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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: WeMadeIt17 on December 13, 2012, 11:39:47 PM
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I just wanna hear what some people think the Celtics roster will look like after 3pm on that Febuary day. Do we make minor moves or do we make a splash for someone like Josh Smith. I lean on the side of something big is going happen because I beleive we need someone like J-smoove to win the whole thing. His defense and rebounding would be huge for this team. So let me know what you guys think. Do we make any moves? Do we do the usual rumor rumor rumor but only sign a vet or two? So tell me what ya think!
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My money's on a buyout big, and maybe a couple other low-key moves (Melo back to the d-league?).
But much of that depends on our record and our injury situation. If we're sitting comfortably in the middle of the playoff pack and an "obviously say yes" deal doesn't fall into the front office's collective lap, this is our team.
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Two options:
Big: trading one of or both of Bradley and Green in a package for Josh Smith, Gortat, or al Jefferson
Small: Waiving Kris Joseph, picking up a buyout need or two
Small is exodentialy more likely.
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I feel like if we make a move we either keep AB or Jeff. I don't see both of them going. Would love to get Big Al back here. IDK I feel like this team isn't bulit to win this year but we would be able to with someone like Big Al or Josh Smith. Those two guys would fill such a big gap that could put us over. What do i know though this group maybe is just about to hit a stride.
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I feel like if we make a move we either keep AB or Jeff. I don't see both of them going. Would love to get Big Al back here. IDK I feel like this team isn't bulit to win this year but we would be able to with someone like Big Al or Josh Smith. Those two guys would fill such a big gap that could put us over. What do i know though this group maybe is just about to hit a stride.
Can't keep Green and Bradley and still gain Al Jeefe or J-Smoove.
Just can't. Won't work.
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they will look Green
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A buyout big most likely. I think someone like Dalembert or hell even Kenyon Martin would be added.
Im crossing my fingers that Perkins will be waived, and we will snatch him up immediately.
Danny is going to keep his cards close to his chest. I don't foresee a big trade happening.
We got killed last night by the Dallas smallball lineup but once AB comes back we will make positive adjustments.
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A buyout big most likely. I think someone like Dalembert or hell even Kenyon Martin would be added.
Im crossing my fingers that Perkins will be waived, and we will snatch him up immediately.
Danny is going to keep his cards close to his chest. I don't foresee a big trade happening.
We got killed last night by the Dallas smallball lineup but once AB comes back we will make positive adjustments.
Just don't see the upside in OKC waiving Perkins (or amnestying him).
As long as LA has Dwight, or he could go to Dallas, there just isn't much of an upside in paying him not to be there during the season.
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No trades will be made. A minimum salary pick-up after a buyout must probably is the extent of what we'll see.
Maybe they'll end up waving either Collins or Joseph, or both, if they find a upgrade they feel would really help this team. Or they get traded for a protected 2nd round pick.
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I think things are heading in the right direction with this team.
Avery is coming back. Jeff is coming on ... and he's so versatile, it would be rough losing him. Courtney Lee needs to find his groove for sure.
I think we need to stay healthy and gel, and just get one true big to back up KG & Wilcox (besides Collins). Maybe Darko returns, maybe Melo gets thrown into the fire or maybe we pick up some other random dude over 6'10". Lots of people like Birdman. Perhaps we get our hands on him? I'd rather have Darko, but either way.
Our back court will be really sick and deep with Rondo, Avery, Jet, CLee and Leandro. Fast and nasty. That's huge. They can match up with anybody.
Jeff and PP at the 3 is also pretty sick. They can keep one another fresh going against the Carmelos and LeBrons.
The bigs is where we look thin. KG will get worn out. Chandler and all the bigs on the Knicks will sink our front court. Even Bosh and whatever else the Heat have will require better depth in our front court. The Nets are tall. They've made us look foolish in the paint. Bolster this area, and we may be alright.
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I'm hoping that the team's roster looks exactly the same (maybe with the addition of a veteran free agent big) as it looks now.
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Call me crazy, but I think Danny finds a way to turn Bass or Lee, Melo, and picks into Gortat. Just a feeling I have.
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I like this one.
http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6178383
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I like this one.
http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6178383
Dont think we could pull it off. Love and Williams leave Minny and the dont get a very high return for them.
Rondo/Terry
Lee/Terry
Pierce/?
KG/Sully
Love/Thompson
Plus Im not sure I like the squad we end up with. And I just really dont like Kevin Love.
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I like this one.
http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6178383
There is no reason for Wolves to do that trade, though.
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I'm hoping it includes Verejao , SMith or Cousins . Minn will never let Love go.
Not crazy about Gortat , I wouldn't trade Bradley or Rondo or Green to get him. He woul dbe good addition , but not enought to push us past the teams we need to get past.
Cousins can battle those thugs on the Nets and HEAT. Plus he is fast enough to play the smallers.
Have to give up Rondo or AB and some others to get have any chance at him.
Franky I'd rather have Cousins than Howard. COusins will OWN Howard one day.
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I think one or multiple of Lee, Bass, and Sullinger will be moved.
My inclination would lean towards Bass.
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I think one or multiple of Lee, Bass, and Sullinger will be moved.
My inclination would lean towards Bass.
agreed, sully is showing more and more not the brandon isn't doing a nice jobCall me crazy, but I think Danny finds a way to turn Bass or Lee, Melo, and picks into Gortat. Just a feeling I have.
maybe this as well?
bass, barbosa/lee and melo (cash/picks) for gortat
I expect a big here after the trade deadline and don't want pp,kg,rr,ab or green moved
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It will be rumors, maybe if ATL sucked then Smith would be an option. They are just playing too well.
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I am expecting a small trade. Not starting quality players coming back in exchange.
Just something to provide a little more balance to the big man rotation. Someone with legitimate size/length.
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Maybe they'll end up waving either Collins or Joseph, or both, if they find a upgrade they feel would really help this team. Or they get traded for a protected 2nd round pick.
I will be very disappointed if Collins gets waived. I thought he was an excellent signing.
I feel bad that so many other people want to get rid him. Valuable end of the bench player.
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Maybe they'll end up waving either Collins or Joseph, or both, if they find a upgrade they feel would really help this team. Or they get traded for a protected 2nd round pick.
I will be very disappointed if Collins gets waived. I thought he was an excellent signing.
I feel bad that so many other people want to get rid him. Valuable end of the bench player.
I'd be surprised if they needed 3 roster spots. That's the only situation where I see Collins getting waived.
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Maybe they'll end up waving either Collins or Joseph, or both, if they find a upgrade they feel would really help this team. Or they get traded for a protected 2nd round pick.
I will be very disappointed if Collins gets waived. I thought he was an excellent signing.
I feel bad that so many other people want to get rid him. Valuable end of the bench player.
I'd be surprised if they needed 3 roster spots. That's the only situation where I see Collins getting waived.
I don't see why we would need to waive anybody. Don't we have an open spot now that Darko's gone? Is Darko officially gone?
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Call me crazy, but I think Danny finds a way to turn Bass or Lee, Melo, and picks into Gortat. Just a feeling I have.
Not crazy at all. I'm 100 percent on that page.
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I think a lot of it will depend on what Bradley looks like.
If the KG/Bass/Pierce/Bradley/Rondo lineup dominates the way it did last year, I think we stand pat.
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Call me crazy, but I think Danny finds a way to turn Bass or Lee, Melo, and picks into Gortat. Just a feeling I have.
Not crazy at all. I'm 100 percent on that page.
Jesus that would be pretty impressive if he pulled that off.
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Call me crazy, but I think Danny finds a way to turn Bass or Lee, Melo, and picks into Gortat. Just a feeling I have.
If he could do that and hang on to Sully , Green and AB that would be impressive....LoL ;D
Not crazy at all. I'm 100 percent on that page.
Jesus that would be pretty impressive if he pulled that off.
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Maybe they'll end up waving either Collins or Joseph, or both, if they find a upgrade they feel would really help this team. Or they get traded for a protected 2nd round pick.
I will be very disappointed if Collins gets waived. I thought he was an excellent signing.
I feel bad that so many other people want to get rid him. Valuable end of the bench player.
keep collins he is cheap and will help playoff time (even if its one game) and the best thing is with vets like him, they can sit for 10 games in a row but still come in and give you their game
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Maybe they'll end up waving either Collins or Joseph, or both, if they find a upgrade they feel would really help this team. Or they get traded for a protected 2nd round pick.
I will be very disappointed if Collins gets waived. I thought he was an excellent signing.
I feel bad that so many other people want to get rid him. Valuable end of the bench player.
I'm not promoting waiving Collins for the sake of getting rid of him. But his spot, and Josephs, are the two spots that I feel can be waived if an upgrade is at hand. One can make a case for Barbosa too, but depending on the pickup, I'd probably be more comfortable letting Barbosa go than Joseph (we're thin at the 3 as it is).
I liked the Collins signing myself, even though I've been quite disappointed with what he showed in the last couple of games he played... but given he rarely plays, it's understandable, but he still looked lost on defensive rotations.
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I think one or multiple of Lee, Bass, and Sullinger will be moved.
My inclination would lean towards Bass.
Bass has gotten pretty close with our core guys and is the one usually out there finishing games I wonder how much it'd shake the lockeroom if it happened
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I think a lot of it will depend on what Bradley looks like.
If the KG/Bass/Pierce/Bradley/Rondo lineup dominates the way it did last year, I think we stand pat.
Totally agree. That lineup was dominant last year. It also leaves us with an entire, quality second unit in Wilcox/Sully/Green/Lee/Terry. An upgrade to Wilcox behind KG would be the only obvious place to improve.
But it does seem like the Bass and Lee contracts are priced to move. I'm sure Ainge will be dangling those guys and Green if his play keeps improving.
Frankly, I wouldn't mind taking a run at Pau Gasol. Green + Bass + Lee + Melo could probably get it done, and would give the Lakers much needed depth. And the Celtics would gain a post-scoring presence that's been sorely missing. Not so sure Gasol is healthy, though.
(Healthy) Gasol/KG/Pierce/Bradley/Rondo would be a pretty awesome lineup. Gasol scoring down low. Pierce and KG hitting jumpers. Rondo and Bradley creating havoc all over the court. Would be a lot of size to overpower the Heat. (Just a thought, anyway, since Gasol is going to be available.)
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Probably most the same, though perhaps if Bradley looks good Ainge will try moving Bass + Lee for an upgrade at PF or backup C.
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Call me crazy, but I think Danny finds a way to turn Bass or Lee, Melo, and picks into Gortat. Just a feeling I have.
I feel it too. I think Gortat is a C.
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Maybe they'll end up waving either Collins or Joseph, or both, if they find a upgrade they feel would really help this team. Or they get traded for a protected 2nd round pick.
I will be very disappointed if Collins gets waived. I thought he was an excellent signing.
I feel bad that so many other people want to get rid him. Valuable end of the bench player.
I'm not promoting waiving Collins for the sake of getting rid of him. But his spot, and Josephs, are the two spots that I feel can be waived if an upgrade is at hand. One can make a case for Barbosa too, but depending on the pickup, I'd probably be more comfortable letting Barbosa go than Joseph (we're thin at the 3 as it is).
I liked the Collins signing myself, even though I've been quite disappointed with what he showed in the last couple of games he played... but given he rarely plays, it's understandable, but he still looked lost on defensive rotations.
I'd like to waive Joseph. I do not want to use that roster spot on a project. I want someone reliable there.
I want to pickup a wing with legitimate size (SF) with some NBA experience. Someone who offers a more reliable alternative when Doc wants or needs to go in a different direction than Pierce + Green.
I'd really like Donte Greene. I think having a guy with his size at 6-11 who can play solid defense would be very useful as a deep reserve.
I thought Greene would have been particularly useful against Philly in those back-to-back games recently. We had to rely very heavily on Pierce and Green in those games (Pierce played 45 minutes in one of those Philly games) to matchup against their athletic forwards (E.Turner, Thaddeus). Against teams like that (Miami, New York), having a third combo forward type or SF with good size would be useful in getting Pierce a short rest here and there when necessary. And of course in situations like foul trouble or injuries.
Someone who can matchup properly against those types of opponents and keep the team's defensive integrity. Instead of forcing Doc to go to a smaller lineup with Lee or bigger lineup with Bass. A guy like Greene would give Doc the option of matching up.
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Probably most the same, though perhaps if Bradley looks good Ainge will try moving Bass + Lee for an upgrade at PF or backup C.
Yeah, I think Bradley has far superior defense for all of the smaller guards while Green (and Pierce) could do almost as good a job as Lee defending the bigger ones. If a deal comes along for a really good player, Bass+Lee+picks/fillers seems like the ideal package for a PF/C.
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Call me crazy, but I think Danny finds a way to turn Bass or Lee, Melo, and picks into Gortat. Just a feeling I have.
i agree. and i think he'll overpay a bit around picks and / or cash to get him, if he has to.
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Sure he'd be nice but am I the only one not in love with Gortat? I think if Dalembert is bought out he could provide pretty much everything Gortat does and we wouldn't have to give anybody up. A lot would have to fall into place for that but it's my dream scenario
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This may be out of left field, but I think Collins will be waived and Ben Wallace will be among the possible late-season additions.
Other predictions:
- Kris Joseph and Jason Collins will be waived
- 100% locks not to be traded: Green, Terry, Wilcox, PP, KG
- Most likely to be traded: Courtney Lee, Brandon Bass, Fab Melo
- Most likely to be acquired via trade: Marcin Gortat, Sam Dalembert
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Sure he'd be nice but am I the only one not in love with Gortat? I think if Dalembert is bought out he could provide pretty much everything Gortat does and we wouldn't have to give anybody up. A lot would have to fall into place for that but it's my dream scenario
Dalembert can't run the court like Gortat, score anywhere near as efficiently nor pass as well.
An argument can be made that Gortat is a better shot-blocker than Dalembert and just as good a rebounder.
These guys aren't even close.
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Sure he'd be nice but am I the only one not in love with Gortat? I think if Dalembert is bought out he could provide pretty much everything Gortat does and we wouldn't have to give anybody up. A lot would have to fall into place for that but it's my dream scenario
Dalembert can't run the court like Gortat, score anywhere near as efficiently nor pass as well.
An argument can be made that Gortat is a better shot-blocker than Dalembert and just as good a rebounder.
These guys aren't even close.
Plus, Dalembert makes Tony Allen look like Albert Einstein when it comes to basketball IQ.
I am not sure Dalembert has made a proper rotation in his life.
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Sure he'd be nice but am I the only one not in love with Gortat? I think if Dalembert is bought out he could provide pretty much everything Gortat does and we wouldn't have to give anybody up. A lot would have to fall into place for that but it's my dream scenario
Dalembert can't run the court like Gortat, score anywhere near as efficiently nor pass as well.
An argument can be made that Gortat is a better shot-blocker than Dalembert and just as good a rebounder.
These guys aren't even close.
Yeah, not anymore.
The Sammy Dalembert of a few years ago was almost as good as Gortat is now but Dalembert has really dropped off over the last couple of seasons. He just can't cover the same amount of ground defensively as he once could.
Gortat is a big upgrade over Dalembert these days.
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Sure he'd be nice but am I the only one not in love with Gortat? I think if Dalembert is bought out he could provide pretty much everything Gortat does and we wouldn't have to give anybody up. A lot would have to fall into place for that but it's my dream scenario
Dalembert can't run the court like Gortat, score anywhere near as efficiently nor pass as well.
An argument can be made that Gortat is a better shot-blocker than Dalembert and just as good a rebounder.
These guys aren't even close.
Plus, Dalembert makes Tony Allen look like Albert Einstein when it comes to basketball IQ.
TP, Chris.....that made me laugh....needed one today.
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Sure he'd be nice but am I the only one not in love with Gortat? I think if Dalembert is bought out he could provide pretty much everything Gortat does and we wouldn't have to give anybody up. A lot would have to fall into place for that but it's my dream scenario
Dalembert can't run the court like Gortat, score anywhere near as efficiently nor pass as well.
An argument can be made that Gortat is a better shot-blocker than Dalembert and just as good a rebounder.
These guys aren't even close.
Plus, Dalembert makes Tony Allen look like Albert Einstein when it comes to basketball IQ.
TP, Chris.....that made me laugh....needed one today.
Ouch lol I'm not sure he's that bad..I know he has a low basketball IQ.
Another thing I don't think people are taking into account is the salary that Gortat will command after next season, sure he's cheap now but we all know how ridiculous 7 footers are getting paid right now. Do you really want to give Gortat that kind of salary at 30 years old?
I could very well be wrong but Gortat doesn't excite me much considering what we'd likely have to give up to get him
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This may be out of left field, but I think Collins will be waived and Ben Wallace will be among the possible late-season additions.
Other predictions:
- Kris Joseph and Jason Collins will be waived
- 100% locks not to be traded: Green, Terry, Wilcox, PP, KG
- Most likely to be traded: Courtney Lee, Brandon Bass, Fab Melo
- Most likely to be acquired via trade: Marcin Gortat, Sam Dalembert
I am actually very intrigued by Wallace..I haven't watched him in forever so I'm not sure what he has left but I think he's worth kicking the tires on
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something significant will occur. we will get a starter back, perhaps even a borderline all-star. players i could see us getting would be demarcus cousins, amir johnson, derrick williams, al jefferson, paul milsap, marcin gortat, samuel dalembert, luc maboute, tyreke evans, jimmy butler, david west, timofey mozgov, kousta koufos, tony allen, josh selby, lamarcus aldridge, and lesser likely josh smith, and anderson varejao, and super duper unlikely someone i guarantee danny wants badly - my boy - kenneth faried.
the thinking behind all of this is: our roster is not a playoff roster. in the playoffs you only need 8 players or so. we are seriously about 4 players too deep. danny would love to get the roster down to about 9, but a really, really good quality 9, or even less if necessary.
the guys danny will try and trade for will be players who are either very good at rebounding, and defense, underrated players, who are possibly having troubles on their current teams, or players at the end of their contract.
i wouldnt even be surprised if paul pierce gets traded, since due to position adjusted win score per 48 (which im not sure danny knows about btw)he's having his worst season in a lonng time, and if danny could land milsap and someone else from utah for paul, i think he'll pull the trigger... i know trading paul is a sore spot, but im just being honest. OVERALL - and not just looking at offensive numbers, he's having a subpar season.
and by the way - i dont think the boston celtics landing kevin love is that crazy... with the way he's publicly falling out of love with minny, it's totally possible.
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The idea of Minnesota trading Kevin Love isn't crazy. The idea that the Celtics could outbid another team is. I can't imagine the Celtics making a trade for an All-Star-caliber player without a potential lottery pick to give away.
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The idea of Minnesota trading Kevin Love isn't crazy. The idea that the Celtics could outbid another team is. I can't imagine the Celtics making a trade for an All-Star-caliber player without a potential lottery pick to give away.
I think Minnesota is year or two away from considering trading Kevin Love.
They'll continue to try and build around him for now. If it isn't coming together and then when they become worried about Love staying, they'll consider moving him.
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It really depends on how long Danny's willing to wait.
He could give this entire unit a playoff run knowing how deep we are and the fact that we have so many options.
He may wait till the offseason to make some moves.
If he thinks 'darn we only have 2 or 3 good seasons with KG and Pierce' then he could roll the dice very early (ie: December 15th) and try and land us something.
Most likely traded: Avery Bradley, Courtney Lee, Brandon Bass, Jared Sullinger.
Most likely acquired: Gortat, Byron Mullens, Jermaine Oneal.
I could see Danny moving Lee or Melo+pick for Byron Mullens of the Bobcats. Size, can shoot, can play D, is up for contract next year so he'd be a rental 7 footer that has earned his time as a starter in the NBA- could be an excellent pairing with Rondo around the rim and can also stretch the floor with his shooting. On defense he'd work his butt off with KG too. He's got horrible point guards feeding him the ball and with Rondo putting passes in his lap all night I feel he'd be a 15 ppg center. His rebounding isn't great but his defense is solid- he replaced Bismack as the starting C I think this season.
People will laugh but I think it's someone like this that we could get with Lee+ a pick before his time is up with the Bobcats- it would solidify their chances at the lottery again too which is only good for them.
I just can't see us getting Smith or Verajao unless Danny wants to give up Avery, Bass and Sullinger + picks.
Should be interesting.
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I'll also add that Bass having that poor game vs the Rockets (2 points I think?) is an indicator that he's on the trade block or thinking about it. Just my own personal speculation but it would be messing with his head I think.
Bass+Courtney are definitely on the block.