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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: celticmania on December 08, 2012, 06:42:31 PM
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Marcin Gortat or Andersen Varejao ?
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Varejao because he is a two position player (PF/C).
As a center, Varejao and Gortat are fairly even. Not much in it.
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Take Lee Bass melo And picks and give me either one.
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I love Varejao's aggression. I would prefer him if healthy. But he isn't always healthy. I'd be happy with either one. Pretty equal in my opinion.
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Varejao because he is a two position player (PF/C).
As a center, Varejao and Gortat are fairly even. Not much in it.
I agree as centers they are pretty much even but I think in "pesky-ness" and "get under your skin guy", AV is that. He is KG without the talk, AV does it with his hustle! I feel AV can take other players off their game mentally.
So to me, AV is better.
With that said, we already have an "AV" in KG and Gortat probably comes cheaper... so for our team, Gortat would be a better choice!
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Marcin Gortat or Andersen Varejao ?
I'd say they're roughly on the same tier. Neither one should be your best or second best player. Maybe third, hopefully 4th or 5th.
Which one I'd prefer would strongly depend on who else was on the team.
Example: The Heat, I'd rather have Varejao. They need his toughness and defense and scrappiness, and they don't have a scoring need.
The Celtics: We've got a scoring problem and a defense problem. Either guy would work, so its a 'whoever's cheaper' situation.
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I think that Gortat, Verajao and Josh Smith all have a very good chance to be moved by the deadline.
I'll take any of the 3 in this order: Smith, Verajao, Gortat.
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I think that Gortat, Verajao and Josh Smith all have a very good chance to be moved by the deadline.
I'll take any of the 3 in this order: Smith, Verajao, Gortat.
I agree with your order. What would you give up for them tho?
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I think that Gortat, Verajao and Josh Smith all have a very good chance to be moved by the deadline.
I'll take any of the 3 in this order: Smith, Verajao, Gortat.
Yup...me too ...in that order as well.
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I think that Gortat, Verajao and Josh Smith all have a very good chance to be moved by the deadline.
I'll take any of the 3 in this order: Smith, Verajao, Gortat.
I agree with your order. What would you give up for them tho?
Green/Bass or Green/Lee with Melo and picks for Smith for salaries to match.
Green plus Melo or Sully plus a 1st or Lee plus Melo and Sully plus a 1st for the other two.
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I think SideShow would be better for this team.
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Sideshow doesn't need the ball to score, he boards. I too, think he is the best option for us. He is pesky too and the best defender of the three. Defense and rebounds is what we need.
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This is very unlikely and maybe stupid but i'm just throwing this out there:
Celtics:
Josh Smith
Andersen Varejao
Hawks:
Avery Bradley
Jared Sullinger
Fab Melo
Brandon Bass
2013 Celtics 1st round pick
Cavaliers:
Jeff Green
John Jenkins
2015 Celtics 1st round pick
2013 Celtics 2nd round pick
2013 Hawks 2nd round pick
Celtics get Josh Smith who is another star and could put them in the elite category as a team. They also get Andersen Varejao to help on the boards.
The Hawks may do this if Josh Smith insists on a trade to Boston. They get some young talent for the future and they can help now too.
The Cavaliers want to trade Varejao. They want young talent and picks. Jeff Green would be a perfect fit there and can become a 17 and 7 guy as a starter. Irving, Waiters, Green, Thompson, Zeller looks like it can be a great line-up in a year or two.
It does seem unrealistic though.
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Varejao is one of those players you hate on the other side, we tend to think we'd love him in green, but I'm not sure.
I think Gortat will bring more offense and athleticism on the boards, something we miss. Sully could do pretty well almost all the things Varejao can.
But right now I'd rather keep this team together and try to win with them. At the deadline there'll be chances to get a good trade, and even better on draft night. There's no hurry for the Cs, our assets stock is low right now. Wait till their value is high and then MAYBE we'll see a trade.
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This is very unlikely and maybe stupid but i'm just throwing this out there:
Celtics:
Josh Smith
Andersen Varejao
Hawks:
Avery Bradley
Jared Sullinger
Fab Melo
Brandon Bass
2013 Celtics 1st round pick
Cavaliers:
Jeff Green
John Jenkins
2015 Celtics 1st round pick
2013 Celtics 2nd round pick
2013 Hawks 2nd round pick
Celtics get Josh Smith who is another star and could put them in the elite category as a team. They also get Andersen Varejao to help on the boards.
The Hawks may do this if Josh Smith insists on a trade to Boston. They get some young talent for the future and they can help now too.
The Cavaliers want to trade Varejao. They want young talent and picks. Jeff Green would be a perfect fit there and can become a 17 and 7 guy as a starter. Irving, Waiters, Green, Thompson, Zeller looks like it can be a great line-up in a year or two.
It does seem unrealistic though.
What's our starting lineup after that trade?
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This year, it's Andy Varejao, by a mile. He's been playing at an All-Star level. Best center in the East, ahead of Joakim Noah, Tyson Chandler, and Al Horford.
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This year, it's Andy Varejao, by a mile. He's been playing at an All-Star level. Best center in the East, ahead of Joakim Noah, Tyson Chandler, and Al Horford.
This guy knows whats up. check out his stats this year:
http://www.thenbageek.com/players/55-anderson-varejao
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/v/varejan01.html
He is off the charts. He has a .340 WP/48 (better than Kevin Durant and Lebron) with 4.9 Wins produced. Only KD has produced more wins but that's because he plays more minutes. He's averaging 20 Reb/48. That's insane. One thing to note is that Tyson Chandler is playing very slightly better, with a WP/48 of .354, but they are very close, and AV plays more minutes.
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Definitely on the same tier but I think I'd go with Gortat. KG already brings pretty much everything Varejao does. Yes he'd provide more rebounding, but if we had 4 above average rebounders in KG, Gortat, Wilcox, and Sullinger that wouldn't be a problem.
Varejao excels at picking up hustle baskets but Gortat is a significantly better offensive player. Gortat does more things on the court than Varejao, whereas Varejao is elite at things that Gortat can do anyway (rebounding, help defense).
Although this is one of those cases where we wouldn't know unless we saw both, the way our team is constructed I'd lean toward the interior presence (especially since we don't have one) and the better rim protector/shot blocker.
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This is very unlikely and maybe stupid but i'm just throwing this out there:
Celtics:
Josh Smith
Andersen Varejao
Hawks:
Avery Bradley
Jared Sullinger
Fab Melo
Brandon Bass
2013 Celtics 1st round pick
Cavaliers:
Jeff Green
John Jenkins
2015 Celtics 1st round pick
2013 Celtics 2nd round pick
2013 Hawks 2nd round pick
Celtics get Josh Smith who is another star and could put them in the elite category as a team. They also get Andersen Varejao to help on the boards.
The Hawks may do this if Josh Smith insists on a trade to Boston. They get some young talent for the future and they can help now too.
The Cavaliers want to trade Varejao. They want young talent and picks. Jeff Green would be a perfect fit there and can become a 17 and 7 guy as a starter. Irving, Waiters, Green, Thompson, Zeller looks like it can be a great line-up in a year or two.
It does seem unrealistic though.
What's our starting lineup after that trade?
We could sign Donte Greene and Chris Andersen
starters:
Rajon Rondo
Courtney Lee
Paul Pierce
Josh Smith
Kevin Garnett
2nd unit:
Leandro Barbosa
Jason Terry
Donte Greene
Chris Wicox
Anderson Varejao
OR
starters:
Rajon Rondo
Paul Pierce
Josh Smith
Kevin Garnett
Andersen Varejao
2nd unit:
Leandro Barbosa
Jason Terry
Courtney Lee
Chris Wilcox
Chris Andersen
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We could sign Donte Greene and Chris Andersen
I think Danny Ainge should sign those two players anyway.
Use Darko's vacated spot for Chris Andersen and waive Kris Joseph to sign Donte Greene. The team needs another big wing with legitimate size who can defend his position. Greene offers that. A good third string combo forward who can also play some two if necessary. Nice utility player. Chris Andersen would become the team's main backup center. Jason Collins would remain as third string for when playing against a more physically imposing opponent. Wilcox and Sully would duke it out for the power forward minutes behind Bass.
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i like the offensive spirit wilcox brings to the table
we still need the other half of the equation