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Title: Dear Santa: Please bring me one of these Jeff Green trades....
Post by: ssspence on December 22, 2012, 09:34:02 AM
Here are Jeff Green trades I'd make on January 16th with every team in the league, except for notable rivals -- the Knicks, Brooklyn, Miami and the Lakers. I'm assuming picks, cash and other small items could be involved in either direction. In most cases I'm shooting low, but a lot of teams would reject these anyway, because Jeff Green is terrible:

East ~

ATL: Pachulia and Stevenson for Green

CHA: Warrick, Reggie Williams and Jeff Taylor for Green

CHI: Rip and Kirk Hinrich for Green

CLE: Boobie Gibson and Casspi for Green

DET: Prince and Daye for Green

IND: Gerald Green and Augustin for Green

MIL: Udoh and Dunleavy for Green

ORL: Turkoglu and Ayon for Green and Bass

PHI: Dorell Wright and Kwame Brown for Green

TOR: Amir Johnson, Lucas and Pietrus for Green

WAS: Okefor and Martell Webster for Green and Bass

West ~

DAL: Shawn Marion for Green

DEN: Chandler and Mozgov for Green

GSW: Jarrett Jack, Brandon Rush and Festus Ezeli for Green and Wilcox

HOU: Delfino and Royce White for Green

LAC: Odom, Hollins and Matt Barnes for Green

MEM: Speights, Ellington and Pondexter for Green

MIN: Brandon Roy, Steimsma and Cunningham for Green and Barbosa

NOH: Robin Lopez and Aminu for Green and Collins

OKC: Perk for Green (sorry -- couldn't help myself)

PHX: Wesley Johnson and Dudley for Green

POR: Hickson, Babbitt and Jeffries for Green

SAC: Aaron Brooks, Francisco Garcia and Chuck Hayes for Green and Bass

SAN: Can't create one -- they're not stupid enough to take him

UTA: Millsap and Earl Watson for Green, Melo and a 1st





Title: Re: Dear Santa: Please bring me one of these Jeff Green trades....
Post by: Who on December 22, 2012, 10:14:52 AM
Eastern Conference

I the trades with the following teams make us worse = Atlanta, Charlotte, Chicago, Cleveland, Indiana, Milwaukee, Orlando.

I don't think Toronto can trade us Pietrus. Amir Johnson for Jeff Green. I am not really comfortable with that. I would be more interested in moving Brandon Bass for Amir Johnson. A like for like position wise. I don't think I trade J.Green for Amir.

Kwame Brown and Dorell Wright is an interesting trade package. I like both players. Kwame's interior defense off the bench would be valuable. Dorell Wright is a nice offensive player off the pine. He couldn't guard LeBron if his depended on it but he could go on Battier / Rashard.

Tayshaun Prince would be a huge upgrade over Jeff Green. I would absolutely love Danny Ainge to find a way to make this happen. I would pursue this trade idea very strongly. This is my favourite trade package in the East.

West

There are a lot more good trade ideas in the West than the East. No interest in the Sacramento or Portland trades. They make the Celtics worse.

I don't think Dallas would give up Marion and trade for Green. Marion still considerably more valuable and Dallas have been very risk-adverse contract wise since the new CBA. I don't think this has a chance. Ditto with Utah and Paul Millsap.

I would be very surprised if Denver moved W.Chandler and T.Mozgov for J.Green. Chandler is already better than Green. And then they throw Mozgov on top? Struggling to see that one.

Ezeli, B.Rush and J.Jack is a very good trade package for Jeff Green. I'd happily accept that. Very impressed with Ezeli and I'd love to have him here. Brandon Rush is darn fine backup SG/SF but he has a long term injury. I would be surprised if Golden State had any interest in Jeff Green at his pay level with Harrison Barnes there.

Jared Dudley for Green is very tempting. A more limited player but the guy knows his role and sticks to it. Very good backup SF. Very similar to James Posey. Maybe the most similar in the league. A poor man's Posey (less physical talent + possession creation + high end defensive ability = why Dudley is a poor man's version of Posey). 

Robin Lopez has impressed me the few times I have seen New Orleans play. He has had a very up and down career so far but he has great size and a good skill-set. Yeah, I could see a trade being built around R.Lopez for J.Green. I don't think you'll get Aminu too though.

I don't think Memphis will take on Green's contract. Too expensive. Already have Rudy Gay. I don't think the Clippers break up their 2nd unit which has been incredible for them this season.

No interest in B.Roy. Stiemsma and D.Cunningham is an interesting low end trade package for J.Green. Not sure it'd be enough but I would give it some consideration.

I don't trade J.Green for C.Delfino. I don't want to take a chance on Royce White. I think he is a trouble maker and a opportunist who isn't interested in his basketball career.

Summary

The Tayshaun Prince for Jeff Green idea was my favourite. I think that is a great idea. I could easily see Detroit being interested in swapping the older Pierce for a younger guy like Jeff Green who can play and grow alongside guys like Stuckey, Knight, Monroe and Drummond. That is a long term move that could benefit Detroit. And short term it's brilliant for Boston.
Title: Re: Dear Santa: Please bring me one of these Jeff Green trades....
Post by: ssspence on December 22, 2012, 11:20:44 AM
Thanks for the input, Who. Understand it was tough to come up with non-homer deals across all teams. So I agree with you on a number of fronts. Example: I'm not excited by the Houston deal at all, though they're below the cap so we could take back something smaller. Ditto for Orlando, LAC and a few others.

I think Aminu's value is pretty low. I like him for D and rebounding behind Pierce, and I suspect he can be signed cheap next summer. Maybe adding Melo to the deal makes it more interesting for them.

I agree about Golden State, both the quality of the deal and the lack of their likely interest.

Chandler has had a pretty rough road in Denver. They have no use for Green, but really have no use for Chandler either. I assume they'd be more interested in moving him than Brewer when you look at their contracts across the roster -- at least in a deal for Green.

I disagree regarding Amir Johnson. I would happily take him for Green. Then trade Bass elsewhere if you get him. Don't care about the addition of Pietrus.

I like the Charlotte and Bucks trades more than you do.

I'd like to see Udoh with Garnett. Dunleavy can come in and chuck behind Pierce, and Lee can play a little SF against smaller teams. Dunleavy could be an asset at the deadline.

I like Jeff Taylor -- sort of a San Antonio type of guy. Productive D and shooting on the cheap. Could be a Celt for a long time. Adding a couple of expendable contracts like Warrick will increase out chance of netting a sought after player like Gortat at the deadline. Say, Warrick, Sully and a 1st for Marcin. I'd rather have Gortat and Taylor than Sully an Green.

And yes -- I agree with you in Prince. Two bad contracts with obvious situational swapping justifiability. Seems to make sense for both, and a simple trade to execute.

Title: Re: Dear Santa: Please bring me one of these Jeff Green trades....
Post by: dreamgreen on December 22, 2012, 11:26:25 AM
WAS + UTAH are the only deals I would do. Jeff Green is not the problem, in fact IMO he needs more minutes and needs more plays drawn up for him. This team needs a big that can rebound and defend the rim, KG wants to play 20' from the rim so that forces us to get ----> Verajo.  :)
Title: Re: Dear Santa: Please bring me one of these Jeff Green trades....
Post by: tmcdon on December 22, 2012, 11:41:32 AM
I agree with dream!  Jeff green played 10min LESS than KG last night and out performed him (at minimum in points) and played better than Bass or Sully.  Green is a solid starter on this team should Pierce be hobbled by injury and/or his inevitable retirement.

Jeff Green aint the problem.

The defensive lapses are the issue here, and while this is a bitter pill at the moment I wouldn't overreact by trading anyone at this point unless you pick a solid frontcourt (center), or by some miracle we could bring in a Kevin Love guy and Green HAD to be included.   

 
Title: Re: Dear Santa: Please bring me one of these Jeff Green trades....
Post by: pearljammer10 on December 22, 2012, 11:41:56 AM
Like Wash and the Clippers trade.

Odom, Barnes, and Hollins would really help us out nicely.

Rondo/Terry
Bradley/Lee
Pierce/Odom/Barnes
Bass/Odom/Sully
KG/Wilcox/Hollins

Still lacks the center we need though.
Title: Re: Dear Santa: Please bring me one of these Jeff Green trades....
Post by: ssspence on December 22, 2012, 12:12:03 PM
I agree it would be nice to add a center, but they tend to be the most valuable assets, and Green's trade value is low.

This concept that the Cs have just one problem to fix is rooted in fantasy. But, a number of these Green deals would bring us assets more likely to help in the pursuit of a good big, as well.
Title: Re: Dear Santa: Please bring me one of these Jeff Green trades....
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on December 22, 2012, 12:17:48 PM
Jack, Rush, Ezeli for Green? I'm not sure Dubs would do that especially how Ezeli is playing.

Although, Jeff Green, Chris Wilcox for Beans' contract, DRAYMOND GREEN and a filler, yeah give it to me.

I understand that Beidrins is a shell of his 2009 self, but he's servicable, legit 7'0", will still block a few shots. But man that Draymond Green guy, that's what we need. Energy, toughness, confidence, don't matter if he's shooting a bad %, he'll bring you 100% effort any night. Then maybe add Jeremy Tyler as a filler, kid's got great footwork but still a work in progress. He's gonna enjoy KG's tutelage.
Title: Re: Dear Santa: Please bring me one of these Jeff Green trades....
Post by: cman88 on December 22, 2012, 12:19:44 PM
im not sure why everone is so obsessed with trading green...when you give him 25-30minutes a night he performs..besides, we have no other legit backup for pierce

I thought he played well last night...if anything I would explore trades packaging Bass/Lee 
Title: Re: Dear Santa: Please bring me one of these Jeff Green trades....
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on December 22, 2012, 12:25:51 PM
im not sure why everone is so obsessed with trading green...when you give him 25-30minutes a night he performs..besides, we have no other legit backup for pierce

I thought he played well last night...if anything I would explore trades packaging Bass/Lee

He's the biggest trade chip. His potential and track record in OKC could land us a solid player. I don't want to trade him either but if it means landing a big name big man who can help us to get to another level, it's sad, but he'd need to be traded.
Title: Re: Dear Santa: Please bring me one of these Jeff Green trades....
Post by: Rtpas11 on December 22, 2012, 12:49:02 PM
POR: Hickson, Babbitt and Jeffries for Green

 ??? lol

hickson for Jeff Green str8 up isn't even a good enough deal for Portland.  ;D

I rather:

Green, Lee, Bass, for Ryan Anderson, Roger Mason & Picks

Title: Re: Dear Santa: Please bring me one of these Jeff Green trades....
Post by: ssspence on December 22, 2012, 12:57:35 PM
POR: Hickson, Babbitt and Jeffries for Green

 ??? lol

hickson for Jeff Green str8 up isn't even a good enough deal for Portland.  ;D

I rather:

Green, Lee, Bass, for Ryan Anderson, Roger Mason & Picks


Your trade suggestion is far more lopsided than the one you question.
Title: Re: Dear Santa: Please bring me one of these Jeff Green trades....
Post by: xmuscularghandix on December 22, 2012, 01:25:08 PM
I trade Bass, Lee, and Terry before I traded Jeff Green.
Title: Re: Dear Santa: Please bring me one of these Jeff Green trades....
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on December 22, 2012, 01:47:26 PM
If we part with Jeff Green -

Can someone PLEASE tell me who will then backup Paul Pierce?

My guess is that Jeff Green has played a significant part in Paul Pierces' resurgence here lately due to him backing up the Captain.

I'm starting to believe that this team does have some needs...if things don't change in late Jan early Feb with AB's return, I'd agree with some roster changes -

but NOT for Paul Pierce's backup.

If Pierce is going to be our Primary offensive weapon, with the way it's looking, then I'd want a quality backup behind him, and Jeff Green is it.

Please, Danny - don't shoot BOS in the leg by trading Jeff Green. Might as well blow it up, then. No one else is going to be dumb enough to give us any quality SF back in return with any Jeff Green trade.

What we'd be doing, I'm afraid, is playing Whack-A-Mole, lol...plugging one hole (a trade package involving Green), and getting back a decent Big (Gortat, JSmith, maybe?) - only to have a hole at backup SF.

There is not an Auerbachian answer for this, I'm afraid. I'm hopeful that AB's return to playing form in late Jan/early Feb will turn things around, but if they don't then I'm sure this team will look a bit different come trade time.

But, IMO, if Jeff Green is touched, then we might as well go nuclear with this team, I'm thinking.
Title: Re: Dear Santa: Please bring me one of these Jeff Green trades....
Post by: ssspence on December 22, 2012, 02:02:13 PM
If we part with Jeff Green -

Can someone PLEASE tell me who will then backup Paul Pierce?

My guess is that Jeff Green has played a significant part in Paul Pierces' resurgence here lately due to him backing up the Captain.

I'm starting to believe that this team does have some needs...if things don't change in late Jan early Feb with AB's return, I'd agree with some roster changes -

but NOT for Paul Pierce's backup.

If Pierce is going to be our Primary offensive weapon, with the way it's looking, then I'd want a quality backup behind him, and Jeff Green is it.

Please, Danny - don't shoot BOS in the leg by trading Jeff Green. Might as well blow it up, then. No one else is going to be dumb enough to give us any quality SF back in return with any Jeff Green trade.

What we'd be doing, I'm afraid, is playing Whack-A-Mole, lol...plugging one hole (a trade package involving Green), and getting back a decent Big (Gortat, JSmith, maybe?) - only to have a hole at backup SF.

There is not an Auerbachian answer for this, I'm afraid. I'm hopeful that AB's return to playing form in late Jan/early Feb will turn things around, but if they don't then I'm sure this team will look a bit different come trade time.

But, IMO, if Jeff Green is touched, then we might as well go nuclear with this team, I'm thinking.

A number of the trades include a replacement for Green.

I think the notion that trading an inconsistent bench player requires blowing up the whole team is absurd.

If Pierce is going to play the majority of minutes at the 3 -- a given as far as i'm concerned -- then i'd rather have an impact scorer, shooter or defender behind him. Green's none of these.
Title: Re: Dear Santa: Please bring me one of these Jeff Green trades....
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on December 22, 2012, 02:09:59 PM
I'm sorry, ssspence...out of your list of possible trades for Jeff Green and possible returns, I do so see several packages I like, admittedly. But none of them return a quality, proven SF - and one that would willingly come off the bench for Pierce.

IMO, we're stuck with Jeff Green, and I for one love it. Yeah, he's getting paid a lot to assumedly not do too much, but he's been helpful for Pierce. He's shown flashes of brilliance (OKC game, a few others), and I'd hope that in any future trades he's not touched.

As much as I love Bass...sadly I think he could be the one to go. We've been getting murdered on the boards. I'm hoping that Rondo's belief (and ours) in AB's return could turn things around, but if they don't we REALLY need Jeff Green here in BOS.
Title: Re: Dear Santa: Please bring me one of these Jeff Green trades....
Post by: vinnie on December 22, 2012, 02:23:17 PM
im not sure why everone is so obsessed with trading green...when you give him 25-30minutes a night he performs..besides, we have no other legit backup for pierce

I thought he played well last night...if anything I would explore trades packaging Bass/Lee

He has never consistently produced in this league except for one stretch with OKC. He is what he is: a soft, inconsistent player. If they can get value for him, they should not hesitate.
Title: Re: Dear Santa: Please bring me one of these Jeff Green trades....
Post by: LarBrd33 on December 22, 2012, 02:26:51 PM
woah.  Some of those are really bad.  Trading our backup SF for more undersized guards doesn't make a lick of sense. 

Jeff's our 4th best player he's just stuck playing behind our 2nd best player (Pierce).  If we can trade him it would have to be for a starting big.  Otherwise we're better off just hanging onto him and waiting for Pierce to retire.
Title: Re: Dear Santa: Please bring me one of these Jeff Green trades....
Post by: ssspence on December 22, 2012, 02:48:46 PM
woah.  Some of those are really bad.  Trading our backup SF for more undersized guards doesn't make a lick of sense. 

Jeff's our 4th best player he's just stuck playing behind our 2nd best player (Pierce).  If we can trade him it would have to be for a starting big.  Otherwise we're better off just hanging onto him and waiting for Pierce to retire.

you mean our 4th highest paid player, i presume. he's not even close to being our 4th most productive player.
Title: Re: Dear Santa: Please bring me one of these Jeff Green trades....
Post by: ssspence on December 22, 2012, 02:56:33 PM
I'm sorry, ssspence...out of your list of possible trades for Jeff Green and possible returns, I do so see several packages I like, admittedly. But none of them return a quality, proven SF - and one that would willingly come off the bench for Pierce.

IMO, we're stuck with Jeff Green, and I for one love it. Yeah, he's getting paid a lot to assumedly not do too much, but he's been helpful for Pierce. He's shown flashes of brilliance (OKC game, a few others), and I'd hope that in any future trades he's not touched.

As much as I love Bass...sadly I think he could be the one to go. We've been getting murdered on the boards. I'm hoping that Rondo's belief (and ours) in AB's return could turn things around, but if they don't we REALLY need Jeff Green here in BOS.

Got it -- Green fan. No problem with that. I hope he works out too.

I just want to point out that Marion, Prince, Wright, Dudley, Webster, Chandler, Delfino, Barnes, Garcia and Dunleavy are all proven NBA 3s. A couple of younger players -- Aminu and Taylor, for example -- have shown they can play in the league, particularly on the defensive end. None are perfect, but all could back up PP for 15 minutes a game, and some of them have situational skills the Green simply doesn't -- like outstanding shooting, or excellent man defense.

Just sayin'...


Title: Re: Dear Santa: Please bring me one of these Jeff Green trades....
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on December 22, 2012, 03:15:10 PM
I'm sorry, ssspence...out of your list of possible trades for Jeff Green and possible returns, I do so see several packages I like, admittedly. But none of them return a quality, proven SF - and one that would willingly come off the bench for Pierce.

IMO, we're stuck with Jeff Green, and I for one love it. Yeah, he's getting paid a lot to assumedly not do too much, but he's been helpful for Pierce. He's shown flashes of brilliance (OKC game, a few others), and I'd hope that in any future trades he's not touched.

As much as I love Bass...sadly I think he could be the one to go. We've been getting murdered on the boards. I'm hoping that Rondo's belief (and ours) in AB's return could turn things around, but if they don't we REALLY need Jeff Green here in BOS.

Got it -- Green fan. No problem with that. I hope he works out too.

I just want to point out that Marion, Prince, Wright, Dudley, Webster, Chandler, Delfino, Barnes, Garcia and Dunleavy are all proven NBA 3s. A couple of younger players -- Aminu and Taylor, for example -- have shown they can play in the league, particularly on the defensive end. None are perfect, but all could back up PP for 15 minutes a game, and some of them have situational skills the Green simply doesn't -- like outstanding shooting, or excellent man defense.

Just sayin'...

Good points, all...but no way that Cuban gives us Marion for Jeff Green...and I don't think he'd be coming here to come off the bench.

Prince, I think, is too pricey..would he come off the bench?

Jared Dudley, perhaps out of all the players on your list - intrigues me the most. But their stats (his and Jeffs) are so similar that not enough jumps out at me to pull the trigger...now IF PHX would part with Gortat AND Dudley that would get my attention. But in such a trade that would help BOS, I'd be rather skeptical of this happening.

I like Webster, but what else would WAS be willing to give us for him, since the salaries don't match straight up? Emeka? And would we be willing to take on Emeka's contract?

I think Delfino and Dunleavy would help us offensively, but they'd get murdered by most opposing SFs, much less LeBron...we aren't beating OKC with Delf or Dunleavy.

Aminu and Taylor, while talented, are a bit too young...would they produce quickly enough behind Pierce to help BOS? I just don't see either as having the same impact as Jeff Green.

And yeah..I'm a Green fan, as in BOS. :) But it's something about having a SF with Jeff Green's ability, that's happy with is role...doesn't question his role, and seemingly fits.
Title: Re: Dear Santa: Please bring me one of these Jeff Green trades....
Post by: CelticHooligan3 on December 22, 2012, 03:36:48 PM
Looks like "Boogey" is back on the market!!

Anyone have any ideas how to get him here?

http://www.news10.net/news/article/222244/3/Sacramento-Kings-center-suspended

Title: Re: Dear Santa: Please bring me one of these Jeff Green trades....
Post by: CelticHooligan3 on December 22, 2012, 03:40:18 PM
Looks like "Boogey" is back on the market!!

Anyone have any ideas how to get him here?

http://www.news10.net/news/article/222244/3/Sacramento-Kings-center-suspended




http://www.rantsports.com/nba/2012/12/22/demarcus-cousins-continues-to-show-immaturity-in-sacramento/

Title: Re: Dear Santa: Please bring me one of these Jeff Green trades....
Post by: fitzhickey on December 22, 2012, 05:29:18 PM
I like the Shawn Marion trade
Title: Re: Dear Santa: Please bring me one of these Jeff Green trades....
Post by: CoachBo on December 22, 2012, 07:41:20 PM
None of the above.

Perhaps Chris Mannix is on to something ...
Title: Re: Dear Santa: Please bring me one of these Jeff Green trades....
Post by: clover on December 22, 2012, 07:54:21 PM
If I'm Danny I hold onto Rondo and Bradley, but make the Cousins trade.  Danny's a risk taker and he's going to have to take a good-sized risk to get the top 10 talent he needs to rebuild for a championship.

Doc's got it in him to handle such a personality, though I know he'd rather not have to.
Title: Re: Dear Santa: Please bring me one of these Jeff Green trades....
Post by: JSD on December 22, 2012, 08:07:16 PM
SAN: Can't create one -- they're not stupid enough to take him

Remember Richard Jefferson? Not only does SA love overpaid small forwards, they will pay to keep them there. They evenutally wised up and shipped him out, but even SA will make a bad move every once and a while.

Green for Jackson and Neal.
Title: Re: Dear Santa: Please bring me one of these Jeff Green trades....
Post by: SHAQATTACK on December 22, 2012, 10:01:35 PM
GIVE me Cousins and I'll be a GOOD boy for a while ....anyway !! ;D
Title: Re: Dear Santa: Please bring me one of these Jeff Green trades....
Post by: nostar on December 23, 2012, 02:17:17 AM
Green would have to go in a trade for Cousins, probably AB too. That would make me sad because I like both of those players.

If we can get Cousins for some combo of Green/Bass/Lee/Sully and take back Salmons' contract I do it.
Title: Re: Dear Santa: Please bring me one of these Jeff Green trades....
Post by: mctyson on December 23, 2012, 05:33:41 AM
im not sure why everone is so obsessed with trading green...when you give him 25-30minutes a night he performs..besides, we have no other legit backup for pierce

I thought he played well last night...if anything I would explore trades packaging Bass/Lee

He's the biggest trade chip. His potential and track record in OKC could land us a solid player. I don't want to trade him either but if it means landing a big name big man who can help us to get to another level, it's sad, but he'd need to be traded.

Wrong.  Our biggest trade chip is Rondo.  After that probably the combo of Avery Bradley and Sullinger, because they are on short money.  Then Green.
Title: Re: Dear Santa: Please bring me one of these Jeff Green trades....
Post by: Rtpas11 on December 23, 2012, 06:10:46 AM
Better & Best trade possible...

BOS SENDS: Green, Lee, Melo, & 2nd
BOS GETS: Cousins, Fredette, Garcia

SAC SENDS: Cousins, Fredette, Garcia
SAC GETS: Green, Lee, Melo, & 2nd
Title: Re: Dear Santa: Please bring me one of these Jeff Green trades....
Post by: alajet on December 23, 2012, 06:53:46 AM
No way this package will be enough to persuade the Kings to give away Cousins.
I'd love to get Fredette somehow, though.
Title: Re: Dear Santa: Please bring me one of these Jeff Green trades....
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on December 23, 2012, 07:16:57 AM
Better & Best trade possible...

BOS SENDS: Green, Lee, Melo, & 2nd
BOS GETS: Cousins, Fredette, Garcia

SAC SENDS: Cousins, Fredette, Garcia
SAC GETS: Green, Lee, Melo, & 2nd

I'd counter it with this.

Melo, Green + 2 first rounders
for
Boogey + Salmons or Garcia

I believe SacTo will give Boogey away for draft picks and potential, i just do. And I think 2 first rounders is worth giving for Cousins.
Title: Re: Dear Santa: Please bring me one of these Jeff Green trades....
Post by: ssspence on December 23, 2012, 10:57:12 AM
im not sure why everone is so obsessed with trading green...when you give him 25-30minutes a night he performs..besides, we have no other legit backup for pierce

I thought he played well last night...if anything I would explore trades packaging Bass/Lee

He's the biggest trade chip. His potential and track record in OKC could land us a solid player. I don't want to trade him either but if it means landing a big name big man who can help us to get to another level, it's sad, but he'd need to be traded.

Wrong.  Our biggest trade chip is Rondo.  After that probably the combo of Avery Bradley and Sullinger, because they are on short money.  Then Green.

Green is arguably the hardest player to move on the Cs roster. He and Bass are fighting for that honor at the moment.

Title: Re: Dear Santa: Please bring me one of these Jeff Green trades....
Post by: nostar on December 23, 2012, 02:20:02 PM
Better & Best trade possible...

BOS SENDS: Green, Lee, Melo, & 2nd
BOS GETS: Cousins, Fredette, Garcia

SAC SENDS: Cousins, Fredette, Garcia
SAC GETS: Green, Lee, Melo, & 2nd

This trade is us receiving 18M in salary while sending out 14M. We're too close the the MLE hardcap to do something like that.

I'd counter it with this.

Melo, Green + 2 first rounders
for
Boogey + Salmons or Garcia

It would have to be Garcia for the $ to work and honestly he's just not very good. We'd have to do a little searching to find a reasonable SF to back up Pierce. That isn't easy because our options would be to trade for one (with almost no assets) or the pick up a D-leaguer like Downs or Wright from Maine.

I think we should shoot for Cousins and Thompson while taking on Salmons contract. Maybe something like:

Cousins/Thompson/Salmons
for
Green/Bass/Sully and two 1sts

I think the money works but depending on our actual cap # we might have to move 1 more minimum contract. Wilcox or Collins would be expendable after getting Cousins and Thompson.
Title: Re: Dear Santa: Please bring me one of these Jeff Green trades....
Post by: TripleOT on December 23, 2012, 03:35:20 PM
I don't see the Kings trading Cousins unless they get a potential franchise guy back, but I'll play the what if trade game.

Boston trades: Green, Bradley, Melo, and 2 protected 1sts

Kings trades: Cousins, Salmons and a 2nd.

I'd prefer to send out Sully over AB, but the Kings have two young PFs. AB gives them a defensive oriented SG who can also make outside shots.  Melo gives them a big bodied center prospect. 

Salmons has playoff experience, and should benefit from playing again for a real NBA team.  I can handle him playing 10 mpg in the playoffs enough to allow the great Jeff Green and his crucial backup SF role to be pried away from the Cs for a player who fills a true weakness. 

 


Title: Re: Dear Santa: Please bring me one of these Jeff Green trades....
Post by: ssspence on December 23, 2012, 03:44:16 PM
I find it humorous that every thread turns into one about trading for Cousins or Larry Sanders. The topic could be basket weaving techniques and it'd still end up being about one of the two....
Title: Re: Dear Santa: Please bring me one of these Jeff Green trades....
Post by: ImShakHeIsShaq on December 23, 2012, 04:33:14 PM
I think Green stays but he and Bass have 23 days and 11 games to prove they deserve to stay and are big pieces on our "road to 18"... before the 15th...  :-\
Title: Re: Dear Santa: Please bring me one of these Jeff Green trades....
Post by: hpantazo on December 23, 2012, 06:31:21 PM
There is no way the Kings give us Cousins without getting Bradley plus other assets or getting Rondo. It won't happen.

I'm also amazed at how people think we can get great value for Green right now. The guy is on the very beginning of a bad contract, came back from open heart surgery, and has shown nothing to generate any interest in teams to want to trade for him. We are stuck with him for a while, and I believe holding on to him and hoping his value goes up and/or having him actually play the way we expected and take over for Pierce next year is the best option.

Trading him for an old Prince, or 3rd string wings like Webster or Barnes is just a huge waste.

Our best options for a deal this year are Bass plus Lee and Melo or picks, or Bradley. That's the reality, anything else is fantasy.
Title: Re: Dear Santa: Please bring me one of these Jeff Green trades....
Post by: ssspence on December 23, 2012, 06:48:56 PM
There is no way the Kings give us Cousins without getting Bradley plus other assets or getting Rondo. It won't happen.

I'm also amazed at how people think we can get great value for Green right now. The guy is on the very beginning of a bad contract, came back from open heart surgery, and has shown nothing to generate any interest in teams to want to trade for him. We are stuck with him for a while, and I believe holding on to him and hoping his value goes up and/or having him actually play the way we expected and take over for Pierce next year is the best option.

Trading him for an old Prince, or 3rd string wings like Webster or Barnes is just a huge waste.

Our best options for a deal this year are Bass plus Lee and Melo or picks, or Bradley. That's the reality, anything else is fantasy.

Green is tradable in the types of deals ive suggested. Green is not tradable for high value players like Cousins.
Title: Re: Dear Santa: Please bring me one of these Jeff Green trades....
Post by: hpantazo on December 23, 2012, 06:50:36 PM
There is no way the Kings give us Cousins without getting Bradley plus other assets or getting Rondo. It won't happen.

I'm also amazed at how people think we can get great value for Green right now. The guy is on the very beginning of a bad contract, came back from open heart surgery, and has shown nothing to generate any interest in teams to want to trade for him. We are stuck with him for a while, and I believe holding on to him and hoping his value goes up and/or having him actually play the way we expected and take over for Pierce next year is the best option.

Trading him for an old Prince, or 3rd string wings like Webster or Barnes is just a huge waste.

Our best options for a deal this year are Bass plus Lee and Melo or picks, or Bradley. That's the reality, anything else is fantasy.

Green is tradable in the types of deals ive suggested. Green is not tradable for high value players like Cousins.

I agree, I just don't think the deals you suggested help our team in the short term or long term. We would in essence be dumping Green for lesser talent that in many cases Doc would never even put on the floor.
Title: Re: Dear Santa: Please bring me one of these Jeff Green trades....
Post by: ssspence on December 23, 2012, 08:45:56 PM
There is no way the Kings give us Cousins without getting Bradley plus other assets or getting Rondo. It won't happen.

I'm also amazed at how people think we can get great value for Green right now. The guy is on the very beginning of a bad contract, came back from open heart surgery, and has shown nothing to generate any interest in teams to want to trade for him. We are stuck with him for a while, and I believe holding on to him and hoping his value goes up and/or having him actually play the way we expected and take over for Pierce next year is the best option.

Trading him for an old Prince, or 3rd string wings like Webster or Barnes is just a huge waste.

Our best options for a deal this year are Bass plus Lee and Melo or picks, or Bradley. That's the reality, anything else is fantasy.

Green is tradable in the types of deals ive suggested. Green is not tradable for high value players like Cousins.

I agree, I just don't think the deals you suggested help our team in the short term or long term. We would in essence be dumping Green for lesser talent that in many cases Doc would never even put on the floor.

sorry -- don't agree.
Title: Re: Dear Santa: Please bring me one of these Jeff Green trades....
Post by: nostar on December 23, 2012, 09:33:12 PM
I'm not sure Green's value is as low as you think hp. GMs and coaches all understand that Green is playing behind a hall of famer and that he's playing inside a system that doesn't encourage offensive rebounding or play at a pace that encourages high scoring. I mean it's not that Green isn't struggling but his circumstances aren't ideal for showcase either.

Additionally we're in a transitional period where guys are still getting used to our system. Green needs to use the regular season to work on his defense so we can make a run at Miami in the post-season. There are only 2 guys (healthy) in the east who can single-handedly beat us and it's Melo and Lebron. Green tends to defend that position. If Green can limit those guys in the playoffs I'll call his $9M contract an bargain.