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Around the League => Transaction Ideas and Rumors => Topic started by: Tr1boy on December 15, 2012, 03:50:54 PM
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I think its time to trade Pierce. Taking way too many shots without making them and also its getting a little tiring of the team depending on him on iso situations late in the 4th. Depending on him and pierce repeatedly failing to come through.
We need up front depth, youth, athleticism , and come up with other ways to get it done late in the game. I love Pierce and he is going to be considered one of the best celts that ever played but we need to get out of this "hole". I'm sure Pierce would want that for the only team he has played. Also he gets a chance for a new start for his old age.
So i pick GS as a key destination for Pierce to go to. They have a really dangerous looking team, but are way too young overall to go anywhere for the next few years. You add a vet like Pierce into the lineup and suddenly you can be considered as a legit contender out of the west.
So trade proposal
to GS: Pierce and Lee
To Bos: Biedrins, Ezeli, Green, 1st and 2nd round picks
Biedrins would then be waived, or kept as a insurance player. Overall it looks like GS gets better vs the celts, but remember 2 things
1. Maybe only chance to get decent returns for Pierce
2. Pierce being an older player can't get you back a promising young gun or all star caliber player
I also would like to see Kris Joseph get a chance to play at the sf spot. If worse case , while losing a bit of scoring you get two guys in Draymond Green and Ezeli who are hard nosed rookies , that can rebound. I personally love the way Green plays and was hoping to god we draft him. He is in really good shape now, and really gave Lebron James all he could handle a few days ago. He can shoot well, dribble , pass, post up but now is focusing on rebounding and doing other dirty work. Ezeli reminds me of Perk, plays hard, has a strong body, long arms and doesn't mind doing the dirty work underneath the basket. Maybe we should of drafted his sure play vs Melo's potential.
Lineup after the trade
Ezeli, KG, Jeff Green, Bradley, Rondo
Bench
Wilcox, Sullinger, Draymond Green, Joseph, Terry, Barbosa
thoughts
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Honestly, I think that's a really poor return for Pierce. I don't see any of those pieces as building blocks.
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Honestly, I think that's a really poor return for Pierce. I don't see any of those pieces as building blocks.
Roy i understand. It seems like thats not good enough for one of the best Celts ever. But in your opinion what do you think we can realistically get back?? Most of the nice young players are on non contending playoff teams. For example, Ryan Anderson, Jason Thompson. Those kind of teams wouldn't benefit alot or would it be enough to get into the playoffs to get a pierce. You got a team like the clippers who would salivate to get a chance to pickup pierce but can only give you back filler type players. All of these outrageous trade proposals for Deng, Gay make no sense for the bulls or memphis.
So again , what kind of fair or over the top return would you expect??
Ezeli and D. Green may never be all stars. But they won't be like a Jajuan Johnson where you don't know if they can stick it out in the nba. Ezeli by next year could be a consistent 10 point , 8 -10 rebounds player and D. Green 10 points, 7-10 rebounds, 3 assists player.
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I would rather take our lumps and let him retire here. Suck for a few years have we ever traded our captain's? No.
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so you basically want to trade Pierce for some bum averaging 3 points and 4 rebounds? Odd.
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I would rather take our lumps and let him retire here. Suck for a few years have we ever traded our captain's? No.
true. But can Pierce eventually accept the fact that he can't be the man in the last 5 min, taking all these shots that don't go in?? Can he accept by end of this year or next year , he might have to come off the bench??
Its a hard pill to swallow for former star like a Pierce and KG. sometimes its great and sometimes it gets ugly.
If he can't stomach this pill and like Ray Allen if he has to come off the bench, be it another team, then i would trade him. The celtics team is much more important than one player. Right now, pierce is getting the oldschool treatment without oldschool returns.
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That trade would make Boston so much worse ...
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so you basically want to trade Pierce for some bum averaging 3 points and 4 rebounds? Odd.
Both bums so you may call are 1st year rookies. Also drafted late in the draft. However there are probably 10-15 teams hitting their heads now on a desk somewhere for not choosing them. These bums are earning regular minutes in the rotation and making a difference for GS. This means likely they will be very good players for years to come. Better statistically also. GS would also not trade these gems, but have too many other young guys, are a deep team everywhere and is missing a legit vet that has a winning pedigree.
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Sorry, but this would go down as the worst trade in Celtics history. Very, very bad for the Celtics in almost every way possible.
Biedrins is the biggest offensive liability on offense in the NBA, as well as having one of the worst mentalities in the NBA. He's just all around bad. GS should be giving more assets to US for taking him.
Also, Golden State is 15-8. Their draft picks are worse than ours. They have no relative value compared to Pierce. It'd be around the 20-25 range.
We'd basically be trading Pierce for Green and Ezeli.
Our best closer would be Terry, and there's not much clutch factor other than him.
One o the few bright spots is that the Warriors would be come a lot more competitive and give the Lakers/Thunder/Spurs a run for their money, as well as we get decent prospects.
Those prospects would then have to compete with Sully, Bass, and Wilcox for time. All of them + Green are undersized PFs who are all not great at defense. I like Ezeli, though.
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I like Ezeli, but I don't have much interest in the other guys. Biedrins is a scrub. Draymond Green could be nice, but we've already filled our quota for undersized PF's.
Overall, very poor return for Pierce. In my opinion, the only time you trade Pierce is if you have a trade offer in hand that you just can't refuse. This is nowhere close to that kind of deal.
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Sorry, but this would go down as the worst trade in Celtics history. Very, very bad for the Celtics in almost every way possible.
Biedrins is the biggest offensive liability on offense in the NBA, as well as having one of the worst mentalities in the NBA. He's just all around bad. GS should be giving more assets to US for taking him.
Also, Golden State is 15-8. Their draft picks are worse than ours. They have no relative value compared to Pierce. It'd be around the 20-25 range.
We'd basically be trading Pierce for Green and Ezeli.
Our best closer would be Terry, and there's not much clutch factor other than him.
One o the few bright spots is that the Warriors would be come a lot more competitive and give the Lakers/Thunder/Spurs a run for their money, as well as we get decent prospects.
Those prospects would then have to compete with Sully, Bass, and Wilcox for time. All of them + Green are undersized PFs who are all not great at defense. I like Ezeli, though.
Green was considered a "tweener" in a bad way before the draft. He was too short with lack of hops to be a PF and too slow to be able to guard sf's. On the plus side he has long arms.
Right before the draft, his body was changing at a rapid pace. He is quite lean right now and could drop 5 to 7 more pounds to gain more speed. But he is imo considered a "tweener" in a good way now. His sudden body transformation makes him much quicker. So much so , he was able to give Lebron all he could handle a few days ago. Quickness, long arms, IQ to handle guys like Lebron. And he has alot of bag of offensive tricks, but right now focusing on playing defense, rebounding , setting picks and not making mistakes.
Ezeli also has slimmed now before the draft. Already a no nonsense , hard nosed college center, he was considered to have avg quickness that caused him some issues defending quicker guys. Now he is one of the quicker big man on the floor.
Best thing about both of these guys are , they are mature beyond their age, don't mind doing the dirty work (which we are dying lacking ever since losing perk) and will get better.
Again not a fair trade on paper now but by next year, it will be a trade that the celts come out on top, unless GS goes far in the playoffs (giving valuable experience to the young players) and/or do the impossible and win a championship
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I would be open to trading Pierce, but I'd like more than that.
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I like Ezeli, but I don't have much interest in the other guys. Biedrins is a scrub. Draymond Green could be nice, but we've already filled our quota for undersized PF's.
Overall, very poor return for Pierce. In my opinion, the only time you trade Pierce is if you have a trade offer in hand that you just can't refuse. This is nowhere close to that kind of deal.
so either a trade you can't refuse or retire him as a celtic, let him do iso's until he is close to 40 and impede on other players progress to come through in stressful situations?
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I would be open to trading Pierce, but I'd like more than that.
I would also. I would like a Tyreke Evans, or Ryan Anderson, or Iguadala. But that means also giving up a young gem like a Bradley.
Unless somebody owes ainge big, no team will be dumb enough to give up a young gem for pierce. Also looking at most of the contending teams that could benefit by having pierce, they can't give you anything that benefits the celts really. Some teams are packed at SF position like the wolves and wouldn't trade for pierce.
The bucks could give you Luc Mbah a Moute and Larry Sanders for Pierce. Would people be happier with these pieces vs Ezeli, Green and picks?
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so either a trade you can't refuse or retire him as a celtic, let him do iso's until he is close to 40 and impede on other players progress to come through in stressful situations?
Yep, pretty much. I don't trade the face of the franchise because I have a problem with one play at the end of the game. If I trade him, I do it because I'm getting a heck of a deal from somebody.
Mbah a Moute and Sanders would be a much more intriguing package. I like Larry Sanders a lot, and Mbah a Moute is a quality roleplayer.
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so either a trade you can't refuse or retire him as a celtic, let him do iso's until he is close to 40 and impede on other players progress to come through in stressful situations?
Yep, pretty much. I don't trade the face of the franchise because I have a problem with one play at the end of the game. If I trade him, I do it because I'm getting a heck of a deal from somebody.
Mbah a Moute and Sanders would be a much more intriguing package. I like Larry Sanders a lot, and Mbah a Moute is a quality roleplayer.
You make some good points. But pierce right now is not about one last shot. He is about shooting 5 for 14, 6 for 17, 10 for 25. He is not making a difference and these days making it harder for the team to win. Any decent nba sf can jack up 15 shots and at least make 5 or 6
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Unless it is a trade for a star, keep Pierce.
He is worth more then some teams poo-poo platter.
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You make some good points. But pierce right now is not about one last shot. He is about shooting 5 for 14, 6 for 17, 10 for 25. He is not making a difference and these days making it harder for the team to win. Any decent nba sf can jack up 15 shots and at least make 5 or 6
I agree that the shooting percentage is a bit worrisome, but not so much that I'm actively shopping him. I'd rather give him a month or two to see if he hits his stride. If he's still shooting 41% at that point in the season, then it's probably a good idea to see who's interested and what they'll offer. I think it's premature at this point, though.
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Unless it is a trade for a star, keep Pierce.
He is worth more then some teams poo-poo platter.
sorry but Ezeli and Green are far from being poo-poo platters. GS may even tell the celts forget it. Larry Sanders killed us a few weeks ago , has potential and def not crap.
We are getting killed up front and these guys would help out tremendously. Draymond Green for example would be the celts best rebounder instantaneously. That's how bad it has become
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Unless it is a trade for a star, keep Pierce.
He is worth more then some teams poo-poo platter.
sorry but Ezeli and Green are far from being poo-poo platters. GS may even tell the celts forget it. Larry Sanders killed us a few weeks ago , has potential and def not crap.
We are getting killed up front and these guys would help out tremendously. Draymond Green for example would be the celts best rebounder instantaneously. That's how bad it has become
Draymond Green has shot 27% thus far this season. Just some food for thought.
He's a solid rebounder as a PF and a very good one as an SF, but he's done nothing to show that he deserves to be a key piece in a trade that brings back Paul Pierce.
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You make some good points. But pierce right now is not about one last shot. He is about shooting 5 for 14, 6 for 17, 10 for 25. He is not making a difference and these days making it harder for the team to win. Any decent nba sf can jack up 15 shots and at least make 5 or 6
I agree that the shooting percentage is a bit worrisome, but not so much that I'm actively shopping him. I'd rather give him a month or two to see if he hits his stride. If he's still shooting 41% at that point in the season, then it's probably a good idea to see who's interested and what they'll offer. I think it's premature at this point, though.
I'll wait and hope but realistically i'm not expecting pierce back from 3 to 4 years ago. We keep him and he may still give us a few great playoff games. But right now, getting into the playoffs seems like a daunting task. Last year i give the team props for pulling it together and reaching the ECF. This year i don't expect that to happen, especially since we are brutal up front. Prob one of the worse rebounding/block teams in the league.
Even keeping Hollins and Stiemnsma would of been wiser than sign Green or Bass. The league going small imo is a bunch of bs. It works for the heat but that doesn't mean now that is the std.
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Unless it is a trade for a star, keep Pierce.
He is worth more then some teams poo-poo platter.
sorry but Ezeli and Green are far from being poo-poo platters. GS may even tell the celts forget it. Larry Sanders killed us a few weeks ago , has potential and def not crap.
We are getting killed up front and these guys would help out tremendously. Draymond Green for example would be the celts best rebounder instantaneously. That's how bad it has become
Draymond Green has shot 27% thus far this season. Just some food for thought.
He's a solid rebounder as a PF and a very good one as an SF, but he's done nothing to show that he deserves to be a key piece in a trade that brings back Paul Pierce.
Its not a good fg stat by any means. But he is focusing on other parts of the game right now, mainly rebounding and defense. I'm sure his fg percentage will increase as he gets accustomed to the nba more. He is def skilled , from shooting, dribbling, passing (considered with Royce White, the best passing forwards from this past draft).
If his stats was good at all parts of the game, why would GS even trade him? Even though he is not scoring, or doing much on offense, at crucial parts of the game, is out on the floor and not harrison barnes.
as for offensive potential take a look at the vid below. The great part of the video is how his new body, fixes quite a bit of the shown weaknesses , which mainly revolves having avg quickness then
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Htk2w3HZTZ0
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Unless it is a trade for a star, keep Pierce.
He is worth more then some teams poo-poo platter.
sorry but Ezeli and Green are far from being poo-poo platters. GS may even tell the celts forget it. Larry Sanders killed us a few weeks ago , has potential and def not crap.
We are getting killed up front and these guys would help out tremendously. Draymond Green for example would be the celts best rebounder instantaneously. That's how bad it has become
Yes, yes they are.
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Unless it is a trade for a star, keep Pierce.
He is worth more then some teams poo-poo platter.
sorry but Ezeli and Green are far from being poo-poo platters. GS may even tell the celts forget it. Larry Sanders killed us a few weeks ago , has potential and def not crap.
We are getting killed up front and these guys would help out tremendously. Draymond Green for example would be the celts best rebounder instantaneously. That's how bad it has become
Yes, yes they are.
The all star of Poo Poo platters in fact. 27% from the field. I get that there is a realistic possibility of Pierce being traded. But this helps us in zero way shape or form now or in the future. At least make a realistic proposal that Boston would consider. Not just a hunk a junk return to get rid of the captain because people think he is old. Unbelievable.
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Unless it is a trade for a star, keep Pierce.
He is worth more then some teams poo-poo platter.
sorry but Ezeli and Green are far from being poo-poo platters. GS may even tell the celts forget it. Larry Sanders killed us a few weeks ago , has potential and def not crap.
We are getting killed up front and these guys would help out tremendously. Draymond Green for example would be the celts best rebounder instantaneously. That's how bad it has become
How would he instantaneously become a better rebounder than Sullinger if he isn't now? Just curious.
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Unless it is a trade for a star, keep Pierce.
He is worth more then some teams poo-poo platter.
sorry but Ezeli and Green are far from being poo-poo platters. GS may even tell the celts forget it. Larry Sanders killed us a few weeks ago , has potential and def not crap.
We are getting killed up front and these guys would help out tremendously. Draymond Green for example would be the celts best rebounder instantaneously. That's how bad it has become
How would he instantaneously become a better rebounder than Sullinger if he isn't now? Just curious.
He is a better rebounder due to better mobility.
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Unless it is a trade for a star, keep Pierce.
He is worth more then some teams poo-poo platter.
sorry but Ezeli and Green are far from being poo-poo platters. GS may even tell the celts forget it. Larry Sanders killed us a few weeks ago , has potential and def not crap.
We are getting killed up front and these guys would help out tremendously. Draymond Green for example would be the celts best rebounder instantaneously. That's how bad it has become
How would he instantaneously become a better rebounder than Sullinger if he isn't now? Just curious.
He is a better rebounder due to better mobility.
Ok, then why does Sully have a better RebRate than the "better rebounder"?
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Unless it is a trade for a star, keep Pierce.
He is worth more then some teams poo-poo platter.
sorry but Ezeli and Green are far from being poo-poo platters. GS may even tell the celts forget it. Larry Sanders killed us a few weeks ago , has potential and def not crap.
We are getting killed up front and these guys would help out tremendously. Draymond Green for example would be the celts best rebounder instantaneously. That's how bad it has become
How would he instantaneously become a better rebounder than Sullinger if he isn't now? Just curious.
He is a better rebounder due to better mobility.
Ok, then why does Sully have a better RebRate than the "better rebounder"?
Green is more of a SF. For a guy who is SF these past few games, is rebounding around 8. Its not easy to guard lebron out in the perimeter and also come up with rebounds.
Sully is dedicated to be under the boards. No doubt he is ok, but i haven't seen great yet. Anything going up or coming towards sully while he jumps, he can get. I like the way he battles at times to get one. But anything that requires stretching the body, "rodman" rebounds, the guy can't get one. Its mainly due to his mobility. Green on the other hand can get you these type of rebounds plus beat other taller guys for regular rebounds. You ask Green to just rebound under the basket like Sully, he would grab more imo
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I only send pierce to GS if we have no chance at contending this year and either klay Thompson, steph curry, or Harrison Barnes is coming back.
That ain't happening do no go.
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NO.
You don't trade the Captain unless:
a) he demands it (I doubt it) AND
b) you're getting Andrew Wiggins via draft, or Kevin Durant via trade.
Letting the Big 3 (minus Parish) retire in green wasn't the reason the Celtics sucked for a long time. That was mostly because of Bias & Reggie passing away, and the Pitino debacle and cheap ownership. Pierce and KG (and Rondo too) must retire in green and pass the torch of Celtic Pride.
Ray Allen should've retired in green also, that'd have been the Celtics way. Shame for him to follow the 3 stooges and Pat Riley.
Go Celtics!
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I would be open to trading Pierce, but I'd like more than that.
Agreed. Sadly I think most of the teams it would make sense to trade PP to are those that Wyc and the Cs just wouldn't sign off on, partly out of respect for him, but also in part due the perception of insecurity it would create in the marketplace for top FAs considering signing in Boston.
Teams like the Bucks, Kings and Blazers.....
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so either a trade you can't refuse or retire him as a celtic, let him do iso's until he is close to 40 and impede on other players progress to come through in stressful situations?
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Pierce is struggling from the field overall, but he's still shooting a decent rate from three (35%) and from the line (82%).
He is currently ranked 9th in the league in scoring at 19.7 PPG despite his age and the fact that he is playing less minutes than anybody else in the top 10.
You suggest he is so bad an offensive liability that he needs to be traded, yet his numbers (19.7 PPG, 41% FG, 35% 3PT, 82% FT, 34 Min) are essentially identical to what Russel Westbrook is putting up on OKC (20.8 PPG, 42% FG, 36% 3PT, 77% FT, 36 Min). If you were in charge of OKC, would you trade out Westbrook for that same terrible return of players you suggested earlier?
Yes I know Westbrook has more potential and his overall production (assists + rebounds) is higher, but Pierce remains one of the better rebounding and passing players in the league at the SF position.
Not by any means saying Pierce is as valuable as Westbrook at this point in his career, but he is closer to Westbrook then he is to the scrubs mentioned in this thread. Why trade for young scrubs who won't give us anything useful for another two years? In two years Pierce will retire and his 15M contract will come off the books, allowing us to sign somebody FAR better then anybody mentioned on this trade idea.
The Milwalkee trade is a FAR more promising one - both are young guys provide consistent talent right now, and both have strong upside. Sanders + Mbah a Moute are both strong defensive players who could contribute significantly right away, and still have potential to improve later. They wouldnt come close to making up for what we lose with Pierce offensively, but they'd make up for that a lot with their defense. Given that our defense is a bigger problem then our offense right now, I'd probably listen to the deal at the very least...but I doubt the Bucks would be interested.
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If there were a time to trade Paul Pierce, it would be in June 2013 to a team that wants to save money by trading salary and then waiving PP before his final year becomes fully guaranteed.
A similar trade would be how New Orleans jettisoned Ariza and Okafor for a second round pick and Rashard Lewis, who they then waived, saving about $9 million. For the Celtics to make that sort of deal, Pierce would probably have to degrade to the point where it is accepted that he's not good enough to be in there at the end of games, and he's not there yet. Or, another team has to think that saving $10m is better than receiving a good lottery pick as a return for trading a star-quality player.
So, the most likely Pierce trade scenario I can imagine is one where he suffers a career-ending injury, but does the Celtics one last service by waiting until the team can use his contract in a trade before he retires.
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I agree with some others here that Pierce should retire wearing green. Cs need to look after their own when they are deserving of it. KG also needs to retire in green.
It would also do Pierce's body good for Jeff Green to start in the front court. Coming off the bench would save his legs and help him to be sharper when he's needed in crunch time.
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Pierce is actually worth a lot this year and next. He's on a massive deal and it's expiring at the end of next season. He's also still a very effective player despite what some completely blind CBers are writing these days.
The problem with trading Pierce is that he can more-or-less decide where he plays by threatening retirement.
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Pierce is actually worth a lot this year and next. He's on a massive deal and it's expiring at the end of next season. He's also still a very effective player despite what some completely blind CBers are writing these days.
The problem with trading Pierce is that he can more-or-less decide where he plays by threatening retirement.
I want to keep Pierce, and I think he can still be quite valuable without impeding the team's chances. He needs to play fewer minutes, and we should probably be playing Green more anyway, so he gets in a better flow. I still think we need Pierce to win a title, but we can't be playing him close to 40 minutes a game.
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Absolutely grotesque trade that isn't even close to what it would take to get me to move Pierce, evoking memories of the nonsense Col. Pitino invoked whenever he made water-treading and negative moves like this.
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At this point the Warriors are high on Draymond Green, I can honestly say they'd trade Barnes first before him.
Either way, that's a bad trade. Beans has turned into an overpaid bench warmer. Ezeli is a solid backup, nothing else. Draymond is a going to be a good player and might start for some teams. But COurtney Lee, 1st rounder and Paul for these bunch, c'mon now.
I'd love it for my hometown Warriors actually, kind of torn here for a bit. ;D
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Paul's one of the greatest Celtics ever...
Why do so many people want to trade him?
For everything he's done for the franchise, he should at least be allowed to retire here.
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Paul's one of the greatest Celtics ever...
Why do so many people want to trade him?
For everything he's done for the franchise, he should at least be allowed to retire here.
Age old debate. Ainge has always said he won't go that road with declining players. And Paul has not looked good lately.
I think if the Cs could trade him somewhere he could win AND get pieces out of that would improve the current team, they'd give it a little thought. The Clippers are a team that comes to mind....
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Unless we're all but eliminated from the playoffs and we're getting Harrison Barnes, Ezeli, and a pick in return, absolutely not.
In other words -- no, this is never going to happen.
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yeah I was expecting some bizarre trade proposal that netted us curry and David Lee and was prepared to say dream on why would golden state do that...and then its completely odd in the other way...why in God's name would WE do this trade....no way
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Paul Pierce:
Career High stats - taking his highest yearly marks in all categories throughout his career:
Career Highs
Points Rebounds Assists Steals FG% Next Closest
26.8 7.3 5.1 2.1 .497 (.471 & .464)
Career Averages
22.0 6.0
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At this point the Warriors are high on Draymond Green, I can honestly say they'd trade Barnes first before him.
Either way, that's a bad trade. Beans has turned into an overpaid bench warmer. Ezeli is a solid backup, nothing else. Draymond is a going to be a good player and might start for some teams. But COurtney Lee, 1st rounder and Paul for these bunch, c'mon now.
I'd love it for my hometown Warriors actually, kind of torn here for a bit. ;D
This guy knows what he is talking about. Because he actually watches the warriors. D Green is the best rookie this year , nobody knows about. The guy is beyond mature and a leader. Only 22. I wish the warriors play the celtics tonight so you can see. Motor is constantly running and never looks gassed out there. Its a quality of a star player. Not saying he is or will be a big star , but has one key attribute they got.
Pierce used to have this motor. But not anymore, due to his age and dealing with a string of injuries. I want him get that motor back, but you know its impossible. If he gets traded to a more talented team his lack of motor is not as a big deal, or because its in a new atmosphere, he might feel re energized. For us, we get better by getting younger, more stamina, more energy that the team can feed off. At this stage, without pierce we could survive without sukking alot more.
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Unless we're all but eliminated from the playoffs and we're getting Harrison Barnes, Ezeli, and a pick in return, absolutely not.
In other words -- no, this is never going to happen.
being a fanatic of Barnes imo is crazy. Kid is def a talent. He has a body like Lebron James. And skills too. But he has Jeff Green soft personality and passive qualities. This somehow won't radically change one day.
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Messed up the last post - hit the send button before done..
Paul Pierce:
Career High stats - taking his highest yearly marks in all categories throughout his career:
Career Highs
Points Rebounds Assists Steals FG% Next Closest
26.8 7.3 5.1 2.1 .497 (.471 & .464)
Career Averages
22.0 6.0 3.8 1.5 .447
12-13
19.6 5.4 3.5 1.5 .419
Has Pierce declined? Yes
Is he dramatically off his Career average stats? No
Is it likely he will play better as "other" players on the team step up more (Green, Lee, Bass, etc...? Yes
* The better other players play the less teams can focus on Rondo, KG and Pierce.
We don't need to, and shouldn't trade Pierce - for a number of reasons.
What we do need is to find one more big man at the trade deadline who is decent, that's it. Get Bradley back - let him take the best guard every night.
Big men I'd target via a relatively "small" trade and in no particular order:
Aaron Gray
Samuel Dalembert
Jason Thompson
Mosgov
Etc, any team that might be looking to move a big man for a reasonable price.
I would be very hesitant to give up Bradley in any trade, but if so it would have to be something that brought us back either Gortat or Josh Smith. Still I'd hesitate.
I think we can get Smith - somehow - in Free agency if he really wants to play in Boston with Rondo.
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Pierce is still a top five SF.
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I agree with those that basically want Pierce to retire as a Celtic. If we were going to trade him, it would have had to be for a player like Paul George last year who had immense potential [and he's showing it now], but Indiana needed the veteran leadership immediately.
I am not sure that player exists this year. If someone doesn't at least have the 'potential' to be the new face of the franchise, it would simply go down as a huge mistake for years to come...seriously, I can still see Robert Parish playing for the Bulls - Yuck!
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gosh this trade would make us worst
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Dang, wrong thread. Sorry.
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Great game by pierce. But it was against the cavs. Collins starting at center, might be the trick??
I need to see a few more games like this from pierce though. Great game nonetheless
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Trade value up after tonight, JK. Trade the captain? Never!
I am all for trading Lee, Sully and the scrapheap though if the trade is right.