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Around the League => Around the NBA => Topic started by: chambers on December 11, 2012, 06:24:03 AM
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Would be interesting to see what he'd be doing with Rondo throwing him the ball.
He's also number one in 3 Point FG % this season too.
Seems he's been let out of the cage.
He's playing 35 mins per game and getting that 21 points off 15 shot attempts a game. He's not a bad defender either.
I mean Dallas are an average team, and I don't know if he'll crash and burn once Dirk returns, but he's doing well at the moment.
First we traded Ray Allen for this guy, and then it was pulled. Then it was between him and Courtney Lee apparently. Seems like Danny had the right idea trying to get him, he just couldn't pull it off.
I'm a Courtney Lee fan and think he hustles his ass off. But we sure could use Mayo's size and 3 point shooting at the moment.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crvrrRl3F3Y
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I'm a Courtney Lee fan and think he hustles his ass off. But we sure could use Mayo's size and 3 point shooting at the moment.
Mayo is undersized.
Could use him for his ballhandling though.
Don't give up on Lee yet!
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Would be interesting to see what he'd be doing with Rondo throwing him the ball.
He's also number one in 3 Point FG % this season too.
Seems he's been let out of the cage.
He's playing 35 mins per game and getting that 21 points off 15 shot attempts a game. He's not a bad defender either.
I mean Dallas are an average team, and I don't know if he'll crash and burn once Dirk returns, but he's doing well at the moment.
First we traded Ray Allen for this guy, and then it was pulled. Then it was between him and Courtney Lee apparently. Seems like Danny had the right idea trying to get him, he just couldn't pull it off.
I'm a Courtney Lee fan and think he hustles his ass off. But we sure could use Mayo's size and 3 point shooting at the moment.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crvrrRl3F3Y
Danny was right on the money trying to trade ray for mayo it seems. Would have been great if it went through.
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I'm a Courtney Lee fan and think he hustles his ass off. But we sure could use Mayo's size and 3 point shooting at the moment.
Mayo is undersized.
Could use him for his ballhandling though.
Don't give up on Lee yet!
Won't give up on Lee. Hindsight is a wonderful and often painful thing.
With the size thing, Mayo is 6 foot 4 and SHOOTS. Lee is 6 foot 4 and shoots 5 shots a game. Having a 2 guard at least 6 foot 4 that would shoot like this would be great on the perimeter vs Wade and Granger in the playoffs.
Avery is 6' 2" and Terry is about the same, Mayo's extra length would be handy even if he's still an inch shorter than desired I guess is what I'm trying to say.
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His rebounds, assists, shots, FTAs, ToVS, defense, 2 point fg percentage, shots at the rim, percentage at the rim etc. are all pretty much the same as when he couldn't get off the bench all that much Memphis.
The two differences is that he's shooting like Kyle Korver's best year from 3pt range this year and he's hitting more of his free throws.
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Danny was right on the money trying to trade ray for mayo it seems. Would have been great if it went through.
Would be right on the money trading Ray for anybody, really.
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I think the OJ Mayo spot should have been between Mayo and Jason Terry rather than between Mayo and C-Lee. That combo guard super-sub scorer off the bench role. Rather than an out and out two guard like Courtney Lee who can actually defend his position.
I am happy with Courtney Lee. I prefer Lee (for this team) to Mayo because Terry is already here.
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Would be interesting to see what he'd be doing with Rondo throwing him the ball.
He's also number one in 3 Point FG % this season too.
Seems he's been let out of the cage.
He's playing 35 mins per game and getting that 21 points off 15 shot attempts a game. He's not a bad defender either.
I mean Dallas are an average team, and I don't know if he'll crash and burn once Dirk returns, but he's doing well at the moment.
First we traded Ray Allen for this guy, and then it was pulled. Then it was between him and Courtney Lee apparently. Seems like Danny had the right idea trying to get him, he just couldn't pull it off.
I'm a Courtney Lee fan and think he hustles his ass off. But we sure could use Mayo's size and 3 point shooting at the moment.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crvrrRl3F3Y
Danny was right on the money trying to trade ray for mayo it seems. Would have been great if it went through.
I would have loved this as well. Ive always been a big Mayo fan. He is playing very well for the Mavs this year and scoring at a nice rate.
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I think he'd have worked out well if exchanged for Ray. I could see him here instead of JET. He's younger and bigger so that would be an improvement. The one thing JET does have to his credit is experience in taking big shots late in the game -- at least moreso than Mayo
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For the record not only would I have loved to see Mayo starting for us, but I would have liked to see how Ray performed in Memphis as well. He would have been a nice addition off the bench for them and maybe bumped them up a little more as championship contenders.
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The reason Mayo is exploding now opposed to in Memphis is he is finally getting the opportunity to be in control of the offense. In Memphis, he was a role player. If he played in Boston, he also would take the back seat and be a role player. I don't think he would have broken out in Boston like he has in Dallas because of lack of opportunity to. I do still think he is one heck of a ball player though.
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I think Mayo found a perfect situation in Dallas, where they desperately needed a wing scorer, and an extra ballhandler...particularly with Dirk out.
Mayo has always been talented, but wasn't fully utilized (nor did he really fit) in Memphis.
Good for him. I like it when talented players save their careers.
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I don't think OJ Mayo has broken out. He is just on a hot streak.
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I don't think OJ Mayo has broken out. He is just on a hot streak.
Yeah I have to believe the floor is waiting to fall out on this one.
Also keep in mind they need him to score this much without Dirk. Not that he hasn't been shooting well but that will effect his numbers when Dirk is back.
At the end of the day, I don't expect him to shoot threes at this percentage, that's for sure.
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I don't think OJ Mayo has broken out. He is just on a hot streak.
While I am sure his shooting numbers will almost certainly drop from where they are right now, I am not sure they will drop that considerably. He always has been a talented scorer, and Dallas has been really playing to his strengths. His peripheral game (rebs, assists, defense) probably won't change much, but I do expect his scoring to settle down into the high teens, as his three point shooting drops closer to his career average (39%). His assists also might rise, once Dirk returns.
I really think if he is used as a #1 or 2 option on a team, then he can consistently be a 18, 4 and 5 type guy, with solid shooting percentages.
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I don't think OJ Mayo has broken out. He is just on a hot streak.
His first 2 years in the league, he averaged 18.5ppg I believe as a starter, so its not like he's never played well before. Sometimes a change of scenery is desperately needed.
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I don't think OJ Mayo has broken out. He is just on a hot streak.
While I am sure his shooting numbers will almost certainly drop from where they are right now, I am not sure they will drop that considerably. He always has been a talented scorer, and Dallas has been really playing to his strengths. His peripheral game (rebs, assists, defense) probably won't change much, but I do expect his scoring to settle down into the high teens, as his three point shooting drops closer to his career average (39%). His assists also might rise, once Dirk returns.
I really think if he is used as a #1 or 2 option on a team, then he can consistently be a 18, 4 and 5 type guy, with solid shooting percentages.
But that's the thing Chris, his 2 point percentage is 46% for his career.
This year its 46% exactly.
The only thing different from this year and last year is 8 more minutes per game and shooting a full 14% better than his career average from three point range. He hasn't even changed his shot selection any, same attempts per minute from the same spots on the court.
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I don't think OJ Mayo has broken out. He is just on a hot streak.
While I am sure his shooting numbers will almost certainly drop from where they are right now, I am not sure they will drop that considerably. He always has been a talented scorer, and Dallas has been really playing to his strengths. His peripheral game (rebs, assists, defense) probably won't change much, but I do expect his scoring to settle down into the high teens, as his three point shooting drops closer to his career average (39%). His assists also might rise, once Dirk returns.
I really think if he is used as a #1 or 2 option on a team, then he can consistently be a 18, 4 and 5 type guy, with solid shooting percentages.
But that's the thing Chris, his 2 point percentage is 46% for his career.
This year its 46% exactly.
The only thing different from this year and last year is 8 more minutes per game and shooting a full 14% better than his career average from three point range. He hasn't even changed his shot selection any, same attempts per minute from the same spots on the court.
Right, exactly. So, his points will drop a little when the 3 pointers are not falling at an obscene rate (sorry, I should have specified 3 point percentage before...I was thinking it, but didn't actually state it), but otherwise, he will continue being the player he has been. Which is a much better player than he got credit for in Memphis.
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I don't think OJ Mayo has broken out. He is just on a hot streak.
While I am sure his shooting numbers will almost certainly drop from where they are right now, I am not sure they will drop that considerably. He always has been a talented scorer, and Dallas has been really playing to his strengths. His peripheral game (rebs, assists, defense) probably won't change much, but I do expect his scoring to settle down into the high teens, as his three point shooting drops closer to his career average (39%). His assists also might rise, once Dirk returns.
I really think if he is used as a #1 or 2 option on a team, then he can consistently be a 18, 4 and 5 type guy, with solid shooting percentages.
But that's the thing Chris, his 2 point percentage is 46% for his career.
This year its 46% exactly.
The only thing different from this year and last year is 8 more minutes per game and shooting a full 14% better than his career average from three point range. He hasn't even changed his shot selection any, same attempts per minute from the same spots on the court.
Right, exactly. So, his points will drop a little when the 3 pointers are not falling at an obscene rate (sorry, I should have specified 3 point percentage before...I was thinking it, but didn't actually state it), but otherwise, he will continue being the player he has been. Which is a much better player than he got credit for in Memphis.
Maybe, but if his scoring goes down to a more "normal" TS% what is he? A good scorer who doesn't do much else for you, just like Memphis.
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I don't think OJ Mayo has broken out. He is just on a hot streak.
While I am sure his shooting numbers will almost certainly drop from where they are right now, I am not sure they will drop that considerably. He always has been a talented scorer, and Dallas has been really playing to his strengths. His peripheral game (rebs, assists, defense) probably won't change much, but I do expect his scoring to settle down into the high teens, as his three point shooting drops closer to his career average (39%). His assists also might rise, once Dirk returns.
I really think if he is used as a #1 or 2 option on a team, then he can consistently be a 18, 4 and 5 type guy, with solid shooting percentages.
But that's the thing Chris, his 2 point percentage is 46% for his career.
This year its 46% exactly.
The only thing different from this year and last year is 8 more minutes per game and shooting a full 14% better than his career average from three point range. He hasn't even changed his shot selection any, same attempts per minute from the same spots on the court.
Right, exactly. So, his points will drop a little when the 3 pointers are not falling at an obscene rate (sorry, I should have specified 3 point percentage before...I was thinking it, but didn't actually state it), but otherwise, he will continue being the player he has been. Which is a much better player than he got credit for in Memphis.
Maybe, but if his scoring goes down to a more "normal" TS% what is he? A good scorer who doesn't do much else for you, just like Memphis.
Except I think he does do more for you. He is a solid passer, solid defender, and can rebound a decent amount for a guard. He really is a solid all around player.
This isn't Marcus Thornton or Jason Terry, or some other volume scorer who brings nothing else to the table. He is a guy who can compliment his scoring with an all-around game.
The problem in Memphis, is that they were asking him to compliment his all-around game with his scoring, and that just wasn't working. They wanted him to be Tony Allen, but with better shooting, and he isn't that.
As far as a comparison, I would say he is a poor man's Joe Johnson...with the poor man part coming largely due to the lack of size.
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I don't think OJ Mayo has broken out. He is just on a hot streak.
While I am sure his shooting numbers will almost certainly drop from where they are right now, I am not sure they will drop that considerably. He always has been a talented scorer, and Dallas has been really playing to his strengths. His peripheral game (rebs, assists, defense) probably won't change much, but I do expect his scoring to settle down into the high teens, as his three point shooting drops closer to his career average (39%). His assists also might rise, once Dirk returns.
I really think if he is used as a #1 or 2 option on a team, then he can consistently be a 18, 4 and 5 type guy, with solid shooting percentages.
But that's the thing Chris, his 2 point percentage is 46% for his career.
This year its 46% exactly.
The only thing different from this year and last year is 8 more minutes per game and shooting a full 14% better than his career average from three point range. He hasn't even changed his shot selection any, same attempts per minute from the same spots on the court.
Right, exactly. So, his points will drop a little when the 3 pointers are not falling at an obscene rate (sorry, I should have specified 3 point percentage before...I was thinking it, but didn't actually state it), but otherwise, he will continue being the player he has been. Which is a much better player than he got credit for in Memphis.
Maybe, but if his scoring goes down to a more "normal" TS% what is he? A good scorer who doesn't do much else for you, just like Memphis.
Except I think he does do more for you. He is a solid passer, solid defender, and can rebound a decent amount for a guard. He really is a solid all around player.
This isn't Marcus Thornton or Jason Terry, or some other volume scorer who brings nothing else to the table. He is a guy who can compliment his scoring with an all-around game.
The problem in Memphis, is that they were asking him to compliment his all-around game with his scoring, and that just wasn't working. They wanted him to be Tony Allen, but with better shooting, and he isn't that.
As far as a comparison, I would say he is a poor man's Joe Johnson...with the poor man part coming largely due to the lack of size.
I don't think his defense/passing/rebounding hold up as well as you do.
30th among SGs Reb% wise, AstRatio 30th, 43 in TO%, and I don't like his defense against most starting SGs.
He's not awful at any of those things, but he's not good at them either.
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Does anyone know why the Ray for Mayo trade never went through? I've never heard why
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Does anyone know why the Ray for Mayo trade never went through? I've never heard why
Supposedly Mayo and his agent killed it, he was a FA after the year and I don't think we wanted him as a rental.
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Does anyone know why the Ray for Mayo trade never went through? I've never heard why
Supposedly Mayo and his agent killed it, he was a FA after the year and I don't think we wanted him as a rental.
Mayo didn't want to play in Boston.
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Does anyone know why the Ray for Mayo trade never went through? I've never heard why
Supposedly Mayo and his agent killed it, he was a FA after the year and I don't think we wanted him as a rental.
But it's not like the Celtics would've given up much in Ray Allen, who bolted this past summer for Miami.
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Does anyone know why the Ray for Mayo trade never went through? I've never heard why
Supposedly Mayo and his agent killed it, he was a FA after the year and I don't think we wanted him as a rental.
Mayo didn't want to play in Boston.
Hmmm...I thought it was up to the team whether or not the player gets traded. Unless the player has a no-trade clause.
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His rebounds, assists, shots, FTAs, ToVS, defense, 2 point fg percentage, shots at the rim, percentage at the rim etc. are all pretty much the same as when he couldn't get off the bench all that much Memphis.
The two differences is that he's shooting like Kyle Korver's best year from 3pt range this year and he's hitting more of his free throws.
Kyle Korver shot 53% hitting 1.1 a game. Mayo's doing that with 2.9 a game. That's not even close to comparable, he's already hit more than Korver did during that season. And there's a pretty huge difference in the quality of shots Korver was taking.
He'll average out some, but he's still a career 39% 3pt shooter. Would have been an almost ideal combo of explosion and lethal shooting beside Rondo. His passing would make a decent fit off the bench too alongside Bradley.
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His rebounds, assists, shots, FTAs, ToVS, defense, 2 point fg percentage, shots at the rim, percentage at the rim etc. are all pretty much the same as when he couldn't get off the bench all that much Memphis.
The two differences is that he's shooting like Kyle Korver's best year from 3pt range this year and he's hitting more of his free throws.
Kyle Korver shot 53% hitting 1.1 a game. Mayo's doing that with 2.9 a game. That's not even close to comparable, he's already hit more than Korver did during that season. And there's a pretty huge difference in the quality of shots Korver was taking.
All of which points to the coming regression.
At which point Mayo will be back to being a good scorer, not a great one.
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Does anyone know why the Ray for Mayo trade never went through? I've never heard why
Supposedly Mayo and his agent killed it, he was a FA after the year and I don't think we wanted him as a rental.
Mayo didn't want to play in Boston.
Hmmm...I thought it was up to the team whether or not the player gets traded. Unless the player has a no-trade clause.
Agents/players have a ton of power.
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His rebounds, assists, shots, FTAs, ToVS, defense, 2 point fg percentage, shots at the rim, percentage at the rim etc. are all pretty much the same as when he couldn't get off the bench all that much Memphis.
The two differences is that he's shooting like Kyle Korver's best year from 3pt range this year and he's hitting more of his free throws.
Kyle Korver shot 53% hitting 1.1 a game. Mayo's doing that with 2.9 a game. That's not even close to comparable, he's already hit more than Korver did during that season. And there's a pretty huge difference in the quality of shots Korver was taking.
All of which points to the coming regression.
At which point Mayo will be back to being a good scorer, not a great one.
How does that point to regression, and why would regression matter? Either way he's an excellent shooter and either way he's an unbelievably better scorer than Kyle Korver. And with Dirk back the quality of his shots are only going up. If he ends up with 44% shooting and at least 2 per game, that's STILL more impressive than Korver hitting 1 on 53% shooting.
All you're saying is that he used to be a good player in Memphis, not that he's not a good one now.
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All you're saying is that he used to be a good player in Memphis, not that he's not a good one now.
I never said this.
What I said was that he's been the same player in Dallas as Memphis, he's just hitting an unsustainable number of 3 point shots thus his scoring efficiency and totals have gone up.
How does that point to regression, and why would regression matter? Either way he's an excellent shooter and either way he's an unbelievably better scorer than Kyle Korver. And with Dirk back the quality of his shots are only going up. If he ends up with 44% shooting and at least 2 per game, that's STILL more impressive than Korver hitting 1 on 53% shooting.
It points to regression because he's never been as good a shooter as Korver in the past, is taking more shots, and is taking worse quality three point shots. (ie he's not just taking wide open 3s)
The volume of shots allows for regression to happen and happen more quickly than a low volume shooter and his past performance indicates his true shooting "skill" isn't 50% its 40%.
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OJ Mayo is currently shooting 52% from 3 point land. His career average is around 36%. He is NOT going to be able to keep this up. That is a completely unsustainable jump ... I don't think you could find any player in the history of the league who has jumped almost 20 percentage points in shooting efficiency in one season. Not going to happen.
His FGA per game have not increased noticeably (19 to 20). He is just on a hot stretch.
Not that he is a bad player, by any means, but the way he is playing now is not how he is going to play all season, unless we are witnessing literally a once-in-the-history-of-basketball Most Improved Player campaign.
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OJ Mayo is currently shooting 52% from 3 point land. His career average is around 36%. He is NOT going to be able to keep this up. That is a completely unsustainable jump ... I don't think you could find any player in the history of the league who has jumped almost 20 percentage points in shooting efficiency in one season. Not going to happen.
His FGA per game have not increased noticeably (19 to 20). He is just on a hot stretch.
Not that he is a bad player, by any means, but the way he is playing now is not how he is going to play all season, unless we are witnessing literally a once-in-the-history-of-basketball Most Improved Player campaign.
Translated in stats, this means he'll be making one less three per game, therefore his ppg drops from 21 to 18. So he'll basically be Paul Pierce.
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OJ Mayo is currently shooting 52% from 3 point land. His career average is around 36%. He is NOT going to be able to keep this up. That is a completely unsustainable jump ... I don't think you could find any player in the history of the league who has jumped almost 20 percentage points in shooting efficiency in one season. Not going to happen.
His FGA per game have not increased noticeably (19 to 20). He is just on a hot stretch.
Not that he is a bad player, by any means, but the way he is playing now is not how he is going to play all season, unless we are witnessing literally a once-in-the-history-of-basketball Most Improved Player campaign.
Translated in stats, this means he'll be making one less three per game, therefore his ppg drops from 21 to 18. So he'll basically be Paul Pierce.
Explain the bolded.
(If you're just saying PPG... well there's a lot more going on than that on the floor)
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OJ Mayo is currently shooting 52% from 3 point land. His career average is around 36%. He is NOT going to be able to keep this up. That is a completely unsustainable jump ... I don't think you could find any player in the history of the league who has jumped almost 20 percentage points in shooting efficiency in one season. Not going to happen.
His FGA per game have not increased noticeably (19 to 20). He is just on a hot stretch.
Not that he is a bad player, by any means, but the way he is playing now is not how he is going to play all season, unless we are witnessing literally a once-in-the-history-of-basketball Most Improved Player campaign.
Translated in stats, this means he'll be making one less three per game, therefore his ppg drops from 21 to 18. So he'll basically be Paul Pierce.
Explain the bolded.
(If you're just saying PPG... well there's a lot more going on than that on the floor)
I'm saying that he'll be statistically comparable to Paul Pierce, for what it's worth.
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OJ Mayo is a baller! Plain and simple. Memphis couldn't make it work and that's there loss. I wish we had him.
Happiness in the work place can change things. I am sure he enjoys Dallas more then Memphis. Mentally he looks like a different player out there. He is more assertive and aggressive then I have seen him since he was a rookie.
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I wonder which GM chose him in CB's 2011-12 Summer Draft.
Whoever he is, he's a genius. ;D