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Around the League => Transaction Ideas and Rumors => Topic started by: KG Living Legend on December 08, 2012, 08:29:13 PM
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Would we have to give up a first as well. Are we getting hosed with that trade. What's fair for Marcin Gortat.
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Melo is a mediocre dev league guy. Sully has some bright parts and Lee is a proven NBA player who is underperforming. I don't think they take this package.
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I wouldn't give up anymore than that.
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They would want Bradley.
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They would want Bradley.
I have a feeling that Bradley is vastly overvalued on this board compared to how other GMs view him.
He has an injury history which makes him a risk and a small sample size of performance, albeit impressive.
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No thanks..giving away too much youth
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with the game Sully's having tonight, I'd be hesitant to ship him out. would serious consider moving Bass instead
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with the game Sully's having tonight, I'd be hesitant to ship him out. would serious consider moving Bass instead
Neither Phoenix nor Cle (Verajao)want Bass. He doesn't fit into their plans. We could get a 3rd team involved and trade Bass for an expiring which would be attractive for them.
Only Atlanta {Smith) MIGHT accept Bass in a package with perhaps Lee, 2 of our youngs and a 1st.
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Bass can't be moved until Jan 15th. I was just watching these highlights of Gortat:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=252Ze6ZDnEs
I think he'd fit in really well here. You'd start him at C, move KG to his natural PF position and have Bass come off the bench. With Bradley coming back soon, it makes the most sense to offer Lee, Melo, Sully and Picks. We could get it done a week from now.
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Don't know...I'd love Gortat...there is a need for him, here. But I spent yesterday afternoon looking at a replay of our glorious win over OKC, and Sully's play in that game reminded me that he is indeed special.
Some of the plays he made...the spots he placed himself in to make those plays...his skill level ALREADY - you don't find that very often.
We may very well have our rebounding help right here in BOS. The kid pulled down nine last night vs PHI.
He may not be as good as Bass defensively RIGHT NOW, but he's learning. I watched him tie up 7'3" Hasheem Thabeet in the post in that game...he's a smart player. Much of his perceived limitations defensively and athletically will definitely be negated with his basketball IQ.
Basketball is a mental sport, and Sully is already nearing professor level, IMO.
I'm sure that if Danny chooses to trade him, he'd be doing it for a need. But I'd hope he gets fair market value for him. He's worth it. He will definitely be starting on SOMEONE's roster sooner than later, and I'd hope it's ours.
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They would want Bradley.
I have a feeling that Bradley is vastly overvalued on this board compared to how other GMs view him.
He has an injury history which makes him a risk and a small sample size of performance, albeit impressive.
What risk is there when you are going for a guy who's 21 years old, who's one of the best perimeter defenders in the league, and who is on a short $2M/2Y contract?
Even if he bumbs out totally and doesn't play a game, all you lose is $2M a year for this season and next. If he is healthy he is a game changer.
There is practicall zero risk in that kid, which is why I don't want to trade him!
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Don't know...I'd love Gortat...there is a need for him, here. But I spent yesterday afternoon looking at a replay of our glorious win over OKC, and Sully's play in that game reminded me that he is indeed special.
Some of the plays he made...the spots he placed himself in to make those plays...his skill level ALREADY - you don't find that very often.
We may very well have our rebounding help right here in BOS. The kid pulled down nine last night vs PHI.
He may not be as good as Bass defensively RIGHT NOW, but he's learning. I watched him tie up 7'3" Hasheem Thabeet in the post in that game...he's a smart player. Much of his perceived limitations defensively and athletically will definitely be negated with his basketball IQ.
Basketball is a mental sport, and Sully is already nearing professor level, IMO.
I'm sure that if Danny chooses to trade him, he'd be doing it for a need. But I'd hope he gets fair market value for him. He's worth it. He will definitely be starting on SOMEONE's roster sooner than later, and I'd hope it's ours.
I love Sully he is getting better and better each game, like Tommy was saying over the broadcast by the end of the year he's going to be really good.
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Per 36
Jared sullinger (Rookie on a cheap deal with HUUUUUGE potential for improvement)
10 points, 10 rebounds
Marcin gortat (8 million bucks, large nose)
13 points, 9 rebounds
So why are we doing this again??
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Sully is doing fine for a rookie, making a rookie salary , early in his first season plus you know Doc grins like a fat cat knowing how lucky they were to land him. I'm just not seeing Sully or AB as part of a trade for Gortat ake. Mr Potatoe head.
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DO NOT trade Sully or AB for Gortat. NO.
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Well, Gortat's stock is currently sinking at an alarming rate.
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No way any GM in his right mind would give up sully or Bradley for Gortat.
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Neither Sullinger or Fab Melo have proved enough to warrant parting with an above average starting big man like Marcin Gortat.
Nowhere near enough for Phoenix to agree to (at this point).
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No....Not for Gortat, but I am willing to give Sully away in a package for Big Al, He is the beast that will compliment KG very much, their skillsets will match perfectly and he has Celtic blood.
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Well, Gortat's stock is currently sinking at an alarming rate.
Its all his own fault...he asked to be under the mircoscope, and now the feedback is hitting home.
He would be a super nice asset for several teams , but he NOT a sure thing to win anyone a banner by a LONG shot.
Sullinger ALONE will be worth more than Gortat by the end of next season , if not this one.
AB and Sully need to stay home with Poppa Doc Rivers. :)
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Anyone else think Gortat would love it here?
He was the happiest center in the world getting his feeds from Nash. Rondo can make it just as easy on him.
I'd do that trade if the Suns would take it.
Oh and for everyone who thinks GMs want Bradley, I think Sully's trade value is quite a bit higher than Bradley right now. With every game Sully is proving he has the potential to be a starting PF in the NBA. Bradley's been out for months with an injury.
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Don't know...I'd love Gortat...there is a need for him, here. But I spent yesterday afternoon looking at a replay of our glorious win over OKC, and Sully's play in that game reminded me that he is indeed special.
Some of the plays he made...the spots he placed himself in to make those plays...his skill level ALREADY - you don't find that very often.
We may very well have our rebounding help right here in BOS. The kid pulled down nine last night vs PHI.
He may not be as good as Bass defensively RIGHT NOW, but he's learning. I watched him tie up 7'3" Hasheem Thabeet in the post in that game...he's a smart player. Much of his perceived limitations defensively and athletically will definitely be negated with his basketball IQ.
Basketball is a mental sport, and Sully is already nearing professor level, IMO.
I'm sure that if Danny chooses to trade him, he'd be doing it for a need. But I'd hope he gets fair market value for him. He's worth it. He will definitely be starting on SOMEONE's roster sooner than later, and I'd hope it's ours.
I love Sully he is getting better and better each game, like Tommy was saying over the broadcast by the end of the year he's going to be really good.
I agree Sully is solid, but I wouldn't call him special. He's a nice backup big who could eventually spend some time as a starter... like Bass, Glen Davis and several other bigs around the league. He's probably a top 10 rookie (statistically he's 10th). I like him, but I wouldn't pass up a major upgrade on some dream of Sully becoming a star.
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My question to those who want Gortat is why? We have a center. We don't need a starting center. KG is not a 4 in the current NBA. The league has changed. Lebron and Carmelo are now playing the 4. You can't start Gortat and KG. Neither can guard the new 4 spot for 30/40 mins a night.
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They would want Bradley.
I have a feeling that Bradley is vastly overvalued on this board compared to how other GMs view him.
This. Weird thing where celtics value the potential and chance he gets really good, but other teams likely to see injury prone tweener.
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They would want Bradley.
I have a feeling that Bradley is vastly overvalued on this board compared to how other GMs view him.
This. Weird thing where celtics value the potential and chance he gets really good, but other teams likely to see injury prone tweener.
Just wait -- he'll be vastly undervalued soon enough.
He's likely to need some time to adjust and probably will have a stretch of bad games when he comes back. I predict it will take 2 games (maybe 1) for there to be threads about AB being overated or trade Bradley threads.
I think Bradley will be very valuable to this team, but it will take time for him to get his offensve game back to any semblance of where it was. Remember how he looked at the beginning of last year -- I expect him to be rusty and out of synch for a while.
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My question to those who want Gortat is why? We have a center. We don't need a starting center. KG is not a 4 in the current NBA. The league has changed. Lebron and Carmelo are now playing the 4. You can't start Gortat and KG. Neither can guard the new 4 spot for 30/40 mins a night.
You could either start them both and stay on KG's quick rest schedule. Or you could play Gortat off the bench for KG. In either case you'd have some overlap, but with KG playing 29 MPG and Gortat playing 31 MPG, you only have 12 MPG where there is an overlap - I don't see that as a huge risk, and it gives you the option to be even further conservative with KGs minutes.
Then you have Bass/Wilcox/Green splitting the rest of the 36 MPG at PF. Something like Bass as the starter, Wilcox as the fourth big, and Green in small ball lineups makes sense. I think that's a superior rotation than what they have now, where Wilcox is the primary option at C behind KG, Sully & Bass are platooning, and Green is taking the small ball minutes.
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They would want Bradley.
I have a feeling that Bradley is vastly overvalued on this board compared to how other GMs view him.
This. Weird thing where celtics value the potential and chance he gets really good, but other teams likely to see injury prone tweener.
I'm somewhere in the middle there. I think maybe he ends up being really good, but more likely he ends up a rich man's Marcus Banks. He's unquestionably overvalued on this forum. I don't think you could trade Bradley straight up for a lotto pick at this point in his career.
Still... maybe he ends up being really good.
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The fact that Doc is playing Sully good minutes and getting what you need out of a back up is saying some thing.
He'll be more valuable in a couple years if he keeps improving like he has in this short season, then decide if he's some one you want on the team or in a trade package for some thing else.
I'd move Lee,Bass,Melo for Smith, and then try to pick up a swing SG/SF later on just in case Bradley or Terry don't hold up.
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you arent moving KG back to Powerforward since he isnt as effective there anymore...he is a Center at this stage just like Tim duncan is.
so if you acquire gortat it is simply to take wilcox's role playing backup center for 15-20minutes a night.
im not sure he is "the difference" or that much of an upgrade from the talent we would be shipping out to get him
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you arent moving KG back to Powerforward since he isnt as effective there anymore...he is a Center at this stage just like Tim duncan is.
so if you acquire gortat it is simply to take wilcox's role playing backup center for 15-20minutes a night.
im not sure he is "the difference" or that much of an upgrade from the talent we would be shipping out to get him
Gortat gives the C's a legit low post presence. I love KG but he gets the majority of his points 16-20 feet away from the basket anyways. A guy like Gortat would also help shore up the defense and help on the boards. Those being the most important things in getting him.
If it took trading Bradley to get him you do it. After all aren't the C's in win now mode? This is probably the last true season this core has at winning a title.
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be a steal in my eyes for us!!
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I'm eh about the deal...it's one I'd think about but clearly would prefer dealing bass instead of Jared
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am not about to trade these three for Gortat. I'd rather wait for the waiver wire to see who we can pick out. The three are now part of the rotation and will mess up our game plan ifwe acquire Gortat. Im betting Gortat will be waived this year.
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with the game Sully's having tonight, I'd be hesitant to ship him out. would serious consider moving Bass instead
Neither Phoenix nor Cle (Verajao)want Bass. He doesn't fit into their plans. We could get a 3rd team involved and trade Bass for an expiring which would be attractive for them.
Only Atlanta {Smith) MIGHT accept Bass in a package with perhaps Lee, 2 of our youngs and a 1st.
hence my reluctance to move Sully. Gortat is an ok center. so's AV. Sully shows signs of being a better offensive player than both and a better rebounder than Gortat. (AV has just such a high motor that he can be unreal on the boards at times)
I think Dalembert might be a more obtainable target and cost much less. he'd definitely provide us with what we hoped Darko would provide.