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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: Shad0wman on December 14, 2012, 10:31:22 PM
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Those are your choices, becasue as I see it this team is total garbage. People are already calling the Lakers garbage, at what point do you realize this team is a shadow of its former self. Other C's teams would not have lost against a Houston team thats been gutted and has one young star. Other C's teams would not have lost the games they have, let teams back into game constantly and basically suck. This team SUCKS and it makes me sick to watch how bad they are.
suck
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Neither
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INCONSISTENT. And it's starting to irk me now. last year, I could see this team progressing. This year it's two steps forward ten steps back. They need a scoring big REALLY BAD!
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A team of mismatched parts that cannot sustain defensive pressure for an entire game and that is horrible on defense when its one quality big guy is out of the game. Lots of players who can score who are not being used in the right way. A team that can only score 89 points against the worst defense in the NBA.
I would rate them as mediocre. Maybe Avery Bradley will shake things up, but they desperately need another big man who knows how to play defense.
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without a scoring big to go with KG and play DEFENSE we are going nowhere. on paper the team looks much better with scoring additions of green and terry and some rebounding from sully and decent play from wilcox but the court is not agreeing. docs so called defensive system is a failure right now. we have a large enough sample size now. we have more o than last year we do not have any more 4 minute droughts but we cannot play paint defense if ouir lives depended on it. time for change. enough is enough.
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Yep, we're total garbage at 12-10 with 59 games left to play in the season. There's no chance at all that we'll improve over the course of the season and perform well when it truly matters. Might as well throw in the towel now and stop supporting the team because we're not 22-0 instead.
Let's trade KG, Pierce, and Rondo for draft picks and younger players and rebuild over the next 5+ years. Sound like a plan?
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PANIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Calm down and enjoy the ride
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PANIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Calm down and enjoy the ride
What is "the ride" we are supposed to be enjoying?
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Those are your choices, becasue as I see it this team is total garbage. People are already calling the Lakers garbage, at what point do you realize this team is a shadow of its former self. Other C's teams would not have lost against a Houston team thats been gutted and has one young star. Other C's teams would not have lost the games they have, let teams back into game constantly and basically suck. This team SUCKS and it makes me sick to watch how bad they are.
suck
Wait, I thought you quit watching in Jan 2010?!? And again in February 2011? Wasn't it also February 2012? Bit early this year isn't it??
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Neither.
Yet another one of these "Celtics lose therefore they suck, I'm never watching them again" thread. You should join badshar. Both o you have given up on this team early this season, and then come back all loving when they start winning.
We have a winning record and we beat some very good teams along the way, and we lost some. But we are not a bad team. You are just setting your expectations WAAAAAY to high.
so youre done with this team huh? Alright, im sorry youre disappointrd. But, like what I did with badshar, I will call you out if you come back all supportive when they start winning.
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I pick "good team."
I suggest deep breaths.
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Right now we are mediocre but that can change. We are still missing a very important piece to this team. Even when he comes back tho i want to trade Lee and Bass maybe melo/josef sully barbosa any of these guys for a talented BIG.
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Neither.
They're currently 14th in offensive efficiency and 10th in defensive efficiency.
I expect the offense to stay around average and the defense to improve a bit once Avery gets back and the team settles into the defensive system.
Ultimately, they're an okay, but not great team. They are a truly awful offensive rebounding team, though they're not so bad on the defensive boards.
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An average team that is underperforming bc mentally we are not all dialed in as one.
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when there are teams like the washington wizards, raptors, even the lakers below .500 its hard to call the Celtics a "really bad team"
this team looked FAR worse last year and turned it up when bradley began starting for them. I have a feeling we will look back at threads like this in a few months and laugh at them
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What is it exactly that you see in this team that makes you think they aren't a bad team? They lose games that only bad teams would lose, they play like crap for most of ALL games. Do you see something I don't see?
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Neither.
Yet another one of these "Celtics lose therefore they suck, I'm never watching them again" thread. You should join badshar. Both o you have given up on this team early this season, and then come back all loving when they start winning.
We have a winning record and we beat some very good teams along the way, and we lost some. But we are not a bad team. You are just setting your expectations WAAAAAY to high.
so youre done with this team huh? Alright, im sorry youre disappointrd. But, like what I did with badshar, I will call you out if you come back all supportive when they start winning.
Yea ok, call me out, does that mean I get to call you out whenever we dont win a champ? Becasue thats what you play for in this league, anything else is a failure. Expectaions WAY TO HIGH HUH? okee man whatever. You think this team is good and is going to win a title this year? You're delusional, and I will be back here to tell you I told you so.
Don;t know what team you're watching, but you're delusional if you think this team is anything but a bad team with one quality win. ONE!
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Those are your choices, becasue as I see it this team is total garbage. People are already calling the Lakers garbage, at what point do you realize this team is a shadow of its former self. Other C's teams would not have lost against a Houston team thats been gutted and has one young star. Other C's teams would not have lost the games they have, let teams back into game constantly and basically suck. This team SUCKS and it makes me sick to watch how bad they are.
suck
Some posters on this board are unbelievable. Are these threads going to happen after every loss?
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I come on here after losses sometimes just to laugh at what some people post. 22 games into the season. 60 games left......
Please, those of you that are giving up on the team now please leave the forums, that way we dont get silly threads like this after each and every loss.
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I come on here after losses sometimes just to laugh at what some people post. 22 games into the season. 60 games left......
Please, those of you that are giving up on the team now please leave the forums, that way we dont get silly threads like this after each and every loss.
2nd that...real fans stick with their team
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What are you all talking about? The C's are my team. All I am telling you is that they suck? Do you lack reading comprehension? If you want to come here and debate me, fine but to falsely accuse me of something is just blatant ignorance.
sorry that your beloved C's suck, but they do, come here to debate that or talk about why they suck or what they can do, please do that. other wise, shove off.
I think this team lacks too many things to even begin to fix it.
Cohesion
Chemistry
Intensity
Age
Lack of Age
Coach who can;t figure out where this teams strengths lie
ETC
ETC
I wont come here to refute all the morons who come here to tell me not to post, screw you. Make your own dammed post about how great you think this team is and don't post unless you have something to say that's based in reality or ideas that this team can make a reasonable change to their fundamental identities to change how bad they are.
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This team is rebuilding, with primarily only four players that had significant minutes from last year. Did you honestly expect them to play any differently after 20 games into the season?!? It's slowly coming together as it should, with some great defense and running the floor, and flashes of brilliance from some of the young guys, like Sully and Green, and just more time needed to get Jet and Lee in the flow.
Listen, you can't put this many new guys into a system and expect them to be a consistent, cohesive unit at both ends of the floor at least until mid-season, and then we've got to add Bradley and shake things up a bit once more for his purpose. I didn't expect to see great ball until late January, and even that was optimistic, because at this level it just plain takes time.
But with the level Paul and especially KG are playing at, and Rondo's incredible play-making, by post-season they will be ready to contend, and those without patience or a realistic perspective of just what's required at this level to produce consistent dominance in the NBA, will just have to settle for the Red Claws. I mean, come on ... this takes patience, adjustment, practice, and time, and if you expected great ball from this team this early in such a rebuilding season, you just weren't having realistic expectations.
This is absolutely a good team, a good team that is struggling a bit because it's rebuilding, but a team that plays amazing defense when it's on, that can run the fast-break effectively against anyone, that has a multitude of deep threats, that has one of the best passers in the game, one of the best post players ever, a guy who wrote the book on "intangibles", and a coach who will have them ready by spring to get deep into the post-season.
They are unselfish and hard-working, they recognize what's lacking and are working to remedy it, they have chemistry and good energy, and they know that they're capable of much more, and are striving for that ends. If you can't see it that way, I think it would serve to look a little more closely, not let every loss send you into a nose-dive of despondency, and remember years like '96, '97, '06, '07, to give you a little more perspective on just what a "bad" team really is.
And please refrain from calling others names ... I think we're all entitled to our own opinions, and should be able to discuss things without resorting to those tactics. Because someone disagrees with you, doesn't make them wrong, or any less able to state their opinions. Also, others should not be telling you to leave, or defining what a "fan" is, just because you feel the team sucks, because your opinion is as important as anyone's, and you are as much as a fan as the rest of us, K? :)
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They are worse than I thought they would be, we need a big really badly. Someone that rebounds and guards the hoop, KG is 20' away from the basket at all times, so it is lay up city for other teams. I'm actually happy with it because IMO all we did was collect a bunch of trade chips and now that they don't fit well together it will be easier for Danny to decide to make a move. I will be shocked if he's not a player in the trade market.
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its NOT just the forum fans , the media and everybody and their mother can see the Celtics are depleted of true talented front line size. We are HURT n for a real center.
These teams with JUST a average decent 7 foot or better center absolutely kill us. Then we have no interior defense , people dribble into the paint at leisure and score when KG is out.
Celtics are NOT a bad team.....just a "AVERAGE" team that is having a hard time competing with the clubs that have young quick players and front line height.
Green is fine for small forward . But , this team needs a SERIOUS young BIG mobile , active center who can play LOTS of MINUTES.
We saw what teams were willing to give up for Asik , Hibert , ect...it won't be cheap , and unless Fab Melo is suddenly transformed into Bill Russell , Celtics just don't match up with todays younger , taller , energy teams.
With out a major trade.... the Celtic s will IMO go from Average (just competing) to POOR or maybe bad by next season.
Celtics are at least an average team , that said, a young ,mobile center could be at least very good team , a team favorite to win on most nights.
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We are a 500 team with a weak bench going nowhere. A 2nd tier Playoff team depending how low we get will determine how fast we get dispatched from the Playoffs. That's if the top 3 starters stay healthy. I just can't believe Bradley will have a big impact after a long layoff. We had a small window where we won 1 ring and should have been 2. Now it's time to pay the Fiddler. Dandy Don Meredith said turn out the lights the party is over. We are not a bad Team.
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Those are your choices, becasue as I see it this team is total garbage. People are already calling the Lakers garbage, at what point do you realize this team is a shadow of its former self. Other C's teams would not have lost against a Houston team thats been gutted and has one young star. Other C's teams would not have lost the games they have, let teams back into game constantly and basically suck. This team SUCKS and it makes me sick to watch how bad they are.
suck
Same gutted Houston team defeated Atlanta, Chicago and New York, too. Is it even a reason to call your team garbage?
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Those are your choices, becasue as I see it this team is total garbage. People are already calling the Lakers garbage, at what point do you realize this team is a shadow of its former self. Other C's teams would not have lost against a Houston team thats been gutted and has one young star. Other C's teams would not have lost the games they have, let teams back into game constantly and basically suck. This team SUCKS and it makes me sick to watch how bad they are.
suck
So, why do you watch?
I'd call the Celts a mediocre team right now. A playoff team, but not a contender. However, as we've seen before, this team may have another gear that it just isn't showing now.
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To the OP - to answer your question - Neither and Neither.
This team of ours will be right there at the end.
I was as upset as many of us after last night's loss, BUT:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=He0J4GFlnZ4
Sometimes, there are TWO winners in a game..I'd say this was one of them.
BOS will get their fair share of wins, don't you worry.
I'm just thankful that we are a healthy team so far, and we are actually better than LAST yr at this time, I believe.
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It all depends of what you want from this team. Thats simple enough. If you want this team to win it all; That aint gonna happen ina trillion years. If you are content of wining some and losing some and put up the good fight- this team will do it. so you have to chose your poison, Dont expect an aple tree to bar pears- cause it aint happening
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It all depends of what you want from this team. Thats simple enough. If you want this team to win it all; That aint gonna happen ina trillion years. If you are content of wining some and losing some and put up the good fight- this team will do it. so you have to chose your poison, Dont expect an aple tree to bar pears- cause it aint happening
Many of us were thinking your bolded statement last season - and then BOS went on that run...
I'd say not count this team of ours out.
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It all depends of what you want from this team. Thats simple enough. If you want this team to win it all; That aint gonna happen ina trillion years. If you are content of wining some and losing some and put up the good fight- this team will do it. so you have to chose your poison, Dont expect an aple tree to bar pears- cause it aint happening
Many of us were thinking your bolded statement last season - and then BOS went on that run...
I'd say not count this team of ours out.
we heard it in 2010 too when the c's played .500 ball the latter half of the year. and they went to the finals....the 2011 team looked like a monster until the 2nd half of the year
say the C's play .55 ball until allstar break and then just go on a tear once bradley comes back, its no different than the teams that faded down the stretch
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D rotations are encouraging. Also like how Green is playing of late, and KG is in mid season form.
This team has a good shot to get back to the Eastern Con Finals, IMO
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It all depends of what you want from this team. Thats simple enough. If you want this team to win it all; That aint gonna happen ina trillion years. If you are content of wining some and losing some and put up the good fight- this team will do it. so you have to chose your poison, Dont expect an aple tree to bar pears- cause it aint happening
Last year before the break and after we didn't do anything around the trade deadline:
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=54371.0
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=54612.0
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=54611.0
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=54700.0
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=54595.0
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=54878.msg1175014#msg1175014http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=54700.msg1171213#msg1171213
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D rotations are encouraging. Also like how Green is playing of late, and KG is in mid season form.
This team has a good shot to get back to the Eastern Con Finals, IMO
D rotations are encouraging? What about last night? Greg Smith was open under the basket a million times. D rotations have been good a couple of games this year and in spurts in other games. How long does it take to understand this defense and I thought by game 20 this team was going to have it in high gear?
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D rotations are encouraging. Also like how Green is playing of late, and KG is in mid season form.
This team has a good shot to get back to the Eastern Con Finals, IMO
D rotations are encouraging? What about last night? Greg Smith was open under the basket a million times. D rotations have been good a couple of games this year and in spurts in other games. How long does it take to understand this defense and I thought by game 20 this team was going to have it in high gear?
last night our play was certainly discouraging. but our defense/play has been trending up lately....I almost wonder if the double OT game gave them tired legs..the offense was pretty brutal as well
the reason he was open all the time is because Lee/Rondo couldnt stay in front of guards...so our big's who were supposed to be guarding him had to step up.
having Avery Bradley back is going to make a big difference to this defense..
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D rotations are encouraging. Also like how Green is playing of late, and KG is in mid season form.
This team has a good shot to get back to the Eastern Con Finals, IMO
D rotations are encouraging? What about last night? Greg Smith was open under the basket a million times. D rotations have been good a couple of games this year and in spurts in other games. How long does it take to understand this defense and I thought by game 20 this team was going to have it in high gear?
last night our play was certainly discouraging. but our defense/play has been trending up lately....I almost wonder if the double OT game gave them tired legs..the offense was pretty brutal as well
the reason he was open all the time is because Lee/Rondo couldnt stay in front of guards...so our big's who were supposed to be guarding him had to step up.
having Avery Bradley back is going to make a big difference to this defense..
The bolded part - *100.