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Around the League => Transaction Ideas and Rumors => Topic started by: Rtpas11 on December 15, 2012, 10:10:22 PM
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BOS Sends: Rondo, Green, Bass
BOS Gets : Anderson, Calderon, Davis
NOH Sends: Anderson,
NOH Gets : Bargnani, Green
TOR Sends: Davis, Calderon, Bargnani
TOR Gets : Rondo, Bass
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Hahaha
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Ughh, we're giving up a superstar point guard for a 3 point shooting PF? No thanks...
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they need to do something.
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Give it a bit more time. Nothing is happening here that I didn't anticipate. It's a flawed roster. Adding some mediocre undersized shooting guards in replace of Ray Allen didn't suddenly transform us into World Beaters. Let's see what happens as the trade deadline approaches. We still have a shot of improving this team.
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while i agree we need to make a trade u gotta get outta here wit dat offer lol its rumored da Jazz wanna trade either Al Jefferson or Paul Milsap Celtics need to hop on dat
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I hate smallball . No paint defense , worst rebounding team in league...this is NOT the basketball I associate with Boston.
Danny HELP :'(
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No thanks.
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If we start Green at 3, pierce at 2 all of a sudden we aren
t really small at all. we don't need a trade but if there is a skilled big man out there obviously you gotta try to get him
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Blow up these forums if threads like this keep coming up
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Throw in Bradley for Roger Mason Jr, Sully for Aaron Gray, and Green for Aminu and you got yourself a deal.
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I want to see rondo, lee, green, Wilcox, and garnett start. maybe start pierce but keep him on the herman Cain/ garnett 5-5-5 plan. if we can't win we need to develop these younger guys. it will also allow us to inflate their stats for possible trades.
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Not sure about blowing it up, but this team does suck right now! No two ways about it. At the rate they've been going this season, they follow one win with three losses.
I am also really starting to wonder about Doc Rivers as a coach.
First, he didn't defend Rondo in the Humphries incident, then he publicly berates his team by calling them soft and then he shoots the s*** with Popovich after his team losses their second game on the road.
I think the old Doc is a little TOO comfortable and secure with his job right now. If anything, this team right now needs the opposite of Doc.
A coach who will defend his players and ask him team to be a bully to other teams (Phil Jackson, Pat Riley, etc.)
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Blow up these forums if threads like this keep coming up
Guys, last time I checked, fans have every right to be upset then the team plays like s***.
Freedom of speech.
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Right now at the point that I wouldn't mind the Celtics struggling if it means that Doc will re-evaluate how much the ball sticks in Rondo's hands and his substitution pattern with KG. Winning a few games here and losing a few there apparently keeps him contented, I guess because he feels the Celtics are going to be darkhorse 7th seeds in the playoffs and that's good enough for him.
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Right now at the point that I wouldn't mind the Celtics struggling if it means that Doc will re-evaluate how much the ball sticks in Rondo's hands and his substitution pattern with KG. Winning a few games here and losing a few there apparently keeps him contented, I guess because he feels the Celtics are going to be darkhorse 7th seeds in the playoffs and that's good enough for him.
Yup, well said. The only player on this team right now that I am happy with is KG. As for the rest of the team, the whole roster is fair game!
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BOS Sends: Rondo, Green, Bass
BOS Gets : Anderson, Calderon, Davis
NOH Sends: Anderson,
NOH Gets : Bargnani, Green
TOR Sends: Davis, Calderon, Bargnani
TOR Gets : Rondo, Bass
I actually like this deal for the Celtics.
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So the Hornets give up their number one pick for Barnagni and Jeff Green.
Hmmm somehow I don't see them doing that.
where do you people get these ideas?
Do people even consider what the management of the other team would say.
Hornets fans would find this hysterical.
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Right now at the point that I wouldn't mind the Celtics struggling if it means that Doc will re-evaluate how much the ball sticks in Rondo's hands and his substitution pattern with KG. Winning a few games here and losing a few there apparently keeps him contented, I guess because he feels the Celtics are going to be darkhorse 7th seeds in the playoffs and that's good enough for him.
Yup, well said. The only player on this team right now that I am happy with is KG. As for the rest of the team, the whole roster is fair game!
I basically agree.
KG ....is the only "IMPACT" player the Celtics have , PP best days are gone, ROndo is a head case , the rest are Average at best. No rebounding , no energy and out manned at nearly ever postion.
Might as well play AB, Joseph , Fab , and Sully ... let em get better.
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So the Hornets give up their number one pick for Barnagni and Jeff Green.
Hmmm somehow I don't see them doing that.
where do you people get these ideas?
Do people even consider what the management of the other team would say.
Hornets fans would find this hysterical.
I think he was referring to Ed Davis from Toronto.
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BOS Sends: Rondo, Green, Bass
BOS Gets : Anderson, Calderon, Davis
NOH Sends: Anderson,
NOH Gets : Bargnani, Green
TOR Sends: Davis, Calderon, Bargnani
TOR Gets : Rondo, Bass
So we trade out the best player by a mile (Rondo), arguably the second best player in the deal (Green) and another quality PF (Bass) for a PF that's a little better than the one we're trading (Anderson), a low-quality PG that plays horrid D and a PF prospect that still has to produce consistently (Davis)? yeesh
NOH and Toronto just became your best friends.
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Thank you, I needed a good laugh.
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So the Hornets give up their number one pick for Barnagni and Jeff Green.
Hmmm somehow I don't see them doing that.
where do you people get these ideas?
Do people even consider what the management of the other team would say.
Hornets fans would find this hysterical.
I think he was referring to Ed Davis from Toronto.
Oops. My apologies.
Not as bad but now we are losing Rondo for Ryan Anderson + a few other mediocre NBA players? Not my style.
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If we start Green at 3, pierce at 2 all of a sudden we aren
t really small at all. we don't need a trade but if there is a skilled big man out there obviously you gotta try to get him
watched green stay in front of and smother tony parker on one play last night, made me think of starting him at the 2 and keep pp at the 3.
talk about mismatches...
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I have no problem blowing the team up at this point, but this is an awful trade that does nothing except make the Celtics significantly worse
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watched green stay in front of and smother tony parker on one play last night, made me think of starting him at the 2 and keep pp at the 3.
talk about mismatches...
He drove at will too. I doubt Doc saw it.
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Rondo is a great player but you'll have to understand that other Franchises do not see the same value in him as we do. If so he would've been traded. He's a great player but not a great fit for this ball club.
Calderon & Ed Davis when giving minutes produce very good #'s. imagine Calderon playing 38 minutes a game like Rondo does, he'll avg more points & assist then Rondo. Davis is a very good defender, great rebounder & efficient scorer that knows his limits. Ryan Anderson is Ryan Anderson, yall all know his greatness.
Noh clearly needs a point guard. Vasquez is ok. but for a back-up only. I didn't get in to too much detail about the trade obviously, there will be other pieces added (Aaorn Gray, Aminu etc..), but the main is what I posted. I LOVE THIS TRADE FOR ALL OF THE TEAMS!
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Noh clearly needs a point guard. Vasquez is ok. but for a back-up only. I didn't get in to too much detail about the trade obviously, there will be other pieces added (Aaorn Gray, Aminu etc..), but the main is what I posted. I LOVE THIS TRADE FOR ALL OF THE TEAMS!
I didn't realize you were serious. My inclusion of those players for ours was basically a joke. There is absolutely no way Danny does such a horrible trade.
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Blow it up with an awful trade? No thanks
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How is the trade awful? Did yall not witness Calderon performance yesterday? He had a triple double. Ed davis also was efficient (only playing the the 1st & 3d) & Ryan Anderson was letting it fly last night.
This trade will benefit us & the other teams needs big time. too bad it won't happen Danny!
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How is the trade awful? Did yall not witness Calderon performance yesterday? He had a triple double. Ed davis also was efficient (only playing the the 1st & 3d) & Ryan Anderson was letting it fly last night.
This trade will benefit us & the other teams needs big time. too bad it won't happen Danny!
You propose to trade a elite talent in Rondo (top five PG) without getting any elite talent back in return either in the form of established stars or top level prospects. You don't trade star talent like Rondo who is in his prime and on an affordable contract for depth.
I like Jose Calderon. I think he is a top 15 PG in the league. Ed Davis is a middle of the pack backup PF but he has some solid potential to him and could be a solid starter one day. Ryan Anderson is a very good backup PF to passable starter.
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How is the trade awful? Did yall not witness Calderon performance yesterday? He had a triple double. Ed davis also was efficient (only playing the the 1st & 3d) & Ryan Anderson was letting it fly last night.
This trade will benefit us & the other teams needs big time. too bad it won't happen Danny!
You propose to trade a elite talent in Rondo (top five PG) without getting any elite talent back in return either in the form of established stars or top level prospects. You don't trade star talent like Rondo who is in his prime and on an affordable contract for depth.
I like Jose Calderon. I think he is a top 15 PG in the league. Ed Davis is a middle of the pack backup PF but he has some solid potential to him and could be a solid starter one day. Ryan Anderson is a very good backup PF to passable starter.
Exactly, the trade doesn't make any sense as frankly Green and Bass are nearly as good as Davis and Anderson (and might actually be better). In other words, Boston downgrades pretty much across the board, which equates to an awful trade. Now if Boston was receiving Calderon, Bargnani, and DeRozan in addition to Anderson, I think it would at least be plausible (though I still wouldn't do it).
This trade does work financially (though again I don't think it would get done, it is just more plausible from Boston's perspective)
BOS gets - Anderson, Calderon, Bargnani, DeRozan
TOR gets - Rondo, Bass, Lee
NOH gets - Green, Melo
That would put Boston's lineup as
PG - Calderon, Terry
SG - Bradley, DeRozan, Terry
SF - Pierce, DeRozan
PF - Bargnani, Anderson, Sullinger
C - Garnett, Bargnani, Wilcox
Not really sure that makes the C's a better team overall, but it does add a lot of depth down low and gives the C's a much bigger SG for the situations when they need one, so it is at least a plausible trade from that perspective.
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How is the trade awful? Did yall not witness Calderon performance yesterday? He had a triple double. Ed davis also was efficient (only playing the the 1st & 3d) & Ryan Anderson was letting it fly last night.
This trade will benefit us & the other teams needs big time. too bad it won't happen Danny!
You're expecting Calderon to play like that on a regular basis?
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New offer...
Noh sends: Anderson
Noh Gets : Green, Lee
Bos Sends: Green, Lee
Bost Gets: Anderson
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kick the small ball coach out and get sloan. ;D seriously i'm tired of watching him coach and his small ball ideas.
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New offer...
Noh sends: Anderson
Noh Gets : Green, Lee
Bos Sends: Green, Lee
Bost Gets: Anderson
still sucks.
Green is at least as good as Anderson (actually better IMHO). AND you want to throw Lee in to? yeesh.
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New offer...
Noh sends: Anderson
Noh Gets : Green, Lee
Bos Sends: Green, Lee
Bost Gets: Anderson
still sucks.
Green is at least as good as Anderson (actually better IMHO). AND you want to throw Lee in to? yeesh.
Based on what?
Anderson has better stats then Green did when he was getting the same amount of minutes. Two seasons now of better stats. As he has increased his touches this season vs. last, his shooting percentages have increased and even his assist to TO ratio has increased.
He looks like a starting PF who is showing growth beyond what Green (who has hit a plateau early on) has done.
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New offer...
Noh sends: Anderson
Noh Gets : Green, Lee
Bos Sends: Green, Lee
Bost Gets: Anderson
still sucks.
Green is at least as good as Anderson (actually better IMHO). AND you want to throw Lee in to? yeesh.
Based on what?
Anderson has better stats then Green did when he was getting the same amount of minutes. Two seasons now of better stats. As he has increased his touches this season vs. last, his shooting percentages have increased and even his assist to TO ratio has increased.
He looks like a starting PF who is showing growth beyond what Green (who has hit a plateau early on) has done.
Green plays better defense. ANd Green can play the SF spot while Anderson can't. We can't rely on Kris Joseph as the Pierce back up, yet.
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New offer...
Noh sends: Anderson
Noh Gets : Green, Lee
Bos Sends: Green, Lee
Bost Gets: Anderson
still sucks.
Green is at least as good as Anderson (actually better IMHO). AND you want to throw Lee in to? yeesh.
Based on what?
Anderson has better stats then Green did when he was getting the same amount of minutes. Two seasons now of better stats. As he has increased his touches this season vs. last, his shooting percentages have increased and even his assist to TO ratio has increased.
He looks like a starting PF who is showing growth beyond what Green (who has hit a plateau early on) has done.
Green plays better defense. ANd Green can play the SF spot while Anderson can't. We can't rely on Kris Joseph as the Pierce back up, yet.
I am not saying make this trade. Celtics need a bigger big man at this point.
But Anderson is the better player at this point.
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New offer...
Noh sends: Anderson
Noh Gets : Green, Lee
Bos Sends: Green, Lee
Bost Gets: Anderson
still sucks.
Green is at least as good as Anderson (actually better IMHO). AND you want to throw Lee in to? yeesh.
Based on what?
Anderson has better stats then Green did when he was getting the same amount of minutes. Two seasons now of better stats. As he has increased his touches this season vs. last, his shooting percentages have increased and even his assist to TO ratio has increased.
He looks like a starting PF who is showing growth beyond what Green (who has hit a plateau early on) has done.
Green plays better defense. ANd Green can play the SF spot while Anderson can't. We can't rely on Kris Joseph as the Pierce back up, yet.
You don't worry about backups if you can upgrade your starting lineup.
That said New Orleans doesn't make that trade so it isn't worth discussing.
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How is the trade awful? Did yall not witness Calderon performance yesterday? He had a triple double. Ed davis also was efficient (only playing the the 1st & 3d) & Ryan Anderson was letting it fly last night.
This trade will benefit us & the other teams needs big time. too bad it won't happen Danny!
The trade is awful for the C's, unless you think Davis is going to be a star (which I don't).
Anderson is a nice player, but nowhere close to someone you can build a team around. He is a third or 4th option on a good team.
Calderon is a rental, and while still a halfway decent PG, he is not what he was 3 or 4 years ago.
Davis looked like an intriguing prospect when he was putting up solid numbers as a 20 year old rookie. However, he has actually regressed since his rookie year, and it now looks like he is a questional prospect at best.
While I am open to Rondo trades, it only makes sense if you are trading him for an even better star player, or multiple players with the potential to be stars. Not a bunch of mediocre pieces.
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New offer...
Noh sends: Anderson
Noh Gets : Green, Lee
Bos Sends: Green, Lee
Bost Gets: Anderson
And this deal NOH laugh at. They are loaded at the SG spot, and Aminu looks like their future at SF. But mostly, they just have no reason to want to give up Anderson right now, unless they are getting more value. For the same reason the C's won't trade Rondo for Anderson, the Hornets won't trade Anderson for Green and Lee.