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Title: A variation of Jeff's / Rich Levine's Jason Thompson idea
Post by: ssspence on December 18, 2012, 09:44:18 AM
Jeff Green for Jason Thompson and Aaron Brooks.

I think it makes much more sense for SAC than Lee.

I'd then look to trade Bass to Charlotte for Desagna Diop and Jeffrey Taylor.

 



Title: Re: A variation of Jeff's / Rich Levine's Jason Thompson idea
Post by: Chris on December 18, 2012, 10:05:21 AM
Jeff Green for Jason Thompson and Aaron Brooks.

I think it makes much more sense for SAC than Lee.

I'd then look to trade Bass to Charlotte for Desagna Diop and Jeffrey Taylor.

Why does Green make more sense than Lee?  Sacramento has enough volume shooters already.  Green would be just another guy who needs the ball in his hands to be useful. 
Title: Re: A variation of Jeff's / Rich Levine's Jason Thompson idea
Post by: Who on December 18, 2012, 10:07:04 AM
Hmmm ... I think I'd rather have Jeff Green than Jason Thompson.

Not fully sold on Thompson + I like having J.Green to matchup against Miami's and New York's small ball lineups.
Title: Re: A variation of Jeff's / Rich Levine's Jason Thompson idea
Post by: Who on December 18, 2012, 10:08:07 AM
Courtney Lee makes absolutely no sense for Sacramento unless they trade Tyreke Evans or Marcus Thornton first.

There are no SG minutes available there for Lee to get. Lee is of no value to Sacramento.
Title: Re: A variation of Jeff's / Rich Levine's Jason Thompson idea
Post by: Chris on December 18, 2012, 10:12:35 AM
Hmmm ... I think I'd rather have Jeff Green than Jason Thompson.

Not fully sold on Thompson + I like having J.Green to matchup against Miami's and New York's small ball lineups.

And yes, I am with you on this.

Jason Thompson is Mark Blount, with a few more rebounds, and MUCH less defense.  I think he would be HATED here within a month or two.
Title: Re: A variation of Jeff's / Rich Levine's Jason Thompson idea
Post by: ssspence on December 18, 2012, 10:43:02 AM
Jeff Green for Jason Thompson and Aaron Brooks.

I think it makes much more sense for SAC than Lee.

I'd then look to trade Bass to Charlotte for Desagna Diop and Jeffrey Taylor.

Why does Green make more sense than Lee?  Sacramento has enough volume shooters already.  Green would be just another guy who needs the ball in his hands to be useful.

Because Lee makes no sense for them whatsoever. And they have junk at SF. If you're SAC, would you rather have Green and Robinson, or Thompson (in front of Robinson) and Robinson?

I don't think Thompson is perfect, but 1) I prefer him to Bass, and 2) feel is Green is fool's gold.

Basically, I'd prefer to have Thompson, Brooks, Taylor and Diop than Green and Bass.

btw... calling Jason Thompson 'Mark Blount'... that's cold. but dare i say Bass is a little Blount-esque.

Title: Re: A variation of Jeff's / Rich Levine's Jason Thompson idea
Post by: pearljammer10 on December 18, 2012, 11:21:47 AM
Hmmm ... I think I'd rather have Jeff Green than Jason Thompson.

Not fully sold on Thompson + I like having J.Green to matchup against Miami's and New York's small ball lineups.

Yeah Im with you. Thompson is a 11 and 7 guy on a terrible team. His length would certainly help but how effective would he be in fighting for minutes with Bass, Sully, and Wilcox...

Also. Who backs up Pierce? We need to reduce Pierces minutes not take away his back up so he plays 40 minutes a game. Getting Brooks would create even more of a log jam at the guard slot than we already have.

Rondo/Brooks/Barbosa
Bradley/Terry/Lee

We already dont have enough guard minutes to go around.
Title: Re: A variation of Jeff's / Rich Levine's Jason Thompson idea
Post by: Chris on December 18, 2012, 11:29:21 AM


btw... calling Jason Thompson 'Mark Blount'... that's cold. but dare i say Bass is a little Blount-esque.

Its not cold.  Thompson, like Blount, is a soft, jumpshooting big man.  They both have very good NBA bodies and athleticism for their positions, and can put up numbers when their team doesn't have much better options...but are not winning players.

The biggest difference is that at one time, Blount was an excellent defender, before he decided to give that a rest (coincidentally, right after his pocket was lined with money).  Thompson can't claim that.  He has always been terrible defensively.

While Bass fits in with both of them in the midrange shooting, he is a much more aggressive player all around, so less detestable, although perhaps not much more effective, given his lack of the physical gifts that the others have..
Title: Re: A variation of Jeff's / Rich Levine's Jason Thompson idea
Post by: ssspence on December 18, 2012, 11:47:28 AM


btw... calling Jason Thompson 'Mark Blount'... that's cold. but dare i say Bass is a little Blount-esque.

Its not cold.  Thompson, like Blount, is a soft, jumpshooting big man.  They both have very good NBA bodies and athleticism for their positions, and can put up numbers when their team doesn't have much better options...but are not winning players.

The biggest difference is that at one time, Blount was an excellent defender, before he decided to give that a rest (coincidentally, right after his pocket was lined with money).  Thompson can't claim that.  He has always been terrible defensively.

While Bass fits in with both of them in the midrange shooting, he is a much more aggressive player all around, so less detestable, although perhaps not much more effective, given his lack of the physical gifts that the others have..

While I can't say I agree about Bass' consistent aggressiveness, I'm not anxious to stick up for Thompson's defense, which is clearly not a strength.

I just can't hide my strong inclination to be rid of Bass -- the least likable Celtic rotation player -- which might have something to do with my desire to acquire a guy who would ensure he rides more pine or is traded.

Title: Re: A variation of Jeff's / Rich Levine's Jason Thompson idea
Post by: Chris on December 18, 2012, 11:51:42 AM


btw... calling Jason Thompson 'Mark Blount'... that's cold. but dare i say Bass is a little Blount-esque.

Its not cold.  Thompson, like Blount, is a soft, jumpshooting big man.  They both have very good NBA bodies and athleticism for their positions, and can put up numbers when their team doesn't have much better options...but are not winning players.

The biggest difference is that at one time, Blount was an excellent defender, before he decided to give that a rest (coincidentally, right after his pocket was lined with money).  Thompson can't claim that.  He has always been terrible defensively.

While Bass fits in with both of them in the midrange shooting, he is a much more aggressive player all around, so less detestable, although perhaps not much more effective, given his lack of the physical gifts that the others have..

While I can't say I agree about Bass' consistent aggressiveness, I'm not anxious to stick up for Thompson's defense, which is clearly not a strength.

I just can't hide my strong inclination to be rid of Bass -- the least likable Celtic rotation player -- which might have something to do with my desire to acquire a guy who would ensure he rides more pine or is traded.

I have no problem with getting rid of Bass...although I would be perfectly fine if he were in the role he is made for...8th man.  But, giving up assets to go and get another 8th man like Thompson, isn't the answer.

Title: Re: A variation of Jeff's / Rich Levine's Jason Thompson idea
Post by: ssspence on December 18, 2012, 12:02:18 PM


btw... calling Jason Thompson 'Mark Blount'... that's cold. but dare i say Bass is a little Blount-esque.

Its not cold.  Thompson, like Blount, is a soft, jumpshooting big man.  They both have very good NBA bodies and athleticism for their positions, and can put up numbers when their team doesn't have much better options...but are not winning players.

The biggest difference is that at one time, Blount was an excellent defender, before he decided to give that a rest (coincidentally, right after his pocket was lined with money).  Thompson can't claim that.  He has always been terrible defensively.

While Bass fits in with both of them in the midrange shooting, he is a much more aggressive player all around, so less detestable, although perhaps not much more effective, given his lack of the physical gifts that the others have..

While I can't say I agree about Bass' consistent aggressiveness, I'm not anxious to stick up for Thompson's defense, which is clearly not a strength.

I just can't hide my strong inclination to be rid of Bass -- the least likable Celtic rotation player -- which might have something to do with my desire to acquire a guy who would ensure he rides more pine or is traded.

I have no problem with getting rid of Bass...although I would be perfectly fine if he were in the role he is made for...8th man.  But, giving up assets to go and get another 8th man like Thompson, isn't the answer.

Leaving aside 'trade ideas', who would you rather have, Bass or Thompson?

Title: Re: A variation of Jeff's / Rich Levine's Jason Thompson idea
Post by: Chris on December 18, 2012, 12:05:29 PM


btw... calling Jason Thompson 'Mark Blount'... that's cold. but dare i say Bass is a little Blount-esque.

Its not cold.  Thompson, like Blount, is a soft, jumpshooting big man.  They both have very good NBA bodies and athleticism for their positions, and can put up numbers when their team doesn't have much better options...but are not winning players.

The biggest difference is that at one time, Blount was an excellent defender, before he decided to give that a rest (coincidentally, right after his pocket was lined with money).  Thompson can't claim that.  He has always been terrible defensively.

While Bass fits in with both of them in the midrange shooting, he is a much more aggressive player all around, so less detestable, although perhaps not much more effective, given his lack of the physical gifts that the others have..

While I can't say I agree about Bass' consistent aggressiveness, I'm not anxious to stick up for Thompson's defense, which is clearly not a strength.

I just can't hide my strong inclination to be rid of Bass -- the least likable Celtic rotation player -- which might have something to do with my desire to acquire a guy who would ensure he rides more pine or is traded.

I have no problem with getting rid of Bass...although I would be perfectly fine if he were in the role he is made for...8th man.  But, giving up assets to go and get another 8th man like Thompson, isn't the answer.

Leaving aside 'trade ideas', who would you rather have, Bass or Thompson?

Bass.  First off all, he knows the system, and has experience on a winning team, which is important.  I also think Thompson is a dog, while Bass is just not super talented.  When you are talking about an 8th man, I want the guy who is going to come in and give you energy.

Its easy to forget that last year, Bass had some big moments for this team.  I hate him as the starter (although I am not sure we have a much better option on the roster...though I would prefer Sully), but think he is a quality rotation player on a playoff team.  I don't know if I feel the same about Thompson. 

Or to put it more succinctly, I think at his best, Thompson can be a VERY slight improvement over Bass, but because we don't know how he will respond to the system and pressure, there is an even bigger chance that he would be worse than Bass.  So, the risk outweighs the benefit.
Title: Re: A variation of Jeff's / Rich Levine's Jason Thompson idea
Post by: ssspence on December 18, 2012, 12:19:06 PM


btw... calling Jason Thompson 'Mark Blount'... that's cold. but dare i say Bass is a little Blount-esque.

Its not cold.  Thompson, like Blount, is a soft, jumpshooting big man.  They both have very good NBA bodies and athleticism for their positions, and can put up numbers when their team doesn't have much better options...but are not winning players.

The biggest difference is that at one time, Blount was an excellent defender, before he decided to give that a rest (coincidentally, right after his pocket was lined with money).  Thompson can't claim that.  He has always been terrible defensively.

While Bass fits in with both of them in the midrange shooting, he is a much more aggressive player all around, so less detestable, although perhaps not much more effective, given his lack of the physical gifts that the others have..

While I can't say I agree about Bass' consistent aggressiveness, I'm not anxious to stick up for Thompson's defense, which is clearly not a strength.

I just can't hide my strong inclination to be rid of Bass -- the least likable Celtic rotation player -- which might have something to do with my desire to acquire a guy who would ensure he rides more pine or is traded.

I have no problem with getting rid of Bass...although I would be perfectly fine if he were in the role he is made for...8th man.  But, giving up assets to go and get another 8th man like Thompson, isn't the answer.

Leaving aside 'trade ideas', who would you rather have, Bass or Thompson?

Bass.  First off all, he knows the system, and has experience on a winning team, which is important.  I also think Thompson is a dog, while Bass is just not super talented.  When you are talking about an 8th man, I want the guy who is going to come in and give you energy.

Its easy to forget that last year, Bass had some big moments for this team.  I hate him as the starter (although I am not sure we have a much better option on the roster...though I would prefer Sully), but think he is a quality rotation player on a playoff team.  I don't know if I feel the same about Thompson. 

Or to put it more succinctly, I think at his best, Thompson can be a VERY slight improvement over Bass, but because we don't know how he will respond to the system and pressure, there is an even bigger chance that he would be worse than Bass.  So, the risk outweighs the benefit.

Bass indeed had a few big moments, but he was also in position to have them -- it's a bit hard to compare that to a guy who has only paid for one bad team. Who would Bass be as a career Sacramentan?

As for energy, Bass has been all over the place, but maybe returning to a consistent bench role will help.

My knock on Bass: to steal a line from ESPN's Tom Jackson, he simply doesn't pass the eye test from either a defensive or rebounding perspective. I simply don't see the aggressiveness you describe (same goes for Green...thus far). He's the epitome of soft with largely poor instincts. He gets torched and / or refuses to box out far too frequently.

It's hard to watch.
Title: Re: A variation of Jeff's / Rich Levine's Jason Thompson idea
Post by: PhoSita on December 18, 2012, 01:57:43 PM
The problem is the Celtics really need a player like David Lee, David West, Paul Millsap, Josh Smith, Joakim Noah, Al Horford, Anderson Varejao, LaMarcus Aldridge, Al Jefferson, Tyson Chandler, or Carl Landry.

I.e., an All-Star or borderline All-Star.

I'm not sure I see how the Celtics are going to get a player like that.
Title: Re: A variation of Jeff's / Rich Levine's Jason Thompson idea
Post by: Chris on December 18, 2012, 02:18:54 PM
The problem is the Celtics really need a player like David Lee, David West, Paul Millsap, Josh Smith, Joakim Noah, Al Horford, Anderson Varejao, LaMarcus Aldridge, Al Jefferson, Tyson Chandler, or Carl Landry.

I.e., an All-Star or borderline All-Star.

I'm not sure I see how the Celtics are going to get a player like that.

Exactly (although I would take Landry off that list).  The C's problem isn't at the bottom of their rotation, its at the top.  And if you are going to solve it, its not going to be with another garbage player.
Title: Re: A variation of Jeff's / Rich Levine's Jason Thompson idea
Post by: ssspence on December 18, 2012, 02:43:30 PM
The problem is the Celtics really need a player like David Lee, David West, Paul Millsap, Josh Smith, Joakim Noah, Al Horford, Anderson Varejao, LaMarcus Aldridge, Al Jefferson, Tyson Chandler, or Carl Landry.

I.e., an All-Star or borderline All-Star.

I'm not sure I see how the Celtics are going to get a player like that.

Exactly (although I would take Landry off that list).  The C's problem isn't at the bottom of their rotation, its at the top.  And if you are going to solve it, its not going to be with another garbage player.

Fair enough, but the vast majority of those listed above are far from realistic, while guys like Jefferson and Lee are questionable from a a fit and +/- POV.

I'm all for Millsap, but he'll be in high demand and we don't have a 1 to send to Utah. Maybe we could create a 30-team with an available PG like Sessions or Ridnour going to Utah -- but most of those teams would prefer Millsap to our pieces.

Maybe something like this:

http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6181806





Title: Re: A variation of Jeff's / Rich Levine's Jason Thompson idea
Post by: Kane3387 on December 18, 2012, 02:48:41 PM
Posted on another thread..

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=cau266y

Evans and Thompson
for
Lee, AB, Melo, Collins, and a pick.
Title: Re: A variation of Jeff's / Rich Levine's Jason Thompson idea
Post by: rocknrollforyoursoul on December 18, 2012, 03:05:57 PM
Jeff Green for Jason Thompson and Aaron Brooks.

I think it makes much more sense for SAC than Lee.

I'd then look to trade Bass to Charlotte for Desagna Diop and Jeffrey Taylor.

Why does Green make more sense than Lee?  Sacramento has enough volume shooters already.  Green would be just another guy who needs the ball in his hands to be useful.

You're suggesting that Sacto would not be above making such a dumb move.  ;D
Title: Re: A variation of Jeff's / Rich Levine's Jason Thompson idea
Post by: Eddie20 on December 18, 2012, 04:59:17 PM
Posted on another thread..

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=cau266y

Evans and Thompson
for
Lee, AB, Melo, Collins, and a pick.

Problem is that we have to match dollar for dollar on to be under the apron. Which in hindsight makes me think we should've overpaid Allen and used the 3M mini-exception on a big. We'd be hitting the luxury tax with this, but it would make it much easier to make trades. Plus, it's not as though we would have cap space for FA's the next few seasons anyways.
Title: Re: A variation of Jeff's / Rich Levine's Jason Thompson idea
Post by: Kane3387 on December 18, 2012, 05:26:16 PM
Posted on another thread..

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=cau266y

Evans and Thompson
for
Lee, AB, Melo, Collins, and a pick.

Problem is that we have to match dollar for dollar on to be under the apron. Which in hindsight makes me think we should've overpaid Allen and used the 3M mini-exception on a big. We'd be hitting the luxury tax with this, but it would make it much easier to make trades. Plus, it's not as though we would have cap space for FA's the next few seasons anyways.

This takes that into consideration because if you take Collins out of the deal then the trade fails due to using the MLE.