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Around the League => Transaction Ideas and Rumors => Topic started by: chambers on December 18, 2012, 06:33:27 AM
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All these trades are nice that include Verajao or Gortat.
Problem with both is that KG is then forced to guard the opposing team's power forward and I'm not sure if his body can handle the grind.
Getting Josh Smith or Millsap solves this problem. They're both borderline or should have been All Stars at one point or another, and they're both playing very well.
Smith is going to take the farm to get a hold of. I think he may even be out of the question already.
Millsap however, is 27 and in the last year of his deal.
This is a trade that gives up either Sully or Bradley to put us in championship contention mode.
I know everyone wants to keep Avery, but I can't see the Jazz giving up Millsap for anything less then one of our young studs.
Celtics send:
Courtney Lee
Jarred Sullinger
Fab Melo
Utah Sends
Paul Millsap
The money works and we could do this now it's past December 15th.
The other option in January opens up when Bass becomes tradeable:
Celtics send:
Avery Bradley
Brandon Bass
Kris Joseph
Utah sends
Paul Millsap
The money works in both scenarios and we get a star big to pair with KG.
I don't know if Utah wants more and how much more they want.
It sucks to give up one of the young guns but who do we give up? Avery or Sully?
I just can't see them taking
Lee+Bass+ picks for
Millsap+Raja Bell.
Does Utah even pick up the phone on any of the above without both Sully and Bradley included?
Remember Millsap only has one year left in his deal and is only 27 years old.
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I rather Ryan Anderson.
Send: Bass, Lee, Melo + 2nd
Get : Ryan Anderson & Mason
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I rather Ryan Anderson.
Send: Bass, Lee, Melo + 2nd
Get : Ryan Anderson & Mason
I like Anderson but I think his stats are inflated playing for crappy teams like Orlando and NOH.
NOH aren't giving up Anderson for anything either, they LOVE him.
I also think that Anderson isn't as good of a defensive presence or rebounder as Millsap, although he would stretch the floor.
Millsap destroys the Heat everytime he plays them too, they don't really have anyone that can guard him effectively. He's a rich mans Brandon Bass. ie: He'll do the dirty work but he can also finish around the rim stronger than Brandon and can also rebound better.
It's just hard for us to get Millsap without giving up Avery Bradley. Even with Sullinger, they have Kanter and Favours and Sully would be fighting it out with them for a starting big man spot.
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Explain why N.O. or Utah would want our players.
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Explain why N.O. or Utah would want our players.
I don't care about NO.
Millsap is in the last year of his deal. They'll want something before he walks to a bigger paycheck.
I'm not sure what other teams would give up for half a season of Millsap but I think if we got him we'd have a good shot at re-signing him.
So yeah basically, Utah wants something for Millsap before he leaves and they get nothing from it.
Avery would be a good future piece for them to put with their young bigs and Hayward, really improve their defense, which Utah has always struggled with.
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Milsap is worth is it but I too don't think we have the chips to get him. Do Sully and Melo have much trade value? Perhaps for a malcontent but otherwise, I think not.
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I agree he is on the list but after the other two you mentioned.
Celtics need another starting quality C. Sideshow can defend PFs. KG can also defend PF.
I have no issue with KG being split between the two positions.
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Maybe Danny can "make" salesman of the year in the NBA , would love to have Milsap.
The best longshot of getting a really nice player and keeping Rondo at the same time is maybe JSmith would push to be on the same team with Rondo./rather make the trade easier to happen.
I'm not sure Gortat is worth trading AB /Sully /Green to get...I think the team would be stuck back at .500 ball again.
I like what Varejao /Cousins could do fo the team now and near future. If we could trade Bass/Lee / Green for Milsap and then get a TRUE center to go with him that would be great.
Rondo/Sully / AB / Green are all we have to trade that people would want.to give up something for. Unless Danny trades Pierce.
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I agree he is on the list but after the other two you mentioned.
Celtics need another starting quality C. Sideshow can defend PFs. KG can also defend PF.
I have no issue with KG being split between the two positions.
I agree here. Especially when KG comes out of the game during his 5 minutes on 5 minutes off strategy we still need whoever center we can hopefully acquire to be on the floor. It would be great to nab a Milsap but I fear that we would have the same problem we are having now with Milsap playing alongside Wilcox. Lack of interior intimidation.
But if Milsap is our last option and Utah for some reason would take Bass, Bradley, and Joseph or Melo plus a pick then I take it. Dont think they would. And would we sign Milsap to the extension he is looking for/deserves? Or would we let him walk?
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wait, so who is the rim protector when KG is out? wilcox? Your trade still does not solve our glaring problem. a rim protector when KG is out!!
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wait, so who is the rim protector when KG is out? wilcox? Your trade still does not solve our glaring problem. a rim protector when KG is out!!
And hark, a voice of reason fought through the noise!
Our defense goes out the window when KG sits, and to my eyes that's the biggest problem with this team right now. That said, the D is getting better (it's already miles ahead of where it was the first few games), but we need a vocal, defensively minded big to spell KG for the 20 minutes he sits.
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maybe we could also swap coaches... oh crap forgot that sloan is not in utah anymore. ;D
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wait, so who is the rim protector when KG is out? wilcox? Your trade still does not solve our glaring problem. a rim protector when KG is out!!
when need basket protection with KG is in...
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Doesn't fix our needs of a legit big man, 6'10+ who can be an anchor on D and improve our rebounding.
Josh Smith(6'9, but much better defender than Millsap) and Gortat fill that role, Millsap and big al are not a fit. We need defensive help, not offense .
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I can see a trade for Milsap built around Sully, but not involving AB. AB (if healthy) is a key building block of the Cs future. The scary things with the Milsap trade (and assumed resigning) is that we will have 4 of our 5 future starters on the roster. What worries me is that our rosters whole is the hardest to fill.
PG Rondo
SG AB
SF Green
Pf Milsap
Center ?????
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Millsap was who I wanted to try and trade Perk (plus sweetners) for back in 2010 when the Celtics were struggling and Utah's lack of size and interior defense was a major issue for them. I wanted to move Garnett to the five full time and play quicker lineups. Anyway, they made the Finals that year so things worked out alright in the end.
Back to today, I am still a big fan of putting Millsap (PF) alongside Garnett (C). I think that would be a very strong combination and a great fit throughout the lineup and many other lineup variations. Millsap is one of the most well rounded PFs in the league. Shooting ability, shot-creation, can play off of others as well, passing ability, rebounding ability, very good quickness on team defense and the ability to matchup against many quick fours or stretch fours. That versatility will make so many things work for Boston.
I am not sure Boston has anything to offer Utah though.
- I don't think Jeff Green has much value there due to Marvin Williams.
- They don't need a $7 million per year fourth big like Brandon Bass.
- I don't think Courtney Lee's multi-year contract will be looked upon positively either.
- I don't think Sully has much value either since they already have two young bigs to develop in Favors and Kanter.
- Avery Bradley is the only real hope I see here but I am not sold on Utah taking that trade package either. They need more offense from their starting PG than Bradley offers. They are not strong enough on the wings to get away with someone like Bradley as a full time PG. Plus, they have their SG of the future in Gordon Hayward already who is a very talented player.
So I don't think Boston has anything to offer to Utah for Millsap. I doubt they can put together a three team deal either. I mean, if Millsap is in the offing, why take Boston's package over Millsap? Hardly any teams in the league do that.
It looks like an impossible deal to make.
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We definitely need an upgrade at starting PF, and the solution isn't moving KG back. He is an all-star caliber starting C. The good thing about Bass, is he's going to give us 10ppg and 5reb off the bench or starting. He's consistent.
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Millsap was who I wanted to try and trade Perk (plus sweetners) for back in 2010 when the Celtics were struggling and Utah's lack of size and interior defense was a major issue for them. I wanted to move Garnett to the five full time and play quicker lineups. Anyway, they made the Finals that year so things worked out alright in the end.
Back to today, I am still a big fan of putting Millsap (PF) alongside Garnett (C). I think that would be a very strong combination and a great fit throughout the lineup and many other lineup variations. Millsap is one of the most well rounded PFs in the league. Shooting ability, shot-creation, can play off of others as well, passing ability, rebounding ability, very good quickness on team defense and the ability to matchup against many quick fours or stretch fours. That versatility will make so many things work for Boston.
I am not sure Boston has anything to offer Utah though.
- I don't think Jeff Green has much value there due to Marvin Williams.
- They don't need a $7 million per year fourth big like Brandon Bass.
- I don't think Courtney Lee's multi-year contract will be looked upon positively either.
- I don't think Sully has much value either since they already have two young bigs to develop in Favors and Kanter.
- Avery Bradley is the only real hope I see here but I am not sold on Utah taking that trade package either. They need more offense from their starting PG than Bradley offers. They are not strong enough on the wings to get away with someone like Bradley as a full time PG. Plus, they have their SG of the future in Gordon Hayward already who is a very talented player.
So I don't think Boston has anything to offer to Utah for Millsap. I doubt they can put together a three team deal either. I mean, if Millsap is in the offing, why take Boston's package over Millsap? Hardly any teams in the league do that.
It looks like an impossible deal to make.
and yet AGAIN................where is our Big to defend the rim when KG is out? collins? wilcox? :-[ :-[
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wait, so who is the rim protector when KG is out? wilcox? Your trade still does not solve our glaring problem. a rim protector when KG is out!!
And hark, a voice of reason fought through the noise!
Our defense goes out the window when KG sits, and to my eyes that's the biggest problem with this team right now. That said, the D is getting better (it's already miles ahead of where it was the first few games), but we need a vocal, defensively minded big to spell KG for the 20 minutes he sits.
agreed 100%....we fix that and we are in business amigo! Our offense is better than last years. we do not have 4 minute droughts anymore that I have seen either. we have more scoring off the bench also. I do have issues with doc not telling those guys to attack the basket more with post ups, dribble drives, dribble and dishes and cutters. we still shoot way too many contested jumpers for my liking.
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All these trades are nice that include Verajao or Gortat.
Problem with both is that KG is then forced to guard the opposing team's power forward and I'm not sure if his body can handle the grind.
I don't see what "grind" is involved in guarding PFs. I think guarding and bodying against centers is much more of a grind. KG was very reluctant at first to move to center and wanted to stay at PF.
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All these trades are nice that include Verajao or Gortat.
Problem with both is that KG is then forced to guard the opposing team's power forward and I'm not sure if his body can handle the grind.
I don't see what "grind" is involved in guarding PFs. I think guarding and bodying against centers is much more of a grind. KG was very reluctant at first to move to center and wanted to stay at PF.
It's more on the knees. More bending. More changing directions. More distance to cover on help defense. More movement in general.
There is a lot less pressure on a player's knees at the PF position than at center.
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Millsap was who I wanted to try and trade Perk (plus sweetners) for back in 2010 when the Celtics were struggling and Utah's lack of size and interior defense was a major issue for them. I wanted to move Garnett to the five full time and play quicker lineups. Anyway, they made the Finals that year so things worked out alright in the end.
Back to today, I am still a big fan of putting Millsap (PF) alongside Garnett (C). I think that would be a very strong combination and a great fit throughout the lineup and many other lineup variations. Millsap is one of the most well rounded PFs in the league. Shooting ability, shot-creation, can play off of others as well, passing ability, rebounding ability, very good quickness on team defense and the ability to matchup against many quick fours or stretch fours. That versatility will make so many things work for Boston.
I am not sure Boston has anything to offer Utah though.
- I don't think Jeff Green has much value there due to Marvin Williams.
- They don't need a $7 million per year fourth big like Brandon Bass.
- I don't think Courtney Lee's multi-year contract will be looked upon positively either.
- I don't think Sully has much value either since they already have two young bigs to develop in Favors and Kanter.
- Avery Bradley is the only real hope I see here but I am not sold on Utah taking that trade package either. They need more offense from their starting PG than Bradley offers. They are not strong enough on the wings to get away with someone like Bradley as a full time PG. Plus, they have their SG of the future in Gordon Hayward already who is a very talented player.
So I don't think Boston has anything to offer to Utah for Millsap. I doubt they can put together a three team deal either. I mean, if Millsap is in the offing, why take Boston's package over Millsap? Hardly any teams in the league do that.
It looks like an impossible deal to make.
and yet AGAIN................where is our Big to defend the rim when KG is out? collins? wilcox? :-[ :-[
A bigger big would be better, but if none are available for trade, this would still be an addition that would help the Celtics.
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A bigger big would be better, but if none are available for trade, this would still be an addition that would help the Celtics.
Agreed. I think people underestimate just how much talent the C's are missing by having an 8th man in the starting lineup (in fact, they currently have 2). While Millsap isn't the ideal solution, he would be a massive talent upgrade in the frontcourt, which would make a huge difference, and allow them to get away a little better with some of the roleplayers they have.
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I cant' believe that every team in the league isn't bending over backwards for Paul Milsap, who IMO, is a picture perfect addition for this team.
One thing with Lee, while his contract might be a little long: he'd still be a very significant upgrade to what Utah has in their lineup currently. So they may be open to something like Bradley and Lee ( I can't see them biting on Bass, though perhaps another team would be interested)
Mo Williams
Avery Bradley / Lee
Gordan Hayward / Williams
Derrick Favors / Kanter
Al Jefferson
My one concern in being able to get Milsap is that I kind of feel like Houston will be in the hunt for him. He'd be a really nice fit there.
EDIT: I'd also be willing to throw Sullinger into that trade to make it happen
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wait, so who is the rim protector when KG is out? wilcox? Your trade still does not solve our glaring problem. a rim protector when KG is out!!
Boston's glaring problem is a lack of talent. The team just doesn't have good enough and consistent enough players.
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wait, so who is the rim protector when KG is out? wilcox? Your trade still does not solve our glaring problem. a rim protector when KG is out!!
Boston's glaring problem is a lack of talent. The team just doesn't have good enough and consistent enough players.
Also, the Birdman
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I see a lot of people are worried about a rim protector when KG is out of the game. I'd say Millsap is a slight upgrade over Bass defensively, and if you kept him in the game, whilst going after someone like K Mart or another cheap rim protector we'd probably get away with it because of the upgrade to our starting unit that Millsap brings.
We're talking about a guy who could average 20/8 as our starting power forward. He's averaging around 16 ppg this season but any PF with Rondo dishing him easy looks all night is going to get a point per game boost. Think about that extra 10 points and 3 rebounds a night over what Bass currently brings.
Best part is if we could make the deal without moving Bass, we could have Millsap and Bass out there when KG is off, with Bass coming in off the bench.
Do we need to spend 5-8 million on a rim protector or do we want someone who can give us scoring as well?
1 million on Chris Anderson or Kenyon Martin (or cut Joseph and get BOTH) might do us enough with the bench defense when we add this much scoring, rebounding and interior toughness.
Millsap just seems a whole lot easier to get than Smith at this stage and he keeps KG at center on offense and defense.
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wait, so who is the rim protector when KG is out? wilcox? Your trade still does not solve our glaring problem. a rim protector when KG is out!!
Boston's glaring problem is a lack of talent. The team just doesn't have good enough and consistent enough players.
The glaring problem for this team is our defense when KG's on the bench. Fix that problem and we'll be fine.
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Millsap would be a definite upgrade over Bass, but if the chief problem is lack of a rim protector, the target should be Gortat. He had 6 blocks last night, and is averaging better than 2 a game. He also had 14 points and 13 rebounds, and is averaging 11 and 8 in those categories. Plus he's a great pick-and-roll player, and shooting better than 52% from the field.
In fact, there isn't much he doesn't do well for a center.
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Biggest hole is absolutely C behind KG.
Secondary issue is to address in trade would be consolidating a couple of our depth guys at PF (Sully, Bass, Wilcox, ~Green) and SG (Lee, Terry, ~AB, Barbosa) into a better player.
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What Utah needs is a upgrade over at pg. I would offer Rondo for Milsap. Add in whatever is needed to make the numbers work.
Terry
Bradley
Pierce
Milsap
Garnett
Barbosa
Lee
Green
Bass
Wilcox
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What Utah needs is a upgrade over at pg. I would offer Rondo for Milsap. Add in whatever is needed to make the numbers work.
Terry
Bradley
Pierce
Milsap
Garnett
Barbosa
Lee
Green
Bass
Wilcox
No way rondo for milsap alone.
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What Utah needs is a upgrade over at pg. I would offer Rondo for Milsap. Add in whatever is needed to make the numbers work.
Terry
Bradley
Pierce
Milsap
Garnett
Barbosa
Lee
Green
Bass
Wilcox
No way rondo for milsap alone.
lol why not? Your getting quality depth in the froncourt because you are not giving up Bass or Green. We would also get better defensively with Terry at the pg and we would get to keep Bradley.
It also works straight up in the trade checker. Its a win-win for both teams.
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What Utah needs is a upgrade over at pg. I would offer Rondo for Milsap. Add in whatever is needed to make the numbers work.
Terry
Bradley
Pierce
Milsap
Garnett
Barbosa
Lee
Green
Bass
Wilcox
No way rondo for milsap alone.
lol why not? Your getting quality depth in the froncourt because you are not giving up Bass or Green. We would also get better defensively with Terry at the pg and we would get to keep Bradley.
It also works straight up in the trade checker. Its a win-win for both teams.
Terry is 35 (I think) and barbosa is 30. In a couple of years we would have no one at the point, and I don't want Bradley back at point
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What Utah needs is a upgrade over at pg. I would offer Rondo for Milsap. Add in whatever is needed to make the numbers work.
Terry
Bradley
Pierce
Milsap
Garnett
Barbosa
Lee
Green
Bass
Wilcox
No way rondo for milsap alone.
lol why not? Your getting quality depth in the froncourt because you are not giving up Bass or Green. We would also get better defensively with Terry at the pg and we would get to keep Bradley.
It also works straight up in the trade checker. Its a win-win for both teams.
Terry is 35 (I think) and barbosa is 30. In a couple of years we would have no one at the point, and I don't want Bradley back at point
So whats the problem? draft a point guard. Its easier to draft a good guard than it is to draft a good big.
Besides do you really believe the Celtics are going to meet what Rondo has in mind for his next contract? Its not going to happen.
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Trading Rondo for an undersized PF who doesn't rebound or block shots particularly well?
Nope. With all his faults, this is a non-starter. I'd give Minesotta Rondo, Sullinger and a pick for Love -- and for all his faults, Rondo should not be tradeable for anything less. Of course, PG is not a need for the Wolves so this is not happening. But you get the idea.
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What Utah needs is a upgrade over at pg. I would offer Rondo for Milsap. Add in whatever is needed to make the numbers work.
Terry
Bradley
Pierce
Milsap
Garnett
Barbosa
Lee
Green
Bass
Wilcox
No way rondo for milsap alone.
lol why not? Your getting quality depth in the froncourt because you are not giving up Bass or Green. We would also get better defensively with Terry at the pg and we would get to keep Bradley.
It also works straight up in the trade checker. Its a win-win for both teams.
Terry is 35 (I think) and barbosa is 30. In a couple of years we would have no one at the point, and I don't want Bradley back at point
So whats the problem? draft a point guard. Its easier to draft a good guard than it is to draft a good big.
Besides do you really believe the Celtics are going to meet what Rondo has in mind for his next contract? Its not going to happen.
I agree.
The chance of getting another usuable point guard from a draft / BIG center types that are quality require Lottery picks usually. It would be easier to get a KNOWN good big in trade for Rondo and find anothe point guard...than the other way around. IMO.
And YES ..!! ROndo will be wanting to double his salary.
Unless we blow up the team or Trade Rondo , I don't see how we get a star quality big. I'm for bringing in Cousins, we could never get a draft pick as good as him.
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Trading Rondo for an undersized PF who doesn't rebound or block shots particularly well?
Nope. With all his faults, this is a non-starter. I'd give Minesotta Rondo, Sullinger and a pick for Love -- and for all his faults, Rondo should not be tradeable for anything less. Of course, PG is not a need for the Wolves so this is not happening. But you get the idea.
Milsap is 18# in the NBA in total rebounds.
is 10# in the NBA in free throws attempts
This is what we need rebounds and fouls on the opposing team. Losing Rondo will be mitigated somewhat by the return of Bradley.
As of right now with 5 guards someone will not be playing.
Both Barbosa and Lee are capable on the court and neither will get much in a trade. So what do you suggest as a alternative?
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"Bradley must go" sounds like he is cancer and we have to get rid of him...
love milsap but don't want to get rid of Bradley. And yes I am aware of our weakness right now.
Bradley/Rondo is the future of the Celtics
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"Bradley must go" sounds like he is cancer and we have to get rid of him...
love milsap but don't want to get rid of Bradley. And yes I am aware of our weakness right now.
Bradley/Rondo is the future of the Celtics
Rondos has this year and next year left on his contract.
He is making almost 12 million this year and another 12 million next year. Do you believe he will be wiling to resign at or close to the same annual salary in the future?
I don't. He is going to be traded before his new contract becomes a issue.
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Trading Rondo for an undersized PF who doesn't rebound or block shots particularly well?
Nope. With all his faults, this is a non-starter. I'd give Minesotta Rondo, Sullinger and a pick for Love -- and for all his faults, Rondo should not be tradeable for anything less. Of course, PG is not a need for the Wolves so this is not happening. But you get the idea.
He gets 8 boards a game
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"Bradley must go" sounds like he is cancer and we have to get rid of him...
love milsap but don't want to get rid of Bradley. And yes I am aware of our weakness right now.
Bradley/Rondo is the future of the Celtics
Rondos has this year and next year left on his contract.
He is making almost 12 million this year and another 12 million next year. Do you believe he will be wiling to resign at or close to the same annual salary in the future?
I don't. He is going to be traded before his new contract becomes a issue.
You're wrong. He has two seasons left on his contract after this year.
Also, Millsap's going to be a free agent this off-season. You think he'll be looking for a raise on his current $8.6 million per year deal?
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Trading Rondo for an undersized PF who doesn't rebound or block shots particularly well?
Nope. With all his faults, this is a non-starter. I'd give Minesotta Rondo, Sullinger and a pick for Love -- and for all his faults, Rondo should not be tradeable for anything less. Of course, PG is not a need for the Wolves so this is not happening. But you get the idea.
Milsap is 18# in the NBA in total rebounds.
is 10# in the NBA in free throws attempts
This is what we need rebounds and fouls on the opposing team. Losing Rondo will be mitigated somewhat by the return of Bradley.
As of right now with 5 guards someone will not be playing.
Both Barbosa and Lee are capable on the court and neither will get much in a trade. So what do you suggest as a alternative?
On alternative is not trading the guy who averaged 17/7/12 in the playoffs for a player that's never going to be a top player on a good team. Whoever told you that the way to improve your team is to trade your best players for slightly above average players was pulling your leg.
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What Utah needs is a upgrade over at pg. I would offer Rondo for Milsap. Add in whatever is needed to make the numbers work.
Terry
Bradley
Pierce
Milsap
Garnett
Barbosa
Lee
Green
Bass
Wilcox
This is funny. I almost thought you were trolling with this.
Millsap is good. But Rondo is the best pg in the game at the moment, and he's got two more years on an affordable deal.
Absolutely no way. There isn't one GM in the league that agrees to that horrible trade idea. Sorry.
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What Utah needs is a upgrade over at pg. I would offer Rondo for Milsap. Add in whatever is needed to make the numbers work.
Terry
Bradley
Pierce
Milsap
Garnett
Barbosa
Lee
Green
Bass
Wilcox
No way rondo for milsap alone.
lol why not? Your getting quality depth in the froncourt because you are not giving up Bass or Green. We would also get better defensively with Terry at the pg and we would get to keep Bradley.
Just an FYI, but watching the Cavs start tonight's game with Kirie Irving standing on the perimeter without the ball so they could have their poor-shooting rookie sg exploit his matchup against Terry is a good indication of how ridiculous your claim that we'd get better defensively with Terry instead of Rondo is. It's not that much more far-fetched that saying we'd improve our defense playing Barbosa instead of Bradley.
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Trade a near superstar PG for an undersized PF who's all energy but not a good rebounder and no shot blocking presence? Why? Just why?
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wait, so who is the rim protector when KG is out? wilcox? Your trade still does not solve our glaring problem. a rim protector when KG is out!!
You know I have been on the phone with about 20 NBA teams this week and guess what pretty much every one of them has said...
"Gosh we have this defensive-minded center that we just can't move. We would totally take rotation players and late first round picks for him but not even one team is offering us spit for this 6'11" rim-protector. What I really need is another undersized PF."
Name the defensive center prospect you're talking about who we can deal for. Varejao has been a fun topic lately but he's too expensive. Gortat plays laughable defense. Smith isn't a center. Jefferson isn't really a defensive phenom. Jason Thompson isn't a center. I mean I'm not trying to be a jerk or anything but it's not like teams are lining up to sell low on their reserve center prospects let along a starter.
I think the most likely target for the C's is probably Samuel Dalembert...unfortunately. If he can be had for Bass I do it straight up, if there is some indication that Dalembert is in shape I throw in a 2nd rounder. If it takes some combination of Lee and Sully I want one of their young guys, either Jennings or LRMM.
As for the OP I like Millsap and I want him here. I won't trade AB in any deal for Millsap but I'd move some combination of Bass/Lee/Sully/Melo and any picks that need to go. All of our minimum contracts are on the table too. Consider me in for any trade getting us Millsap while keeping RR/PP/KG/AB.
And WOW is someone serious talking about trading Rondo? Stop taking drugs right now.
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an undersized PF who's all energy but not a good rebounder and no shot blocking presence
What is the argument for Millsap not being a good rebounder?
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I love Milsap game...but when KG sits , this team is DYING for a interior defensive BIG to protect the rim.
For the way this team is constructed, it is a must to have a active big , who is tuff inside.
I think this guy needs to be A. Varejao. !!
Just don't think we can get Smith ...yet... and I belive Varejao brings a better game to the Celtics as they are now constructed.
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I don't think it is possible to get either Varejao or Smith without at least a likely mid-to-late lottery pick as part of the package.
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Meh. Millsap is just Sullinger a few years from now. Don't see any real reason to go out and get him.
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wait, so who is the rim protector when KG is out? wilcox? Your trade still does not solve our glaring problem. a rim protector when KG is out!!
The principle in basketball is easy - outscore the opposing team.
Whether we do that by forcing them to score less (via rim protector method) or by us simply outscoring them (via a player who can put points on the board).
Millsap has historically been a borderline 20/10 player. If we can get 15-17 PPG from Millsap then we are scoring 5 - 7 points more then we do with Bass out there, and yet Millsap defensively is no worse than Bass. That means we are better off.
I'm not TOO concerned about center - between them KG and Wilcox are doing a reasonble job.
We are getting killed at PF more than anywhere else. At PG we have Rondo. At SG Terry and Bradley. At SF Pierce and Green (when he's awake). At Center KG.
PF it's the one and only position at which we are truly and utterly mediocre.
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Meh. Millsap is just Sullinger a few years from now. Don't see any real reason to go out and get him.
I'll be sooooooooo pumped if Sullinger is Millsap in a few years.
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I think we overestimate Utah's willingness to get rid of Millsap just because he is a pending free agent. They can resign him or do a sign and trade in the summer. This is not like baseball. Millsap will require a lot to get. Probably more than Ainge wants to give.