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Around the League => Around the NBA => Topic started by: vinnie on December 13, 2012, 08:59:26 PM
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The lakers are absolutely horrible, and dysfunctional. The Knicks look good and scary.
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I'm glad the Knicks are playing well--as the number of good teams rises, the NBA gets much more fun to watch.
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the lakers are atrocious on defense (they weren't good on D before d'antoni, and are obviously worse since), and the knicks have a bunch of scorers. this game is not a huge surprise.
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I thought our D was bad (until recently).
Hard to see how Nash and Gasol improve that situation.
It would take a heart of stone not to laugh.
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Very fun to watch
but man c's Knicks game is going to be big! we've had their number in recent years and we match up well. On jan 8 we take back the Atlantic division and reconfirm our place among contenders.
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I thought our D was bad (until recently).
Hard to see how Nash and Gasol improve that situation.
It would take a heart of stone not to laugh.
Gasol vs Jamison? Gasol is a DPOY in comparison.
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They (Lakers) just look lost. They almost gave up 70 points in one half.
Magic thought the Lakers had a chance to win and even he gave up by the half.
As bad as Orlando is right now, I know the fans are laughing their butts off seeing Dwight with his new team struggle this hard. I think they might have similar records right now.
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I'm glad the Knicks are playing well--as the number of good teams rises, the NBA gets much more fun to watch.
I like it when the older more storied teams like the KNicks are doing well.
There is a sense of history there that just isn't with squads like Minnesota or Miami.
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They (Lakers) just look lost. They almost gave up 70 points in one half.
Magic thought the Lakers had a chance to win and even he gave up by the half.
As bad as Orlando is right now, I know the fans are laughing their butts off seeing Dwight with his new team struggle this hard. I think they might have similar records right now.
8-13 vs 9-13
Soon to be 9-14 Lakers
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I just tuned in. Why is
Earl Clark Ebanks defending Melo and not Artest?
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I like how we match up with NY. I think we can beat them in a 7 game series assuming health.
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I just tuned in. Why is Earl Clark Ebanks defending Melo and not Artest?
Because Melo turned Artest into a salt pillar with short arms.
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Why is Artest on Felton? Stick Duhon on him.
I don't like LA switching Dwight onto the PG. They need to keep him in the paint to provide rim protection. The other positions can switch but the center needs to stay home with his man to provide effective help defense.
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PG: Duhon
SG: Kobe
SF: Ebanks
PF: Artest
C: Sacre
My god that is an awful lineup.
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A couple of hard fouls from the Lakers. Frustration fouls.
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I really hope the Lakers don't turn it around. My dream is that Nash returns against Phoenix with blonde hair and a mustache. Then at half he comes out in a Suns jersey NWO style and starts referring to himself as Stache Nash.
Saw a Kobe interview today where he referred to himself as "a bit of a psychopath when it comes to winning" and called out everyone. I think his mask of sanity is beginning to slip!
The Knicks are legit. I only hope Amare throws a wrench in their chemistry.
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Stace Nash love it
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Lakers are only down
16 13. They are still in this.
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schadenfreude is such a wonderful thing. ;D
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The Knicks remind me of the Magic from a few years ago.
Very gimmicky, they will rain threes on you if you aren't careful, but if you just let Melo have his, defend the threes, and don't turn the ball over, you can beat them.
I expect them to beat up a crappy team or two in the playoffs and then get dropped as soon as they face a really good team.
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I'd like to see JR Smith get aggressive here. He is their best scorer with Melo on the bench.
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The Knicks remind me of the Magic from a few years ago.
Very gimmicky, they will rain threes on you if you aren't careful, but if you just let Melo have his, defend the threes, and don't turn the ball over, you can beat them.
I expect them to beat up a crappy team or two in the playoffs and then get dropped as soon as they face a really good team.
Knicks Now > Magic Then.
The Knicks have one of the best closers in the game - the one thing that kept the Magic from beating the Lakers. You can't go to Howard during crunch time because he is a liability (Hack-A-Howard).
Also, they have legit playmakers and legit defensive specialists. They are a far more complete team than the Magic 2009.
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It looks like those highlight clips of Kobe Bryant in high school right now.
Kobe dribbles up, the four other guys get the hell out of the way, Kobe goes one on one and either takes it to the rack or pulls up for a jumper.
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The Lakers need to make another mini-run soon. Get NY worried.
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That should do it. Good response from NY with the Tyson Chandler alley oop and JR Smith long jumper to push the lead back up to 11/12 after it slipping to 7.
I don't think LA can get back into this. Not getting enough stops or quality enough shot attempts to make up that lead in the next 3:40. NY have this.
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Aaaaaaaannnnnddddd...... The lakers lose again. ;D
They are now 9-14 and on a 4 game losing streak. I know this can't continue the whole season since there is too much talent there. But it sure is fun while it lasts.
Kobe played 44 minutes in a laker loss. I love it.
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I'm not a Kobe fan but now I see why he scores as much. That team is a mess.
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The Knicks remind me of the Magic from a few years ago.
Very gimmicky, they will rain threes on you if you aren't careful, but if you just let Melo have his, defend the threes, and don't turn the ball over, you can beat them.
I expect them to beat up a crappy team or two in the playoffs and then get dropped as soon as they face a really good team.
Knicks Now > Magic Then.
The Knicks have one of the best closers in the game - the one thing that kept the Magic from beating the Lakers. You can't go to Howard during crunch time because he is a liability (Hack-A-Howard).
Also, they have legit playmakers and legit defensive specialists. They are a far more complete team than the Magic 2009.
I think you're underrating that Magic team. And overrating Carmelo.
I'm confident that you apply a similar strategy to defending the Knicks as the Celtics used against the Magic (and the Cavs from those days, too), and they'll fold. There will be some nights when the Knicks just can't miss from 3, but I just don't see a team that relies so heavily on Felton, Kidd, Melo, and Chandler going all the way. Actually, in some ways, with Melo at the 4, they're a little bit like the 2011 Mavs.
Except I'll take playoffs Dirk over playoffs Melo anytime. And Ronnie Brewer is not Shawn Marion.
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Kobe played a SMARTER GAME.... even though they lost. I sure , alot of people were on him for playing 3 periods of Hero ball 1 on 5.
The Lakers much as I HATE them seemed to be actually playing serious and actually playing defense the 4 period. Maybe they are finally figuring it out.
Knick s get respect anytime they can beat the Lakers and Heat.
Shame Melo went down... it was a real route .
Lakers looked SLOW ... and old .
MDA needs to change HIS GAME to fit the Lakers players , the LA players ..stars are too old to play his style of ball.
La can still be potent , if they play very slow pace and rebound well....and Kobe trusts his teamates.
GO WIZZARDS !!! ;D
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I'm glad the Knicks are playing well--as the number of good teams rises, the NBA gets much more fun to watch.
I like it when the older more storied teams like the KNicks are doing well.
There is a sense of history there that just isn't with squads like Minnesota or Miami.
Solid point.
As for 'Melo/Dirk... I'd take playoffs 'Melo at this point in their careers, but Dirk definitely redeemed himself from his great no-show in 2006.
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I'd like to see JR Smith get aggressive here. He is their best scorer with Melo on the bench.
He has become somewhat of an underrated player. Watching scorers like him and Crawford can be a real treat sometimes when you don't get to see them play a lot. They make scoring look so easy sometimes.
EDIT: Funny, I used to think about JET like that before this season
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I'd like to see JR Smith get aggressive here. He is their best scorer with Melo on the bench.
He has become somewhat of an underrated player. Watching scorers like him and Crawford can be a real treat sometimes when you don't get to see them play a lot. They make scoring look so easy sometimes.
EDIT: Funny, I used to think about JET like that before this season
terry IS that
i wonder if hes still being a little missused because of rondo
but he had kidd before and worked
not sure
maybe hes just getting old who knows
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Not having a PG, the Lakers are playing rudderless. I expect a different story when Nash returns. If they signed Fisher instead of letting him go to Dallas, they'd probably be 12-12 or so.
Despite their troubles (and I'm enjoying them immensely), I expect the Lakers to get it together when Nash returns. They'll still have massive problems on the defensive end, but should be a solid half court team with Nash, Gasol and Blake back. If they go 37 and 23 the rest of the year, they'd be at 46 wins and a 7th or so seed.
I still think they're going to be a tough playoff out for any West team besides OKC if everyone is healthy and there's some semblance of teamwork that develops over the season. Not having a functioning PG for 20 games would make any team look shaky, especially one with eight new players.
I'm going to hope that misfortune continues to hit the Lakers and I'm going to relish every loss.
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idk I kinda want the Lakers to win that game
if they win, Lakers get 1 win, still need to win more games to make playoffs
Knicks loses have us closer :)...cuz theyre still leading our division...I don't like that...
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Adam Yauch is looking down and he's smiling. Very sad that he didn't get to watch the Knicks finally being relevant in a talk about the best teams again.
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3ml1dfMe91qbcs46o1_500.jpg)
"Would someone on the Knicks please drive the lane?!"
Rest in peace, brother.
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The knicks are playing well but the style of ball they are playing reminds me alot of the old orlando magic. They are living by the 3 and they will die by it, BOOK IT.
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I'm glad the Knicks are playing well--as the number of good teams rises, the NBA gets much more fun to watch.
Me too. I remember saying this at the beginning of the year, the Knicks look great on paper and if they get all the pieces to fall in place and get everyone to play for their potential, then they could really be a great team. Since they've always been disfunctional it was hard to see this happening. But currently it is.
Im waiting for them to fall into their old ways and start becoming more disfunctional. But if they can keep their heads straight and continue to play to each of their potentials all season then they could make a real good run at this.
Grandpa was a Knicks fan, so I always have to root for them as a second favorite. Plus I like Melo and Chandler. I am not so sure Stoudemire is going to help them however.
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I'd like to see JR Smith get aggressive here. He is their best scorer with Melo on the bench.
He has become somewhat of an underrated player. Watching scorers like him and Crawford can be a real treat sometimes when you don't get to see them play a lot. They make scoring look so easy sometimes.
EDIT: Funny, I used to think about JET like that before this season
terry IS that
i wonder if hes still being a little missused because of rondo
but he had kidd before and worked
not sure
maybe hes just getting old who knows
I agree; I think Terry's misuse is very much why. He needs to have the ball in his hands more and play pick n roll basketball with KG. I think there is where he would play at his best.
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I'd like to see JR Smith get aggressive here. He is their best scorer with Melo on the bench.
He has become somewhat of an underrated player. Watching scorers like him and Crawford can be a real treat sometimes when you don't get to see them play a lot. They make scoring look so easy sometimes.
EDIT: Funny, I used to think about JET like that before this season
terry IS that
i wonder if hes still being a little missused because of rondo
but he had kidd before and worked
not sure
maybe hes just getting old who knows
I agree; I think Terry's misuse is very much why. He needs to have the ball in his hands more and play pick n roll basketball with KG. I think there is where he would play at his best.
I think a lot of the "player x is being misused" comments are somewhat off base. The goal is to get the best performance out of the team as a whole, not the players as individuals. It might, for instance, suit Green's game to control the ball more and be in more iso situations on offense, but that's not necessarily a more efficient way for the team as a whole to run the offense.
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I'd like to see JR Smith get aggressive here. He is their best scorer with Melo on the bench.
He has become somewhat of an underrated player. Watching scorers like him and Crawford can be a real treat sometimes when you don't get to see them play a lot. They make scoring look so easy sometimes.
EDIT: Funny, I used to think about JET like that before this season
terry IS that
i wonder if hes still being a little missused because of rondo
but he had kidd before and worked
not sure
maybe hes just getting old who knows
I agree; I think Terry's misuse is very much why. He needs to have the ball in his hands more and play pick n roll basketball with KG. I think there is where he would play at his best.
I think a lot of the "player x is being misused" comments are somewhat off base. The goal is to get the best performance out of the team as a whole, not the players as individuals. It might, for instance, suit Green's game to control the ball more and be in more iso situations on offense, but that's not necessarily a more efficient way for the team as a whole to run the offense.
I think the team needs to have Jason Terry is a larger role. To have that extra shot-creator.
I think Pierce, Rondo and Garnett need that extra weapon alongside them come playoff time. Even if they have to take a dip in their stats / production (mostly Pierce, Rondo) to allow Terry to be that extra weapon.
Not so with Green. I don't care that much about his offense. I am still not convinced is that effective a scorer. Doc needs to continue to pushing Jeff Green as a defender and rebounder (as a SF and as a PF). Those are the areas the team needs the most from Green (especially in playoffs against Miami and NYK). Offensively, I am more concerned about Jeff Green learning how to play off of others than creating his own offense. He needs to learn how to accept a smaller role offensively for the good of the team and how to contribute more in other ways.
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I'd like to see JR Smith get aggressive here. He is their best scorer with Melo on the bench.
He has become somewhat of an underrated player. Watching scorers like him and Crawford can be a real treat sometimes when you don't get to see them play a lot. They make scoring look so easy sometimes.
EDIT: Funny, I used to think about JET like that before this season
terry IS that
i wonder if hes still being a little missused because of rondo
but he had kidd before and worked
not sure
maybe hes just getting old who knows
I agree; I think Terry's misuse is very much why. He needs to have the ball in his hands more and play pick n roll basketball with KG. I think there is where he would play at his best.
I think a lot of the "player x is being misused" comments are somewhat off base. The goal is to get the best performance out of the team as a whole, not the players as individuals. It might, for instance, suit Green's game to control the ball more and be in more iso situations on offense, but that's not necessarily a more efficient way for the team as a whole to run the offense.
I think the team needs to have Jason Terry is a larger role. To have that extra shot-creator.
I think Pierce, Rondo and Garnett need that extra weapon alongside them come playoff time. Even if they have to take a dip in their stats / production (mostly Pierce, Rondo) to allow Terry to be that extra weapon.
In general I agree with this, but I haven't liked how things have looked with Terry controlling the ball, especially in the games without Rondo where I'd have expected him to play well.