods. also look at wat Orlando got in return lol
yea, Andrew Bynum in essence is nothing now that the truth about his knees is out
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If the Lakers can get Howard for nothing, why can't the Celts do the same to get Cousins? ;D
Andrew Bynum is nothing?
a injured Andrew Bynum who aint play a game yet aka damaged goods. also look at wat Orlando got in return lol
yea, Andrew Bynum in essence is nothing now that the truth about his knees is out
I don't know if that theory works. The point is at the time of the trade the 76ers thought they were getting something. It was a risk yes, but still.
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To all who say Cousins' minor incidents mean he's being shopped: Rondo's had plenty minor incidents. Does that mean he's being shopped?
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To all who say Cousins' minor incidents mean he's being shopped: Rondo's had plenty minor incidents. Does that mean he's being shopped?
Remind me, when was the last time the Celtics suspended Rondo indefinitely for "unprofessional behavior and conduct detrimental"?
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Doubt they are willing to move him....despite the problems they are having with him, he is a very talented big, and not too many of those around.
If they were entertaining offers, we'd probably have to give up Rondo, as there would be numerous offers, and a collection of medicre talent from us ala Green, Bass, etc wouldn't get it done IMO. And I'm not sure we'd do that....
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To all who say Cousins' minor incidents mean he's being shopped: Rondo's had plenty minor incidents. Does that mean he's being shopped?
We know there were times when Rondo was actively shopped.
I say Danny would and should take the risk with Cousins if he can hang onto Rondo and Bradley.
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To all who say Cousins' minor incidents mean he's being shopped: Rondo's had plenty minor incidents. Does that mean he's being shopped?
Remind me, when was the last time the Celtics suspended Rondo indefinitely for "unprofessional behavior and conduct detrimental"?
I'm not saying Cousins and Rondo have the same issues, but I don't think Cousins is being shopped because of his actions. I think he is being suspended for an unknown amount of time because he's acting like a baby. No need to look further into it. Sacramento isn't giving up on a guy with potential to be the best big in the game.
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As someone pointed out, the Celtics did shop Rondo for the right deal. Except we can't offer a right deal for Cousins, so it's not going to happen, in all likelihood.
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As someone pointed out, the Celtics did shop Rondo for the right deal. Except we can't offer a right deal for Cousins, so it's not going to happen, in all likelihood.
I agree with this. I'm pretty sure Danny said something like, "Right now, we're keeping our options open." That was last year, around February and early March, when we weren't that great. Rondo was on the block, but we weren't looking to dump him by any means.
There is no report that Sacramento is looking to trade Cousins; it's all speculation because he was suspended. I don't really want Cousins here. I don't believe the whole "better environment" argument. It's a shame that a guy with so much talent could be so immature.
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Per Sam Amick
The odds of the latest incident inspiring the Kings to trade Cousins are likely slim, as he is considered the centerpiece of their prolonged rebuilding effort. But a person with knowledge of the Kings' plans said "he's not untouchable," in large part because the 8-18 team is struggling so mightily and all options appear to be under consideration.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/kings/2012/12/22/sacramento-kings-suspend-demarcus-cousins-indefinitely/1786651/
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Per Sam Amick
The odds of the latest incident inspiring the Kings to trade Cousins are likely slim, as he is considered the centerpiece of their prolonged rebuilding effort. But a person with knowledge of the Kings' plans said "he's not untouchable," in large part because the 8-18 team is struggling so mightily and all options appear to be under consideration.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/kings/2012/12/22/sacramento-kings-suspend-demarcus-cousins-indefinitely/1786651/
I doubt a package of Green and Sullinger will be enough. But they may be looking to shed the contracts of Salmons and Outlaw, so I guess it's not impossible to entice them.
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I honestly think demarcus cousins is the best center in the game.
Talent wise perhaps he has the potential to be. Right now he just isnt though.
His FG% is horrible for a center. He lacks any effort or discipline unless he has the ball, and he cant even be bothered putting his hands up on defense. Horrible attitude.
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1. the kings front office is a wreck.
2. the kings this year are a wreck.
3. demarcus cousins over time has been a handful. kings suspending him indefinitely signal their growing lack of patience.
4. cousins trade value is as low as it's ever been.
5. danny's on the phone, even just to check it out.
6. compared to varejao, cousins' trade value is a lot less.
7. he's EXACTLY the kind of guy danny has historically taken a chance on. high talent hasn't put it all together.
8. bradley will eventually get traded as im sure danny's worried about his shoulders over the long term. other teams would take the chance on him no doubt.
9. if danny were to trade for cousins, it would probably have to include bradley.
10. kings arent interested in sullinger as they have a PF of their own in thomas robinson.
11. if there we a trade it would include sacramento giving up jimmer fredette in a package with cousins, because fredette has been a disappointment in sacramento.
12. the kings arent a very smart franchise, therefore they trade with an emphasis on position rather than talent. and quantity rather than quality.
13. so they want a center: fab melo. they want an ounce of talent: avery bradley.
14. they are a business and they want a new face of the franchise: avery is that guy, but also they want an established player who is relatively young. now i personally would turn this part of the deal down, but the kings arent very smart, and danny is a master salesman - he talks to them about inconsistency - and they take the gamble on jeff green.
15: danny gives them quantity rather than quality so he throws in brandon bass. thus giving the kings a whole new makeover (at least superficially).
16. danny like defense so he takes chuck hayes, danny likes tyreke evans, so he takes him too, but throws in a basically unprotected draft pick.
17.
FINAL TRADE: (which i wouldnt do if i were the kings, but the kings would do because they are the kings, and basically dont know how to run a team):
BOSTON GIVES:
Avery Bradley
Jeff Green
Brandon Bass
Fab Melo
1st round draft pick
SACRAMENTO GIVES:
Chuck Hayes
Jimmer Fredette
Tyreke Evans
Demarcus Cousins
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To all who say Cousins' minor incidents mean he's being shopped: Rondo's had plenty minor incidents. Does that mean he's being shopped?
Remind me, when was the last time the Celtics suspended Rondo indefinitely for "unprofessional behavior and conduct detrimental"?
Yes, comparing DMC's behaviour to anything Rondo has done in the past is disproportionate.
The third-year big man had a verbal altercation with coach Keith Smart during halftime of the Kings' loss at the Clippers on Friday and was left in the locker room for the entire second half as a result. Two people with knowledge of the incident told USA TODAY Sports that nothing of a physical nature occurred between Cousins and his coach and that the yelling went back and forth between both men. Cousins, according to one of the people, used extensive profanity while sharing his latest frustrations. The people spoke to USA TODAY Sports on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the situation.
Source: www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/kings/2012/12/22/sacramento-kings-suspend-demarcus-cousins-indefinitely/1786651/
DMC would benefit greatly from being KG's understudy. I dare say Doc has the people skills to manage him better than anyone on the Kings' staff. Personally, I think he is just frustrated at being on a losing team. Sactown youngblood Thomas Robinson might also qualify as the frontcourt badass the Cs are looking for.
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Yes!
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I would go after him . But, not at the expense of losing the KIDS...Sully ,FAB and AB.
Dump Green , Lee, Bass, JET, Collins, Barbosa , maybe KJ.
or Trade ROndo for Cousins.
COusins is more valuable than Rondo. We still have AB and can get another guard....without a lottery pick, the Celtics willnever get a BIG of COusins talent.
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Rondo is "immature" but we want cousins? no thanks don't want to be the kings east
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I would go after him . But, not at the expense of losing the KIDS...Sully ,FAB and AB.
Dump Green , Lee, Bass, JET, Collins, Barbosa , maybe KJ.
or Trade ROndo for Cousins.
COusins is more valuable than Rondo. We still have AB and can get another guard....without a lottery pick, the Celtics willnever get a BIG of COusins talent.
wow yeah I'm just about done with this forum...don't give up sully or fab but give up rondo for a guy who's been nothing but a headache bum in the league! my God. most absurd thing I've ever read. Rondo is a rising superstar, one of the best guards in the league, a playoff stud...and cousins can't improve the worst team In the league and his own team suspends him...that and fab and sully are extremely expendable compared to rondo
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I honestly think demarcus cousins is the best center in the game.
I think his potiental is lights out ... he can run circles around Howard , if he can be made to harness his energy.
He has unlimited energy, he is hungry to ply well. the fight is in him and is alot like a younger KG. ... just out of control.
He is a franchise player for the Celtics, somebody to replace KG ... he would be the CELTICS lottery pick. STEAL of the DECADE
Thrown in with KG , PP and AB or Rondo ... this would be the inside game, tuffness, missed when Shaq and Perk left.
GO DANNY GO!!!
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I honestly think demarcus cousins is the best center in the game.
I think his potiental is lights out ... he can run circles around Howard , if he can be made to harness his energy.
He has unlimited energy, he is hungry to ply well. the fight is in him and is alot like a younger KG. ... just out of control.
He is a franchise player for the Celtics, somebody to replace KG ... he would be the CELTICS lottery pick. STEAL of the DECADE
Thrown in with KG , PP and AB or Rondo ... this would be the inside game, tuffness, missed when Shaq and Perk left.
GO DANNY GO!!!
lol he's the biggest malcontent I've ever seen and not a winner. spare me.
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Out of all the players supposedly on the trade block, I think DMC is the most attainable and I think he would fill the Celtics biggest need for the short term AND long term
Because the Kings aren't going to be relevant anytime soon and seem fed up with Cousins, I think Danny can swoop in pry him away.
I do think you would have to include Bradley in a deal, BUT so be it. I think Rondo and Cousins would be dynamic in the fast break. PLUS, I think the Celtics could use a player with some attitude and he brings that.
I would be all for Cousins in Celtic green.
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lol he's the biggest malcontent I've ever seen and not a winner. spare me.
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Honestly, being a malcontent is meaningless to me as long as the player can help the Celtics win. Wasn't DJ considered a "malcontent" before the Celts traded for him back in the 80s? I'd say that worked out fairly well.
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I honestly think demarcus cousins is the best center in the game.
Have you ever watched him play ::)? He guy can flat play , and he is type of bargain DA would risk.
Celtics won't have many chances for a talent this good. You gotta be kiddin if you think this guy can't ball/
I think his potiental is lights out ... he can run circles around Howard , if he can be made to harness his energy.
He has unlimited energy, he is hungry to ply well. the fight is in him and is alot like a younger KG. ... just out of control.
He is a franchise player for the Celtics, somebody to replace KG ... he would be the CELTICS lottery pick. STEAL of the DECADE
Thrown in with KG , PP and AB or Rondo ... this would be the inside game, tuffness, missed when Shaq and Perk left.
GO DANNY GO!!!
lol he's the biggest malcontent I've ever seen and not a winner. spare me.
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I honestly think demarcus cousins is the best center in the game.
I think his potiental is lights out ... he can run circles around Howard , if he can be made to harness his energy.
He has unlimited energy, he is hungry to ply well. the fight is in him and is alot like a younger KG. ... just out of control.
He is a franchise player for the Celtics, somebody to replace KG ... he would be the CELTICS lottery pick. STEAL of the DECADE
Thrown in with KG , PP and AB or Rondo ... this would be the inside game, tuffness, missed when Shaq and Perk left.
GO DANNY GO!!!
lol he's the biggest malcontent I've ever seen and not a winner. spare me.
Have you ever watched him play ::)? He guy can flat play , and he is type of bargain DA would risk.
Celtics won't have many chances for a talent this good. You gotta be kiddin if you think this guy can't ball/
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Quick Fab Melo just went off, strike while the time is right.
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Boston sends: Green, Lee, Sullinger, Melo, pick
Sacramento sends: Cousins, Evans, Salmons
Would SAC do it?
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Boston sends: Green, Lee, Sullinger, Melo, pick
Sacramento sends: Cousins, Evans, Salmons
Would SAC do it?
Never, including Evans in the deal is just silly. Take out Lee and Evans and I feel like we would be getting close. That is of course if Green improves his play and Fab Melo also keeps having great games in the D-league.
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Lee Bass Melo 2013 first round and maybe even throw in a 2014+ 2nd round we are owed(pretty sure we are owed one by someone arent we?)
BOS get run DMC Salmons (/other bad contract)
Bos then have a future of Rondo Bradley Green DMC Sully.....
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Seems like Who was on the money with only a couple day suspension. This is the latest update on Rotowire.
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nba/1715/demarcus-cousins
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I would be all for it. I feel like KG could get to this kid say listen be intense as you want on the floor and make sure everyone knows it but you need to keep your head on straight outside of the game. He would be an amazing pickup right now if Boston could get thier hands on him.
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In the past I would've been against bringing him in, but desperate times call for desperate measures.
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If we can keep PP/KG/RR/AB and get Cousins we should do it. I'd love to trade Evans too but it seems like blatant homerism to think we could net Cousins AND Evans for none of our great players.
...but if Danny can do it :)
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lol he's the biggest malcontent I've ever seen and not a winner. spare me.
Honestly, being a malcontent is meaningless to me as long as the player can help the Celtics win. Wasn't DJ considered a "malcontent" before the Celts traded for him back in the 80s? I'd say that worked out fairly well.
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This.
Yes DJ was called a "cancer" by his former Sonics coach, can't remember who. If we could possibly get him....then get him if it doesn't involve Rondo (but it would probably have to, at which point we'd really need to assess all the other parts of the deal).
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Dennis won a ring there and was a key part to them winning in 79. You do know he came here with some hardware.
Johnson and the Sonics got their revenge in the 1978–79 season. After clinching the Pacific Division with a 52–30 record,[9] the team met the Bullets again in the 1979 NBA Finals. After losing Game 1, the Sonics won the next four games to take the finals series, helped by Johnson, who averaged almost 23 points along with six rebounds and assists per game.[13] He scored 32 points in a Game 4 overtime victory, and was named NBA Finals MVP.[1] It was during this season that Johnson established himself as one of the best guards in the league; he averaged 15.9 points and 3.5 assists per game, and made his first All-Defensive First Team and All-Star Game appearance.[3]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Johnson
I think Dennis was the fall guy in Seattle.
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I'm going to have to defend Cousins here. Keith Smart's coaching this year has been disastrous for the Kings. The problem with DMC being the guy to stand up to this inferior coach is that Cousins has no credibility because of his apst troubles.
I don't see the Kings trading Cousins for a pu pu platter of middling rotation guys like Green, Lee and Bass. Their roster is filled with guys like that already. They'd probably want younger guys with big upside like Favors or something like Ed Davis and Jonas Valanciunas from Toronto.
Every GM in the league knows that DCM has top of the league talent at his position. Someone will be willing to gamble some assets to see if he can do a Zach Randolph and turn things around for his next team.
If Rondo isn't on the table, (and I hope he isn't), I don't see the Cs having the top level young assets to entice Petrie.
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Two first rounders along with Green and Melo or Sully maybe. I don't think we have enough pieces but if we include multiple picks maybe it'll work?
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I seriously doubt Cousins gets traded. He should, but won't. Usually teams wait too long, hoping the player "gets it". By then the trade value is completely gone.
As it stands now, only a fool for a GM would give up supreme young talent to acquire Cousins. If the deal doesn't' pan out, you're fired.
Bradley, Sullinger, Melo might be one of the better offers they get.
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After some thought and reflection I decided that I'd move Bradley to bring in Cousins. Centers are just too rare in this league to not chance getting a top flight one.
I think if SAC is willing to consider Green/Bass/AB/1st for Cousins/Salmons/Thompson then we should do the deal. That gives them two young guys to build around, Bass and a future pick for a knucklehead and a good bench big and a bad contract.
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Throw me in the camp that believes its more than a bad situation kind of thing with Cousins. Dude's just a flat out loose cannon and he'd probably turn KG's skin inside out if he had to spend any amount of time around this nut.
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The reason you don't trade for Cousins is that you'd have to gut our roster of all its valuable youth and trade pieces for a guy who might submarine your entire franchise.
You don't take risks like that unless you are DESPERATE for fans and attention. The Celtics do not fall into that category.
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The reason you don't trade for Cousins is that you'd have to gut our roster of all its valuable youth and trade pieces for a guy who might submarine your entire franchise.
You don't take risks like that unless you are DESPERATE for fans and attention. The Celtics do not fall into that category.
Those "assets" can be easily replaced by future draft picks in the 20-25 range. Cousins wouldn't be the first NBA player who benefited from a change of scenery. I find it unlikely that he would submarine the entire Celtics franchise, at least in the period of time where Kevin Garnett is still breathing. If he didn't work out here, he could then be moved for some more of those same middling assets that brought him here.
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But I'm shocked how many seem to think he'd be a good fit w/ Rondo. I think they'd struggle, as I see them as two players you run your offense through. And not running through them means you're not getting the best of each player, which especially hurts Rondo who doesn't seem to have a 3 point shot, and I can't remember the last time I saw him catch & shoot.
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what I find funny is how many people have said getting Cousins here and surrounding with vets (or working with KG) will straighten him out. How many times did Danny bring in someone else's problems only to have them not work out:
Sheed: infected the team with the 'only the postseason matters' mentality
JO: not exactly a hustler on the court when he was here.
POB: dogged it bigtime
kid has talent but any thoughts that this team will straighten out his issues is unfounded speculation
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JO: not exactly a hustler on the court when he was here.
Um, Jermaine O'Neal has never had attitude problems. His problem was he was never healthy, and wasn't exactly able to play through this. Don't make things up.
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I'm going to have to defend Cousins here. Keith Smart's coaching this year has been disastrous for the Kings. The problem with DMC being the guy to stand up to this inferior coach is that Cousins has no credibility because of his apst troubles.
Bah! [dang] thing just ate my post. I hate it when that happens.
I had a long post agreeing 1000%.
From the sounds of what happened, I think the odds are strong that Keith Smart had a big role to play in Cousins' outburst. That he mishandled the situation and it led to this problem. That his man-management was poor and that he choose the wrong time to start in on Cousins. Especially given what was happening in that game. All the problems (effort related) other players on that team were having in that game.
And it's not a new thing for Smart. It's a continuation of problems he has had with Tyreke Evans and Steph Curry. So that is three young star players in about 2 full seasons that Smart has had issues with now. That he has had problems handling and developing adequately.
I don't think Smart is well-suited to teaching a young team like Sacramento. I thought the Kings made a terrible decision bringing him back last summer and I believe he is part of the problem there. As well as their front office + ownership + the worst constructed roster in the league that makes life extremely difficult for both Cousins and Tyreke; their two star talents.
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what I find funny is how many people have said getting Cousins here and surrounding with vets (or working with KG) will straighten him out. How many times did Danny bring in someone else's problems only to have them not work out:
Sheed: infected the team with the 'only the postseason matters' mentality
JO: not exactly a hustler on the court when he was here.
POB: dogged it bigtime
kid has talent but any thoughts that this team will straighten out his issues is unfounded speculation
Lol. Well it kind of worked, getting within minutes of a championship. And I firmly believe we raise 18 in 2010 with Perk still there (or even 'Sheed good enough in the second half..... or getting Stern'd in the 4th).
But I see your point, this team has since been night and day in the regular season and playoffs.
Still, a guy like Cousins has such an overwhelming reward that he is worth the great risk. I believe Doc and Garnett could keep his ego/temper in check. And if his head gets straightened out, he could be the best center in the league.
I'd pretty much gut the team for him. AB, Green, Sully, Lee, Melo, picks, cash...anybody not named KG, Pierce, or Rondo.
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JO: not exactly a hustler on the court when he was here.
Um, Jermaine O'Neal has never had attitude problems. His problem was he was never healthy, and wasn't exactly able to play through this. Don't make things up.
he wasn't healthy and he didn't exactly push himself to get back on the court either. to me, that's an issue. I want a player that will play through the bumps and bruises.
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what I find funny is how many people have said getting Cousins here and surrounding with vets (or working with KG) will straighten him out. How many times did Danny bring in someone else's problems only to have them not work out:
Sheed: infected the team with the 'only the postseason matters' mentality
JO: not exactly a hustler on the court when he was here.
POB: dogged it bigtime
kid has talent but any thoughts that this team will straighten out his issues is unfounded speculation
Lol. Well it kind of worked, getting within minutes of a championship. And I firmly believe we raise 18 in 2010 with Perk still there (or even 'Sheed good enough in the second half..... or getting Stern'd in the 4th).
But I see your point, this team has since been night and day in the regular season and playoffs.
Still, a guy like Cousins has such an overwhelming reward that he is worth the great risk. I believe Doc and Garnett could keep his ego/temper in check. And if his head gets straightened out, he could be the best center in the league.
I'd pretty much gut the team for him. AB, Green, Sully, Lee, Melo, picks, cash...anybody not named KG, Pierce, or Rondo.
I understand the attraction to his skillset and potential but I wouldn't gut the team for him. still need to have some talent to put with him. If I could, I'd keep Sully to go with him because I think they'd do well together. Sully's got a complete game except for athleticism. I think Cousins could help minimize that issue on D covering for Sully when it comes to rotations. On O, Cousins supposedly is a decent passer (haven't seen it, just going off the input of others here) and that would work very well with Sully.
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I'd maybe give up Sully/Green for him call it a dy. Maybe throw in Bradley.
I'm sorry this guy is a clown. He's always had problems and it will be years before he gets his stuff together. Fab and Sully are his age and both busting their humps to be on this teams. Cousins is a joke
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I'd maybe give up Sully/Green for him call it a dy. Maybe throw in Bradley.
I'm sorry this guy is a clown. He's always had problems and it will be years before he gets his stuff together. Fab and Sully are his age and both busting their humps to be on this teams. Cousins is a joke
Well, I'd love that have this 6-11 270 lb "joke" that has averaged 16 PPG and 9.6 RPG in 3 NBA seasons and is just 22. And bigs take longer to develop than other positions.
Just remember that if he didn't have his maturity issues he would be one of the most untouchable guys in the league. The only reason we can even dream of having this "clown" on our team for the next decade is because of it.
So I ask you the following, if he were able to mature and turn it around because he's flanked by our vets and coach, wouldn't the upside be incredible? That's the upside you're looking for. That's the kind of franchise changing player you seek. That's the reason you make a move for him.
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I wish people would stop calling Cousins a savior and stop calling him a goat. The truth is he's probably somewhere inbetween. He's got a ton of potential and he plays the position that is most difficult to fill effectively. He's been on a bad team, in a bad organization and with other knuckleheads for 2 years.
That being said I won't trade Rondo for him. I just yesterday came to decide that I'd move Bradley for him, but that would be in lieu of pick(s).
If the Kings want to move Cousins we should be willing and judicious buyers. If they don't then we should look at a serious blockbuster:
Josh Smith
Pau Gasol
Amare Stoudemire
If those don't pan out we should try the next tier of big guys on the radar:
Marcin Gortat
Al Jefferson
Paul Millsap
Anderson Varejao
and if all of those efforts fail we should make a play for:
Robin Lopez
Larry Sanders
Jason Thompson
I personally think the Celtics should seriously consider the blockbuster to acquire Amare Stoudemire. Stoudemire would let Garnett play his natural PF position and Garnett would cover up some of Stoudemire's defensive deficiencies. His contract also expires with KGs so the Celtics could have insane cap space when they come off the books together (assuming neither is traded as an expiring). The reason I think this trade could pan out is that the Knicks are motivated sellers. We could possibly trade Green/Bass/Lee and a rookie for Amare/Brewer/Shumpert. We wouldn't have to trade all of our depth for talent necessarily.
My main point is that Cousins isn't the only target but he definitely should be one target. Let's not move Rondo or even assume that we have to move AB to improve our team. There are a lot of avenues and our players aren't chopped liver.
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Hey would you guys trade Bradley, Sullinger and 2 unprotected 1st rounders for Cousins?
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Hey would you guys trade Bradley, Sullinger and 2 unprotected 1st rounders for Cousins?
I'd rather move a vet and/or Melo than both AB and Sully. Melo basically becomes unnecessary with Cousins. I'd also like to have at least a couple of young players that should continue to develop. moving AB, Sully AND 2 1st rounders doesn't leave us with much in the way of cheap incoming talent that could be developed into rotation players.
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After watching the game last night and comments from Kings people. I don't think they will let him go yet .... at least ofr a reasonable deal that DA would go for. DA loves bargain shopping.
I think its gonna take at least ONE MORE nice sized Cousins screwup to get him traded .
Given the HEADACHE team and owners he plays for ...its gonna happen.
I still think , just like D HOWARD , the fans and owership are willing to tolerate way more of his awkward situations than alot of franchises would.
I'd say Danny is locked and loaded to dump Bass, Green , Lee, Collins to get a nice Center.