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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: coco on December 17, 2012, 11:55:07 AM
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My displeasure for Doc rotations has been well documented thru out the years. So, I'll go to the point, without picking on Doc.
Just a couple of pointers for Doc:
1)JTerry has to be treated like EHouse. Ride him when he is hot, bench him when he is not.
2)Depending on rule 1(see above), Your closing 5 should include: RR,PP,JG,KG,CLee.
Feel free adding pointers.....
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Don't take coaching advice from an online message board.
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My only advice would be play Sully more. And when I say more I mean give him close to 30 minutes a game and start him. I'm done with Bass. Lets atleast put Sully's development on a fast track.
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1. Play Fab Melo. I don't care of he's still figuring out the rotations, we NEED a shot blocking presence and at worse, he is one.
2. Slide KG back to the 4, let Fab challenge shots and get KG to position for rebounds.
3. Play Jeff Green more minutes and give him Iso plays. I've seen him do damage on Iso's. It boosts his confidence too.
4. Bring Jet and Bass back off the bench. I doesnt matter if we see a Sully/Bass frontcourt, as long as they are both coming off the bench and not playing together a lot. They are both comfortable in those roles, and thrive in those roles.
5. Call Darko, apologize to him, ask him to bring him back here.
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Maybe my old high school coach has some films he can borrow
some films on "HOW TO BOXOUT". HOW TO REBOUND...and then Take him to shrink , and get this stupid notion of small ball out of his head.
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dont start Bass no more. no i aint sayin he should get Darko treatment nd get no more burn at all but he cant be our starter anymore. when he aint hittin his shot he's pretty much subpar out there. especially when he aint crashin boards lookin like a powerless forward gettin muscled on da court
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more Barbosa!
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players need more movement. and my god, move the freaking ball.
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Had a random thought the other day that's a little out there-
Start Chris Wilcox.
Does a few things - Adds more height and defense to the starting lineup, allows Jeff Green to check into the game as the first big off the bench.
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Play KG and Wilcox together more.
Let Jason Terry be Jason Terry, not Ray Allen.
Give Sully more minutes, maybe even start him.
Play Rondo less minutes.
Don't have Rondo and Pierce handle the ball so much.
Post up Jeff more.
Run Pierce on the 5-5-5 plan.
Run Ray Allen plays for Lee.
Play Barbosa when the team needs energy and scoring.
Put more emphasis on rebounding.
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Had a random thought the other day that's a little out there-
Start Chris Wilcox.
Does a few things - Adds more height and defense to the starting lineup, allows Jeff Green to check into the game as the first big off the bench.
How do you think Wilcox would do when Avery Bradley returns?
I thought Wilcox was the best man for the job last year when Ray Allen was still starting (instead of Bass and instead of J.O'Neal). I like Wilcox starting over Bass this year too when playing alongside Courtney Lee or Jason Terry also.
I am a bit uneasy about Wilcox and Bradley though. I am worried about the spacing offensively with those two and Rondo together. That is a lot less jump-shooting on the floor.
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1)JTerry has to be treated like EHouse. Ride him when he is hot, bench him when he is not.
I was thinking about how much I do not want Doc to do this when I started thinking ...
How much more is Jason Terry really giving the team than Eddie House did when he was at his best in Boston?
Terry is a limited defender and rebounder. He is not being put in positions to create offensively for himself or others. Terry is mostly being used as a spot-up shooter or catch and shoot opportunities coming off of screens. Nor is Terry really adding with his ball-handling and/or passing skills. That is a pretty similar job description to what Eddie House (in terms of role) gave the team albeit in more minutes.
In 2009 (his best year here), House averaged 8.5ppg in 18mpg on 44.5% shooting from the floor (6.9 FGA per game) and 44.4% shooting from three (4.2 3FGAs per game). A true shooting percentage of 59.2%. House also gave 1.9rpg, 1.1apg and 0.8spg.
This season, Jason Terry is playing a lot more minutes at 30.3mpg and is supplying 11.7ppg on 9.0 FGA per game on 44.9% shooting from the floor and 38% from three point range (4.7 3FGAs). A true shooting percentage of 58.8%. Terry also provides 2.3rpg, 2.5apg and 1.2spg.
There really isn't a whole lot of pluses there for Terry. Terry's scoring is down from past seasons. He is getting less field goal attempts. House played a lot less minutes and was more trigger happy on the floor. So on a per minute basis, he scored more often. In 12 minutes more per game, Terry only takes 2 more shots per game and scores an additional 3 points.
House was a much better rebounder. Similar assist and steal numbers. Similar turnover numbers. Not much difference defensively contribution wise. House took a larger proportion of his shot attempts from three point range but Terry offsets that by getting more FTAs (2.1 to 0.7 per game). Similar overall scoring efficiency.
It's not a crazy comparison.
We really aren't getting that much more out of Jason Terry than what Eddie House was giving the Celtics a few years ago. And that is bitterly disappointing.
Hopefully, Doc will increase Terry's role offensively and give him more opportunities to make his mark. Limiting Terry to mostly spot up + catch and shoot opportunities is a waste of a gifted player.
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1)JTerry has to be treated like EHouse. Ride him when he is hot, bench him when he is not.
I was thinking about how much I do not want Doc to do this when I started thinking ...
How much more is Jason Terry really giving the team than Eddie House did when he was at his best in Boston?
Terry is a limited defender and rebounder. He is not being put in positions to create offensively for himself or others. Terry is mostly being used as a spot-up shooter or catch and shoot opportunities coming off of screens. Nor is Terry really adding with his ball-handling and/or passing skills. That is a pretty similar job description to what Eddie House (in terms of role) gave the team albeit in more minutes.
In 2009 (his best year here), House averaged 8.5ppg in 18mpg on 44.5% shooting from the floor (6.9 FGA per game) and 44.4% shooting from three (4.2 3FGAs per game). A true shooting percentage of 59.2%. House also gave 1.9rpg, 1.1apg and 0.8spg.
This season, Jason Terry is playing a lot more minutes at 30.3mpg and is supplying 11.7ppg on 9.0 FGA per game on 44.9% shooting from the floor and 38% from three point range (4.7 3FGAs). A true shooting percentage of 58.8%. Terry also provides 2.3rpg, 2.5apg and 1.2spg.
There really isn't a whole lot of pluses there for Terry. Terry's scoring is down from past seasons. He is getting less field goal attempts. House played a lot less minutes and was more trigger happy on the floor. So on a per minute basis, he scored more often. In 12 minutes more per game, Terry only takes 2 more shots per game and scores an additional 3 points.
House was a much better rebounder. Similar assist and steal numbers. Similar turnover numbers. Not much difference defensively contribution wise. House took a larger proportion of his shot attempts from three point range but Terry offsets that by getting more FTAs (2.1 to 0.7 per game). Similar overall scoring efficiency.
It's not a crazy comparison.
We really aren't getting that much more out of Jason Terry than what Eddie House was giving the Celtics a few years ago. And that is bitterly disappointing.
Hopefully, Doc will increase Terry's role offensively and give him more opportunities to make his mark. Limiting Terry to mostly spot up + catch and shoot opportunities is a waste of a gifted player.
Great analysis. TP.
I think Doc needs to bench Rondo more. Play him around 32-35 minutes game. Let Terry handle the ball more, run PNR or PNP and gun. What Doc has failed to realize is that Terry is actually a very good passer. He is great at penetrate lay and kicking it back out, much like Rondo. The difference is that Terry is a great shooter, so teams will cave, allowing for more open shots.
Hopefully, Doc will allow Terry to be himself, not Ray.
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Doc gave the team a lot of freedom in the preseason instead of the structured, deliberate offense that we're running right now.
The result: a scary effective offense. Our depth shone. Very active offense with a lot of movement. The offensive momentum fueled the defense and we had many streaks of great D even without KG.
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Had a random thought the other day that's a little out there-
Start Chris Wilcox.
Does a few things - Adds more height and defense to the starting lineup, allows Jeff Green to check into the game as the first big off the bench.
How do you think Wilcox would do when Avery Bradley returns?
I thought Wilcox was the best man for the job last year when Ray Allen was still starting (instead of Bass and instead of J.O'Neal). I like Wilcox starting over Bass this year too when playing alongside Courtney Lee or Jason Terry also.
I am a bit uneasy about Wilcox and Bradley though. I am worried about the spacing offensively with those two and Rondo together. That is a lot less jump-shooting on the floor.
It depends. Last year I thought Avery showed to have a pretty reliable corner 3, and was pretty good from medium range. And he played with bigs certainly less offensively capable than Chris Wilcox.
But, who knows how much he'll regress after two shoulder surgeries. I thought he looked like a deer in the head's light before last season before he quietly became into pretty much the prototype for a great complimentary shooting guard. I'd hate to see him take a bunch of steps back after playing so brilliantly last year.
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Dear Doc,
Enough with the freaking jumpshots. Veyr frustrating to see a stretch where the jumpers dont fall. Doc we do not possess the rebounders to accommodate the freaking jumpers you set them up.
Tell Bass to lose those muscles if doesnt want to play inaide. Tell Jeff Green he sucks. Tell Rondo enough with the hotdog play. And lastly tell Terry that his defense sucks.
I hope you listen.
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P.S.
I didnt open celticsblog or watch NBA for 3 days because I got so mad at the way we played.
Thank you
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My number one plea to Doc would be to stop messing around with KG's minutes. He treats KG like he's the most fragile player in the game. KG really can't go more than 4.5 minutes at a time? Sometimes it's even 3.5 minutes. It's comical or would be if KG wasn't still our most important player due to still being capable of playing at a high level and the big drop to the backups. It hasn't even been the 5X5 setup this year. Many times it's been 4.5X7. It's like KG's in foul trouble every game.
The logic of KG's minutes is absurd. I seriously doubt having KG play for two or three minutes longer, around a TV timeout mind you, is going to jeopardize his health later in the season. If KG is going to play a short stint, it should be after his first stint in the game. KG should be better able to handle longer stints at the start of games and after halftime. If you add up all the college, regular season and playoff minutes, Duncan and KG have played about the same amount. Duncan can still run up and down for 8 minutes of gametime and be no worse for wear. There's no reason KG can't as well.
If Doc simply did no tinkering at all and shut off his brain, this team would be better, I'm absolutely sure of it. The Celtics do things no other team do (KG's sub pattern, Rondo's level of ballhogging) and what do they have to show for it? The style of play is bad, they rarely go on big runs and they play perhaps their most crucial player the fewest minutes the first three quarters which may or may not be a factor in their playing so many tight fourth quarter games.