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Title: NBA's top trade canidates per yahoo sports (Mozgov trade idea)
Post by: CFAN38 on December 17, 2012, 08:22:24 AM
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--nba-s-top-trade-candidates-000418190.html

players of interested listed

Hansbruogh, would add hustle / toughness (upgrade over bass)

Milsap, a better version of bass

Mozgov, 3rd center behind Koufas and Magee, very big and athletic for his size

Varejao, dont see how we get him


trade idea from this

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ca6pvpm

Celtics get Mozgov, Pendergraph

Pacers  get Lee (a Celtics protected 1st)

Nuggets get Hansbrough, Melo

This trade seems really fair to me.

Denver ,Hansbrough is under performing in a reduced role for Indy, but would fit in nicely as Farieds back up. (he will also resign for a lot less then Mozgov.

Pacers, Have been playing lance stephenson and Gerald green at SG. Lee will help them imminently (particularly on D). As i said above Hansbrough is playing a reduced role and isnt likely to be resigned.

Celtics, get a real center. At 7'1 with a heavy frame mozgov runs better then expected. He is still only 26 and has room to develop. I would expect him to match his 2011-2012 stats this year with the Cs while playing the role of KGs backup (5.4pts .52 fg% 4rb 1 blk in 15min).   



Title: Re: NBA's top trade canidates per yahoo sports (Mozgov trade idea)
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on December 17, 2012, 09:46:27 AM
Call me crazy but I'm not giving up Lee and Melo for a third string center. Almost every deal I see includes melo and we have yet to even see him play
Title: Re: NBA's top trade canidates per yahoo sports (Mozgov trade idea)
Post by: ssspence on December 17, 2012, 09:48:32 AM
No real surprises here. Most have been reported -- only one we haven't seen is Henderson, who would be redundant on the Cs.

The target (on this list, anyway) should be Evans. Per Spears, money continues to be an issue for them, so we'd have to take something off their hands financially to entice them to give him up.

I'd take Salmons to get him. You could trade Green, Lee and pick / cash for Evans and Salmons. It makes some sense from both a basketball and financial POV for SAC, though they might prefer to get a "young prospect" for him...
Title: Re: NBA's top trade canidates per yahoo sports (Mozgov trade idea)
Post by: Who on December 17, 2012, 10:04:20 AM
No need to give up a first, Fab Melo and Lee for Mozgov. He isn't that valuable. Lee by himself will be fine or a first by itself with cap filler will be fine.

I really like Mozgov's potential. His current ability? Less so which isn't ideal for a win-now team. I think George Karl has done a terrible job developing Mozgov as did Mike D'Antoni. He needs a top notch big man coach to learn basic fundamentals especially in terms of positioning defensively.

Good finisher around the basket. Decent midrange shot. A below average rebounder. A strong low post defender takes to strong frame and excellent size. A solid shot-blocker with his vertical size and length. An unintelligent team defender. A man-to-man defender who struggles outside of low post defense. Very athletic. Great mobility combined with excellent size. Has an awful lot of tools to work with long term for a backup big man. The type of project a team with strong player development loves to have.

George Karl has also run his confidence into the ground a few times. Normally happens when Mozgov isn't playing and doesn't feel valued. So one should expect that to be the case right now. Needs some attention and time to get back to his best after he loses his confidence. A reclamation project as well as a player development project.

Due to his unintelligent team defense + unbalanced man-to-man defense, Mozgov is more a guy you play alongside a Kevin Garnett than behind him. Not a defensive anchor. But has some solid defensive strengths which would complement a defensive leader like KG (PF).
Title: Re: NBA's top trade canidates per yahoo sports (Mozgov trade idea)
Post by: ssspence on December 17, 2012, 10:16:23 AM
No need to give up a first, Fab Melo and Lee for Mozgov. He isn't that valuable. Lee by himself will be fine or a first by itself with cap filler will be fine.

I really like Mozgov's potential. His current ability? Less so which isn't ideal for a win-now team. I think George Karl has done a terrible job developing Mozgov as did Mike D'Antoni. He needs a top notch big man coach to learn basic fundamentals especially in terms of positioning defensively.

Good finisher around the basket. Decent midrange shot. A below average rebounder. A strong low post defender takes to strong frame and excellent size. A solid shot-blocker with his vertical size and length. An unintelligent team defender. A man-to-man defender who struggles outside of low post defense. Very athletic. Great mobility combined with excellent size. Has an awful lot of tools to work with long term for a backup big man. The type of project a team with strong player development loves to have.

George Karl has also run his confidence into the ground a few times. Normally happens when Mozgov isn't playing and doesn't feel valued. So one should expect that to be the case right now. Needs some attention and time to get back to his best after he loses his confidence. A reclamation project as well as a player development project.

Due to his unintelligent team defense + unbalanced man-to-man defense, Mozgov is more a guy you play alongside a Kevin Garnett than behind him. Not a defensive anchor. But has some solid defensive strengths which would complement a defensive leader like KG (PF).

Wouldn't Bass be the fit for them over Lee? They have too many wings making mid-level money, and are thin at the 4.

I wonder if they'd give us Mozgov + either Randolph or Jordan Hamilton for Bass. I'd prefer Randolph but would take either.

Bass'd be a nice compliment / back-up to Faried and fits Karl's system pretty well.
Title: Re: NBA's top trade canidates per yahoo sports (Mozgov trade idea)
Post by: pearljammer10 on December 17, 2012, 10:20:23 AM
I wouldnt trade a starter for a third string center.
Title: Re: NBA's top trade canidates per yahoo sports (Mozgov trade idea)
Post by: ssspence on December 17, 2012, 10:32:12 AM
I wouldnt trade a starter for a third string center.

I'd trade Bass (but not Lee) for the chair Yi Jianlian used to guard if I could. He was overrated even when he was 'good'....
Title: Re: NBA's top trade canidates per yahoo sports (Mozgov trade idea)
Post by: Who on December 17, 2012, 10:41:26 AM
No need to give up a first, Fab Melo and Lee for Mozgov. He isn't that valuable. Lee by himself will be fine or a first by itself with cap filler will be fine.

I really like Mozgov's potential. His current ability? Less so which isn't ideal for a win-now team. I think George Karl has done a terrible job developing Mozgov as did Mike D'Antoni. He needs a top notch big man coach to learn basic fundamentals especially in terms of positioning defensively.

Good finisher around the basket. Decent midrange shot. A below average rebounder. A strong low post defender takes to strong frame and excellent size. A solid shot-blocker with his vertical size and length. An unintelligent team defender. A man-to-man defender who struggles outside of low post defense. Very athletic. Great mobility combined with excellent size. Has an awful lot of tools to work with long term for a backup big man. The type of project a team with strong player development loves to have.

George Karl has also run his confidence into the ground a few times. Normally happens when Mozgov isn't playing and doesn't feel valued. So one should expect that to be the case right now. Needs some attention and time to get back to his best after he loses his confidence. A reclamation project as well as a player development project.

Due to his unintelligent team defense + unbalanced man-to-man defense, Mozgov is more a guy you play alongside a Kevin Garnett than behind him. Not a defensive anchor. But has some solid defensive strengths which would complement a defensive leader like KG (PF).

Wouldn't Bass be the fit for them over Lee? They have too many wings making mid-level money, and are thin at the 4.

I wonder if they'd give us Mozgov + either Randolph or Jordan Hamilton for Bass. I'd prefer Randolph but would take either.

Bass'd be a nice compliment / back-up to Faried and fits Karl's system pretty well.

Yeah, okay. That makes more sense. Bass would provide a nice contrast to Faried at PF.

Although ... Courtney Lee is fairly similar to Arron Afflalo who they supposedly miss. Especially Afflalo's shooting ability. Iggy is a sketchy shooter + neither Faried or Koufos/McGee can make a shot outside of 6 feet consistently.

Courtney Lee could come off the bench and play big minutes with Iggy (SF) and Gallinari (PF behind Faried) getting more minutes at the quick and big forward positions respectively. Give Denver a lot more floor spacing ... which they do need.

I think it could work either way. Bass or Lee.
Title: Re: NBA's top trade canidates per yahoo sports (Mozgov trade idea)
Post by: ssspence on December 17, 2012, 10:43:55 AM
No need to give up a first, Fab Melo and Lee for Mozgov. He isn't that valuable. Lee by himself will be fine or a first by itself with cap filler will be fine.

I really like Mozgov's potential. His current ability? Less so which isn't ideal for a win-now team. I think George Karl has done a terrible job developing Mozgov as did Mike D'Antoni. He needs a top notch big man coach to learn basic fundamentals especially in terms of positioning defensively.

Good finisher around the basket. Decent midrange shot. A below average rebounder. A strong low post defender takes to strong frame and excellent size. A solid shot-blocker with his vertical size and length. An unintelligent team defender. A man-to-man defender who struggles outside of low post defense. Very athletic. Great mobility combined with excellent size. Has an awful lot of tools to work with long term for a backup big man. The type of project a team with strong player development loves to have.

George Karl has also run his confidence into the ground a few times. Normally happens when Mozgov isn't playing and doesn't feel valued. So one should expect that to be the case right now. Needs some attention and time to get back to his best after he loses his confidence. A reclamation project as well as a player development project.

Due to his unintelligent team defense + unbalanced man-to-man defense, Mozgov is more a guy you play alongside a Kevin Garnett than behind him. Not a defensive anchor. But has some solid defensive strengths which would complement a defensive leader like KG (PF).

Wouldn't Bass be the fit for them over Lee? They have too many wings making mid-level money, and are thin at the 4.

I wonder if they'd give us Mozgov + either Randolph or Jordan Hamilton for Bass. I'd prefer Randolph but would take either.

Bass'd be a nice compliment / back-up to Faried and fits Karl's system pretty well.

Yeah, okay. That makes more sense. Bass would provide a nice contrast to Faried at PF.

Although ... Courtney Lee is fairly similar to Arron Afflalo who they supposedly miss. Especially Afflalo's shooting ability. Iggy is a sketchy shooter + neither Faried or Koufos/McGee can make a shot outside of 6 feet consistently.

Courtney Lee could come off the bench and play big minutes with Iggy (SF) and Gallinari (PF behind Faried) getting more minutes at the quick and big forward positions respectively. Give Denver a lot more floor spacing ... which they do need.

I think it could work either way. Bass or Lee.

Sure. I'm thinking of Chandler too. Similar game (if not better) than Lee's when he returns. They're locked into him for quite a while.
Title: Re: NBA's top trade canidates per yahoo sports (Mozgov trade idea)
Post by: Who on December 17, 2012, 10:45:56 AM
I wonder if they'd give us Mozgov + either Randolph or Jordan Hamilton for Bass. I'd prefer Randolph but would take either.
I don't think they'd give up Jordan Hamilton. He looks really interesting as a prospect. I think he'd be playing a lot more on a team that didn't have Gallinari and Iggy as SF options ahead of him. Wilson Chandler too when he returns. They have a good talent there in Jordan Hamilton and I am pretty sure they think so too. I don't think they'll give him up that easily. 

A.Randolph is too much of a long term project for my taste. I am not interested in taking him on here in Boston. We have one raw big man already in Fab Melo who we can't rely on.

Corey Brewer is a player I would be interested in. Big athletic two guard who can play some small forward. Gives some nice insurance on the wing behind Jeff Green and Paul Pierce.
Title: Re: NBA's top trade canidates per yahoo sports (Mozgov trade idea)
Post by: CFAN38 on December 17, 2012, 10:51:27 AM
My trade idea would send Lee to Indiana and Hansbourgh to Denver. I added melo and a 1st to the deal because i always feel like fans leave trades to one sided. So in proposing the trade I added value to it till i thought it was maxed out. Meaning Lee + Melo + a late rd 1st is the most i see the Cs giving up.

With AB coming back Lee's minutes are going to drop. I would rather have the roster space go to a 7'1 athletic 26yr old center then another wing player in the platoon.
Title: Re: NBA's top trade canidates per yahoo sports (Mozgov trade idea)
Post by: ssspence on December 17, 2012, 11:09:38 AM
I wonder if they'd give us Mozgov + either Randolph or Jordan Hamilton for Bass. I'd prefer Randolph but would take either.
I don't think they'd give up Jordan Hamilton. He looks really interesting as a prospect. I think he'd be playing a lot more on a team that didn't have Gallinari and Iggy as SF options ahead of him. Wilson Chandler too when he returns. They have a good talent there in Jordan Hamilton and I am pretty sure they think so too. I don't think they'll give him up that easily. 

A.Randolph is too much of a long term project for my taste. I am not interested in taking him on here in Boston. We have one raw big man already in Fab Melo who we can't rely on.

Corey Brewer is a player I would be interested in. Big athletic two guard who can play some small forward. Gives some nice insurance on the wing behind Jeff Green and Paul Pierce.

Again, we agree. I'd happily take Brewer, though obviously that would make more sense in a deal for Lee than Bass.

I didn't realize they value Hamilton quite that highly.

Yes.. Randolph is a project. But his natural talent at the price (locked in for <$2mil per year) is worth it in a two for one deal here.

I'd be so very curious to see whether KG and Doc could get under his skin. Who knows, maybe he could even stop a few no names from dunking on us 5-10 times every night.
Title: Re: NBA's top trade canidates per yahoo sports (Mozgov trade idea)
Post by: hpantazo on December 17, 2012, 11:21:55 AM
Too bad we have nothing to offer the Twolves for Love, I would trade almost anyone on the roster for him if he's available. Our best asset is Rondo and they already have Rubio.

A few names not on that list that I think we could get for cheap are Drew Gooden, Emeka Okafor, and Samuel Dalembert. Each have issues, but each one fills a need.
Title: Re: NBA's top trade canidates per yahoo sports (Mozgov trade idea)
Post by: D.o.s. on December 17, 2012, 11:28:50 AM
Call me crazy but I'm not giving up Lee and Melo for a third string center. Almost every deal I see includes melo and we have yet to even see him play

That's where I'm at too.

Title: Re: NBA's top trade canidates per yahoo sports (Mozgov trade idea)
Post by: RJ87 on December 17, 2012, 11:36:42 AM
No real surprises here. Most have been reported -- only one we haven't seen is Henderson, who would be redundant on the Cs.

The target (on this list, anyway) should be Evans. Per Spears, money continues to be an issue for them, so we'd have to take something off their hands financially to entice them to give him up.

I'd take Salmons to get him. You could trade Green, Lee and pick / cash for Evans and Salmons. It makes some sense from both a basketball and financial POV for SAC, though they might prefer to get a "young prospect" for him...

I'd also take a risk on Tyreke Evans - as I said in a previous thread, I think he and Rondo can learn to coexist in the same backcourt. Not clue what it'd take to get him though.
Title: Re: NBA's top trade canidates per yahoo sports (Mozgov trade idea)
Post by: hpantazo on December 17, 2012, 11:44:40 AM
No real surprises here. Most have been reported -- only one we haven't seen is Henderson, who would be redundant on the Cs.

The target (on this list, anyway) should be Evans. Per Spears, money continues to be an issue for them, so we'd have to take something off their hands financially to entice them to give him up.

I'd take Salmons to get him. You could trade Green, Lee and pick / cash for Evans and Salmons. It makes some sense from both a basketball and financial POV for SAC, though they might prefer to get a "young prospect" for him...

I'd also take a risk on Tyreke Evans - as I said in a previous thread, I think he and Rondo can learn to coexist in the same backcourt. Not clue what it'd take to get him though.

I don't think we have a shot at Evans. We have no expiring contracts to save the kings some money, and they have plenty of power forwards. I don't imagine they would want an over the hill Paul Pierce either.

Maybe Bradley plus Lee/Bass and Melo/picks?
Title: Re: NBA's top trade canidates per yahoo sports (Mozgov trade idea)
Post by: ssspence on December 17, 2012, 12:15:56 PM
No real surprises here. Most have been reported -- only one we haven't seen is Henderson, who would be redundant on the Cs.

The target (on this list, anyway) should be Evans. Per Spears, money continues to be an issue for them, so we'd have to take something off their hands financially to entice them to give him up.

I'd take Salmons to get him. You could trade Green, Lee and pick / cash for Evans and Salmons. It makes some sense from both a basketball and financial POV for SAC, though they might prefer to get a "young prospect" for him...

I'd also take a risk on Tyreke Evans - as I said in a previous thread, I think he and Rondo can learn to coexist in the same backcourt. Not clue what it'd take to get him though.

I don't think we have a shot at Evans. We have no expiring contracts to save the kings some money, and they have plenty of power forwards. I don't imagine they would want an over the hill Paul Pierce either.

Maybe Bradley plus Lee/Bass and Melo/picks?

Green is a small forward.

I think the point is they don't plan to invest long term in Evans, which probably requires considerably more than the current $5mil a year he's making. What I'm proposing gives them a better player the Salmons at the same money, and indeed a starting SF. Then, they get a solid back-up for Thornton in Lee as a pretty reasonable ticket ($5mil per).

It's hard for SAC to get players like Green and Lee to sign with them. And Salmons is their worst player, in terms of value for a cash-strapped team. It's also my impression that they feel they have plenty of young guys, so the expiring + mid-to-high 1st rounder might not be ideal for them at this point.
Title: Re: NBA's top trade canidates per yahoo sports (Mozgov trade idea)
Post by: Who on December 17, 2012, 12:26:40 PM
I think Sacramento could be hard pressed to get comparable value for Tyreke Evans in the trade market. He is in the last year of his contract. He will be a restricted free agent so he'll retain some of his value. But he also faces a large contract extension that could be uncomfortable for his new team to match.

I could see him going for a lot less than Sacramento should receive. An average or a bit above average starter that is young veteran (maybe Goran Dragic) could be enough to snare Tyreke. A low lottery pick in the #10 to #14 range could also be quite attractive. It's a weak draft so maybe they even get a mid-lotto pick. 

A trade package based around Jeff Green in exchange for Tyreke ... isn't crazy. A Green + 1st rounder could be a very competitive offer.

There is a chance Sacramento could get a better offer and get solid value for Tyreke but I think the odds are against them. I think they'll be much more likely to take a major loss talent wise in trading Tyreke.
Title: Re: NBA's top trade canidates per yahoo sports (Mozgov trade idea)
Post by: Who on December 17, 2012, 12:32:20 PM
A Paul Millsap for Tyreke Evans would be a pretty interesting trade.

PG: Tyreke, Mo Will
SG: Hayward, (Tyreke)
SF: Marvin, (Hayward)
PF: Favors, (Big Al)
C:  Big Al, Kanter

Not sure how good a fit Millsap would be but he may be the most talented player (current ability) Sacramento could get for Tyreke Evans. There would need to be some subsequent trades with J.Thompson or T.Robinson to re-balance the lineup. I think Millsap would be very good for Cousins.
Title: Re: NBA's top trade canidates per yahoo sports (Mozgov trade idea)
Post by: ssspence on December 17, 2012, 12:38:58 PM
Just felt like looping both the Denver and Sacramento ideas into one trade.

http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6180952

Obviously, these could be done totally separately, but I didn't feel the need to post both.

I suspect a pick might need to go to SAC. One idea would be to trade them back both of their 2nd round picks we own.
Title: Re: NBA's top trade canidates per yahoo sports (Mozgov trade idea)
Post by: Vermont Green on December 17, 2012, 05:05:40 PM
Just felt like looping both the Denver and Sacramento ideas into one trade.

http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6180952

Obviously, these could be done totally separately, but I didn't feel the need to post both.

I suspect a pick might need to go to SAC. One idea would be to trade them back both of their 2nd round picks we own.

This seems very realistic and interesting but yes, I do think you need to add something to Sac's pot.  Maybe Melo instead of Collins? (Who would want Collins, that is probably negative trade value for Sac).
Title: Re: NBA's top trade canidates per yahoo sports (Mozgov trade idea)
Post by: ScottHow on December 17, 2012, 05:15:53 PM
I'd rather just give Melo the minutes if I had to choose between him and Mozgov.
Title: Re: NBA's top trade canidates per yahoo sports (Mozgov trade idea)
Post by: jdz101 on December 17, 2012, 05:54:59 PM
Tyler hansbrough is a bum.

(http://kevintcraig.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/07rocky_bd_mickey1.jpg)
Title: Re: NBA's top trade canidates per yahoo sports (Mozgov trade idea)
Post by: CelticsFan9 on December 17, 2012, 05:59:18 PM
Tyler hansbrough is a bum.

(http://kevintcraig.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/07rocky_bd_mickey1.jpg)

How things change.  Remember when Hansbrough was seen as a hot commodity?  After the '11 playoffs, I thought he was going to be a key piece for Indiana.  Didn't we almost trade Ray for him and a first?  Last year he was awful, and this year he has rarely played.  Very strange.
Title: Re: NBA's top trade canidates per yahoo sports (Mozgov trade idea)
Post by: fairweatherfan on December 17, 2012, 08:00:16 PM
Tyler hansbrough is a bum.

(http://kevintcraig.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/07rocky_bd_mickey1.jpg)

How things change.  Remember when Hansbrough was seen as a hot commodity?  After the '11 playoffs, I thought he was going to be a key piece for Indiana.  Didn't we almost trade Ray for him and a first?  Last year he was awful, and this year he has rarely played.  Very strange.

Worse - Bird leaked that Danny had asked him for Hansbrough and a 1st, and Bird considered that a ridiculous overpay.   Probably partly because it would've been a 1/2 season rental for Indy, but still, Tyler's really fallen off.
Title: Re: NBA's top trade canidates per yahoo sports (Mozgov trade idea)
Post by: ScottHow on December 17, 2012, 08:09:48 PM
Tyler hansbrough is a bum.

(http://kevintcraig.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/07rocky_bd_mickey1.jpg)

How things change.  Remember when Hansbrough was seen as a hot commodity?  After the '11 playoffs, I thought he was going to be a key piece for Indiana.  Didn't we almost trade Ray for him and a first?  Last year he was awful, and this year he has rarely played.  Very strange.

Worse - Bird leaked that Danny had asked him for Hansbrough and a 1st, and Bird considered that a ridiculous overpay.   Probably partly because it would've been a 1/2 season rental for Indy, but still, Tyler's really fallen off.

Had him on my fantasy team last year thinking he'd be a sleeper.........
Title: Re: NBA's top trade canidates per yahoo sports (Mozgov trade idea)
Post by: ssspence on December 17, 2012, 08:50:24 PM
Just felt like looping both the Denver and Sacramento ideas into one trade.

http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6180952

Obviously, these could be done totally separately, but I didn't feel the need to post both.

I suspect a pick might need to go to SAC. One idea would be to trade them back both of their 2nd round picks we own.

This seems very realistic and interesting but yes, I do think you need to add something to Sac's pot.  Maybe Melo instead of Collins? (Who would want Collins, that is probably negative trade value for Sac).

They don't need another project -- they have a young center who needs to learn. They need veterans of good character who might rub off on guys like Cousins.
Title: Re: NBA's top trade canidates per yahoo sports (Mozgov trade idea)
Post by: ssspence on December 18, 2012, 01:21:12 PM
No real surprises here. Most have been reported -- only one we haven't seen is Henderson, who would be redundant on the Cs.

The target (on this list, anyway) should be Evans. Per Spears, money continues to be an issue for them, so we'd have to take something off their hands financially to entice them to give him up.

I'd take Salmons to get him. You could trade Green, Lee and pick / cash for Evans and Salmons. It makes some sense from both a basketball and financial POV for SAC, though they might prefer to get a "young prospect" for him...

I'd also take a risk on Tyreke Evans - as I said in a previous thread, I think he and Rondo can learn to coexist in the same backcourt. Not clue what it'd take to get him though.

Just wanted to follow up with a quote today from Chad Ford on the question of whether the Kings should trade Evans:

"Ford: Strongly Agree. They should've never drafted him. At the time GM Geoff Petrie was trying to save his job and wanted a guy who could come in and play right away. A few years later, it's pretty clear that Evans peaked in his rookie year. The Kings are a mess and Evans' style of play doesn't help things, and, again, his stock is so low, I'm not sure what the value will be. One team to watch is the Celtics -- Danny Ainge loved him before the draft. I'm not sure Boston has the assets to get a deal done, but I could see them trying to make something happen."

Maybe I'm overestimating what it'd take to get Evans -- They may simply want addition by subtraction there.

Evans for Green at the core could make sense, but without Salmons.

Evans & Garcia for Green, Melo & Collins works.
Title: Re: NBA's top trade canidates per yahoo sports (Mozgov trade idea)
Post by: Kane3387 on December 18, 2012, 02:39:43 PM
No real surprises here. Most have been reported -- only one we haven't seen is Henderson, who would be redundant on the Cs.

The target (on this list, anyway) should be Evans. Per Spears, money continues to be an issue for them, so we'd have to take something off their hands financially to entice them to give him up.

I'd take Salmons to get him. You could trade Green, Lee and pick / cash for Evans and Salmons. It makes some sense from both a basketball and financial POV for SAC, though they might prefer to get a "young prospect" for him...

I'd also take a risk on Tyreke Evans - as I said in a previous thread, I think he and Rondo can learn to coexist in the same backcourt. Not clue what it'd take to get him though.

Just wanted to follow up with a quote today from Chad Ford on the question of whether the Kings should trade Evans:

"Ford: Strongly Agree. They should've never drafted him. At the time GM Geoff Petrie was trying to save his job and wanted a guy who could come in and play right away. A few years later, it's pretty clear that Evans peaked in his rookie year. The Kings are a mess and Evans' style of play doesn't help things, and, again, his stock is so low, I'm not sure what the value will be. One team to watch is the Celtics -- Danny Ainge loved him before the draft. I'm not sure Boston has the assets to get a deal done, but I could see them trying to make something happen."

Maybe I'm overestimating what it'd take to get Evans -- They may simply want addition by subtraction there.

Evans for Green at the core could make sense, but without Salmons.

Evans & Garcia for Green, Melo & Collins works.

Just read this. And am currently thinking of reasonable and realistic trades that would bring him to Boston. Jason Terry is the perfect two guard to play next to Evans as a PG.

At first i didn't think Evans and Rondo could really play together. Then the more I thought about it I decided I think they could.

Evans excels in isolation. Pierce used to play a lot of isolation with Rondo. If Evans became the main isolation threat for the Celtics and Pierce became more of the floor spacer like Ray Allen was then I think it might work. Pierce is kind of adapting his offense in this way anyways (shooting more threes and coming off screens more then ever).

On the break Evans runs the floor as the cutter and Pierce the trailer. Evans can't shoot threes, so he would have to be able to create with the mid-range when he doesn't have the ball.
Title: Re: NBA's top trade canidates per yahoo sports (Mozgov trade idea)
Post by: Kane3387 on December 18, 2012, 02:47:39 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=cau266y

This trade works.

Bradley, Melo, Lee, and Collins (add a first)

for

Evans and Thompson.

Currently the Kings only have Thornton and Evans listed as their SGs. So after Thornton they would have Lee and AB to help in that position. AB could also play some PG for them. Him and Melo provide young talent on rookie contracts. Lee has proven to be a solid player and is on a solid contract if he plays like he has in the past.

Moving Evans and Thompson means Robinson is given more minutes. Also they get some young talent and assets for Evans who will want an extension after this season.

Maybe a third team is needed to take Lee...
Title: Re: NBA's top trade canidates per yahoo sports (Mozgov trade idea)
Post by: ssspence on December 18, 2012, 02:48:05 PM
No real surprises here. Most have been reported -- only one we haven't seen is Henderson, who would be redundant on the Cs.

The target (on this list, anyway) should be Evans. Per Spears, money continues to be an issue for them, so we'd have to take something off their hands financially to entice them to give him up.

I'd take Salmons to get him. You could trade Green, Lee and pick / cash for Evans and Salmons. It makes some sense from both a basketball and financial POV for SAC, though they might prefer to get a "young prospect" for him...

I'd also take a risk on Tyreke Evans - as I said in a previous thread, I think he and Rondo can learn to coexist in the same backcourt. Not clue what it'd take to get him though.

Just wanted to follow up with a quote today from Chad Ford on the question of whether the Kings should trade Evans:

"Ford: Strongly Agree. They should've never drafted him. At the time GM Geoff Petrie was trying to save his job and wanted a guy who could come in and play right away. A few years later, it's pretty clear that Evans peaked in his rookie year. The Kings are a mess and Evans' style of play doesn't help things, and, again, his stock is so low, I'm not sure what the value will be. One team to watch is the Celtics -- Danny Ainge loved him before the draft. I'm not sure Boston has the assets to get a deal done, but I could see them trying to make something happen."

Maybe I'm overestimating what it'd take to get Evans -- They may simply want addition by subtraction there.

Evans for Green at the core could make sense, but without Salmons.

Evans & Garcia for Green, Melo & Collins works.

Just read this. And am currently thinking of reasonable and realistic trades that would bring him to Boston. Jason Terry is the perfect two guard to play next to Evans as a PG.

At first i didn't think Evans and Rondo could really play together. Then the more I thought about it I decided I think they could.

Evans excels in isolation. Pierce used to play a lot of isolation with Rondo. If Evans became the main isolation threat for the Celtics and Pierce became more of the floor spacer like Ray Allen was then I think it might work. Pierce is kind of adapting his offense in this way anyways (shooting more threes and coming off screens more then ever).

On the break Evans runs the floor as the cutter and Pierce the trailer. Evans can't shoot threes, so he would have to be able to create with the mid-range when he doesn't have the ball.

I'm not as optimistic about fit as the above. Trying to plug Evans in would be a highly risky move. But Ainge may decide he has to take some chances to increase the likelihood of #18 with the current core.